The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:14 pm Wait, no. Reapers had the kill and only one member left. Nobody should be silenced unless a Reaper autopsy was forged.

Why are you so sure? Matriarch Benizia is the silencer and that role is not dead.

Baddie on a Team With A Seemer 101: make everyone think the false flip has been used already.

Imma kick it old school and vote for Jack. I care about being right, not about how I look.

*VOTING JACK O'H

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:51 pm I never thought dizzy was town, i had them in a null spot, right above the three people i suspected most

It was a position i was not against or for, but wouldve rather gotten someone else.


Later,
Once CaptainNifty and I had this exchange:

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:00 pm

CaptainNifty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:07 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:42 am I'm still not seeing eye to eye on why you all vote Dyslexicon, I'm sticking to my guns on this one

VOTE JACKOFHEARTS

It's mostly about DOE, and Dyslexicon is a better choice than you or SVS as far as I'm concerned. Also, Dyslexicon comes onto the thread after being relatively quiet for a while, and starts accusing people who have been all but cleared.

that.....makes sense actually.

alright then.

It started to make more sense and i felt better about the lynch going through (besides the obvious fact that i was getting nowhere pushing my views)


Jack, i cant claim to be "the best player on HCRealms" like you can (well mostly because i've never played there, but this is just an example), the way you've played this whole game has rubbed me the wrong way. Which i know i mentioned earlier as well. Maybe this is due to me never having really played with you? Who knows. Perhaps i made myself too tunnel-sighted earlier and that really was my main goal was to get the distraction out of my face.

This is exactly how I feel re Jack. I have this whole paranoia Seemer based theory about him. The day I was almost lynched, I fully expected to falsely flip bad. But I didn't care because I was tired of butting my head into a wall. The more I look back on it the more I think Nutella and Jack are Cerberus based on their attitudes that day, although I thought the opposite at that time. And none of this, "oh but he was instrumental in lynching x" wifom bullshit.

@Marmot,. Dont just read one person; for perspective read sprit as well. Especially someone who tells you all the perspective you need can be gained from him. Lol.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:36 pm Alright, I'm down.

VOTE ADAM/MARMOT

Why?

Fredwood wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:58 am However, what are the benefits of Cerberus masking someone Reaper? I can see Cerberus masking town as Cerberus, or maybe masking one of their own Reaper, but town would make more sense. Still, doens't make sense that they wouldn't use her most powerful abilities.

The best use of a Seemer role is to make one of their own look civvie when flipped. It generally totally freaks the game out. If I had a Seemer power the only way I would use to make anyone other than a teammate look anything it would be if I managed to mislynch a civ who was hounding me, I would make them flip bad.

And I don't really think Dizzy was hounding anyone to the extent that they would have used it on her.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Quick cultural question; do you HCR folks mainly use others interactions with oneself to judge the actions of others?

Only players who think really highly of themselves.

OK

Cause you did it , SIlver did it and now Dizzy is doing it. People who suspect them shoot up to their suspect list. And now that I stopped actively talking about you, I seem to have dropped off of your list. For us that is somewhat of a baddie tell in general, but it could be a cultural thing, which is why I asked.

Gonna join you in a *Vote for Dizzy* since Easter festivities are now commencing at Chez SVS, and not sure what is going to happen with the update this PM (probably nothing, I am sure it will go smoothly) I wanted to get a vote in just in case.

Quick cultural question; do you HCR folks mainly use others interactions with oneself to judge the actions of others?

sprityo wrote:SVS, who did you target last night?

I pulled a vote off of someone. I would rather not say who if you don't mind.

No no effects. I chose to add votes to Silver and Jack as I suspected them the first two nights. Night three I could not target Jack two nights in a row and Silver was dead, so I removed a vote from Wilgy as I felt movement in his direction.

So I cannot be confirmed by results, but I am who I am nevertheless.

Actually I full claimed it the post right before yours.

CaptainNifty wrote:

sprityo wrote:real quick, who all has claimed what?

nut is claiming Chambers
nifty is Anderson
Fred is Joker
MP claims Legion
sprit claims Tali

Jack may have hinted, but I think I missed it.

I did. Kelly.

Sorry to see you go, Wilgy

You too Tony. I am sorry but I kind of did suspect you, perhaps you are generally a blendy player?

sprityo wrote:looks at who is voting dyslexicon

Hmm.

Who do you think we should vote for? I have restrained myself from instavoting Jack (which isn't to say I might not vote him at the end of day) but Ihad intended on rereading Tony (which goes to show how appalling my reads could be on people whose game is new to me, another reason I did not instavote) and Dizzy. So tellme why I should not vote for Dizzy.

sprityo wrote:Normally I try to be in here for day starts but I'll be preoccupied with the lion king mafia most likely (figuring we get enough people for the burglary)

Day here starts in a few hours, and the Lion King starts tomorrow.

I choose to call it persistence and tenacity, my friend.

Who should I put my extra vote on tonight, Jack?

DrWilgy wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:SVS, I need to know what you did to me last night.

Well, I will be role outing, but I mostly did anyhow, so OK.

I took a vote off of you in the poll. It looked to me like you were headed for a lynch, and I could not add one to Jack since I had done so the night before and double targeting.

M'k

I believe you. You are town.

I know.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Uuuuuuugh.

SVS, you better be town. We could so afford to keep LC around.

How do you figure? His role literally says he must be the last man standing to win. Right?

His role also says he has a 60% chance to kill every third night and has no buddies.

I'd have rather lynched any other baddie or neutral.

Why do you think keeping a killer alive is preferable?

DrWilgy wrote:SVS, I need to know what you did to me last night.

Well, I will be role outing, but I mostly did anyhow, so OK.

I took a vote off of you in the poll. It looked to me like you were headed for a lynch, and I could not add one to Jack since I had done so the night before and double targeting.

Fred, no!

I don't feel overwhelmed, Fred, I honestly don't understand your process becasue you play very differently to me. This is neither your fault nor mine.

I would like to understand better, and I hope you would too. Most of us come from a culture where you got MODKILLED for role claiming. Literally. So we developed ways to play that did not include hints, info drops, claims, any of it. Any form of info. We ostracized people for saying things like, "I roleblocked so and so and there was no kill", or, again, they were mod killed. So your way of doing things is very different for some of us.

It's a learning curve. Some of us loved doing new things. Me, I still avoid games where there is a lot of info, but I guess it is a cultural thing too.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm digging into LC's ISO now and I'm not really seeing where his vote for S~V~S is coming from. What's up with that? Anyone else know what's going on here?

He's been trying to point suspicion in my direction the whole game, making little feints at me. It's part of why I think he's bad; that is his big tell for me, little under the radar jabs. When he's good he's owns up to it, when he's bad he backs down.

And I will move my vote, MP, you had better come post!

*Voting LC*

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Fredwood wrote:
I haven't sheeped...I said, I'll vote for MP, IR, LC, and SVS unless someone changes my mind on them. Your defense hasn't swayed me, so then it reverts to meta assessment...I have no meta assessment. Long Con has been active and also have given no reason for me not to lynch him. So it makes sense from a play standpoint that you lynch the active that hasn't given you anything over the inactive that haven't given you anything.

But I have nearly 200 posts. And while I haven't given much, to say I haven't given "anything" is just a bit insulting and just not true. I'm trying my best with this game while I'm here; that much should be evident. I have interaction with a flipped member of one scum faction. So I just don't understand how you can then have no opinion of me whatsoever.

This^^

Maybe part of the problem I am having is that you, Fred, are a thread leader and are steering the thread quite a bit. But I absolutely do not understand how you are coming to the conclusions you're coming to. It's a culture thing, not a you thing. But it is still blocking my understanding to some extent.

Sometimes lynching a townie is a good thing becasue it leaves tons of evidence. Not in the votes (for instance see Tonys; he voted for me having never once mentioned me in the entire game, and as soon as I started posting, he pulled it off me without a post to that effect) or Jacks entire incredibly baddie reaction to suspicion the entire game. Seriously, so bad. And now if someone else starts pointing a finger at him, are they bad, too?

Here is my rainbow. I love you MP, but really I am OK.

sprityo
DrWilgy
MovingPictures07

Adam
CaptainNifty
Epignosis
Fredwood
Immortal_Raven
nutella

TonyStarkPrime

Dyslexicon
Jackofhearts2005
Long Con

OK, there's my rainbow. There is no order to the middle people, Just alphabetical.

I think Jack is bad for the multiple reasons enumerated the first 2 days, and his continuous OMGUS tactic every time I mentioned it was hilarious. I was having fun waiting to see how high he could dial up the faux outrage every time I voted for him. I think Dizzy is bad cause she is looking very opportunistic to me as well as fairly blendy which is something I would not associate with Dizzy. LC is reading off the charts bad to me, like old days LC. He is making little pokey remarks like textbook bad LC, that when called on them, pulls back and pretends he meant nothing by it. So bad.

Tony is in a tier of his own for the post when he voted for me, and lack of same when he unvoted me:

TonyStarkPrime wrote:I endorse the SVS lynch.

Never mentioned me before. Now THIS looks opportunistic! But this is the first time he hit my radar, so I don't want to do the whole OMGUS thing myself, so he floats between bad and ambiguous. And THEN he moved the vote off me when I started doing drama death post crap. But, still supercallifragilisticexpiallaopportunistic, amirite?

I am conflicted on Nutella, I thought she had to be bad, but then when she got gloaty about me self voting, when that was a clear signal to anyone who knows me or has played a game with me where I was mislynched ... that made me think she is probably just very seriously misguided and all glowy with how she caught evil SVS. I think Fred is probably not bad, just arrogant (<3 no offense meant, I mean in game ways). But he is not confirmed as far as I am concerned.

MovingPictures07 wrote:CFD Long Con. Let's do this. I know I'm not bad. I'm feeling very confident S~V~S isn't. I have no real read on LC, but might as well take a chance elsewhere.

I am not really having fun, MP. I feel like I am useless and like the way I play has little meaning in this set up.Plus I really think I am just a distraction for the town at this point. I don't understand how or why people are being cleared when there is no reason to clear them.

I am lost.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Guys, S~V~S isn't bad.

S~V~S, move your vote.

No, please. I am OK, I want to go. I don't want to be pressured to role claim, not my thing. I am having a bit of culture shock I think. I will just be a distraction becasue I am so sure Jack is bad, people will blow me off, that will make me feel more bad.

I think the town will learn more from my death.

Tony you opportunistic devil, you moved your vote again! Why?

Wilgy has seen me fall on my sword before, he'll understand. Although I gotta say, you clear people too easily, Fred.

Lynch LC tomorrow. Although I really would rather you lynch Jack

Please don't. I am writing a massive predeath post.

Fredwood wrote:

Fredwood wrote:

TonyStarkPrime wrote:Wilgy says Hi and this is his message:

Now that everyone knows my personal life, the best order for POE lynching is probably as follows:
MP, IR, SVS, LC, and go from there.
That is to safely remove unknowns from the game. We only have 4 days until NK's catch up with confirmed civs and then it's back to figuring shit out.

I'm cool with any of them, it's all POE based, SVS was my choice because I figured she would actually have time to defend themselves. Switching to MP is just as cool for me, I don't have anything solid on any of them.

EWIOP, I figured she would actually have time to defend themselves and was the only one that I had a reading on.

What's the point of playing a game like this is if you have to role claim? The hint I gave this AM pretty much spits it out, if you all can figure out that people are cleared solely based on who they voted for, then you can figure out "I am a civ role that can help or hurt, I targeted Silver & Jack negatively but it didn't make any difference, and I targeted Wilgy positively but doubt it will make a difference at the end of the day" without me having to spell it out for you.

And what possible reading can you have on me? That I don't play the same as you and therefore are best gotten rid of?? You certainly can't have a bad read on me.

But know this~ whether you lynch me or not, I will continue to play my game as I play it. I think differently than most people, so I play that way, too.

And yeah running out of meetings to phone post in the ladies room isn't ideal, lol.

Long Con wrote:The thing is, Jack, I don't think S~V~S is prone to tunnelling like this without good reason. This assuredness in her suspicion of you smells like something more.

Back to that pesky missing Night 1 kill... her behaviour toward you matches what I believe we'd see from her if her Mafia team tried and failed to kill you.

No it doesn't and you know it. What game did I act like that when I was bad and had a missed kill. When did I act like that when I was bad under ANY circumstances? Pffft. Why would I try to kill him when all I did was talk incessantly about how bad I thought he was?

At this point I kind of want to be lynched, becasue I think I am a distraction at this point. But I also don't want people to vote for me unless they really think I am actually bad. Especially Syndicate people who know how I play. I am totally a tone reader, and I go on gut. ANd it works for me.

In any case, back to meetings

Basically I am taking votes for the way I play, which is different than most. Fred doesn't like it. At least that's how I see it.

I know we talked about a baddie who was NKed by his own team for the WIFOM, but I don't recall ever saying it was LC, or did I miss that post? Possible.

In any case meetings today so I am not likely to be around. It won't break my heart if I come back dead.

nutella wrote:And I'm happy to put a vote on SVS for now as well. Her response could be enlightening.

I just looked through your posts. Response to what? Taking votes?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Welcome to the world of four to five confirmed townies.

Is this where I am supposed to info dump on myself like others did? This is so not something I am used to doing.

I have a civ role that can either help or hurt a person. I targeted Silver and Jack negatively, although it did not make a difference in either case. I targeted Wilgy positively, and I am gonna guess it is not going to make a difference.

Now Nutella, if you really are civ, you need to recall what you know of my civ game and what you know of my bad, since you are the only home town person who thinks I am bad.

Think about this

Apparently I have something to respond to. I am in bed on phone, will look for it in a bit.

Fredwood wrote:And he's not getting lynched today.

Why are you not a null to bad read? What have you done other then suspect people who are either cleared, or likely cleared?

And really...it's process of elimination...don't act like it's not a valid thing to pursue, that's the wrong tact to take. You've done nothing harmful to either side, and there's nothing you've done pro-town. While it doesn't mean scum, it also means I can't clear you either.

RIght now there are 4 people that I'm comfortable with, Jack isn't in that list, but he's pretty close to it, you're no where near it. You constantly saying he's Bad, with no real argument other then He's bad...other people think so too, isn't really helping your case TBH.

You may think they are cleared, I do not. I feel that your standards for "clearing" are lower than mine. I have seen baddies that NK their own teammates and who fight to the death in thread to lynch each other so the survivor can sail on the cred.

I would not put anything past some people I know, and not knowing most of the HCR folk, I will work on the assumption that they are equally capable of high shenanigans.

Why am I a null to bad read? Why does someone have to distance themselves from a faction to be good?

And I am sorry you are tired of it, but I think he is bad and so I plan on continuing to bring it up.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Err alignment indicative.

There used to be someone who played here, Kate, who retired from Mafia. She could ALWAYS pull me out of a hat when bad. When she finally told me why, it was pretty basic. It was smilies and typos. When I was civ, I just typed and posted to get my thoughts out into the thread. When I was bad, I crafted that post. I proofed it and I put the approporiate smilies in the appropriate places.

She said she did not have to even read what I said, she just saw all the smilies and she knew.

So things like that can be alignment indicative. They aren't always for everyone, or even for most people. but they can be for some people.

True.

I should say I expect gifs from Dizzy are not alignment indicative. I've never played with scum Dizzy, though, so take that with a grain of salt.

Here is part of that conversation from Day two, I had forgotten it was with Jack

Someone else was involved in it as well, Fredwood.

Long Con wrote:

S~V~S wrote: I am conflicted on Dizzy. I thought her voting pattern yesterday was a bad look for her yesterday. I also found it intriguing that her gif quotient was low until someone brought it up.

DID someone bring it up? That's what I was referencing here...

Long Con wrote:Happy birthday, Dizzy. Maybe I'm just paranoid, but Jack's post gave me a "distancing" feel. It's not actually based on anything but that post, and your incredulity about it makes me doubt it a little. But, hey, "Mafia"...amirite? Any deception is possible. There is something else I noticed about your latest posts, but I'm a-keepin' it under wraps for now.

... that's what I noticed. I did not notice someone bring it up though. Maybe I told you in our baddie BTSC? KIDDING!

But, in all seriousness, I did look back over my Jack suspicions, and:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Typed out a response to LC but you know what? I'm gonna save it to my notes app. I'm not getting lynched today and I don't need to argue myself into getting nightkilled.

This was not inspirational to me.

I believe Jack is probably bad. You can go through my posts to the several times I mentioned some suspicion if you like. Looking at them all together just made me go with trusting my gut. My gut has been not too bad lately.

My vote is on Epignosis right now, and I'd vote Wilgy even though he's silenced because I'm badass like that... but if those guys squirm away this lynch, you can count on my Jack vote.

Someone put in their "everyones meta on day one" post that Dizzy liked cat gifs. At some point, I asked if that had any bearing on her alignment. Someone else may have, too, I don't recall. There was some discussion that it was not alignment indicative, and then she started posting more with them. If someone mentioned it again I am not aware of it.

And, yeah, LOTS of people have said at some time that they think he is bad, but meh. So this is a big part of the reason I keep coming in all drama like and voting for him. Almost everyone has said they think he could be bad, but nobody seems to care, lol.

And I assume Wilgy has voted me again as part of a signalling plan. @Wilgy, I am not sure if my target is told what I did, I would think not. So I did not say, preferring not to total claim, just saying that I did a positive thing for you. I would rather not just full claim if avoidable.

~Moving *HIS* vote around.~

*fixed

sprityo wrote:

Long Con wrote:Wilgy: why S~V~S?
Nifty - Because she's after Jack
DrWilgy - YOU GUYS MESSED UP ONE OF MY ANSWERS!!
Epi - There's evidence she's a Reaper
Fred - There's evidence she's Cerberus
I_R - I just have a gut feeling, that's all
Jack - Because I have info on her
LC - I don't like this cool communication game
MP07 - It's S~V~S' voting patterns
S~V~S - It's about who S~V~S isn't talking about
sprit - she's too smelly
TonyStarkPrime - none of the above

What are these words next to my name?

LC is trying to get Wilgy to say he suspects me by him moving my vote around from person to person. LC lost interest in this endeavor when I showed up and said why I thought Wilgy may have voted for me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@SVS

Have it your way.

Lynching uncooperative Silver with his bullshit nonarguments and nonhunting worked out great. Lynching uncooperative Epi, Dizzy and SVS looks fine to me.

Ya'll are dead in the water anyway with four, maybe five confirmed townies.

How am I uncooperative other than in my desire to lynch you? I am helping the town at night, and I am trying to play a fair game, which is a town attribute, like in not desiring to lynch you yesterday when it appeared you may have been silenced. Town does not all have to act the same and still be town.

What is your case on Dizzy? I will go read back on your posts. I wonder if you see the same thing I see.

I plan to vote for you and ask others to review their thoughts on you every day, since I have seen nothing to change my mind about you being bad.

In any case, I have no intention on getting into a back and forth on it with you. Read my posts. It's there.

You No U-ing me and retaliation voting for me when you have no case other than "Wah, she's tunnelling me" is not helping you.

I said it days ago why I thought you were bad, and nothing has changed. I still think you are bad. LOTS of people seem to think you are bad, but you are still here, as I say. This is how I play. Something catches my eye, I watch that person, (or person since I felt the same about Silver), say my piece and occasionally poke them with a stick. I have nothing new to add.

I have thought you were bad from the get go, and still do.

My main point here is that I would like everyone ELSE to reexamine their thoughts on you, since in reading back, pretty mcuh everyone alive has suspected you at some point, and both the night one and two NKs suspected you ALOT.

So everyone, reexamine your thoughts on Jack. He bad.

Linki~ What does "pretend to know I am town" mean in this context? I am conflicted on Dizzy. I thought her voting pattern yesterday was a bad look for her yesterday. I also found it intriguing that her gif quotient was low until someone brought it up.

But since I believe that the major function of bad teams is WIFOM, I won't discount anything based on the actions of others.

That might be the answer.

Ah Wilgy has now voted for IR ... who voted for the Host option?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I mean, if we're supposed to role claim I will if I have to.

And Jack, if I think you are bad, why wouldn't I keep voting for you?

I don't think you think I'm bad.

I was instrumental in lynching one member of each mafia. You've refused to say why you think I'm bad.

I think you're just lying.

I do think you are bad, and I am not lying.

/unconvinced

To what end do you continue your ill defined solo crusade against me if you are town?

I can't think of a reason.

BECAUSE I THINK YOU ARE BAD

And almost everyone else has said they think you are too at one point or another. So why are you still here?

Long Con wrote:Exciting! Role claims are juicy for sure.

Wilgy answered Nifty-no to the info question though, so I dunno. I'm actually done for now, I have to go and get dressed and do farm chores and start being productive. I hope someone else can engage with Wilgy and get some answers. Not at the expense of regular thread conversation, of course. Doesn't have to be Wilgy Day.

Well, that would be the only reason I could think for him having a negative opinion of me. I did in fact target Wilgy last night. But it was not harmful or silencing or anything of a bad nature.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I mean, if we're supposed to role claim I will if I have to.

And Jack, if I think you are bad, why wouldn't I keep voting for you?

I don't think you think I'm bad.

I was instrumental in lynching one member of each mafia. You've refused to say why you think I'm bad.

I think you're just lying.

I do think you are bad, and I am not lying.

CaptainNifty wrote:So wilgy doesn't have info on SVS

Not that I am bad, no. I did target him last night, so he might know that. But i did not do anything bad to him, it was actually good. I did not silence him. I helped him at the end of the day.

I mean, if we're supposed to role claim I will if I have to.

And Jack, if I think you are bad, why wouldn't I keep voting for you?

That would be a lie if he says he does. And after I tried to help him last night

nutella wrote:Cool no death!

Now I need to sort out my thoughts for this lynch Several players I'm iffy on (Nifty, Wilgy, Jack, SVS) but nothing really confident.

I could agree with you on Jack. I think almost everyone has said they suspect him, yet he's still here. Sort your feeling on me fast, I am civ.

Show of hands~ does ANYONE think Jack is a civ?

Also Wilgy why you vote for me?

And i have no clue what Epis list means, and I echo LCs question there, how does being enigmatic help the civs?

I am voting for Jack.

*Voting Jack*