The Syndicate

Voted for the double lynch.

Yah, he was both annoyed by Rico and was not paying attention, so very possibly killed him, at least that is the reasoning where I am in the thread right now. It makes sense to me because Rico was an awesome distraction from a baddie perspective.

Is this not the case? Or did the reasoning change?

Sorry everyone, I got stuck in Connecticut without a laptop, and I refuse to Mafia on phone.

I won't pretend to be totally caught up, but I am caught up enough to get the gist of the case on Llama and it makes sense. So I *voted for Llama* and will get caught back up tonight.

EBWOP, also skimmed LC vs Epi,and meh. I have seen them do this before, and I have done it with both of them myself. It did nit tell me much I already don't know about either of them.

Happy Fathers Day, you two (and all the other daddies and I hope G Mans kids have stopped puking)!

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:53 am I actually feel better about my G-Man suspicion so I'm putting my vote there.

Also I think SVS was wrong about the person who want(ed) to be lynched.

Maybe. I think what he said and what he did were very different. At the time it was happening, Wilgys lynch (and this is who you mean?), him putting up Satan-like avatars, and some of the stuff he was saying, I thought he wanted to by lynched. But maybe he wanted people to THINK he wanted to be lynched so they would NOT lynch him (triple WIFOM deluxe with cheese)? He sounded pretty OK with it in his PMs, but it's hard to say. When I go over it, I can come to either conclusion.

His role reveal (which he told me would lead to understanding) actually did the opposite. His role would be the one that could be an info role, an actual Detective, based on the film. But one of the names he gave me as bad was the name of someone I trust. Another name was G Man, who, based on his role, was probably not bad imo. So I do not think he was an info role~ so not sure what there was to learn there or if I am just being hugely obtuse (which is super possible) and Wilgy is screaming at his screen how dopey I am.

So I very much want to see role flips, and hopefully the flips of those who have already died.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:34 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:34 am Now look what you have doooone
All my family is goooone

Oh yeah, that thing. I haven't seen Blue Velvet, but someone (RIP G-Man?) mentioned a roleclaim in this. Are you roleclaiming a daughter whose parents have both been killed in this game? It's right over my head, because I don't know the characters.

There is a teenage girl in the film, Sandy. In the film both her parents are alive. In this game, they are not (Wilgy and G Man were Det & Mrs Williams). It was a good film, it broke ground for some things that are commonplace in film now. I don't know that you would have Tarantino in his current form without Blue Velvet breaking some ground. It's a tiny bit dated, but it is very unique. You should try it.

*voted Alignment Reveal*

timmer wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:13 pm I'm leaving Rico as my default vote for today, but only for the moment.

@LC, other than Epig, where are your thoughts? What do you think of G-Man and his self-vote? Would a bad G do that? And you had trusted Dys earlier in the game, does his vote on G sway you there?

I'm unsure of what the actual case is on G-Man, so I'm trying to figure out the votes on him and whether he would self-vote and bail as a baddie.

The main reason I have suspected G Man is that he keeps putting off. He reminds me of how he was in BSG when we were teammates and he kept putting off. IIRC his vomiting kid was actually brought up then too. But kids do get sick, so meh. But if he wants to go, he wants to go.

I have not seen Epi as particularly bad, but will read the case on him in the next hour.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:32 pm Are you lynching Ricochet because you believe he's bad and you need him dead to win, or are you lynching Ricochet because he is being annoying?

I am not sure. I put a pressure vote on him and he just No Ued me. As he has done to everyone.

I don't know if he's bad or not. He is not acting like a civ. Poppy is willfully disruptive. If you think he is civ, and others do too then we can agree to ignore Poppy until Poppy respects the rest of us and either stops or indicates that Poppy has no choice but to post in this bizarre way.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:11 pm there's technically no rules against me having btsc with alive players



At least.....I think so

Hush Dead Guy

Whatever. You are choosing to do this, then. Gotcha. And I did what Wilgy wanted me to do. Don't you try to imply otherwise

Rico, never once have you implied you are being forced to do this. If you are being forced to do this by a game mechanic, I will move my vote. I can also happily vote for G Man at this juncture becasue he reminds me totally of his bad game in BSG; calling irl, promising things that never happen, etc.

But I need you to tell me you have no choice here and you are being MADE to post in POPPY.

lol

This is a choice you are making.

Hope it works out Dizzy

Here is the one of the worlds top ten cutest gifs to send you cheer!

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:30 pm

BUT POPPY! THE OTHERS SEEM SO CONTENT TO LOSE FURTHER CIV NUMBERS BY LYNCHING A CIVVIE AS PURE AS YOU... WHO ELSE BUT WOLFIES WOULD EMBRACE SUCH A MENTALITY? THEY EVEN KILLED THE ONE GUY WHO SAID HE'S THROUGH THINKING ABOUT POPPY! HOW CAN WE ENLIGHTEN THE REAL OTHER CIVS ON THIS PREDICAMENT?

You seem to think everyones game strategy revolves around you.

Newsflash, Poppy. It doesn't. You have my vote for now. I am doing the read back I mentioned tonight, hopefully I will get some insight, but wading through all the "POPPY POPPY POPPy" crap is giving me a hell of a headache. I want to win, but I want to have some fun too

I'm poppied out. *Voted*

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:33 pm Not doin it

no

Ditto.

Sloonei, you appear to be applying generic Mafia thoughts rather than specific thoughts regarding this game in particular. You come in, critique other peoples thoughts, but don't really add your own. In a night protection poll, baddies could and would use this to kiss up to people. Or to make a point, as I did, that I would like G Man to live another day so he could make some G Man type posts. *hint hint*. If I recall, your home site did nto do night polls. At times night polls are pointless, but in general, we take them fairly seriously, and use them strategically becasue we know they will be picked apart.

Re Rico, look at his last post; Rico is presuming that anyone voting for him is a wolf. He's phoning it in. It does not make him bad, but it does make him a distraction, which the baddies most likely love.

Role play can be charming and funny, but this is unrelated to the theme, and multiple people have asked him to stop it. He appears to be hiding behind it.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:28 amWazzup?

Not much apparently. Bye Sprit.

I am not going to mutiny, it will be more interesting to watch the effects on someone else

I am going to reread Day zero/one. I felt pretty good about Dizzy, and want to make sure I still do and want to look again at peoples reasons for voting her. Same goes for Nutella. She seems fairly average Nutella who always seems shady but isn't. I was fairly focused on her and her bad partner in the crossover game, and think I have a fairly good feel for her current bad game, and I am not sure I see it here, but I want to take a second look.

She was pretty opportunistic there, and picked up and dropped suspicions regardless of logic.

I am also going to look back over some of the things Wilgy said to me.

But... what if POPPY came up with a suspicion not related to someone saying POPPY was annoying? Becasue she is mega annoying

Look Rico, Wilgy changed his avatar to a Devil and never tried to seriously counter me. He told me he had no affiliation, and he died with no affiliation. Personally I am hoping he comes back becasue if he was telling me the truth, I think he will come back civ. He said if he was NKed he would join the baddies, so I think if he was lynched maybe he will join the civvies. Or maybe he just got a civ win con. Or something, it's Wilgy who knows what his motivations were. I think he derived some benefit from this or he would not have acted as he did. When he changed that avatar, it oddly made me feel both better about him AND about lynching him. I think I did what he wanted, and I think it was a good thing.

Plus this is INH, he WILL push the mechanics envelope whether you think it is broken or not. Have you ever played an INH game?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:46 am P O P P Y I'm Poppy!
P O P P Y I'm Poppy!
P O P P Y I'm Poppy!
P O P P Y That's me!

Who's gonna protect meeee
Now that I lost dad-dyyyy
Who will my saviour beeee
Why won't you love me?

While Rico may be lovable and worth protecting <3 , Poppy is just freaking annoying. She just skates through the game hissing at anyone who dares to say anything about her. A flowery No U is still a No U, amirite? That might have something to do with it

Rico, 2 thumbs up. P O P P Y? Not so much.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:09 pm You say lurking, I say catching up on eleven pages of stuff I hadn't read yet...

Re:LC - his vague description of his role pm sounds similar to my own. At some point someone said they this was a LMS game and I was operating under that impression, so I missed the fact that this wasn't the case too despite reading my role pm. I believe him.

Clearly Epi thinks or thought that dyslexicon and LC were teammates but I find it unlikely since I think LC is being truthful about the way things went down.

No one has talked to me, unsurprisingly, and I have talked to no one. Guess I'm at a disadvantage. Whatever man. I asked to be replaced but there is no one currently so I'm going to try.

Only one person contacted me and I think that was more to get a feel for me than anything else (until Wilgy) and I have not contacted anyone. Now that I have a better feel for the thread I might today. Or not. I dislike the way open BTS games can sometimes be played in the chatroom rather than the thread, and it's easier to be manipulated in one on one settings. I think there is a lot of deal making going on behind the scenes but keep in mind that not everyone is doing it, so keeping yourself pure, so to speak,might be an advantage since you are less likely to be manipulated.

I am surprised that DH & Speeddog have voted to protect their number one suspect. If you think she's bad, who do you think she needs to be protected from?

Voting the mysterious Mutiny for 2 since that seems to be the thing to do, and voting to protect G Man becasue I am looking forward to hearing more of his insight.

And thanks for votes~ I don't know that I did any good, while Wilgy came up with no affiliation, his role is one I would expect to see as a civvie. But he also baddie camped it up in the thread, so hard to say what happened there. I would like to talk about it, though, since he told me who his suspects were, and while I have reason to disagree with at least one of them, at first I thought it was misdirection but maybe not.

He did seem to want to be lynched there at the end, so maybe he will be back.

Aw, I wanted to post this one:

DH's Friendship with Chuck:

OK, what he told me was that he was an Indy with no win condition. He asked if I was bad, and told me that if the baddies targeted him, he would join the baddie team. And if I was a baddie, to NK him so he could become a baddie.

Now he appears to have been lynched without an affiliation, so I am going to assume he was being truthful about that and he actually thought I was bad.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:14 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:11 pm Again, you don't know what he said to me. If it is true, he is not good for the town.

what if it's not true?

I have no idea why he would lie about this. And the way he reacted to me going right to the thread did not lead me to think it was not true.

I feel surest about a lynch of Wilgy today. Just like you feel surest about Nutella, although I am not sure I agree with you. This is based on what he said to me, and then how he reacted and what he said after I put it to the thread.

I will happily talk about what he said to me when he is gone, and indeed, I have already told one person.

Again, you don't know what he said to me. If it is true, he is not good for the town.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:04 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:26 pm @Epi, nope I just wanted witnesses.

Why woud I suspect you at the time of that pm?

I don't know. It was deductive thinking based on your post saying G-Man was protecting me.

As well as me saying that Wilgy opened his original PM to me asking if I was bad. I know when you made that post, I nodded.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:05 pm I wonder how many of you are using the BCC function.

I am not. I *have* been keeping one person in my loop, the person who originally contacted me, but I am either just PMing or forwarding.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:04 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:51 pm A bit over 2.5 hours. I am leaving work now, won't be home for an hour or so.

Gives you plenty of time to try to do whatever it is you are doing, and it gives me time to think about what *I* think you are doing.

Personally I think you are now trying to get people to THINK you want to be lynched, hence the groovy over the top avatar and the "wet caverns of hell" rhetoric. Very fun.

And no BTS because I would rather you say what you have to say in front of everyone. I think the first PM you sent me was the truth of it, and I don't think you expected me to do this. It was a calculated risk, and I don't think you would have done it without a back up plan. But that plan won't involve any private manipulation of me.

Later <3

You reacted exactly as I would expect a player to react after receiving a PM like the one Wilgy sent you. I don't see a reason to vote for him based off this.

linki: seems like standard wilgy behavior to me. "Bewildered" is not the same as "suspicious".

You don't know what he said to me.

It isn't really a case on Wilgy. He PMed me, saying he thought I was bad, and said he could benefit the baddies highly if they did a thing for him. He has said many contradictory things since then both in thread and out, but I believe he thought I was bad and he tried to make a deal with me.

If he was telling the truth (and I see no reason to think he was not becasue I don't see how he could benefit from it) then he is not someone who benefits the town. And if he is NOT what he told me, then I have no idea why he then started to act evil and cavort about in the thread and in PMs.

He told me I will understand when he flips, and I hope that is so, becasue I am fairly bewildered by him at this stage.

You copied me on your PM to G Man and Epignosis.

A bit over 2.5 hours. I am leaving work now, won't be home for an hour or so.

Gives you plenty of time to try to do whatever it is you are doing, and it gives me time to think about what *I* think you are doing.

Personally I think you are now trying to get people to THINK you want to be lynched, hence the groovy over the top avatar and the "wet caverns of hell" rhetoric. Very fun.

And no BTS because I would rather you say what you have to say in front of everyone. I think the first PM you sent me was the truth of it, and I don't think you expected me to do this. It was a calculated risk, and I don't think you would have done it without a back up plan. But that plan won't involve any private manipulation of me.

Later <3

Little over the top there, aren't you Doc?

Wilgy, after that last PM, with the "my observations are smoother" business, if you have anything to say to me, please say it here.

LOL at Satan profile picture ha ha ha

OK, he wasn't PMing G Man, he was PMing me. Or maybe he was PMing G Man too

I am answering in the thread.

Wilgy wants to know what I gain from revealing what he told me

Because I thought that what you told me was not a good thing for me, and I think it is what most people would have done in my shoes.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:52 pm On the one hand if this Wilgy shit is true it means lynching him wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

On the other, the way this has shaken out makes it easy for baddies to jump into a blameless lynch.

Well, he has time to explain it. He's here.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:49 pm Dog did not know we could fake PMs.

Bark! Hey! SVS sent PM to dog. Says SVS is bad human. Need hunt!

No I didn't lol. And why are you posting this in sarcasm?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:44 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:16 pm Does anyone in here have BTSC with Wilgy?

I got an odd message from him. I am not sure I want to put it out there what he said since it could be helpful to the baddies if it is true. But if it isn't, then I would like to know about it since it would seem to be trap directed at me.

Does anyone know anything about an odd message Wilgy might have sent me? Or did any of you get an odd message from Wilgy?

Linki, Who's a good boy???

Seems you got real sure real quick there, SVS.

I am sure. What he told me would happen would benefit the baddies. I think that was pretty obvious?

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:33 pm How intriguing! When I moved my vote to Llama, I considered placing it on DrWilgy because he seemed to be blendy but I didn't because it would just add to the vote spread and be his first vote. Voting for Llama held potential for adding to the lynch drama by putting someone in the lead.

If baddies are just going to sit back and let the civvies do all the hard work of building cases against other civvies, then I may as well start looking at the blendy folk. Wilgy fits that description for me thus far.

OK, Wilgy sent me a PM. He asked if I was bad. And told me that if I was and had my bad teammates do a specific thing, something that was good for the bad team (and for Wilgy) would happen.

I am not sure I want to go into any more detail than that. I would like to hear Wilgys explanation. In the thread. He can be cryptic if he likes, I will understand him.

Plus there is also the whole possible "he wants to be lynched" thing to consider. But I think he would not have picked me for that, I think he really thought I was bad. He usually does.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:20 pmWhacky.

Indeed. Wacky enough that I think I am going to vote for Wilgy at this time. Becasue either what he said to me was true (and it was predicated on him thinking I was a baddie) and if so he was trying to make something bad happen, or it was not true, but I don't see why he would say what he said if it were not true. I could see no benefit to it for him.

If anyone has any info on this, I would like to know what it is.

*Voting Wilgy*

Does anyone in here have BTSC with Wilgy?

I got an odd message from him. I am not sure I want to put it out there what he said since it could be helpful to the baddies if it is true. But if it isn't, then I would like to know about it since it would seem to be trap directed at me.

Does anyone know anything about an odd message Wilgy might have sent me? Or did any of you get an odd message from Wilgy?

Linki, Who's a good boy???

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:53 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:58 am Also, I am a lady.

Not an eldritch horror?

*Bites Sprityo's ear, an earfilled muffled voice can be heard*

Shhh... shhh... it'll all be ok soon...

I'm voting for Llama... he's not hunting... when does llama give up the cance to be right... mmm... delicious ear.... when does llama give up the chance to be right on day 1?

I have been known to be an eldritch horror on occasion, but I have gotten over it for the most part since my tentacle-ectomy.

Unless he sets off my meter (and I read him fairly well, IMO) I am going to give Llama the BOTD since I know he has been traveling for work alot recently. Also BOTD to Daisy for not posting at all. While it would be better if she were here, at least she in not posting in Madonna lyrics or pretending to be an alien or whatever.

I will reread Sprit before the eod, though. So far still good with my Timmer vote.

Also stop eating the ear, no one ate the ear in the film.

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:18 pm
As for LC, maybe I'm not voting for him because part of this whole thing has been to see how people react. While it isn't enough for my to even raise an eyebrow at her, I'm a touch surprised that SVS took as much suspicion from my play as she has, but then again, I don't play much these days and I'm certainly being a bit more glib than my usual cautious, mopey way, lol, so maybe that's all it is? Again, I'm not suspicious of her for the vote, I'm just surprised.

You seemed to be looking for a reason to vote for someone. What you were saying made no sense to me, and I still think it doesn't much. The people who are just posting crap and vague stuff, I am just ignoring them. I am sure this game is going to get really weird really fast at some point and I would like it better if all the weird came from the host and not the players, but I am not a God, so me wanting doesn't make it real. But they are trying to make no sense; I expect you to make sense, dammit :P

You are someone I expect, not necessarily seriousness, but a certain logic from. Dizzy, to my eye, did a similar thing to you. She thought LC was making a real live slip (and maybe he was, I think it would be hard to miss the names of your teammates in your role PM, but LC is capable of the highest of high shenanigans). So did you. It made no sense to me that you were making a big deal out of how you thought LC must be a LMS and it really was a slip, yet voting for someone who initially had the same reaction as you for association with LC, when if LC was an LMS, he would not even have teammates.

Plus you are now saying, "Oh the whole thing was just to get reactions". Don't love this. This is what I say when I am bad and got caught pushing a fail suspicion. "Oh just shaking the tree".

Can you remind me of the last time you and I played together and you were bad? I don't recall when I last played with bad Timmer and we have been playing together for some years.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:45 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:36 pm Rico have you reached out to anyone?

I myself have not, and only one person has reached out to me.

Out of the Dizzy voters, Epis vote looks better to me than Timmers, so I am temp voting Timmer. Might stay there might not.

And lulz at Rico and Llama being traditional and voting for each other.

Do you think timmer specifically deserves a vote, or are you just voting for him because Epi looks better?

See above. I voted for him to force him making a stand on where he stands re the LC/Dizzy thing; I felt he was trying to have his cake and eat it too. I think Dizzy looks pretty civ to me. She was eager to start, she jumped on what looked like a slip, stepped back and reexamined it, and changed her mind. I don't like either vote for her. I liked Epis reasoning for voting for her better than Timmers, it seemed more honest to me.

Rico have you reached out to anyone?

I myself have not, and only one person has reached out to me.

Out of the Dizzy voters, Epis vote looks better to me than Timmers, so I am temp voting Timmer. Might stay there might not.

And lulz at Rico and Llama being traditional and voting for each other.

That is adorable I would definitely see that if it were in this thread. Sadly it is not.

Chuck, you can't see anything unique if there isn't anything unique to be seen

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:12 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:58 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:31 am Do not want to hunt LC or Dys.

SVS is not good boy.

Afraid you're mistaken there, Spot. THis makes me sad, dogs generally like me.

Who do you think is bad?

I don't know yet. I think LCs story sounds plausible. My initial reaction to that whole thing was that Dizzy jumped on it too quickly. But her backpedal was done gracefully, and it made her look better to me, not worse. That has pretty much dominated the thread as far as suspicions go. Timmers vote, especially after his, "well it's for the lulz" explanation when that is not what he said last night got my eye a bit, but nothing I am ready to vote based on at this time.

Rico and Wilgy appear to be playing for the troll value. Epi is Epi, but I like his vote for Dizzy better than I like Timmers. I think DH would be more intense if he was bad. Sloonei is more laid back than I am used to seeing him.

Other wise I have not seen enough of anyone else to have a negative opinion. I don't like to "scum hunt" and try to find suspicions just for the sake of finding suspicions. That just always seemed like a hecking ass backwards way to play. When I find something you will be the first to know.

Is this why you suspect me; lack of concrete opinions less than halfway into Day One? Shall I go back in the thread and give you a list of the other people with no concrete opinions?

Now be a good doggo and give me something I can work with.

Also, I am a lady.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:31 am Do not want to hunt LC or Dys.

SVS is not good boy.

Afraid you're mistaken there, Spot. THis makes me sad, dogs generally like me.

Self imposed curses annoy the heck out of me, but they don't make people baddies. Unfortunately.

I used to think they were just a way for people to weasel out of answering questions in a coherent way, or to have the appearance of a lot of posts without having any actual content (until I saw G Man iso the entire player list in Haiku or Limericks, some kind of poetry in a non poetry themed game) but in my experience, baddies seldom actually do that kind of thing becasue it draws too much attention to them.

I doubt Rico is bad, but his P O P P Y schtick is, lol.