The Syndicate

Thank You!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:18 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:39 am Nut, Kyle and Chuck were a bit too blatant with the role claiming. Us figuring who they were out didn't help an already mounting advantage.

Thanks SVS for that.

No, thank Mac, Illy & Tranq who redirected Marmot and I at each other. I would have dropped it had I not thought Kyle was Angel, the more he fought it the surer I was. I get up at like 4:30, so I have to be in bed by 10, and I stayed up till the end of that lynch so I could savor your reveal as Darla, that's how sure I was. I was 100% sure I had stumbled onto the baddies on Night 1 ha ha. I thought I was civ of the week

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:30 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:51 am Night 1, Angelus made S~V~S (Spike) and Marmot (Xander) target each other. SXander targeting Spike resulted in a "chip flip" so that Spike, that night, could only kill humans.

Seeing Spike kill Marmot in th night post revealed to the vamps who Spike was.

And of course because of who Spike was, everyone assumed I was not human.

I felt very bad accidentally killing you when you had just gotten back.

Drusilla, not Darla doh. But yeah, I was still playing for the civs at that point, and I thought I was a hero ha ha ha. I was so sure Kyle was Angel.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:07 am Night 1, S~V~S (Spike) opted to use one of her two kills on Kylemii (Giles). He would have survived it, but it was redirected to poor Marmot.

Night 2, the Vamps tried to kill Lorab (Glory), which failed and tipped them off that she might be Glory.

This is why I was convinced Kyle was bad, but I had nothing for a case, so Chuck had pinged me and I went with that. I wasn't married to it and I wanted to see Kyle react to it, and Kyle's reaction had me rock solid sure he and Chuck were Darla and Angelus.

Then I got recruited, and just dead dropped it. Why did you buy that, civs?

LOL, No U

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:51 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:38 pm Tranq: Nice analysis.

Also, the night 1 post reads like recruitment, since Spike is with Angelus. Could be story telling, yes, but also makes sense of the hosts vaguely letting us know what's happening.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:03 am

Masterful Ploy

"Oi!" cried Spike from the cave entrance. "Where's the blue-glowy-wall thing gone? I grabbed this bloke 'cause he received blood Buffy donated, and-"

"Too late, Spike!" taunted Angelus. "And it's a moot point anyway, since The Master is no longer taking house calls."

Spike looked down at a terrified Marmot. "Bloody hell. Don't need you any more then, do I?" And with that, he snapped Marmot's neck.

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Of the interactions you name, I'm most concerned with Illy in general. My gut is reading her as bad. It's pure gut and meta, but she doesn't sound like civ illy. Especially the way she talks about the neutrals. It's almost like she is more suspicious of the than the Mafia--Glory as top concern makes sense, but the Mayor is her next top concern? Shouldn't the mafia be more concerning? (I could also see her as either the mayor or glory, for that matter, but I'm thinking vamp)

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:47 pm LoRab, I had you as like a top townread except for the role fishing, which wouldn't even be as bad if you hadn't denied it. But for today, I'm willing to chalk that up to "different backgrounds" (My background is closed setups with lots of role crap, and role fishing [in other words trying to get someone to talk directly about their role or what their role is not] was considered bad bad bad) because we share a common top scumread. Let's talk about that.

You read Illyria as scum for meta, gut, and a few posts. I've been reading her as scum because of tone and interactions, having never played a game with her before.

We arrived at the same conclusion for different, but complementary reasons. And I find that to be a good reason to vote.

This is why I was reading LoRab as town. This is how the Illy lynch started.

It could also be read as distancing which got out of hand, since it is the only post of substance she made about Illy. It isn't a hard case. Next was "Vote Illy" and then analyzing other peoples illy votes. I would not put anything past LoRab (said with all love and respect for her and her game). Also Illy did not show up for a few days, it is possible she knew this in advance and her team did as well.

I trust you, sig and Tranq. I know who I am that leaves Mac and LoRab, and I think he is more likely as the SK. But either way,they are the baddies we seek.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:32 pm @S~V~S, you seem to be POE-ing. You've got me, Tranq, and yourself picked out as certain roles.

Oz exists. Who would your pick for Oz be? (don't answer this out loud necessarily. I just want you to make sure you have everything placed.)

I am well aware

And Tranq is cleared for *me*, I have played with him for years, and I can't imagine the circumstances where bad Tranq would have that discussion with me, even if he did not have an info role (since he is not a person who dumps info).

Mac, what do you say?

@ Chuck, I feel pretty good about sig, tbh.

Gotta go walk the dog, the rain finally stopped, and she is restless.

What I am talking about starts here:

Tranq wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:13 am SVS, are you still looking at lapluie because she doesn't have any thoughts yet? What do you think of her reply to your question?

lapluie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:36 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:28 pm Any thoughts about the game lapluie?

nothing really so drastic or anything of use to say other than I'm just observing everyone & everything that has been coming up, having neutral vibes off so far, as I cannot read players well given that I don't know many of you yet, so yep.

I think sig is fairly open. As for Tranq, on Day two, he came in and talked me down from my Lapluie suspicion from Day one. I presumed he had info or something, and that was why I backed off Lapluie. Lapluie flipping civ (I assume since he did not end the Vamps) reinforces that for me.

POE

You are not bad, I do not think sig or Tranq is bad (especially with Lapluie dying and not ending the vamps).

So Mac and Lorab.

Well, one of the two is the SK.

Looking back, I don't think LoRab would have NKed Juliets. So imma waffle and move my vote to Lorab. One of them is bad, and one is the SK.

I did read them, and I think you are wrong. Too much wifom in your reasoning, especially if one of them is the SK.

I don't think "would have" is something that can be applied with any degree of certainly with LoRab and especially with Mac.

And if you think THAT was crass, you don't know me very well. I can trigger a work cuss filter maybe even better than Rabbit I am just frustrated at how drive by this game has been. More so with sig than you maybe~ have you read his suspect lists? I would like the civvies to win this game, but meh. If you are so sure Mac and LoRab are not bad, and you made posts and stuff about it, who am I to correct you?

Although I could be talked out of it for a LoRab vote, she has been blending and sliding, sliding and blending.

I am getting somewhat annoyed at people suspecting other people for cultural things.

It was the norm at my home forum not to lynch people who were unable to defend back in the day.

Why are you so sure Mac is not bad? It felt to me like he was pushing Ambray to intentionally NOT vote for Illy so he could set her up for the next days lynch.

At this point I am annoyed that people are barely playing, then come in and make half assed deductions for half assed reasons, I am going to vote for Mac. Reread him during the Illy lynch and then the next day. Bam, he dumps a vote on Ambray pretty much as soon as the poll was available. I dropped a big ass role hint, Chuck, and if you didn't get it just lynch me.

*Voting Mac*

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:19 am Did nutella leave any clues behind that might explain why she was killed? I was expecting speedchuck or myself to be killed.

Yourself? Pray tell why?

And Nutella was pretty much a confirmed civ; she made a bold claim and no one disputed it, although a reread might help, although rereading Juliets did not help me much.

At first I thought Nova was a weird choice with so much suspish, but then I realized how long it has been since I played a game with a civ killer. Although the post makes it look like Buffy killed Nova by mistake? I am surprised he was looking to be civ; after Lap, his partner from MC, threw some shade at him, I was looking forward to hearing what Lap had to say about him.

I will be off for a few hours, but should be around most of today.

OK, forgot about that, and they both have secrets, so the Mayors win con may not have been just the generic indy win con,

All Independents need to survive, and to have Glory dead to win.

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LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:39 am I think a neutral who can recruit a civ is a good result. Also going on the character on the show who was definitely not at all positive.

OK, I find I was mixing up Dawn and the Mayor power wise, based on what Tranq posted, I did not realize a lynch pardon role had to vote for the person they pardoned?

I looked it up, and this is the Mayors role:

Mayor Richard Wilkins III - The Mayor of Sunnydale, he has the ability to pardon one lynching. *secrets*

What do you mean, that role can recruit a civ? Am I missing something?

Not horrible, but not what I expected. That would be a hard role to play, having to vote for people you didn't suspect if you wanted to save them, while making sure your reasoning was weak enough not to gain support.

Ugh I fell asleep on the couch, I blame figure skaters.

The thing that most got my attention during Illy was the back and forth with Ambray and Mac. So going to vote Ambray.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:31 pm I'm fairy sure I've made many reads throughout the game, they've all been wrong it seems like, but I'm making reads. So I find it odd you say I'm not.

Are you speaking to me? I don't think I said that?

I don't think asking someone who they suspect in a game where half the players are dead is unreasonable

I am going to read back as I had said I would this AM and will likely vote and crash out early.

I feel like it is day one again Who are your suspects?

Should be a quick catch up, where is everyone?

Wow quiet thread is quiet.

I am not immensely surprised at Kyle, but why the heck would someone kill Juliets? She was being too polite? I will reread her as time allows to see how she may have lured an NK.

[mention]sig[/mention] et tu brute?

This is where I am at now in general,

speedchuck
nutella
sig
Tranq
>>>>>>>
MacDougall
>>>>>>>
Lapluie
Ambray
novaselinenever
LoRab

Before the break are people I feel good about, with Mac in his own group, "He isn't pinging me all that much, but when he does it's Big Freaking Ben". No particular order within groups.

My thoughts on Mac have a lot to do with his exchange with Ambray yesterday. I am not sure if it felt scripted, or what. My thoughts on him being bad are mixed in with my thoughts on Ambray. To me at least, I feel Mac engages with his team in thread rather than avoiding them. I recall him actively defending teammates in other games, and playing with them in thread.

Lapluie continues to be a spectator hiding behind kulture klash. She seems to magically show up when mentioned. I still don't see that she has had any suspects? Illy did a nice job of drawing her out and possibly making people feel guilty about suspecting her.

Ambray I felt pretty good about most of the game, we had a lot of the same thoughts, and I had a role in mind for her at one point, but I was in error, I believe someone else to be in that role now. So not sure what I think of her at this point. Her vote, and the "I would like to see Illy lynched really" thing combined with the discussion she had with Mac was weird.

Nova is not hiding behind Kulture Klash, he seems to be wielding it like a sword. Says it isn't a No U, but it looks like a No U to me. The person who voted for him seems to be his only suspect through the game so far.

LoRab ... I find this hard to explain, and I know she will understand me when I say this, is just giving me the willies. She pops up a few good observations here and there but for the most part seems to be doing the "helpful civvie theme analysis" thing. She and I, when civ, often seem to have a lot of the same thoughts, and I am not getting that feel from her. This is my meta impression of her, but I need to reread her. LoRab is a gut player like me, she is someone I modeled my game after in some ways, and she feels off to me. After Chuck, I am a little shaky on my meta reads, and won't vote solely based on one, but that is where I am at.

I work Saturdays, and today specifically I have to go to my parents after work, so will probably not be here much except on phone until probably about 7 or 8 ish.

Bye Illy, come back soon!

Excellent results. Voting Sacred Magic cause why do something mundane when you can do something MAGICAL

I need to go to bed, I had hoped to hear from Illy, but since she didn't show up I will leave my vote where it is.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:16 pm I hadn't seen nova before until recently and he plays like a nub. I guess 2 plus 2 equals 5.

Why are you and Nova so vague? She asked how long he's playing, and he's like, "quite some time", and then this bit of an over reaction.

I don't love lynching people who are not here, I hope Illy shows up.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:32 pm speedchuck
nutella
juliets
Kylemii
sig
Lapluie
MacDougall
novaselinenever
S~V~S
Ambray
Tranq
LoRab
Illyria

In rough order. My townreads, the top half of the list, are more certain than my scumreads.

I was one of your top civ reads before I suspected you, is that how you roll?

Catching up now, I had Illy towards the bottom of my rankings last time I posted them, is it just generic blendy quietness or is it something else?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:47 pm LoRab, I had you as like a top townread except for the role fishing, which wouldn't even be as bad if you hadn't denied it. But for today, I'm willing to chalk that up to "different backgrounds" (My background is closed setups with lots of role crap, and role fishing [in other words trying to get someone to talk directly about their role or what their role is not] was considered bad bad bad) because we share a common top scumread. Let's talk about that.

You read Illyria as scum for meta, gut, and a few posts. I've been reading her as scum because of tone and interactions, having never played a game with her before.

We arrived at the same conclusion for different, but complementary reasons. And I find that to be a good reason to vote.

I like this post.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:25 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:20 pm So your case is because he cased you but he is the one pulling omgus?

That kind of crazy talk only comes from civs. Next.

Oi lapluie talk.

I don't care that his case is against me. It doesn't matter if it is against me or any other low poster.

The case is he's pushing against inactives and low posters. He isn't trying to out scum or do anything else. He is just trying to find easy target to leave his vote on them and then save himself the trouble and scrutiny from Town. With his votes against me no one is questioning it or his reads. The only reason he's been giving is low-posting and inactivity. He did the same last day phase before leaving. He just mentioned me and my activity, and then left his vote and left. He didn't try going against Speechuck or DFaraday, because they required real reads and reasons to vote them. Scum would avoid that and go for easy targets. That's what he's doing.

He did the same right now. As soon as I voted against him, he returned the favor and went on with ' I feel good about my vote '. If that isn't bullshit I don't know what is.

I think this may be cultural? The other LP people can correct me if I am wrong, but this was a very common thing where we all came from, we voted for low posters/non voters the first few days, especially if it was quiet like it was on Super Bowl Sunday. You seem to be taking this personally, and it is more of a "Play or die" thing. It's more fun playing with people who play

Also Mac should post MOAR CAT VIDEOS!!

Dropping a vote on Illy for now, will bbl after dinner to finish reading.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:51 pm Also Rabbit is married to SvS? Yes, no, maybe, it's been bothering me since he subbed into MK

Ha ha ha ha, No. What did he say in MK??? I look forward to seeing if he responded to this. Now I am sad he is dead, even if he probably was bad (him defending me was really weird, lol), it would have been fun pretending to be Mrs Rabbit and chasing him with an imaginary frying pan.


I love Rabbit with all my heart (as far as that could be true for a person I never met, don't know his full real name, and have no contact with outside of occasional Mafia games), he is one of my fave Mafia folk, but Rabbit and I married would have led to multiple deaths many years ago. Thanks sig, you made my morning!

linki @ kitties?

Bye Rabbit!

OK, nice message Willow

I need to reread some and start over. I think staying out of here yesterday was wise on my part. I had reasons for thinking what I thought, but i only have to be hit with a rock one time.

Kyle, we have been playing together on and off for eight years or so, you picked the exact wrong way to argue with me, lol. Same as Tuesday, I will be at work till 4ish Eastern, I will try to read and catch up at work if possible, but I likely won't say much.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:03 pm
That was 2 scumreads. Not what I asked for. Maybe nutella has better.

Why should I have three baddie reads when I think there are only two baddies left an an SK who really hasn't given anything away yet?

And re heartfelt pleas, don't play semantics with me. That was a catchall for whatever persuasive method you use to get people on your side. It all comes down to the same thing in the long run when you're bad; lies, smoke, mirrors and BS, no? I don't know you specifically, but I know a good Mafia player when I see one, and I know what it takes to survive.

Now really, I gotta get out of here and stay out ha ha

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:15 am I am fixing that post.

@S~V~S, @nutella , who are your top 3 scumreads? This is important.

Putting cards on the table; as of right now think Marmot was bad, and I think you are Kyle are his teammates. I had a bad feel about you, but when Kyle came in all willing to do anything to save you including a very strong willingness to fry civvies who have been playing hard and contributing, it meant one of two things to me, and i don't believe the civ explanation at all. Had Kyle stayed out of it, it is likely I would have moved my vote after Nutella did. As for who is Glory, that is hard to say, a smart indy/sk plays it like a civ. Several people could be that role. So I only have two baddie reads, becasue I think there are two baddies and an SK left.

And before anyone makes any inferences, I have no info, I do not have an info role. Info cannot be trusted in this game in any case with Caleb being able to screw with info results on any given night. With Faraday gone, they are slightly more reliable, but in any case, I have no info.

And re your reputation, you misunderstand me. It is my understanding that you are a pretty competitive guy. People like that tend to try harder to live as a civ than as a baddie becasue it tanks your cred in further games if you make heartfelt pleas as a baddie. I know this from experience, having tanked my own cred in this fashion more than once.

I am pretty much going to stay out of here until it is day again. If you are civ, I wish luck to you in the night.

Also, I don't want to discuss night results in thread, but I wonder who Faraday targeted on Night one? I am going to read his posts to see if he shows any specific interest in anyone.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:57 am So speed or nutella which one of you is the vamp boss?

If that was the issue then the other would have been lynched, something else happened. Plus Nova still had one vote. OR Loop wasn't really Tara, although I don't know how likely I think that that is.Hopefully now that [mention]lapluie[/mention] and [mention]novaselinenever[/mention] are engaged they stay so, and we have some better discussion today. I for one would like to discuss what Wilgy is putting down, and what Chuck thinks of it in light of his early thoughts on role claims/hints:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:18 pm

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:16 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:42 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:01 am Looking at the poll (thanks google):

Full Metal Jacket, Xander references the movie (Life taker, heartbreaker) when greeting Riley when he returns to Sunnydale. Also, a Vampire says to Spike who is attacking him, "What's your malfuncion, man" which is also a reference.
House of Wax: Plotline of the original could connect to various buffy story lines, but can't find anything in particular that stands out. And none of it looks remotely good.
New Jack City: There's a "I never liked you anyway" connection, but that's a pretty common line, I think. Spike says it to Buffy.
Wayne's World: Both have a "Noah's Arcade"--it's where the Trio brings a kidnapped Willow and Buffy confronts them. Also, Wayne's World ends with a whole Scooby Doo thing, and the Scooby Gang is, well, the Scooby Gang.

That was not so helpful. Although almost fun. I'm sure I'm missing obvious things. Or, Rock Con are just messing with us with random movie titles. I feel like I'm missing references, though.

linkitis:
kyle: You don't have to watch it all at on
LA: Google coupled with a buffy knowledge. But yes, mostly google.

Lorab gets some early civ points for this post.

What does everyone think about the Independents? I'd say Glory is a top priority to kill for all players, followed by the mafia, and maybe Spike. I do think its possible Spike has the type of role where he can also become a civ, it could be something along the lines of he searches for Buffy every night and if he finds her they get BTSC and he becomes a civ, which would be nice. However, we've got no way of knowing if that's the case so I think it would be safer to lynch him.

Thoughts?

You Spike?

He can't say.

And it is not Nutella that is bad. If there is someone with a protection they should use it on her.

Damn I was looking forward to this being over, one way or the other even if I took flak for it. Now it is gonna drag on.

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:54 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:39 am

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:27 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:24 am

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:22 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:19 am mayor, if you're feeling charitable this may be a good time to do your thing

You trying to save two buddies?

please stop.

speedchuck is a civ. nutella is apparently probably also a civ. I have no idea about dfaraday but this lynch is not going to have an overall good outcome.

Referring to nutella as a civ after the fact.......

I made it clear my vote for Nutella was despite her possibly being a hinted civ role. This.... isn't really new information, rabbit. I didn't vote for Nutella because I thought she was bad, I voted for her because her lynch seemed like it would be the lesser of two bad things.

0 sense, this makes.

God this is stressful. I was afraid to look this AM.

He is implying that Chuck is a specific role. For ... reasons, I don't buy it. Chuck threw in the towel which from what people think of him is not what I would expect. He was being opportunistic, again not what I would expect. But Kyle sowed enough doubt that I am a paranoid mess.

lapluie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:09 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:08 am

lapluie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:06 am

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:04 am There's a baddie in these four at least?

No, the others are dead

What do you mean here?

Oh nono, he thought there was a 4 way tie but the last bottom votes are for the nonplayers/dead etc

Got it. Thank You.

lapluie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:06 am

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:04 am There's a baddie in these four at least?

No, the others are dead

What do you mean here?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:02 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:01 am Get your vote off nutella she pretty much roleclaimed.

This

I think saving Chuck is all that matters to him, tbh.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:56 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:43 pmIt has nothing to do with disagreeing with me. Sig doesn't agree with me, I feel great about him. It has to do with you have no valid opinions other than saving Chuck.

If you agree it's a valid opinion then stop voting for him. There's time a time and a place for making cases and this isn't it.

And again, I know what tunnelvision is. This is not it.

stop.

If I agree what is a valid opinion?

Nutella he changed his vote to you.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:38 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:32 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:28 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:03 pmTunnelvisions would be days and days of going after the same person, not 12 hours.

the only player allowed to argue semantics with me is epignosis. you're looking down a tunnel at Speedchuck where you're only seeing how his actions make sense in a baddie's perspective. there are other perspectives, can you really say you're considering them all?

Plus the last time I felt like this about Jack in (I forget the theme, he was Nutellas teammate) and I kept dropping it becasue "tunnelvision" and I was right, he was bad. So if I think I am right, then why would I not be true to myself.

because speedchuck isn't jack and being right about jack several months ago in some random game doesn't make you more or less likely to be right about Speedchuck in a different game.

So if I could not vote for Chuck, I might vote for you. Just being honest here. Give me some names, Kyle, and it might change.

seriously svs?

Srsly, and I am not the only one it seems.

And I know he isn't Jack, my point was that I doubted my self and I should not have. And I know what tunnelvision is, this is not it.

disagreeing with you doesnt make me mafia

tunneling is assuming you're right about something and ignoring all evidence indicating that your opinion might be wrong.

I have 4 more pages to catch up on. brb

It has nothing to do with disagreeing with me. Sig doesn't agree with me, I feel great about him. It has to do with you have no valid opinions other than saving Chuck.

And again, I know what tunnelvision is. This is not it.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:28 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:03 pmTunnelvisions would be days and days of going after the same person, not 12 hours.

the only player allowed to argue semantics with me is epignosis. you're looking down a tunnel at Speedchuck where you're only seeing how his actions make sense in a baddie's perspective. there are other perspectives, can you really say you're considering them all?

Plus the last time I felt like this about Jack in (I forget the theme, he was Nutellas teammate) and I kept dropping it becasue "tunnelvision" and I was right, he was bad. So if I think I am right, then why would I not be true to myself.

because speedchuck isn't jack and being right about jack several months ago in some random game doesn't make you more or less likely to be right about Speedchuck in a different game.

So if I could not vote for Chuck, I might vote for you. Just being honest here. Give me some names, Kyle, and it might change.

seriously svs?

Srsly, and I am not the only one it seems.

And I know he isn't Jack, my point was that I doubted my self and I should not have. And I know what tunnelvision is, this is not it.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:48 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:48 pmI am thinking critically about it, Kyle. This is a game where we pick apart the minutiae of each others posts, after all. All you are saying is, "Anyone but Chuck".

I'm not saying you aren't. what I am asking is that you be careful of letting yourself get tunnel vision. Idk if this is still how you are but the svs that I remember rarely changed her mind once she decided on things, but that's what I'm asking for. if you couldn't lynch Speedchuck today then who would you lynch?

Give me an alternative. Ambray is not coming back, she's in Europe. Chuck started off with one vote as a penalty for not voting yesterday. So he has 2 votes that aren't going anywhere. Nutella is coming back, too. (linki, no she is here)

Who else do you propose?

I'll do my best to answer this when I get home. it'll be about 20 minutes.

Tunnelvisions would be days and days of going after the same person, not 12 hours. Plus the last time I felt like this about Jack in (I forget the theme, he was Nutellas teammate) and I kept dropping it becasue "tunnelvision" and I was right, he was bad. So if I think I am right, then why would I not be true to myself.

I feel good about Tranq, Ambray and sig. Also Lorab, Mac and Nutella a notch down, but not a huge notch. Illy and Rabbit are in the neutral zone mainly becasue they both make me nervous, and I have not heard enough from either. Juliets is a null for me too. Lapluie is a step down, I would like to hear more from her, and might have ridden her too hard yesterday. Faraday and Nova, and then you right after them.

So if I could not vote for Chuck, I might vote for you. Just being honest here. Give me some names, Kyle, and it might change.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:15 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:10 pm @macdougall to be honest, I thought he was going to go for them before he went for the Loop voter defenders, but he was kind of headed off at the pass. Same with the Loop voter defenders. I worded it poorly, and I think both Chuck and Nutella knew what I meant. His very first post after the lynch, about how did Loop get islynched, felt like a gauntlet to me.

I'm sorry I don't follow. You thought he was going for who before? And what post did he make after the lynch are you referring to? I can't find one that fits... Are you talking about speedchuck or someone else?

I was talking about the post you were talking to nutella about about putting words in Chucks mouth. I m on tablet, and there has been lots of linki, I should have quoted it not just responded inline.

Also [mention]sig[/mention], I am always aggressive, I toned it down before I went on break, but not that much. For while I intentionally toned my civ game down to make my bad game better, less contrast. Since I don't plan on playing many games,that is not something that concerns me anymore.

linki @ mac again, part of it, but it all just felt opportunistic to me. Like, "Ah ha a mislynch, easy opportunity1" And I am in for a dime in for a dollar, I am leaving my vote. This is my party, I will deal with the mess if there is one. But I still think he's bad bad bad

linki AGAIN YET AGAIN!!! Yes, two people, and anyone who didn't vote yesterday starts today with a vote.

[mention]macdougall[/mention] to be honest, I thought he was going to go for them before he went for the Loop voter defenders, but he was kind of headed off at the pass. Same with the Loop voter defenders. I worded it poorly, and I think both Chuck and Nutella knew what I meant. His very first post after the lynch, about how did Loop get islynched, felt like a gauntlet to me.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:55 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:48 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:33 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:05 pmYeah you said that before about how you thought Speedchuck was a bad lynch. I am beginning to feel like a bad person for actually having suspects... in a Mafia game. Has having suspects gone out of fashion while I was not playing?

Suspecting people is incredibly cool but thinking critically about all angles of every situation and sometimes getting really anxious about it is also very cool, some might say, even cooler.

I am thinking critically about it, Kyle. This is a game where we pick apart the minutiae of each others posts, after all. All you are saying is, "Anyone but Chuck".

Give me an alternative. Ambray is not coming back, she's in Europe. Chuck started off with one vote as a penalty for not voting yesterday. So he has 2 votes that aren't going anywhere. Nutella is coming back, too. (linki, no she is here)

Who else do you propose?

Linki @novaselinenever You are required to vote in this game; you already have one penalty vote for missing yesterdays vote. Civvies vote and they make informed votes. This is why someone who says they have nothing to add would seem like you are not paying attention to the thread; can you see why people might find that suspect? Do you see my point?

Linki again yes, SVS HAS made alot of posts

What is a penalty vote ?

I don't see your point, because I doubt a non-civil would be honest about it. He/She would most likely try to blend in. I don't really suspect people who are mostly inactive or low posters.

Not voting is a way to blend and to avoid having opinions. Not having opinions means no one pays attention to you and you skate. So this group tends to demand opinions and votes in order to determine who is who. Tracking votes and opinions is literally how we play for the most part, although hosts are free to do different mechanics if they choose.

Becasue so few people voted yesterday, everyone who did not vote got started today with a vote. It is in the lynch post from yesterday. You started with one vote, you have one vote so now you have two votes. Two people are being lynched today, and since the other two people with one vote voted, as of right now, you are one of the two.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:33 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:05 pmYeah you said that before about how you thought Speedchuck was a bad lynch. I am beginning to feel like a bad person for actually having suspects... in a Mafia game. Has having suspects gone out of fashion while I was not playing?

Suspecting people is incredibly cool but thinking critically about all angles of every situation and sometimes getting really anxious about it is also very cool, some might say, even cooler.

I am thinking critically about it, Kyle. This is a game where we pick apart the minutiae of each others posts, after all. All you are saying is, "Anyone but Chuck".

Give me an alternative. Ambray is not coming back, she's in Europe. Chuck started off with one vote as a penalty for not voting yesterday. So he has 2 votes that aren't going anywhere. Nutella is coming back, too. (linki, no she is here)

Who else do you propose?

Linki [mention]novaselinenever[/mention] You are required to vote in this game; you already have one penalty vote for missing yesterdays vote. Civvies vote and they make informed votes. This is why someone who says they have nothing to add would seem like you are not paying attention to the thread; can you see why people might find that suspect? Do you see my point?

Linki again yes, SVS HAS made alot of posts