The Syndicate

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@Long Con you played a great game. You fooled me completely, and I’m someone who pretty much always wolf reads you.

I was so surprised you were bad.

GG all!

K imma vote Roxy. I waffle re Daisy v Brad, one of them is misrepresenting. I have felt Brad was town all game, but Daisy sounds supa reasonable.

So sorry Roxy xox but I don’t buy your sincerity re your sus on me.

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

@Long Con yeah that’s about it. Based on his engagement level day one I think he’s town.

You played/watched New Vegas. Do you think I’m reading him wrong?

OK, poll ends tonight, I thought it was tomorrow.

I have to reread some, but I will need to vote by 8-8:30 ish, about 90 mins to an hour before EOD.

I'm still not there on Brad, but I could be on Roxy.

@Roxy we had the wild winds too! I thought ted was gonna blow away this AM while we walked!

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 6:47 am Yes! I just realized you are getting what I’m saying about what Lime Coke had said about his vote move! He and I cannot both be telling the truth. And I don’t see why a baddie would lie about it at this point, it really doesn’t matter, but there is a lie here. He’s already changed his story once when I called him on it. Why do you think it’s me lying still?

It's a gut thing, and maybe a bit of a stubborness thing. I've thought he was town since day one, it so so contrasted with his Day One GOC. I also watched the New Vegas game, and he looked alot like that here. I am sure Brad is capable of switching it up, but I just think he's town

Whereas with you, that vote, iunno. Although i went back today and reread your timeline, and see that you mentioned the same outline, albeit vaguely, in response to me after I voted you.

You're so awesome at remaining level and sounding very unemotional regardless of alignment, it serves you well.

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Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 3:47 pm @S~V~S
S~V~S wrote:Can you point out to me the specific parts you especially like about his case?
This post is the first time I thought --- what? wait...about you. ****I spoilered it bc this could become a bit messy****
Neither of you can reads minds as far as I know.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 6:22 am
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Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 1:57 am
From what I can tell, both Spacedaisy and Lime Coke thought they were breaking a three-way tie, or at least deciding the result?

If either Abi or sig are a Wolf, then it looks suspicious, but if they're both town, it's somewhat clearing, I think. Would a Wolf see a three-way Town tie and call attention to themselves as the decider?
Daisys last post regarding Wilgy was a very vague kinda null read. Wilgy was supatowning from out the gate, and I think Daisy knows his game well.

Also "from what I can tell"~ how can you tell what Daisy was thinking? We won't know until she tells us, which she chose not to do.

Also if you find making a drive by vote to break a tie that results in the death of a civvie not suspicious, I congratulate you on your open mindedness

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Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 1:57 am Yeah, I'm feeling like suspecting daisy for that vote is putting the cart before the horse. As in, it's only suspicious if Abi or sig are wolves.
Yeah, well, as someone who voted sig cause I thought they were bad, and still thinks they're bad, I think the horse is right where it belongs.

If Daisy comes in and tells us why her viewpoint on Wilgy evolved enough to vote for him, I might then change my vote to sig. I need to go over Falcons interactions with him EOD day one.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:36 pm Actually, no I misread that. I think it was falcon he was annoyed with and I can see why. sig was joking with Epi and says he was fluff posting and falcon seemed to be making a big deal out of it. I'm not sure I get what falcon meant.

The only weird thing I see with sig is actually just the fact that he is pinged by Epi for not joking, when he was even joking with Epi himself.
This is Daisys actual last post, from Tuesday night, almost a full day before EOD. A lot happened in that time, much of it somewhat esoteric disagreements about mafia philosophy. Nothing that Wilgy has not said before in other games, and I think Daisy knows his game better than most. I reread Wilgy to see if there was anything that could have changed her mind from "meh" to voting him, and I couldn't find it.

Her last post, understanding why sig is annoyed with Falcon. Gotta get ready for work, stayed late last night, go in early today. Luckily the month ends only ... once a month lol.

But yeah, gonna reread sig with a focus on his interactions with Falcon.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 5:49 am Good news I'm town
I might believe that if you throw a juice box at me.
Like it was bad form of LC (red) to act like he can read thoughts or think about the who/what/where/when/why of a mafia game vote but it was entirely ok for you to do it twice. (pink)

Long Con wrote: ... along with two confirmed Town. She came in here today ready to berate Wilgy voters, and dive right on to the Lowest Hanging Fruit, Spacedaisy, for her stealth Wilgy vote. Lime Coke made the exact same vote, and you haven't even questioned him about it, even though when Daisy did it, it's damning. I get that voting without posting is not ever a good look, but is that good evidence of a wolf? You acknowledged that it's not the greatest move for a Wolf to make, but then decided you still believe it.

And... I just plain don't believe this: "I reread Wilgy to see if there was anything that could have changed her mind from "meh" to voting him, and I couldn't find it." So, you're saying you attempted reread Wilgy's progression through Day 1 from Daisy's perspective somehow to find the point where she most likely decided she suspects him?

Yeah right. There's no way you did that, you're posting fake busywork to look towny. Why would you even bother doing that, we have two days and the answer you're looking for will almost certainly come to light unless Daisy has simply abandoned the game.
I agreed with part he pointed out of the why you wasn't holding lil LC to the same standards to which you held Daisy.

I also agreed with his busy work comment bc that is how I felt when I read it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 2:22 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:33 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 10:59 pm [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine
@Long Con

Not the same vote at all. He posted for one thing. He made several posts in a row. He was involved and his suspects also evolved.

And I am not the only one pissy about the Wilgy yeet, read the beginning of today again.

Wilgy voted sig before me, and falcon voted him using my actual “I may vote for sig” as his jump off point.

So ok, whatever.
It's the same vote as in, they both thought they were the one to put Wilgy over. I get that their approach was different in obvious ways, but if you think that Daisy was trying to save sig, then why wouldn't you suspect Lime Coke of voting for the same reason? Involvement and explanation notwithstanding... a wolf who is participatory would, of course, approach their vote in a participatory way. Are you saying you're more suspicious of the nonparticipation, or the "they voted to save sig" aspect?

And I'm quite sure I don't need to be told to reread the beginning of today again. The post where I voted you quite clearly discusses the three of you (Michelle, Abi, and yourself), and individually addresses each of you about it.

To me your reply up top about how lil LC was different but I felt that still really did not address big LC's point. The "save" for civvie sig.

If you were looking for more than big LC's case then I can add more things on my own like my first quote pull.

You are a skilled player and

To me, saying you suspect someone becasue of someone elses case just reads like setting yourself up to yeet THAT person after the first one flips town. Like, "Oh, I was on the fence but LC's case convinced me!". The fact that LC's case is a big big stretch based on both of us reading into each others remarks makes it stand out more to me.

I get that people suspect me, I'm used to it. I used to be an awesome baddie, and I still can be when the set up grabs me, like Se7en, or when my team is over the top amazeballs in the right set up, like last years GOC. But I need to be able to hunt, and I can't do that in the games we have now

And my lack of wim becomes apparent by day 2-3 lol. I honestly only enjoy being a wolf anymore when it's multiball, and that makes me sad too, tbh.

So the No U is not a thing I love, but in this case it isn't that you (or Daisy) susses me; I think LC is town. LC BELIEVES what he said; I'm not sure that you or Daisy do, and that's the difference. If LC is bad, and thus insincere, I'll be flabbergasted, and super impressed. It's that you both used LC's case as a starting point. And you both know me well enough to see things without that if I were bad. But you didn't cause I'm not.

Also yeah, that no discussion thing is a thing, they did it in another game recently, and i get the math. But I do agree that, esp in a mountainous game, the yeet is our only tool. I was a bit eeehh about Abbi (and tbh Brad) due to it, but Abbi being NK killed that for me.

Reading this exchange it basically means someone is lying about the timing of their votes. I don't think it's Brad

This whole exchange between them is worth reading; it strarts about post 833 and ends here VV, #859; Brad makes two short nai posts after this one, but this post basically ends the conversation. I look forward to Daisys reply.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 7:09 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 7:01 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:55 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:54 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:46 am You said I changed my vote already, I didn't change my vote until :59.
You posted at :59, but when I pressed the vote button and it refreshed the votes were already different. I voted first and then tried to post, unsuccessfully. Someone else had moved onto Wilgy before me. But as I point out later in my many posts from tonight your move onto Wilgy is the biggest indicator that you might actually be civ. I just don't understand why you acted as if you didn't know who had broken the tie, when you must have known. And btw, I thought you moved from Abigail, but she still has three, so someone moved onto her too. I would say I need to see who, but all her voters were civ so it doesn't really matter.

Are you lying about seeing my vote in there before you voted?
No I 100% believe I saw you voting before I changed my vote.
Saw me voting, what does that mean exactly? That you saw me in the thread? Yeah, I was in the thread. I came in at 3 minutes prior to the deadline and I was going back and forth about Wilgy and sig. I believe it was 9:58 when I pushed the submit button on my Wilgy vote, though I can't say that with certainty. I just know it was 9:59 when I was trying to bang out a quick post to declare my vote in thread, but I wasn't able to submit that in time.
I saw you voted on the poll itself before I changed my vote.

I've done this myself, "seen" someone vote. I looked at the poll before i voted, and noted the votes. I voted, checked the poll to make sure I voted correctly, and someone had changed their vote.

But anyhow, this exchange says someone here in that convo is not being honest, imo.

So the baddies could use his case on me and get me miselimmed. TBH, I expected him to be NK the other night, it's what I would have done if i were bad. NK LC, then come after his suspect for NKing the person pushing *THEM* as a baddie. When you're bad nothing is sweeter than manipulating the townies into killing each other.

proofread fail, too many subjects in that sentence lol.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:57 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:53 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 2:16 am In situation like this, where if we mislim the mafia win, it's not about who is out, it's about who is still in. They want to keep people in that will be one of two things:

1. Easy to misliim
2. Easy to convince to vote a mislim

*snip*

Neither Roxy nor Lime Coke have come out strong enough to be evaluated against this.
Are you saying I'm neither of these two?
Yeah, kind of. I'm saying you have not passionately gone after anyone enough to be someone that a wolf could count on to mislim, nor have you had that much suspicion on you to be an easy mislim. It's not an accusation, just a statement that I can't apply that consideration to you. I don't question why is Lime Coke still alive. I do question why Long Con and SVS are still alive though.

So the baddies could use his case on me and get me miselimmed. TBH, I expected him to be NK the other night, it's what I would have done if i were bad. NK LC, then come after his suspect for NKing the person pushing me as a baddie. When you're bad nothing is sweeter than manipulating the townies into killing each other.

oops hit submit rather than preview; so i see how it could be taken that I meant it that way, but that would be a weird way for ANYONE to mean that, and I think it's part of that famous confirmation bias that you read it that way.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:37 pm My tinfoil is Long Con and SVS being evil together. And when I say evil, I mean they are febs and I’ll probably let them get away with it, lol.

That would explain leaving three in, if she is bad and her partner is sussing her. It would be a heck of a risky move though, betting the third civ wouldn’t follow the other two.

LOL, I think we're town teammates together, but LC would be doing the most aggressive bussing ever if we were bad, and I loathe that, tbh. A bit of distancing yeah. A full blown case carried over days? No.It would be an ugly chatroom if we were bad teammates. I bus if i have to, but it's never a choice. I was being town read by much of the thread, and there would be no reason to aggrobus me on a two person team.

@Long Con I did reread Wilgy, but only from my own perspective.

I am not going to vote for either LC. And that's about all I have to say about that.

If it means I go down since LC is so sure I'm bad, and Daisy and Roxy think his case is the bomb, so be it.

But if you are civ, Long Con, as I think you are, we need to have a talk post game about how we read each other. If you're not, excellent game. I totally believe you're sincere, if misguided.

Linki @Spacedaisy take a look at Brads last day of New Vegas. He was civ there, and had similar thoughts.

I mean I skimmed Wilgy after he died since I didn't understand why anyone had voted for him, but I didn't read him specifically to see why Daisy did. TBH I expected him to be the night 1 NK he was solving so hard, not the Day 1 yeet.

Doh @Roxy I quoted that post ^^ meaning to tag you. I wrote it before we decided to sleep, and didn't want it to get lost. Thanks!

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 6:02 am
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:25 pm I'm not quite sure where the vote stands but I think my vote will make a tie.

LongC case on SVS has me willing to look more closely in her direction

I did wonder about Daisy with that vote but her explanation vibed with me as I have done similar since threads are locked down now

But I'm going with my gut and voting Syn
I asked Daisy this, and I'm going to ask you.

Can you point out to me the specific parts you especially like about his case?

What I mean when I ask this (and I am going to ask @Spacedaisy this too) is to tell me *specifically* which points he made that you find so convincing. Not a general thing, but specifics, please. Becasue I really want to know.

Here it is. I spoilered the first part which is moreso about Wilgys yeet than about what a fucking menace I am. But I left it there.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:18 pm
Spoiler: show
Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:27 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 2:16 am
Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:54 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:48 am
Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:47 am wilgy knows in a battle of wim he'll always out-class me, since I don't duel with wall-posts and structured paragraphs

but this is him wolfing
What's the difference between Wilgy town and Wilgy wolf?
I know this is the current modus operandi of mafia on MU and TS, where everything boils down to claims that we know the differences between someone being town and wolf because people are reliably consistent and they only ever do x as town and y as wolf, but I should inform you and probably everyone else that I'm not going to engage in an argument about meta, because it's not reliable, it's rarely true, and people hide in it all the time

wilgy is a wolf because he's establishing an agenda/worldview that everyone else is now rotating around. he's set the terms and conditions for everyone else's casing, their arguments. he's set it up so that there's uncontested wolf-claims against people who are just outright afk, and then set up easy mischops for later days by picking holes in every little thing someone says with posts that pretend at reason, both of which will be looked at by others as Villager Effort and as a reason to wolf-read the people he nitpicked
Now that you know it's Wilgy town, and you can reverse the polarity on this negative read, what do you think of Wilgy's 'worldview/agenda'?
it's still not great tbh. him being town and also pushing that world/approach confuses me, unless he had some kind of plan to switcheroo in the following days

of course, him picking holes in every little thing someone says, as a villager, would be useful now/later
Ok. I get this view on Wilgy's posts, and I didn't disagree. It wasn't the reason I voted for him, but more like "if he's bad, this is not a trap we want to fall into". I voted for him because of his weird self-contradiction about sig, and I still don't understand how he came up with that stuff honestly. Point is, there was more than one valid reason to suspect him.
That's why an exchange like the following one, where they're discussing Wilgy's yeet, is a huge stretch:

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 5:25 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:36 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 3:58 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 3:05 am That's egregious
I know, right?
Even I knew Wilgy was town and I read like 3 pages
He was the person most actively solving.

Not liking someone’s philosophy of how mafia should be played doesn’t make them bad .

If Daisy had time to read enough to change from her null-ish stance on Wilgy to voting him out, then she had time to post her vote at the very least.

I could also vote for sig again tbh.
Let's put aside the level of gall it takes to not play, not even vote, and then come in and berate us for voting a guy with more than one strike against him. Here's the thing: hindsight is 20/20. Yup, Wilgy was obviously town... as of the point his role was revealed. Let's not act like we haven't seen Wolf Wilgy absolutely snow everyone into believing he's obvious town, including all three of you.

We've got Michelle, S~V~S, and Abi all wringing their hands and lamenting how this could have happened, and I'll be shocked if there is not a Wolf in that group.

Michelle is sticking to a loose WIFOM against Syn and sig based on their suspicion of her and Wilgy, and she once again poured on the extra "but Wilgy was so obvious town" to try and bolster the suspicion, which I don't like. So, continuing her Day 1 stance. @Michelle voted for Abi and came close to getting her eliminated yesterday, but today it's friendly talk and softball questions. What is your real stance on her? You are not treating her like someone you suspect today. Actually, what's your opinion on Roxy, you said you won't let her down, does that mean that you think she's Town?

Abi is just...

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 6:17 am Bad news I'm never gonna be found. Really should've solved me D1
Abi, I enjoy playing with you when you're here, but it's time to make some hard choices, and I think it goes like this: a) get WIM, get playing, b) get replaced, c) get yeeted. There's no shame in choosing option b) if that's what it takes, but your personal forecast there is frustrating.

S~V~S is my top choice of the three as wolf. She voted off the Wilgy wagon:

sig 3 Voters: falcon45ca, S~V~S, DrWilgy

... along with two confirmed Town. She came in here today ready to berate Wilgy voters, and dive right on to the Lowest Hanging Fruit, Spacedaisy, for her stealth Wilgy vote. Lime Coke made the exact same vote, and you haven't even questioned him about it, even though when Daisy did it, it's damning. I get that voting without posting is not ever a good look, but is that good evidence of a wolf? You acknowledged that it's not the greatest move for a Wolf to make, but then decided you still believe it.

And... I just plain don't believe this: "I reread Wilgy to see if there was anything that could have changed her mind from "meh" to voting him, and I couldn't find it." So, you're saying you attempted reread Wilgy's progression through Day 1 from Daisy's perspective somehow to find the point where she most likely decided she suspects him?

Yeah right. There's no way you did that, you're posting fake busywork to look towny. Why would you even bother doing that, we have two days and the answer you're looking for will almost certainly come to light unless Daisy has simply abandoned the game.

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

Also, @Long Con , I noticed this part of the above while rereading :

And... I just plain don't believe this: "I reread Wilgy to see if there was anything that could have changed her mind from "meh" to voting him, and I couldn't find it." So, you're saying you attempted reread Wilgy's progression through Day 1 from Daisy's perspective somehow to find the point where she most likely decided she suspects him?

This confuses me a bit. I don't recall saying anything like that, I said I reread DAISY, not Wilgy. If I implied that somewhere, I'm sorry it wasn't my intention. Reading someone I think is town trying to see why others suspect them is futile, unless you know that person super super well. I know Daisy fairly well, but not enough for that to even be a think i would try to do.

I know at times my wording can be obscure, I run on, etc. I spend alot of time explaining what I *really* meant, both here and irl lol. But Could you point out to me where I said this? Becasue i definitely did not reread Wilgy to see why Daisy voted for him, and am perplexes as to why I would say I did.

Based on his day one, I am pretty sure Brad is civ. To be honest, I think LC is as well, and have since felt he sounded sincere, and rereading the thread while we were sleeping, made me believe it even more.

I do have to look up a bad Brad game, I know he has had several recent ones. I am contrasting him mainly to a game where I hosted him, which gives you a unique perspective, and this one. He was not pleased to be bad when he got randed in GOC. He had absolutely no on topic discussion, before his early death. He looks nothing like that here. He does look like he looked in Fallout New Vegas, his most recent game, where he was town. I watched that one.

And I am pretty much totally sure LC is sincere. He really believes it.

[VOTE: sleep] aubergine

OK, thanks. So it is a maths thing, a miselim today would be worse in the long run than no elim at all.

Yeah, i guess with no hammer 48 hours of silence would be excruciating for us and the host lol. No discussion would make total sense with a hammer, though.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 3:02 am We sleep today yeah?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 3:09 am Oh uh...yeah I guess we do.

OK, I just saw this in Jays recent game, and asked about it in the chat.

It is something I am unfamiliar with, and don't totally understand. Choosing not to eliminate someone at this point, I mean.

Elimination is the towns only tool, and I don't understand giving it up (although with both Daisy and Roxy finding LC's case to be so compelling, I can see that I might be on the menu today) and allowing the wolves another NK. I think it's a maths thing, right?

Thanks!

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:25 pm I'm not quite sure where the vote stands but I think my vote will make a tie.

LongC case on SVS has me willing to look more closely in her direction

I did wonder about Daisy with that vote but her explanation vibed with me as I have done similar since threads are locked down now

But I'm going with my gut and voting Syn

I asked Daisy this, and I'm going to ask you.

Can you point out to me the specific parts you especially like about his case?

What I mean when I ask this (and I am going to ask @Spacedaisy this too) is to tell me *specifically* which points he made that you find so convincing. Not a general thing, but specifics, please. Becasue I really want to know.

Here it is. I spoilered the first part which is moreso about Wilgys yeet than about what a fucking menace I am. But I left it there.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:18 pm
Spoiler: show
Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:27 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 2:16 am
Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:54 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:48 am
Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:47 am wilgy knows in a battle of wim he'll always out-class me, since I don't duel with wall-posts and structured paragraphs

but this is him wolfing
What's the difference between Wilgy town and Wilgy wolf?
I know this is the current modus operandi of mafia on MU and TS, where everything boils down to claims that we know the differences between someone being town and wolf because people are reliably consistent and they only ever do x as town and y as wolf, but I should inform you and probably everyone else that I'm not going to engage in an argument about meta, because it's not reliable, it's rarely true, and people hide in it all the time

wilgy is a wolf because he's establishing an agenda/worldview that everyone else is now rotating around. he's set the terms and conditions for everyone else's casing, their arguments. he's set it up so that there's uncontested wolf-claims against people who are just outright afk, and then set up easy mischops for later days by picking holes in every little thing someone says with posts that pretend at reason, both of which will be looked at by others as Villager Effort and as a reason to wolf-read the people he nitpicked
Now that you know it's Wilgy town, and you can reverse the polarity on this negative read, what do you think of Wilgy's 'worldview/agenda'?
it's still not great tbh. him being town and also pushing that world/approach confuses me, unless he had some kind of plan to switcheroo in the following days

of course, him picking holes in every little thing someone says, as a villager, would be useful now/later
Ok. I get this view on Wilgy's posts, and I didn't disagree. It wasn't the reason I voted for him, but more like "if he's bad, this is not a trap we want to fall into". I voted for him because of his weird self-contradiction about sig, and I still don't understand how he came up with that stuff honestly. Point is, there was more than one valid reason to suspect him.
That's why an exchange like the following one, where they're discussing Wilgy's yeet, is a huge stretch:

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 5:25 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:36 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 3:58 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 3:05 am That's egregious
I know, right?
Even I knew Wilgy was town and I read like 3 pages
He was the person most actively solving.

Not liking someone’s philosophy of how mafia should be played doesn’t make them bad .

If Daisy had time to read enough to change from her null-ish stance on Wilgy to voting him out, then she had time to post her vote at the very least.

I could also vote for sig again tbh.
Let's put aside the level of gall it takes to not play, not even vote, and then come in and berate us for voting a guy with more than one strike against him. Here's the thing: hindsight is 20/20. Yup, Wilgy was obviously town... as of the point his role was revealed. Let's not act like we haven't seen Wolf Wilgy absolutely snow everyone into believing he's obvious town, including all three of you.

We've got Michelle, S~V~S, and Abi all wringing their hands and lamenting how this could have happened, and I'll be shocked if there is not a Wolf in that group.

Michelle is sticking to a loose WIFOM against Syn and sig based on their suspicion of her and Wilgy, and she once again poured on the extra "but Wilgy was so obvious town" to try and bolster the suspicion, which I don't like. So, continuing her Day 1 stance. @Michelle voted for Abi and came close to getting her eliminated yesterday, but today it's friendly talk and softball questions. What is your real stance on her? You are not treating her like someone you suspect today. Actually, what's your opinion on Roxy, you said you won't let her down, does that mean that you think she's Town?

Abi is just...

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 6:17 am Bad news I'm never gonna be found. Really should've solved me D1
Abi, I enjoy playing with you when you're here, but it's time to make some hard choices, and I think it goes like this: a) get WIM, get playing, b) get replaced, c) get yeeted. There's no shame in choosing option b) if that's what it takes, but your personal forecast there is frustrating.

S~V~S is my top choice of the three as wolf. She voted off the Wilgy wagon:

sig 3 Voters: falcon45ca, S~V~S, DrWilgy

... along with two confirmed Town. She came in here today ready to berate Wilgy voters, and dive right on to the Lowest Hanging Fruit, Spacedaisy, for her stealth Wilgy vote. Lime Coke made the exact same vote, and you haven't even questioned him about it, even though when Daisy did it, it's damning. I get that voting without posting is not ever a good look, but is that good evidence of a wolf? You acknowledged that it's not the greatest move for a Wolf to make, but then decided you still believe it.

And... I just plain don't believe this: "I reread Wilgy to see if there was anything that could have changed her mind from "meh" to voting him, and I couldn't find it." So, you're saying you attempted reread Wilgy's progression through Day 1 from Daisy's perspective somehow to find the point where she most likely decided she suspects him?

Yeah right. There's no way you did that, you're posting fake busywork to look towny. Why would you even bother doing that, we have two days and the answer you're looking for will almost certainly come to light unless Daisy has simply abandoned the game.

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

"False chatter"? Lol.

I was answering a question, she asked why I town read her, I told her. We just wolfed together. This looks nothing like that.

I think you just want me to be bad; a bit of that confirmation bias Daisy was talking about earlier, eh?

Anyhow doggo looking daggers at me. Bai.

Also, @Long Con that post gives me a tow3n read for you. I have been trying to avoid making a read on you since I was having a problem getting past bad. But that post came from a town place, imo. Even if I think your case on me is a stretch, it doesn't make you bad.

And, Hi Brad

bbl xoxo people

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:36 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:31 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 1:32 pm @Roxy and @S~V~S can you explain to the class your read on me?
Some of it is tone, but much is due to having wolfed with you recently. Bad Michelle is more tentative, she leaves wiggle room. Town Michelle is almost severe, which i don't mean in a bad way. Town Michelle goes in there and doesn't really sugarcoat her reads or what she has to say. She says it, and doesn't spend much time or energy arguing her points.

You're more about solving and less about fitting in when you're town.

In this game, your reaction to Syns push against the POE didn't have a lot of give in it. I think bad Michelle would have had more give, if that makes sense.
Ok, I just quoted a post where she mentions every player and comes up with some town leans but zero wolf reads. Several players are mentioned in a less-than-stellar way, but there isn't one wolf read that isn't heavily watered down.

How do you read a post like that and say "Bad Michelle leaves wiggle room, Good Michelle is severe with raw reads," and call this Good Michelle?

She doesn't mention every player; she didn't mention you or Daisy. I asked her to clarify in a later post. She said she town read you, and you quoted the Daisy portion.

Like I said, the tone is the thing for me. She's confident and her entire iso as regards Syn and Wilgy basically convinced me.

That isn't what I mean by wiggle room; it's hard to explain, if you have time read her in Lasso.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:32 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 6:55 am
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:01 am methinks the team is roxy/michelle

[VOTE: roxy] aubergine
I haven't gotten any further, so sorry if you explain later; do you still feel this way, and why?

This is where my catch up for this AM ends, sorry for all the posts. Easier than a wall.
He said basically what I thought should have been obvious about my move, that it gains me nothing as a wolf. Then he pointed out that you were on two easy wagons. I’d have to go back and read through the post that I found convince at that moment to tell you more details. It’s late and I’m on mobile in bed. Tomorrow.

I don’t believe in WIFOM, it’s all confirmation bias. Everyone uses it to prop up their own beliefs, just like you did with that argument. I literally told you exactly what I did and why and your response was to say, well, you would know that is what I’d think and did it anyway so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me!

It’s useless to argue about WIFOM.

So can you point out why you think I'm bad, based on his post since that is what convinced you I am bad, or is it a No U (can't type that without thinking of Dutchies <3) ?

Right now, since it has been quietish since I last posted minus Roxys flurry, I am gonna [VOTE: Daisy] aubergine. I'll keep an eye on the thread if anything changes.

Maybe you just wanted Wilgy gone, or whatever, I don't have to provide a motive, this isn't court. Your vote didn't sit right with me, and your responses have not really made me feel much better about you. You turned around and No U'ed me using LCs post as a starting point, but can't really point out what it was that convinced you about that post. That kind of thing, using someone elses post as a springboard, always strikes me as a baddie thing, so when your push turns out to be wrong, you can point to the other person and say, "I was just following them" (not that I've known you to do this, it's just a general comment).

Gotta go deal with doggo and do some house stuff like vacuuming.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 1:32 pm @Roxy and @S~V~S can you explain to the class your read on me?

Some of it is tone, but much is due to having wolfed with you recently. Bad Michelle is more tentative, she leaves wiggle room. Town Michelle is almost severe, which i don't mean in a bad way. Town Michelle goes in there and doesn't really sugarcoat her reads or what she has to say. She says it, and doesn't spend much time or energy arguing her points.

You're more about solving and less about fitting in when you're town.

In this game, your reaction to Syns push against the POE didn't have a lot of give in it. I think bad Michelle would have had more give, if that makes sense.

Also if you think I was applying confirmation bias, that would mean you think I really believe you’re bad, and anything that confirms that is what I believe, true or not, yes?

So if you really think that’s what I’m doing, you don’t think I’m bad anymore, right?

Good to know

Also fwiw, my interpretation of what constitutes WIFOM may be different than yours.

My interpretation is talking about what one would or would not do as a specific alignment, and applying that interpretation to one’s current behavior.

So when I talk about WIFOMing one’s way out of something, that’s what I mean. Using would/wouldn’t statements to discount behavior others may find suspicious.

No connection to confirmation bias.

Oh! That’s the answer to my question! Got it!

I’ll read it through more thoroughly when off phone.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:32 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 6:55 am
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:01 am methinks the team is roxy/michelle

[VOTE: roxy] aubergine
I haven't gotten any further, so sorry if you explain later; do you still feel this way, and why?

This is where my catch up for this AM ends, sorry for all the posts. Easier than a wall.
He said basically what I thought should have been obvious about my move, that it gains me nothing as a wolf. Then he pointed out that you were on two easy wagons. I’d have to go back and read through the post that I found convince at that moment to tell you more details. It’s late and I’m on mobile in bed. Tomorrow.

I don’t believe in WIFOM, it’s all confirmation bias. Everyone uses it to prop up their own beliefs, just like you did with that argument. I literally told you exactly what I did and why and your response was to say, well, you would know that is what I’d think and did it anyway so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me!

It’s useless to argue about WIFOM.

Did you mean to quote a different post? I didn’t talk about any of that in this one, or even about you at all.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 6:50 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 8:08 pm Oh man... Long Con actually made a better case for SVS than I thought. Yeah... I might be convinced there.

@Long Con If you are right about SVS, who do you see her as aligned with? She voted off wagon, is she paired with one of sig or Abigail or do you think the Day 1 tie was less relevant than we are making it?
What were your favorite parts?

@Spacedaisy while you’re around, could you answer this?

If you already did, sorry, I’m skimming at work lol

I think I need more coffee before I post. Or I need to pay more attention to my spell checker.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:10 am I forgot about Spacedaisy. That's NAGL

Oh here you go. what's NAGL? I've seen it but either forgot or never knew what it stood for.

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:41 am how can you be this obvious and then have SVS say you're town and she's no longer paranoid

and then lime coke is acting like a chided puppy who didn't go on the pad on time

Town Michelle is somewhat blunt and focused. She softens that down a bit when she's bad, sho worries more about how she sounds. Town Michelle says her peice without worrying about how she sounds.

It's more complicated than that, but, for me, blunt Michelle is town Michelle.

I'm not talking so much about what she says as am talking about how she says it.

It's not unlike why i haven't agreed with any or your reads, but I still think you're town.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:09 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 1:05 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 4:25 pm For Long Con, I don't have the patience to quote:
1. Clearing the Poe is a must. However I want discussions about everyone not just a vote.
2. I am not opening the Poe with you, I still think you are just a villager but Epi instead you means he was more right than you or because the wolves need you to push me further.
3. I want to talk in real time as well, I'll try to be here as much as possible.
When you say you're not opening the Poe, what, in your view, is the current Poe?
Abi is there by default. I don't even know if she is a wolf and she probably is not, but if villa she would be the lylo escape for wolves because they will never kill her if she is not WIMing up

AGREE

Syn has a weird narrow focus on me and tries to make a team based on weak associations which is untrue, the wolves are already distanced by now and being just 2 it's bad to point at associations. Look at how wrong Sig was by saying me and Wilgy are wolves together because we found each other and had similar game solve.

His push on Wilgy was so odd to me, I thought a wolf making that push would be immensely audacious, and when I looked over his past games (which i normally don't do, but his Wilgy push seemed very specific) I didn't find this specific push, but did find similar ones. Like he seemed to want to yeet high posters in at least one game. His "oh well" in the face of Wilgy flipping town for some reason made him townier to me. Since I have been pretty much disagreeing with him across the board, I have also not been paying much attention to the specifics of what he's saying, just putting a town label on him and maybe that's lazy and shortsighted of me.

Brad is so weak this game that I don't know what he is doing, is he waiting for me to post to follow me? Because I was wrong and he did it yday without questioning but I need his inputs if he is villager.

Having seen bad Brad recently, I don't think this Brad looks anything like that. He certainly can change it up, though, so

Roxy feels like she has solving intent. Maybe she can fake it as wolf, I don't have much experience with her, but I liked her vibe all game and I gave her a town read.

I loved her reads list. Someone said something about it like it didn't feel towny, but I townleaned her on that one post. It had that honest solving energy without any people pleasing tone, which i think she tends to adopt when she's bad to some extent.

Svs fits the same area and her posts also have that solving vibe on them.

SVS is in that paranoid phase where she is thinking everyone is bad, and needs to reassess.

So idk what my Poe looks like in this very moment, because I can also point at any of the players to have villagery points and wolfy points and what looked wolfy from everyone including me regarding Sig until now was in fact from villagers.
Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:48 am please skip the fake progression and just vote for me, michelle

Write my username with capital letter because it is my name.

You don't even deserve an answer at your posts, nothing you say brings anything positive and helpful.

This list is your POE; you left out Daisy and LC. Are you clear town reading them, or wolf reading them?

Re Daisy; if i had to vote now, I'd vote her agian, tbh. Her reaction to my one person crusade on her didn't feel open or frank, qualities I associate with town Daisy. I want to herar her answer to my question about which parts of LC's case on me were her favorites, and if she still feels that way.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 5:23 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 6:07 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 3:00 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:47 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 11:30 pm ☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆
☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆ MAFIA! ☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆
☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆
What's the meaning of this post?
It means I had Copied the star for doing an Abi mention, and felt like Pasting it some more while I had it loaded. No relevant meaning to the game.
I do that too on my laptop, but it's a pain in the ass on phone, which I think was what Falcon said was the issue, tagging her on phone. When she first started using the star I had asked someone how to hypertext the star, but I must not have been doing it right casue I can never get it to work.

Just got home, gotta walk the doggo, then will be back.
It should be embedded in the keyboard of android phones I mean that's where I got it from

My sister is a Facetime addict, so we are an iPhone family. Also her husband is an Apple programmer

You are usually the bomb at finding town. This game I'm finding finding town easy, too easy maybe. I saw your yesterday town, do you have a today town?

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:39 am
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 5:53 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 6:55 am
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:01 am methinks the team is roxy/michelle

[VOTE: roxy] aubergine
I haven't gotten any further, so sorry if you explain later; do you still feel this way, and why?

This is where my catch up for this AM ends, sorry for all the posts. Easier than a wall.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 2:58 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:01 am methinks the team is roxy/michelle

[VOTE: roxy] aubergine

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:34 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:31 pm I get the sense that Roxy is gedna.
I'm going to trust Epi with that.
This was a hilarious way to start reading up. Syn, why is that the team?
they treat each other with kiddie gloves. roxy's ISO evolves to exclusively revolve around propping up michelle as a paragon of towniness without any reads of her own, and then some busywork patting abigail on the back.

I'm not sure I can say anything about Michelle that will be taken seriously since she can just point to my early D1 scum read and say it's a tunnel and that I was just as wrong about Wilgy. But in general her posting has felt the most agenda driven, and where she usually nitpicks everyone's vote and reads, she has conspicuously entirely ignored both of my roxy votes d2 and today*. not even a whisper of a mention. just a vague reference that she has to re-ISO me to judge my alignment.

*not entirely true, she indirectly dismissed it by saying that top-poster thread-leader epi was NKed because he was singlehandedly town-clearing roxy because of a single post using simlish and the wolves absolutely could not stand for such a threat to their hegemony
When on earth i said Epi was top poster?
I said Wilgy was top poster and you mix things up.

I have news for you, the world doesn't revolve around you so I had nothing to point about your off wagon vote on Roxy on D2.

Making associative reads to fit your imaginary world but saying Daisy/you world means mischops is not what shows you are town, neither your tunnel is, so give me more than luke warm reads.

It's stuff like this that make me stop being paranoid and think you're town.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:56 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 5:53 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 6:55 am
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:01 am methinks the team is roxy/michelle

[VOTE: roxy] aubergine
I haven't gotten any further, so sorry if you explain later; do you still feel this way, and why?

This is where my catch up for this AM ends, sorry for all the posts. Easier than a wall.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 2:58 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:01 am methinks the team is roxy/michelle

[VOTE: roxy] aubergine

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:34 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:31 pm I get the sense that Roxy is gedna.
I'm going to trust Epi with that.
This was a hilarious way to start reading up. Syn, why is that the team?
they treat each other with kiddie gloves. roxy's ISO evolves to exclusively revolve around propping up michelle as a paragon of towniness without any reads of her own, and then some busywork patting abigail on the back.

I'm not sure I can say anything about Michelle that will be taken seriously since she can just point to my early D1 scum read and say it's a tunnel and that I was just as wrong about Wilgy. But in general her posting has felt the most agenda driven, and where she usually nitpicks everyone's vote and reads, she has conspicuously entirely ignored both of my roxy votes d2 and today*. not even a whisper of a mention. just a vague reference that she has to re-ISO me to judge my alignment.

*not entirely true, she indirectly dismissed it by saying that top-poster thread-leader epi was NKed because he was singlehandedly town-clearing roxy because of a single post using simlish and the wolves absolutely could not stand for such a threat to their hegemony
Do you remember a Michelle wolf game? I'm trying to think if this is what Wolf Michelle looks like, but my memory for past games is a little watery except for things that specifically revolved around me.

Ted Lasso, just recently. Also Anniversary 1, last year.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 3:00 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:47 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 11:30 pm ☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆
☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆ MAFIA! ☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆
☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆
What's the meaning of this post?
It means I had Copied the star for doing an Abi mention, and felt like Pasting it some more while I had it loaded. No relevant meaning to the game.

I do that too on my laptop, but it's a pain in the ass on phone, which I think was what Falcon said was the issue, tagging her on phone. When she first started using the star I had asked someone how to hypertext the star, but I must not have been doing it right casue I can never get it to work.

Just got home, gotta walk the doggo, then will be back.

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:01 am methinks the team is roxy/michelle

[VOTE: roxy] aubergine

I haven't gotten any further, so sorry if you explain later; do you still feel this way, and why?

This is where my catch up for this AM ends, sorry for all the posts. Easier than a wall.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 8:08 pm Oh man... Long Con actually made a better case for SVS than I thought. Yeah... I might be convinced there.

@Long Con If you are right about SVS, who do you see her as aligned with? She voted off wagon, is she paired with one of sig or Abigail or do you think the Day 1 tie was less relevant than we are making it?

What were your favorite parts?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 7:51 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:21 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:20 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:17 pm Also there's just a small chance that I will wake up for Eod because I am extremely tired and maybe the chop will not be on Abi, so why are you stressed for the wagon one her?
she's my teammate
but also several other people have voiced approval for chopping in the AFK slots and have been patting themselves on the back for having such a POE. I'd be displeased with serious wagons on any of epi, daisy, abigail, because there's no reason for it yet people are pretending it's good gameplay
Who are these people?

Why do Epi, Daisy, and PA deserve preferential treatment over anybody else regardless of content?

Yeah, this ^^^. I will have to iso you after I catch up, I skimmed over lots of what you've said casue I don't speak Simlish.

I left you off my reads list earlier since I had little impression of you so far. I don't think I ever wrote a sentence like that in regards to you, and I'm not sure how I feel about it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 12:54 pm Oh my god, did you guys see?

Long Con is voting S~V~S? What's that about??

Syn cast a vote for Roxy, and MAN I bet you have opinions on what HER reaction will be!!

And what the whatta wha the Ab Abi voted for SYN? THE SCANDAL!

It's like a soap opera out here!

WHAT'S

COMING

NEXT?!?!?

Hopefully some posting. Is everyone waiting for someone else to say something?

I gave my rainbow list, where's everyone else's list? Michelle and S~V~S both HAD to see my list, well... why? No reaction, you guys just like the way I sling my colours?

I didn't till this AM, but damn this is a good post.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 10:56 pm I'm not going to go too far back and try to get all caught up, because I suspect most of it is just discussion of sig and me. Which is fine and fair. But those who know me, Roxy, SVS, LC in particular should know I am a hard core busser. I wouldn't have saved my single other teammate in a three way tie or if I didn't need to vote them because of all that activity. It's suicide and stupid strategy. There is no way sig and I are teammates.

You might have, especially if you knew you would be alone and afk quite a bit. Just becasue you CAN be a hardcore busser doesn't mean you HAVE to be one in every situation. Not saying you did, or that I particularly still sus you (I kinda do, but have only started catching up, and something has to give in my reads, they're too top heavy.

Like I said earlier, that position, drive by voting, is an easy one to WIFOM out of.

You are, along with LC, afaik, the most experienced player in this thread. Both of you were playing and hosting games when I first started. You are capable of doing anything, like LC or like me. Don't sell your self short.

I had a game recently where I got yeeted day one as town (I think Epi and LC were the drivers; I think they were both town, too iirc). And I recall getting all indignant at Epi for implying that I had done something I considered pathetic, lol. Like "How could you think I was so lame!!".

And i realized he was right. Being able to pull off "lame" convincingly is a skill set. I'm capable of anything and should not have gotten upset by the implication.

You are, too.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 10:48 pm Derp, I said syn and I meant sig.

That made me tilt the head for a sec, but then I knew who you meant.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:26 pm
S~V~S is who I'm voting for, and has given me the most reason to suspect, and those details are all on microfiche from earlier Day 2 archives. And damn it, S~V~S, I do know that this feels familiar, but I railed for them to yeet you literally all game that time you wolf-won with Scotty. Beans? So yeah, I know that I can be right about you, this isn't a case of "here we go again". Necessarily.

I know. Also Pirates, although to be fair I didn't know you were Sixto. I think those two things happening back to back put me on auto narrowed gaze for you. Although i find sus when I'm town to be frustrating (since I think I am one of the most polarized people around, especially in a one wolf team situation), I also take it as a compliment.

Ugh I voted the Mod/spec option by mistake, lol. I changed it to "no elim" but i don't mean to choose that.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:46 am I am going to question Syn's alignament while back reading and check if his stances does not come from tmi perspective.

Brad seems lost so still in town reads, @Lime Coke I need you to talk to me if you are a villager.

Abigail should be D1 chopped and no one discussed her D2 seriously. My impression is the same, she can go either way and belongs to the Poe.

Long Con was everyone's top villager so him being alive is a huge question mark for me.

I like Daisy's vibe.

I need more from both @Roxy and @S~V~S

I'm just finishing my @'s, and I have to go catch up from where I left off Friday Night. As I recall LC was leading a Yoga class at that time.

As of then, my town was You, Syn and Brad for sure. With Roxy almost there.

I was null on LC for the most part. I could see him making the push on me out of either sincerity OR insincerity. I tend to baddie read him in general, so I am trying to consciously not pay attention to the things about his tone and the way he words things, which in the past have led me to wolf read him consistently whether or not he was town. So my read on him is without value, IMO. Esp here since he was sussing me. I see he didn't vote me out of the gate today, though.

That leaves Abbi and Daisy

So I have to catch up to the back half of Day 2, and to early today. It looks to still not be a hyperposting thread, so should be doable. And I'll see how catching up moderates my reads.

Linki @Daisy and myself, I just looked at the poll.

Daisy, you voted sig!

And you accused me of voting for lhf when i voted him myself?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 9:59 pm
Spoiler: show
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 6:22 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 1:57 am
From what I can tell, both Spacedaisy and Lime Coke thought they were breaking a three-way tie, or at least deciding the result?

If either Abi or sig are a Wolf, then it looks suspicious, but if they're both town, it's somewhat clearing, I think. Would a Wolf see a three-way Town tie and call attention to themselves as the decider?
Daisys last post regarding Wilgy was a very vague kinda null read. Wilgy was supatowning from out the gate, and I think Daisy knows his game well.

Also "from what I can tell"~ how can you tell what Daisy was thinking? We won't know until she tells us, which she chose not to do.

Also if you find making a drive by vote to break a tie that results in the death of a civvie not suspicious, I congratulate you on your open mindedness

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 1:57 am Yeah, I'm feeling like suspecting daisy for that vote is putting the cart before the horse. As in, it's only suspicious if Abi or sig are wolves.
Yeah, well, as someone who voted sig cause I thought they were bad, and still thinks they're bad, I think the horse is right where it belongs.

If Daisy comes in and tells us why her viewpoint on Wilgy evolved enough to vote for him, I might then change my vote to sig. I need to go over Falcons interactions with him EOD day one.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:36 pm Actually, no I misread that. I think it was falcon he was annoyed with and I can see why. sig was joking with Epi and says he was fluff posting and falcon seemed to be making a big deal out of it. I'm not sure I get what falcon meant.

The only weird thing I see with sig is actually just the fact that he is pinged by Epi for not joking, when he was even joking with Epi himself.
This is Daisys actual last post, from Tuesday night, almost a full day before EOD. A lot happened in that time, much of it somewhat esoteric disagreements about mafia philosophy. Nothing that Wilgy has not said before in other games, and I think Daisy knows his game better than most. I reread Wilgy to see if there was anything that could have changed her mind from "meh" to voting him, and I couldn't find it.

Her last post, understanding why sig is annoyed with Falcon. Gotta get ready for work, stayed late last night, go in early today. Luckily the month ends only ... once a month lol.

But yeah, gonna reread sig with a focus on his interactions with Falcon.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 5:49 am Good news I'm town
I might believe that if you throw a juice box at me.
Heres a thread quoting what SVS had to say about me specifically at the start of today. I spoilered it because it's a lot of space.

Anyway, as I was reading her line of questioning to Syn, I vibed with it because I thought the same thing. Why was Syn highlighting me in Wilgy's PoE like it was somehow relevant when I wasn't the only low poster in it. it was weird. So my reaction there was, ok I vibe with her that makes me feel town.

Where my wishy washiness comes in is with her response to my vote. SVS has played with me for ages. I can't imagine she actually believes I would drive by vote, with no explanation, breaking a three way tie to elim a civ in a game with only two mafia. It's appalling to me if she actually thinks I would play like that. And the fact that she took my post and implied I was somehow null-ish or had some read on Wilgy feels weird to me. I didn't say where I stood on Wilgy or sig because I was still trying to decide. Sig's tone felt mostly like Day 1 sig to me from the little I had read. Wilgy was going hard srsbsns on Day 1 with huge posts. And the Wilgy I knew was gimmicky and zany whether civ or baddie. BUT I have not played properly in years, so I was struggling with trying to decide if his serious case making was a wolf trying to look like he was gamesolving or a civ who truly suspected sig. Same with sig. I felt completely unsure if their metas that I had once known were even relevant. Much like Syn, I think adherence to the idea someone has a fixed meta is a recipe for getting pocketed. People can manipulate their known metas. And I have no idea how their playstyle has evolved over the last few years.

So when I was in a last-minute situation I wanted info. I pulled the trigger on Wilgy. Knowing Wilgy is civ now makes me feel like his case is more credible. I know Wilgy's ability to hunt.

So it's weird to me that SVS would think I would make such a suicidal move as a wolf and also would ascribe some read to Wilgy on my behalf that I never made.

Add to that it appears she has been going after low-hanging fruit both votes so far and it has me concerned.

You think sig was low hanging fruit? And I didn't vote for you becasue you were low posting; I voted for you becasue of something you DID. It's a fine distinction, but a distinction it is.

Also I said that your read on him was "meh" lol. Pretty non committal on both your part and on mine. This is literally the only thing you said about Wilgy before you voted for him.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:25 pm Hi Lime Coke. How do you know you and Long Con are both civ?

I think maybe the Wilgy and Long Con stuff is a misunderstanding. Also I finally get Wilgy's logic and like what he is saying about Syn. It's at least enough for someone to use on D1 I guess anyway.

I have not ISOed sig, but I recall the vague impression sig was aggravated. I should probably ISO though. brb

This sounds kind of nullish, doesn't it? As if you had a nullish read?

And tbh, I think making a move like that isn't stupid or nubby; I think it's audacious! It's a calculated risk that you can easily WIFOM your way out of it. NOT SAYING that is what you did, but that it could be4 seen that way. I have done similar things myself and I may be emo and ghosty at times, but I don't think of myself as stupid or lame. I don't think it's appalling; I think it's a compliment

I see you posted quite a bit yesterday, where did you vote? Me? I should prolly look at the poll.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 10:47 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:05 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:25 pm Hi Lime Coke. How do you know you and Long Con are both civ?

I think maybe the Wilgy and Long Con stuff is a misunderstanding. Also I finally get Wilgy's logic and like what he is saying about Syn. It's at least enough for someone to use on D1 I guess anyway.

I have not ISOed sig, but I recall the vague impression sig was aggravated. I should probably ISO though. brb
Hokay. This is Daisys one thought on Wilgy. Then she came in and dropped a drive by vote on Wilgy, the only guy who was seriously trying to solve.

[VOTE: Daisy] aubergine
I attempted to post my why, but I was voting last minute and the thread was locked when I hit post.

Apologies for not coming in sooner. I am also in a couple writing competitions and dealing with beta reading other's work and writing, revising, etc. I forgot the thread should have opened.

Now, here is what happened. I came in the thread at three minutes to 10, after visiting my brother and his family for the evening and having just got home. I found a three way tie between abigail, wilgy, and syn.

I didn't recall any case for abigail before I left. I felt like there was a very strong back and forth between Wilgy and Syn and that having information on one of the two would be the most helpful going forward. So I disregarded voting Abigail. Then I just had to decide Syn or Wilgy. I understood what Wilgy was saying but I thought it was a bit of a stretch. Syn, I don't know, his tone didn't stand out to me, and Wilgy seemed overly zealous.

So I voted a panicked, last minute vote for Wilgy based on coming into a three way tie and wanting to see some information to go off of even if Wilgy flipped civ.

This would have changed my vote, although I thought someone said Brad voted after you but I could be misremembering.

Do you generally find bad Wilgy to be overly zealous Day 1?

Sorry I was AFK, I had life and kinda lost track of the game.

Sorry sig; and tbh had I managed to get here I prolly would have switched my vote to sig, so as not to be on a vanity wagon.

I see Daisy showed up, gonna check my @'s and catch up.

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