The Syndicate

Reading back, I would have never come to Falcon, and maybe not Sean either. I was 100% townreading Falcon.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 10:32 pm I've lied again.

I've done all I'm going to do tonight. I'm beat.

I think S~V~S is mafia. Michelle did too.

And if I'm right, I think I have a tell on mafia S~V~S.

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

Free self meta tip, since you’re a word guy; bad SVS would *never* use a semi confrontational word against a somewhat touchy person like Michelle on Day One. Poking people for no reason on Day Ine isn’t a winning move.

Again I’m sorry everyone. I thought I was so obviously not bad I got derailed into an OMGUS spiral. I learned a lesson here.

Good game, Sean and Falcon!

Also @Epignosis your gut needs some probiotics or summat, lol.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 9:40 pm I changed my vote to [VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine.

I have to have more faith in myself.

On the surface, I don't feel like S~V~S is looking for mafia. It's all self-defense.

100% self defense. I got so derailed by day one, by taking so much suspish over something so silly, that it OMGUSed me up. I think I'm a fairly polarized player, my bad game is so much more controlled, that it can be hard for me to see pushes for saying something that was kind of a thoughtless throwaway remark, which I almost never make when bad. So now I am fairly blinded by defensiveness towards those that suspected me for something so trivial.

This is my failing, no one elses. I apologize to the host and to the other players for being so absent. I've become so blinded by my own defensiveness that I'm useless to town.

Gonna stick with my gut re Radishes, they kept up with the "Hrm, what about SVS" pretty much the whole game. Of all the suspish I took, that felt the most insincere to me.

[VOTE: Radishes] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:03 am I, like the departed fart storyteller, lied about my role.

I put S~V~S in the hoosegow last night. Obviously that accomplished nothing.

I am disappoint; I thought "Jailkeeper" also had a BTS aspect to it. Although that negates it's role block aspect so it would not make sense.

I'm going to reread Radishes today. He seems sad

every time someone says I am possibly not bad, without making any major pushes to me himself.

You can frame people who already have suspicion. And in a game with only 10 people, keeping the town talking about the same person for several days is a good move.

Imma vote now, [VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:30 pm How often do scum teams actually choose kills based on framing someone?

More than they directly kill the people sussing them imo, at least early in the game. When I’m bad, on might one I usually kill people unlikely to be protected or people who fairly strongly sussed someone who isn’t a wolf. Having the civvies come out of the gate start of day chomping at the bit to yeet some townie you set up, and not you, is the best when you’re a wolf. You sit back and let town slaughter each other.

If someone won’t shut up you kill them later in the game, but not night one.

But it’s all wifom, really.

Do you think I killed Michelle?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:00 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:27 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:22 pm I just think this:

1) A Parity Cop makes next to no sense in this setup.
2) Guillotine doesn't act like a Parity Cop.
3) Guillotine didn't die.
I was not killed to push this.

Look at the kills, Michelle and Wilgy whom both pushed me early day 1 and one of them actually parked on me.
You'd think if I was mafia I wouldn't do the kills that point straight at me, but maybe I suck at mafia now.
Michelle ended on SVS, not you. Sorry, but this makes no sense.

Which is why she was killed imo, to point straight at me, lol.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:20 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:58 pm Going back to this post:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:31 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:54 pm Town

Michelle

Null

Seanzie
Cat

Scum

DrWilgy
SvS

Spicy read

LinearPoint could be whiteknighting me.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:54 pm And I would vote out SvS as self preservation if the wagons remain like this until EoD, but I'd prefer one in Michelle/Wilgy
You don't require permission to vote out S~V~S if the first post is real. It isn't. You're a liar. You're mafia.

I looked at Guillo's ISO inbetween these posts, and he does speak in length about Michelle. Naming his earlier top town here over SVS isn't so surprising considering how much effort he put into pushing MIchelle after the reads list. However, I don't see much at all about SVS between these posts. @Guillotine what changed with regards to SVS here during D1?

He had went kinda "meh" to me being sus, till he called me a LAMIST, then he decided I was bad iirc. There could have been more to it than that, and it may already have been addressed, but this is where I am in catch up.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:30 pm I think I'm correct that the team is S~V~S and Guillotine.

No. Sorry. Michelle was annoyed that I called her aggro, and refused to really engage with my questions regarding exactly WHY she suspected me. She acted like she was humoring me, and not really interested in considering that I might be town. I am looking forward to asking her post game why she was so sure I was bad, actually. But being town doesn't mean one is infallible or even correct, and Michelle was not correct. I was horribly wrong in a recent game, it happens to all of us. And last yeet, votes were falling off me, when I said I'd prefer not to yeet the guy claiming a town role, and he called me a LAMIST, voted me, pushed others to, and stayed there even after I went to 4 votes, and seemed surprised I didn't die. I firmly believe nothing clears anyone ever, and people clear others too easily, but thread activity and voting analysis can point in the right direction.

I kinda lost track of mafia this weekend, but it looks like the thread is not so bad of a catch up, I should be able to be caught up and make an informed vote.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:24 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:58 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:51 pm I was not questioning cat getting yeeted organically but if you had something to do with it through mechanics, you must get killed even though cat was in my poe.
Question. Why not use your Cop check on me then and out SVS? You were already putting SVS at the top of your wolf reads end of yesterday. I killed another one of your wolf reads.

My alignment is not really contingent on SVS's alignment. If they are a wolf then I could easily be a mislead Town or their Mafia partner

I do not agree that if i were a Mafia Doublevoter I would out today or even entertain the idea I could be one. I would just have staid silent and made it seem like SVS was a Doublevoter.

I think that, from the perspective of a Parity Cop, going for me over SVS does not make a whole lot of sense. Why go after the Power Role claim? When Power Roles are great people to check as a Cop of any kind and I don't see how you refuse to entertain the idea I could be Town who accidentally saved a wolf.
Because it is not your call to decide the lynch for us.

It was obvious there were double voting shenanigans and maybe you thought that playing along makes you look goid because scum wouldnt do that, that is why you'd perceive it'd work.

I believe that if yoy are a wolf, you saved SvS to associate him with you. So no, if you are scum SvS is actually town.

SVS is actually town, and imo so is LP. They would have had zero reason to claim the yeet, they could have just let me take up all the air space in the thread and let me die today, as i100% expected.

Tbh that would have been a good game plan if LP were bad with me. Let me take all the thread heat, maybe even lead the crowd and wave the pitchforks the hardest.

Saving me of all people, then fessing up to it, benefits town, not LP.

Also “it’s not your job to decide the lynch for us”. If that’s the role power, then it kinda is LPs job.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:01 am *waiting for everyone to realize there is no way we have a pairity cop, a vig, and someone who controls the D1 elim in a 10er*

Yeah, I was wondering about that.

Has Guillo said if he's a 1x parity cop? A 1X parity cop would send two names in one time; a nightly parity cop checks one nights results against anothers, right? I am not super knowledgeable about this role. Wilgy, cat and Michelle all flipped VT; I'm VT. Would there be 3 1x use roles in a game this size? I wouldn't expect there to be any nightly powers (other than the wolf kill), but then, I don't have much experience in a game this small.

LP was pretty much the only person (except Wilgy) who mostly seemed to be engaging with me in good faith; they seemed to actually want to know why I said certain things as opposed to just making assumptions, especially after I got defensive (which was pretty much out of the gate). LP and Wilgy both felt like they were trying to solve, not just wave pitchforks around (and in retrospect, cat WAS giving me BOTD, which i read as wolf TMI, sorry cat), and you, Sean, weren't really there when I was, so we never really interacted.

Everyone else felt a tad "rabble rabble" to me.

I have to reread after errands.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:06 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:57 am
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:31 am 1) It's painfully obvious how Cat died.
I wasn't very present for D1 and was sleep deprived when I was, so I don't know what happened either. Feel free to explain, if it's painfully obvious enough that everyone else knows.
I telegraphed quite heavily that I was going to be executing Cat day 1 in hopes that if Cat flipped Mafia if there was a Doc they would know to be on me. Vigilante obviously understood, otherwise they might have attempted to shoot into the Cat wagon.

I put things more clearly though. There was no votes for S~V~S yesterday. I was the only player Day 1 with any voting power.

Obviously I did missfire slightly, but I think we can all be given 1 free pass a game. I still standby my decision though, Cat was top of my wolf reads, and Epignosis voting off of Guillotine at the end makes them seem like wolf partners together. So I do thin kit was a successful use of my ability in the end.

OK.

When I got back to thread (sorry for missing evenings 2 days in a row) and saw that I had the most votes, and I was not yeeted, I just assumed I was being set up to be the distraction, keeping the discussion on me one more day. Because it would be an easy assumption to make that woof SVS would do that, and I assumed everyone else would make it. I mean, I got shaded for not wanting to yeet the guy who role claimed.

I was all ready to come in here and tell y'all to just vote me (again) and spend the day talking about which way to turn when I flip vt since there is no hammer and the day still is 48 hours.

So, grateful you claimed here. I wasn't looking forward to being alive tbh.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:22 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:16 pm All right, Guillo is now ahead of me now. I'll vote for cat rather than making a vanity vote as I would prefer not to yeet him.

[VOTE: cat] aubergine
This is kinda LAMIST @Michelle

What do you think?

If you wanna take it that way

All right, Guillo is now ahead of me now. I'll vote for cat rather than making a vanity vote as I would prefer not to yeet him.

[VOTE: cat] aubergine

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:10 pm You accused me of a shade.

What was the shade?

i said this yesterday, it was more of an eyeroll than a shade. i thought you were poking me for calling me aggro when you said to someone else, "Let's fight". I kinda thought you were mocking me, that was the way I meant shade. Not like suspicion so much as mocking me. That's why I was so surprised when "OMG SVS is bad she called Michelle aggro" took off, becasue i thought YOU didn't take it seriously.

But whatever. I don't think you were aggro. It just kinda felt that way at the time.

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:30 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:54 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:20 am If I recall correctly, all that's left of Ozymandias is an inscribed pedestal and his feet, right? Maybe I'll save the despair for some other game.

This is an awkward start time for me, I'm unlikely to be here EOD. I guess I expected overnight catchup to be more time consuming. I should have time to watch the video instead.
I do not mind this sort of entrance post. I think the word "instead" is weird, but I think I get it.

Instead of using my limited time to catch up to lots of posts, I'll have time to watch the video instead. "Weird" isn't "bad".

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?
Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.
Nothing wrong with this post in a vacuum either.

In context, I think Michelle's question is a little too much to take seriously. Michelle has played a long time and even said of playing with S~V~S: "Yes, of course. Many times but I never counted."

I believe Michelle would know the number is "two" and never one or three.

The question and answer happened so quickly together.

I think a civilian S~V~S would have waited it out to see how others would have responded to Michelle's question before weighing in (or responding at all). It's such a softball interaction.

I thought she was trying to spark up some conversation. So I made conversation. It is softball; why would I care what others think, and it surprises me that you think I would. *BAD* me would care. Town me says what I have to say and hits "Post".

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:20 am LP
Seanzie
Cat
Epi
SVS
MR
Michelle
Guillo
I get why Guillo, but why Michelle? I don’t associate snap votes with bad Michelle, do you think she’s bussing him?
I sense a moment of panic here.

The tactic is to try to clear a teammate on the back of someone else's lynch. If Guillotine (who has the most votes) is a civilian, then obviously Michelle couldn't be "bussing" him.

More importantly, I don't see S~V~S trying to understand DrWilgy's other colors. No questions about me (I certainly have done nothing to warrant being green) or anybody else. This means that S~V~S isn't trying to understand DrWilgy, which means S~V~S already knows DrWilgy is not mafia.

Panic? I was asking him to expand on his reads. Which is what people do. This whole post so far feels like youre reading into what I'm saying *trying* to find a reason to suspect me.

Asking a person to explain their reads is EXACTLY trying to understand his colors, and I had no questions about the rest of the list. I think I have a fairly good feel for Wilgy most of the time, but i've been spectacularly wrong (see: Meta) so sorting Wilgy is important to me. Besides, as an old school player, you know I'm more interested in peoples baddie reads than their town reads.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:28 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?
Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.
Why would be 3 unbalanced?
With only 10 players? That’s almost a third of the players list?

His Solar System game had 11 players, 2 mafia. With fewer players more wolves seems unlikely?

This is rather a debatable point to get aggro about?
I don't understand this at all. At what point was Michelle getting "aggro?"

I already explained this (@cat this is why I keep talking about it ^^). The way she answered me was very staccato, and felt challenging to me. "Aggro" was a word choice, i could have chosen others, that was the one I chose. That's how it felt to me. She threw the thread a speculation softball, I picked it up and tossed it back, and she threw it back harder than I would have expected.

I'm not sure what there is to "Understand at all".

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:39 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:28 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?
Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.
Why would be 3 unbalanced?
With only 10 players? That’s almost a third of the players list?

His Solar System game had 11 players, 2 mafia. With fewer players more wolves seems unlikely?

This is rather a debatable point to get aggro about?
Did I put enough question marks in this ^^? Maybe I need a few more?

@DrWilgy mathematical balance is not my strong suit; I was working on the premise that he wouldn’t have more wolves than in a game with more players than this. Hopefully he chooses to tell us, but if not, not.
Nothing wrong with this, but quoting it for later.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:44 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:29 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:27 am Actually Michelle is wolfing

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I dont believe you question how 3 wolves would be unbalanced in a game with 10 players
2 is a bit town sided.

Fight me, I am bored ^^
@falcon45ca even she thought she was sounding a bit aggro ^^ eh?

Although she might have been shading me, she made this post after the one I made implying she was sounding a tad aggro.
Good S~V~S engages with Michelle to find out what Michelle meant rather than talking to someone else about it and then assigning her own meaning to Michelle's post.

Not sure what you are saying here? Right after I made the aggro remark, she asked someone if they wanted to fight lol. I am kinda perplexed as to why this whole thing is so suspect, tbh,

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:51 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:48 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:44 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:29 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:27 am Actually Michelle is wolfing

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I dont believe you question how 3 wolves would be unbalanced in a game with 10 players
2 is a bit town sided.

Fight me, I am bored ^^
@falcon45ca even she thought she was sounding a bit aggro ^^ eh?

Although she might have been shading me, she made this post after the one I made implying she was sounding a tad aggro.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?
Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.
Why would be 3 unbalanced?
@S~V~S is this the post you are referring to as shade in?
No the one I quoted, where she said “fight me” to someone else since she said that after I called her aggro lol

More making fun than shading, maybe like :P

That was: Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:51 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:00 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:50 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:44 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:29 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:27 am Actually Michelle is wolfing

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I dont believe you question how 3 wolves would be unbalanced in a game with 10 players
2 is a bit town sided.

Fight me, I am bored ^^
@falcon45ca even she thought she was sounding a bit aggro ^^ eh?

Although she might have been shading me, she made this post after the one I made implying she was sounding a tad aggro.

@Michelle Are you aggro?

We all have heard players say 'fight me I'm bored', and we've all seen players actually get aggro....the two are not the same

SVS is making mountains of molehills

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine
Am I?

I don't intend to. I have no idea how that is an aggression.

The ^^ is an emote sign, similar to so for me it had a joking tone.
That was: Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:00 am

Nine minutes later.

I noted multiple "^^" in S~V~S's posts. They just stood out to me. It's almost like an inside joke between Michelle and S~V~S knowing they don't have a chance in this game, so screw it, have fun. I believe S~V~S is gassed as mafia. I believe Michelle doesn't like to be mafia.

Read my iso. I use that ALL THE TIME. Especially if I'm posting on phone when pulling quotes is too much of a PITA. But even when I'm not.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:54 am @falcon45ca nah

You’re reading too much into one word. I’ve noticed you tend to do this with me.

Do you think Michelle is town?
I don't know what word S~V~S is referring to. She doesn't say. Again, there's nothing to figure falcon out and a weird question about Michelle.

It was not a weird question. He was voting me based on my reaction to something Michelle said, so i was interested in his opinion of her. And in the Emperors Soul game, Falcon suspected me based on my word usage. He was wrong, we were both town, and that is what I was referencing here. I'm fairly sure he should have gotten my reference.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:35 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:58 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:54 am @falcon45ca nah

You’re reading too much into one word. I’ve noticed you tend to do this with me.

Do you think Michelle is town?
I mean, I kinda saw it too.

I think assumption of aggro from Michelle was somewhat overplaced, I do think W's are immediately more aware or easier to perceive pushes against them. i.e. aggro.
The staccato way she said it felt almost accusatory to me, it’s how I read her tone, I’m a tone reader

It’s not something I necessarily associate with bad Michelle (for me my bad Michelle reference point was Anni, where she was not aggro). This was more an observation as I was a bit taken aback by how she got in my face over it. She asked a throwaway question (unless the host clarifies, who knows?) I gave a throwaway answer (again, who knows?) and she got in my face about it.

In the last game I played with town Falcon he susses town me for word choice. I mean, this is all over one word which tbh I still find valid in the context in which I used it.

In any case I don’t think I’m the one mountain/molehilling.

@LinearPoint havent read your post just kinda skimmed, I’ll get back to you after work.
I believe S~V~S and Michelle are mafia.
Yikes. Replies intext in glowy

Personally, I do not think she is bad. If she is she changed up her game alot. My town touchstone for Michelle was Anni; there she was evasive, avoided discussion or giving opinions. She was slippery, and had a "heh heh" feel to her that was absent in any of the town games I have seen her play. It is absent here.

I am kinda astounded that this is the most suspicious thing people are finding. That I made a word choice that was perhaps not the best word choice, and I'm getting raked over the coals for it now. the fact that you think I would faux banter or set up faux suspish with a teammate tells me you don't understand my game at all.

This post is such a stretch, especially from you, that I'm fairly sure you're town, too. Because, like me, I don't see you making up something like this Day One.

I still have to read Linear Points big post, and unless it's more of this ^^^, looks like I spent most of my catch up time on this absurdity.

Sorry to call your post absurd, you obvs put alot of work into it (and you know I would never think *you* are absurd), but name one game you've seen me act like this when I was bad?

@falcon45ca You want to see making mountains out of molehills? Take a look at this ^^

@Michelle , I did reply to all those points this AM, here is the post (It's Epis post again, I replied in line with glowy text. I spoilered it, it's a huge post.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:03 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:01 pm Epi: SVS and Michelle are scum
SVS: Epi and Michelle are scum

?
I feel like you're trying to imply something here, but it's NAI for 2 people to sus each other and a similar person.

Epis post felt to me like he was trying to set Michelle up for a town clear, from my perspective of knowing I'm town. But I could be 100% left field. You know, I think A & B are bad, imma vote for B. Then B flips town, "Oh I was wrong, A must also be town". kinda thing.

I've done that with packmates when i was a wolf, I'm sure most of us have. A feel, not anything more. Of the two, I still feel more icky about Epi for sure.

Cause right now we're tied.

Also i'd rather not yeet Guillo. If y'all aren't going to yeet me, I'd like to try to agree on someone if possible. I can move to cat if that's what's needed.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 5:50 pm [VOTE: Cat] aubergine

SvS feels like Dead Air, Dead Villager

I feel like dead air.

I'll vote Epi for now, I'll be back after dinner, I'll skip the couch tonight. So I'll [VOTE: Epi] aubergine.

linki @Michelle thanks for the reply, I'll read it. Appreciated, you understand why I got pushy about it?? I explained it up there ^^^ (heh) it almost felt to me like Epi was setting up a preemptive town clear of you, it felt TMI to me, and whether or not you were associated with that

It just felt to me like a way for him to say, after I died, "Well I guess I must be wrong about Michelle too". kinda thing.

lol Don't flip wolf ha ha

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 5:32 pm Ya know what?

[VOTE: cat] aubergine

That one post, where she was like, "Gee I wonder why people are voting for SVS" that sounded a bit TMI to me, yeah, like she knew I would flip town. So I could see this vote, although the rest of her posts seem fairly nuanced to me. (Do you know how hard it is for me when quoting you to NOT delete some of those spaces in your post lol).

@LinearPoint lol, I asked you who you'd suspect when I specifically flip wolf. You listed me in your list, so maybe I wasn't clear about that. What do you think town would learn from my very vanilla death? Who looks bad from me flipping town?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:34 pm SVS pleaee vote

When you posted this there were 7.5 more hours in the poll. I will. What's the rush?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 5:26 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 5:19 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:58 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:53 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:50 pm @S~V~S Do you believe Guillotine's Parity Cop claim?

If so, who do prefer to be your counterwagon?
This question is so weird. I think I know the answer because she implied it, but why do you asked about her choice for CV instead asking for her reads?
I'm just a interested in who exactly SVS would kill if not Guillotine. It's useful for if she flips wolf.
You had asked earlier why, if I wolf read Guillo, I didn't vote for him. First, I didn't wolf read him, I said he looked Wolfier in comparison to another person, but that doesn't mean he's a wolf. I read wolfy to people who don't know me, like you for instance. Second, I came up without changeable votes, so you could only vote once, so I tend to take my vote more seriously, although i do move it and have occasionally made pressure votes. But I tend not to vote unless I feel someone is bad more so than I think that about other people.

I have no reason to disbelieve Guillos claim. I don't see the point of claiming on Day one, so I will take it at face value.

I won't be flipping wolf. But I'm considering a vote for Epi.

When i flip town, what will you take from that, and who will you think were the wolves (if any) who voted for me?
Sorry I mistook your saying that Guillo was wolfier as a wolf suspicion.

I did notice you mentioned you didn't think Epi's case on you would come form a wolf or a town. is there a particular part of that post that made you unsure of Epi's perspective or just the whole thing was "a stretch" as you put it (in #256)? Actually on that note, what about it was a stretch in your opinion?

I think I was pretty clear and I went into detail when I replied to him.

I waffle on this. Epi and i go back over ten years in Mafia. He is like me in that I can pick town Epi out better than I can pick bad Epi out. I think he knows town SVS when he sees her, and it almost feels like he's concocting that story, it feels like BS, it feels like he had a premise, and he made up a story to support it.

But knowing Epi, I don't know that I see him doing this as a wolf, either. So I'm conflicted. Like I said earlier, I'm fairly OMGUSsed up right now. And of my early voters, Falcon has done what here to me before, and he sounds pretty towny to me overall. You have never seen me, and people new to me suspect me all the time. I'm used to it. So you suspecting me is fair, I can see it.

Epi not so much. I'm going to do some more reading. I might vote elsewhere, I don't think it matters where I vote since I plan on taking Guillos claim at face value, and only planned on voting for him before that if I was sure he was bad, which i wasn't. I wasn't sure he was town, either, but not enough to vote on it.

You haven't said who you'll be looking at when I flip town.

Linki @LP I thought that was clear? It almost felt to me like Epi putting me and Michelle together in that post yet voting for me was setting Michelle up to be cleared when I flip town. I feel more sure about him, though, than her. And I dislike making associative cases when neither person has flipped. So I'm trying to get her to tell me what she liked about the post where she was also accused, and also to give me a read on Epi. i haven't read the whole thread, though, work was a shitshow today, and I could have missed it.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:26 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:15 pm I mean , your reaction to it at the time, you really seemed to like it.
Yes but to do the effort to reread it at 11:30 pm only to explain you why I liked it seems like you want me to focus on that and I don't see the usefulness because it doesn't change my read on you.

Well, I don't see how anyone can like that case. And you seemed to like the points about me quite a bit, and I don't quite understand why. So I'd like you to tell me, I'm gonna be yeeted, I'd like the courtesy of an explanation. Especially since he linked us in it. So if I were to flip bad (spoiler, I won't) that won't look so great for you. Here it is, if that helps; just a quick couple of words on what he said about me that seems so bad to you.

Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:54 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:20 am If I recall correctly, all that's left of Ozymandias is an inscribed pedestal and his feet, right? Maybe I'll save the despair for some other game.

This is an awkward start time for me, I'm unlikely to be here EOD. I guess I expected overnight catchup to be more time consuming. I should have time to watch the video instead.
I do not mind this sort of entrance post. I think the word "instead" is weird, but I think I get it.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?
Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.
Nothing wrong with this post in a vacuum either.

In context, I think Michelle's question is a little too much to take seriously. Michelle has played a long time and even said of playing with S~V~S: "Yes, of course. Many times but I never counted."

I believe Michelle would know the number is "two" and never one or three.

The question and answer happened so quickly together.

I think a civilian S~V~S would have waited it out to see how others would have responded to Michelle's question before weighing in (or responding at all). It's such a softball interaction.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:20 am LP
Seanzie
Cat
Epi
SVS
MR
Michelle
Guillo
I get why Guillo, but why Michelle? I don’t associate snap votes with bad Michelle, do you think she’s bussing him?
I sense a moment of panic here.

The tactic is to try to clear a teammate on the back of someone else's lynch. If Guillotine (who has the most votes) is a civilian, then obviously Michelle couldn't be "bussing" him.

More importantly, I don't see S~V~S trying to understand DrWilgy's other colors. No questions about me (I certainly have done nothing to warrant being green) or anybody else. This means that S~V~S isn't trying to understand DrWilgy, which means S~V~S already knows DrWilgy is not mafia.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:28 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?
Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.
Why would be 3 unbalanced?
With only 10 players? That’s almost a third of the players list?

His Solar System game had 11 players, 2 mafia. With fewer players more wolves seems unlikely?

This is rather a debatable point to get aggro about?
I don't understand this at all. At what point was Michelle getting "aggro?"

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:39 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:28 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?
Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.
Why would be 3 unbalanced?
With only 10 players? That’s almost a third of the players list?

His Solar System game had 11 players, 2 mafia. With fewer players more wolves seems unlikely?

This is rather a debatable point to get aggro about?
Did I put enough question marks in this ^^? Maybe I need a few more?

@DrWilgy mathematical balance is not my strong suit; I was working on the premise that he wouldn’t have more wolves than in a game with more players than this. Hopefully he chooses to tell us, but if not, not.
Nothing wrong with this, but quoting it for later.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:44 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:29 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:27 am Actually Michelle is wolfing

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I dont believe you question how 3 wolves would be unbalanced in a game with 10 players
2 is a bit town sided.

Fight me, I am bored ^^
@falcon45ca even she thought she was sounding a bit aggro ^^ eh?

Although she might have been shading me, she made this post after the one I made implying she was sounding a tad aggro.
Good S~V~S engages with Michelle to find out what Michelle meant rather than talking to someone else about it and then assigning her own meaning to Michelle's post.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:51 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:48 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:44 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:29 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:27 am Actually Michelle is wolfing

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I dont believe you question how 3 wolves would be unbalanced in a game with 10 players
2 is a bit town sided.

Fight me, I am bored ^^
@falcon45ca even she thought she was sounding a bit aggro ^^ eh?

Although she might have been shading me, she made this post after the one I made implying she was sounding a tad aggro.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?
Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.
Why would be 3 unbalanced?
@S~V~S is this the post you are referring to as shade in?
No the one I quoted, where she said “fight me” to someone else since she said that after I called her aggro lol

More making fun than shading, maybe like :P

That was: Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:51 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:00 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:50 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:44 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:29 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:27 am Actually Michelle is wolfing

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I dont believe you question how 3 wolves would be unbalanced in a game with 10 players
2 is a bit town sided.

Fight me, I am bored ^^
@falcon45ca even she thought she was sounding a bit aggro ^^ eh?

Although she might have been shading me, she made this post after the one I made implying she was sounding a tad aggro.

@Michelle Are you aggro?

We all have heard players say 'fight me I'm bored', and we've all seen players actually get aggro....the two are not the same

SVS is making mountains of molehills

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine
Am I?

I don't intend to. I have no idea how that is an aggression.

The ^^ is an emote sign, similar to so for me it had a joking tone.
That was: Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:00 am

Nine minutes later.

I noted multiple "^^" in S~V~S's posts. They just stood out to me. It's almost like an inside joke between Michelle and S~V~S knowing they don't have a chance in this game, so screw it, have fun. I believe S~V~S is gassed as mafia. I believe Michelle doesn't like to be mafia.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:54 am @falcon45ca nah

You’re reading too much into one word. I’ve noticed you tend to do this with me.

Do you think Michelle is town?
I don't know what word S~V~S is referring to. She doesn't say. Again, there's nothing to figure falcon out and a weird question about Michelle.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:35 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:58 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:54 am @falcon45ca nah

You’re reading too much into one word. I’ve noticed you tend to do this with me.

Do you think Michelle is town?
I mean, I kinda saw it too.

I think assumption of aggro from Michelle was somewhat overplaced, I do think W's are immediately more aware or easier to perceive pushes against them. i.e. aggro.
The staccato way she said it felt almost accusatory to me, it’s how I read her tone, I’m a tone reader

It’s not something I necessarily associate with bad Michelle (for me my bad Michelle reference point was Anni, where she was not aggro). This was more an observation as I was a bit taken aback by how she got in my face over it. She asked a throwaway question (unless the host clarifies, who knows?) I gave a throwaway answer (again, who knows?) and she got in my face about it.

In the last game I played with town Falcon he susses town me for word choice. I mean, this is all over one word which tbh I still find valid in the context in which I used it.

In any case I don’t think I’m the one mountain/molehilling.

@LinearPoint havent read your post just kinda skimmed, I’ll get back to you after work.
I believe S~V~S and Michelle are mafia.

And I'm going to vote. What's the big rush? There's no hammer iirc. And I'm not planning ov voting for Guillo.

*The point of FAKE claiming

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:58 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:53 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:50 pm @S~V~S Do you believe Guillotine's Parity Cop claim?

If so, who do prefer to be your counterwagon?
This question is so weird. I think I know the answer because she implied it, but why do you asked about her choice for CV instead asking for her reads?
I'm just a interested in who exactly SVS would kill if not Guillotine. It's useful for if she flips wolf.

You had asked earlier why, if I wolf read Guillo, I didn't vote for him. First, I didn't wolf read him, I said he looked Wolfier in comparison to another person, but that doesn't mean he's a wolf. I read wolfy to people who don't know me, like you for instance. Second, I came up without changeable votes, so you could only vote once, so I tend to take my vote more seriously, although i do move it and have occasionally made pressure votes. But I tend not to vote unless I feel someone is bad more so than I think that about other people.

I have no reason to disbelieve Guillos claim. I don't see the point of claiming on Day one, so I will take it at face value.

I won't be flipping wolf. But I'm considering a vote for Epi.

When i flip town, what will you take from that, and who will you think were the wolves (if any) who voted for me?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:15 pm Oh and SVS pops in. Awkward.

Just promise me to seriously look into those who pushed sus at me, and who might have benefitted from me flipping civ.

It seems almost everyone has proposed me as a teammate for almost everyone. When I flip don’t clear anyone, ok?

I mean , your reaction to it at the time, you really seemed to like it.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:15 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:25 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:29 am Reading Epi's case I agreed with it regarding SVS but honestly the idea he thinks I am paired with her made me laugh.

So I use ^^ instead big green to not search for it and this is a habit I have since I talked daily with my honies about what the next Naruto chapter will be about, and also I know the words of many emojis because searching them is a pain on phone, and someone else abuse the ^^ sign and tadaaa! we are partners?

No sir, we are not partners, except she is town, wiich I doubt.
Which parts did you agree with?
I forgot because a whole work day passed since but I remember I nodded reading it

Can you humor me and look at it again? I want to know what specific baddie behaviors of mine which he pointed out that you agreed with.

@DrWilgy Like LP said some similar things, and I get it I take sus from people who don’t know me often. I don’t question their take on me. My town game tends to be chaotic and many/most read that as wolfy.

This is why I’m waffling on Epi. I can’t imagine him making this case Day One as a baddie. But I’m having troubles seeing him make it as town either.

from a town perspective, taking me out of discussion wouldn’t be the worst thing. I’ll just be a distraction going forward. I’m kinda OMGUSsed right now and don’t know how useful I’ll be anyhow.

Linki, oh sure anyone can comment on snything. But that specific remark was mostly aimed at Epi. That post seemed like more nitpicking than I expect from Day One Epi.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:06 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:30 am I am kinda astounded that this is the most suspicious thing people are finding. That I made a word choice that was perhaps not the best word choice, and I'm getting raked over the coals for it now. the fact that you think I would faux banter or set up faux suspish with a teammate tells me you don't understand my game at all.
we have several low posters, is it actually that astounding? by the nature of the players who are present mid-high posting, everyone will find things to see as towny (correct or not).

This is cut from my reply to Epi right?

I don’t think it’s surprising for many of the people playing this game; I think it’s surprising from Epi.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:25 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:23 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:19 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:11 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:03 am And just like that DrWilgy goes away from a real time convo with me.

Chicken lol
Some of us have better things to do than entertain you Guillo.
More than resolving your alleged pair of Guillo/SvS? Tsk tsk tsk
yeah, I'd say reading two pages of a 7 page game and actually parsing the data there is somewhat important. Then I get to go back to work.

If info within those pages changes the Guillo/SvS pairing fine, but otherwise we sleepy boi hours.
Ok, i think SvS is paired with you, you think SvS is paired with me, wouldnt make more sense to just kill the common factor here but instead you choose to counterwagon me?

I’m not paired with either one of you, but based on this discussion Guillo looks worse than Wilgy to me.

Wilgy is making sense from a Wilgy world perdoective, whereas Guillo just wants to yeet”not himself”.

At this point I’m mainly a distraction, and town may learn most from yeeting me.

From reading back to Michelle’s reaction to Epis case, I had the thought that a yeet of me might be used by Michelle and:or Epi to clear her.

Because his whole case feels made up to me, from my perspective as town. So I might reverse the town reads I had on Michelle and the thought that his case made him town, too, cause I didn’t see it as something bad Epi would do. But Michelle’s reaction to it, I dunno.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:26 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:16 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:59 am
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:52 am @DrWilgy or @falcon45ca Something I am curious about.

Falcon mentioned that they think SVS was muddying the waters by saying Michelle was being too aggro on Guillotine. Since WIlgy said they agreed with falcon and explained the reason for the sus better I figured I would ask you both.

If SVS is actually a wolf here, do either of you think that would imply Guillotine is wolf as well? Does it mean that you think Michelle is town for being shaded?
SVS/Guillo has nothing to dissuade from a W/W pairing.

Michelle town adds scum equity to both.

What I find most interesting about SVS/Guillo pairing is that in spite of Guillo's opposition to mechanical discourse, there's been no interaction with SVS who is partaking IN said mechanical discourse and has data/reads from that mechanical discourse.
When i said we should stop speculating about mechanical i meant it for everyone it applied to.
Ok, but the core of the argument is that you didn't interact with SVS specifically when the discussion warranted it and thus you are viable W/W. This doesn't change that.

You guys are talking like this is a done deal and I’ve flipped bad. It’s not, and I’m not.

I interacted with almost no one since I was barely in the thread and had only made a few posts when I started taking suspish and getting defensive. So if he is wolf, it’s with someone else, not me.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:39 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:56 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:50 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:22 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:04 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:23 am [VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

See y'all tomorrow.
I agree with Sean

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine
Why?
Keep reading, there's the explanation of how I saw Guillo not helping town by that
Do you have any thoughts on anyone else besides Guillotine?
Yes, I do have.
I posted a reads list.
Wilgy has a good tone when talking to Falcon and Guillo, and also shared a good amount of content, Falcon is focused on solving which is a villagery point. I don't know you but the way you're nitpicking the things seems like you search for the truth not for agenda.

Cat was funny, Sean voted first, Epi was cool, I would like to give them a town lean for each

SVS, I am waiting for her answer.

Did I miss anyone?
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:56 pm
I think your sus on them is not all that strong, especially when the day started as people were going to sleep.
Although with that note, I do want to hear your thoughts on this post. Since you said you didn't like that Guillotine was not creating content, yet they came out later and said they were trying to rille people up to talk about Guillotine. Seems contradictory to your original sus read, so I was wonder if you have changed it, found a new reason to sus Guillotine, or have work that post into your previous world view of Guillotine.
Now that you make me think at it:
His claimed intention is not contradictory with my perception at all.
He said he acted like that for content but he has no conclusion based on that, except I am a wolf because allegedly I should know a heist game have 2 mafia in 10 players and if I suspect there can be 3 then I have unclear intentions to switch the thread to mech talks, so I am his suspect.
I think he talked more than I did about mechanics in his posts against me and he didn't post conclusions based on his 'test' which comes in contradiction with it being a real test.

What answer? I missed the @, can you bump it for me?

Also @Michelle why specifically do you doubt I’m town?

Other than Epis case?

How does this compare to other games where you’ve seen me wolf?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:29 am Reading Epi's case I agreed with it regarding SVS but honestly the idea he thinks I am paired with her made me laugh.

So I use ^^ instead big green to not search for it and this is a habit I have since I talked daily with my honies about what the next Naruto chapter will be about, and also I know the words of many emojis because searching them is a pain on phone, and someone else abuse the ^^ sign and tadaaa! we are partners?

No sir, we are not partners, except she is town, wiich I doubt.

Which parts did you agree with?

OK, I did a quick skim of Guillos last dozen or so posts, and he doesn't seem particularly bad to me. I am not agreeing with what he's saying (obvs) but he's saying it in an open way.

I see Wilgy voted for him, and Wilgy has recent bad Guillo experience, so i want to see his opinion there, so I'll try to read back on them at work today. hasta la vista folks.

*"My wolf touchstone for Michelle" in the reply to Epi*

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:17 am I am not liking what I am reading from S~V~S so far.

This post is basically just meaningless fluff that doesn't even realistically contribute to anything.
Spoiler: show
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?
Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.
100% Meaningless fluff. Like almost 100% of the game posts made before it.

Pair that last post with this one and I think there is a solid argument that S~V~S is trying to comment on the setup while sidestepping other topics. This is doubly so since by the point of this second post the Guillotine and Michelle situation was starting to develop.
Spoiler: show
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:28 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?
Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.
Why would be 3 unbalanced?
With only 10 players? That’s almost a third of the players list?

His Solar System game had 11 players, 2 mafia. With fewer players more wolves seems unlikely?

This is rather a debatable point to get aggro about?
What other topics? At this stage, I don't recall there being any other topics. She asked a question (I assume) to start discussion, I answered it for samesies.

Then I found this post to also ping me a bit. I find it weird they drop the Guillotine suspicious read in there, but were not one of the people voting on Guillotine. Then they also drop a good read on MIchelle while (in my opinion) also shading them as potentially bussing Guillotine. Which I do think it is also just odd to bring up bussing this early into the game.
Spoiler: show
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:20 am LP
Seanzie
Cat
Epi
SVS
MR
Michelle
Guillo
I get why Guillo, but why Michelle? I don’t associate snap votes with bad Michelle, do you think she’s bussing him?
I got why Guillo, becasue three people in a row voted for him for his boredom remark. Epi also found my commenting on only the bottom of the list sus. I understand it more from you; we've never played together. I'm not overly concerned with other peoples town reads, but I want to understand why they suspect someone. Especially someone like Wilgy, whose thought process is so so different than mine. What they are seeing that I am not. This is how town works together.

This last one is probably just me being paranoid, but these few posts are reading to me as a wolf who is trying to go with the nice guy approach and trying to talk people down by being overly non-agressive.
Spoiler: show
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:39 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:28 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?
Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.
Why would be 3 unbalanced?
With only 10 players? That’s almost a third of the players list?

His Solar System game had 11 players, 2 mafia. With fewer players more wolves seems unlikely?

This is rather a debatable point to get aggro about?
Did I put enough question marks in this ^^? Maybe I need a few more?

@DrWilgy mathematical balance is not my strong suit; I was working on the premise that he wouldn’t have more wolves than in a game with more players than this. Hopefully he chooses to tell us, but if not, not.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:54 am @falcon45ca nah

You’re reading too much into one word. I’ve noticed you tend to do this with me.

Do you think Michelle is town?
[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

I used to be fairly aggro myself when town, and when I was getting NKed night one all the time, I dirtied up my town game a bit (which is easier imo than trying to play a more aggro game when wolf), so i always try to be non aggressive when possible. Also as a site mod, it's a good practice to try not to be the person other people complain about. So I try to pull back for that reason, too. I am already kinda regretting calling Epis post "absurd" for instance. It's not a good look to talk about peoples thoughts that way.

Again, I think all of this is silly, suspecting me for using the work aggro when other people did not find that post aggro. Becasue that is what ALL of this boils down to.

When I looked in yesterday, I saw that Guillo had voted for me, then I saw he moved away iirc, now I see hes back. This was the behavior I recall from him in the game I modded where he was bad, he bounced around alot, didn't stick to suspicions in order to avoid aggravating anyone. It was good baddie play. Not sure if he's doing that here in general, or just did it with me, I've only had time this AM to address suspicions on me. I have the day from hell at work today with a meeting I'm not looking forward to, but hope to read back. In any case should have several hours after work. He's my main opposing wagon, but I won't vote for him unless i actually find him suspect.

I am actually OK being yeeted if it comes down to that, y'all will get some info from that.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:54 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:20 am If I recall correctly, all that's left of Ozymandias is an inscribed pedestal and his feet, right? Maybe I'll save the despair for some other game.

This is an awkward start time for me, I'm unlikely to be here EOD. I guess I expected overnight catchup to be more time consuming. I should have time to watch the video instead.
I do not mind this sort of entrance post. I think the word "instead" is weird, but I think I get it.

Instead of using my limited time to catch up to lots of posts, I'll have time to watch the video instead. "Weird" isn't "bad".

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?
Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.
Nothing wrong with this post in a vacuum either.

In context, I think Michelle's question is a little too much to take seriously. Michelle has played a long time and even said of playing with S~V~S: "Yes, of course. Many times but I never counted."

I believe Michelle would know the number is "two" and never one or three.

The question and answer happened so quickly together.

I think a civilian S~V~S would have waited it out to see how others would have responded to Michelle's question before weighing in (or responding at all). It's such a softball interaction.

I thought she was trying to spark up some conversation. So I made conversation. It is softball; why would I care what others think, and it surprises me that you think I would. *BAD* me would care. Town me says what I have to say and hits "Post".

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:20 am LP
Seanzie
Cat
Epi
SVS
MR
Michelle
Guillo
I get why Guillo, but why Michelle? I don’t associate snap votes with bad Michelle, do you think she’s bussing him?
I sense a moment of panic here.

The tactic is to try to clear a teammate on the back of someone else's lynch. If Guillotine (who has the most votes) is a civilian, then obviously Michelle couldn't be "bussing" him.

More importantly, I don't see S~V~S trying to understand DrWilgy's other colors. No questions about me (I certainly have done nothing to warrant being green) or anybody else. This means that S~V~S isn't trying to understand DrWilgy, which means S~V~S already knows DrWilgy is not mafia.

Panic? I was asking him to expand on his reads. Which is what people do. This whole post so far feels like youre reading into what I'm saying *trying* to find a reason to suspect me.

Asking a person to explain their reads is EXACTLY trying to understand his colors, and I had no questions about the rest of the list. I think I have a fairly good feel for Wilgy most of the time, but i've been spectacularly wrong (see: Meta) so sorting Wilgy is important to me. Besides, as an old school player, you know I'm more interested in peoples baddie reads than their town reads.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:28 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?
Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.
Why would be 3 unbalanced?
With only 10 players? That’s almost a third of the players list?

His Solar System game had 11 players, 2 mafia. With fewer players more wolves seems unlikely?

This is rather a debatable point to get aggro about?
I don't understand this at all. At what point was Michelle getting "aggro?"

I already explained this (@cat this is why I keep talking about it ^^). The way she answered me was very staccato, and felt challenging to me. "Aggro" was a word choice, i could have chosen others, that was the one I chose. That's how it felt to me. She threw the thread a speculation softball, I picked it up and tossed it back, and she threw it back harder than I would have expected.

I'm not sure what there is to "Understand at all".

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:39 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:28 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?
Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.
Why would be 3 unbalanced?
With only 10 players? That’s almost a third of the players list?

His Solar System game had 11 players, 2 mafia. With fewer players more wolves seems unlikely?

This is rather a debatable point to get aggro about?
Did I put enough question marks in this ^^? Maybe I need a few more?

@DrWilgy mathematical balance is not my strong suit; I was working on the premise that he wouldn’t have more wolves than in a game with more players than this. Hopefully he chooses to tell us, but if not, not.
Nothing wrong with this, but quoting it for later.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:44 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:29 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:27 am Actually Michelle is wolfing

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I dont believe you question how 3 wolves would be unbalanced in a game with 10 players
2 is a bit town sided.

Fight me, I am bored ^^
@falcon45ca even she thought she was sounding a bit aggro ^^ eh?

Although she might have been shading me, she made this post after the one I made implying she was sounding a tad aggro.
Good S~V~S engages with Michelle to find out what Michelle meant rather than talking to someone else about it and then assigning her own meaning to Michelle's post.

Not sure what you are saying here? Right after I made the aggro remark, she asked someone if they wanted to fight lol. I am kinda perplexed as to why this whole thing is so suspect, tbh,

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:51 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:48 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:44 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:29 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:27 am Actually Michelle is wolfing

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I dont believe you question how 3 wolves would be unbalanced in a game with 10 players
2 is a bit town sided.

Fight me, I am bored ^^
@falcon45ca even she thought she was sounding a bit aggro ^^ eh?

Although she might have been shading me, she made this post after the one I made implying she was sounding a tad aggro.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?
Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.
Why would be 3 unbalanced?
@S~V~S is this the post you are referring to as shade in?
No the one I quoted, where she said “fight me” to someone else since she said that after I called her aggro lol

More making fun than shading, maybe like :P

That was: Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:51 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:00 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:50 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:44 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:29 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:27 am Actually Michelle is wolfing

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I dont believe you question how 3 wolves would be unbalanced in a game with 10 players
2 is a bit town sided.

Fight me, I am bored ^^
@falcon45ca even she thought she was sounding a bit aggro ^^ eh?

Although she might have been shading me, she made this post after the one I made implying she was sounding a tad aggro.

@Michelle Are you aggro?

We all have heard players say 'fight me I'm bored', and we've all seen players actually get aggro....the two are not the same

SVS is making mountains of molehills

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine
Am I?

I don't intend to. I have no idea how that is an aggression.

The ^^ is an emote sign, similar to so for me it had a joking tone.
That was: Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:00 am

Nine minutes later.

I noted multiple "^^" in S~V~S's posts. They just stood out to me. It's almost like an inside joke between Michelle and S~V~S knowing they don't have a chance in this game, so screw it, have fun. I believe S~V~S is gassed as mafia. I believe Michelle doesn't like to be mafia.

Read my iso. I use that ALL THE TIME. Especially if I'm posting on phone when pulling quotes is too much of a PITA. But even when I'm not.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:54 am @falcon45ca nah

You’re reading too much into one word. I’ve noticed you tend to do this with me.

Do you think Michelle is town?
I don't know what word S~V~S is referring to. She doesn't say. Again, there's nothing to figure falcon out and a weird question about Michelle.

It was not a weird question. He was voting me based on my reaction to something Michelle said, so i was interested in his opinion of her. And in the Emperors Soul game, Falcon suspected me based on my word usage. He was wrong, we were both town, and that is what I was referencing here. I'm fairly sure he should have gotten my reference.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:35 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:58 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:54 am @falcon45ca nah

You’re reading too much into one word. I’ve noticed you tend to do this with me.

Do you think Michelle is town?
I mean, I kinda saw it too.

I think assumption of aggro from Michelle was somewhat overplaced, I do think W's are immediately more aware or easier to perceive pushes against them. i.e. aggro.
The staccato way she said it felt almost accusatory to me, it’s how I read her tone, I’m a tone reader

It’s not something I necessarily associate with bad Michelle (for me my bad Michelle reference point was Anni, where she was not aggro). This was more an observation as I was a bit taken aback by how she got in my face over it. She asked a throwaway question (unless the host clarifies, who knows?) I gave a throwaway answer (again, who knows?) and she got in my face about it.

In the last game I played with town Falcon he susses town me for word choice. I mean, this is all over one word which tbh I still find valid in the context in which I used it.

In any case I don’t think I’m the one mountain/molehilling.

@LinearPoint havent read your post just kinda skimmed, I’ll get back to you after work.
I believe S~V~S and Michelle are mafia.

Yikes. Replies intext in glowy

Personally, I do not think she is bad. If she is she changed up her game alot. My town touchstone for Michelle was Anni; there she was evasive, avoided discussion or giving opinions. She was slippery, and had a "heh heh" feel to her that was absent in any of the town games I have seen her play. It is absent here.

I am kinda astounded that this is the most suspicious thing people are finding. That I made a word choice that was perhaps not the best word choice, and I'm getting raked over the coals for it now. the fact that you think I would faux banter or set up faux suspish with a teammate tells me you don't understand my game at all.

This post is such a stretch, especially from you, that I'm fairly sure you're town, too. Because, like me, I don't see you making up something like this Day One.

I still have to read Linear Points big post, and unless it's more of this ^^^, looks like I spent most of my catch up time on this absurdity.

Sorry to call your post absurd, you obvs put alot of work into it (and you know I would never think *you* are absurd), but name one game you've seen me act like this when I was bad?

@falcon45ca You want to see making mountains out of molehills? Take a look at this ^^

cat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:01 am
cat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:54 am I don't see what people see about SVS so i will stay off.

To reiterate SVS seems awkward and is fighting a pointless battle. Who cares if Michelle is agressive or not if you yourself think Michelle is null for it. Just drop the subject.
But it's also not necesarily damning.

Yeah I don’t see it either, tbh. I get falcons vote for me; he’s misconstrued my context as town before.

And I didn’t drop the subject cause people started suspecting me for it

I fell asleep on the couch post work last night so I need to catch up and see why I have 4 votes. Especially Epi, who should know better imo. He would know I don’t make up fake suspicions out of the gate like that on Day one as a baddie.

Off to read.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:58 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:54 am @falcon45ca nah

You’re reading too much into one word. I’ve noticed you tend to do this with me.

Do you think Michelle is town?
I mean, I kinda saw it too.

I think assumption of aggro from Michelle was somewhat overplaced, I do think W's are immediately more aware or easier to perceive pushes against them. i.e. aggro.

The staccato way she said it felt almost accusatory to me, it’s how I read her tone, I’m a tone reader

It’s not something I necessarily associate with bad Michelle (for me my bad Michelle reference point was Anni, where she was not aggro). This was more an observation as I was a bit taken aback by how she got in my face over it. She asked a throwaway question (unless the host clarifies, who knows?) I gave a throwaway answer (again, who knows?) and she got in my face about it.

In the last game I played with town Falcon he susses town me for word choice. I mean, this is all over one word which tbh I still find valid in the context in which I used it.

In any case I don’t think I’m the one mountain/molehilling.

@LinearPoint havent read your post just kinda skimmed, I’ll get back to you after work.

@falcon45ca nah

You’re reading too much into one word. I’ve noticed you tend to do this with me.

Do you think Michelle is town?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:48 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:44 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:29 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:27 am Actually Michelle is wolfing

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I dont believe you question how 3 wolves would be unbalanced in a game with 10 players
2 is a bit town sided.

Fight me, I am bored ^^
@falcon45ca even she thought she was sounding a bit aggro ^^ eh?

Although she might have been shading me, she made this post after the one I made implying she was sounding a tad aggro.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?
Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.
Why would be 3 unbalanced?
@S~V~S is this the post you are referring to as shade in?

No the one I quoted, where she said “fight me” to someone else since she said that after I called her aggro lol

More making fun than shading, maybe like :P

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:29 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:27 am Actually Michelle is wolfing

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I dont believe you question how 3 wolves would be unbalanced in a game with 10 players
2 is a bit town sided.

Fight me, I am bored ^^

@falcon45ca even she thought she was sounding a bit aggro ^^ eh?

Although she might have been shading me, she made this post after the one I made implying she was sounding a tad aggro.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:28 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?
Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.
Why would be 3 unbalanced?
With only 10 players? That’s almost a third of the players list?

His Solar System game had 11 players, 2 mafia. With fewer players more wolves seems unlikely?

This is rather a debatable point to get aggro about?

Did I put enough question marks in this ^^? Maybe I need a few more?

@DrWilgy mathematical balance is not my strong suit; I was working on the premise that he wouldn’t have more wolves than in a game with more players than this. Hopefully he chooses to tell us, but if not, not.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?
Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.
Why would be 3 unbalanced?

With only 10 players? That’s almost a third of the players list?

His Solar System game had 11 players, 2 mafia. With fewer players more wolves seems unlikely?

This is rather a debatable point to get aggro about?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:20 am LP
Seanzie
Cat
Epi
SVS
MR
Michelle
Guillo

I get why Guillo, but why Michelle? I don’t associate snap votes with bad Michelle, do you think she’s bussing him?

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?

Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.

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