The Syndicate

Faraday. And yeah, bidding on that was silly of me

Turnip Head wrote:So what's my avatar SVS?

I WAS bad, lol, even if not WW. No worries. You can keep the one you have, or change it to Professor Chaos if you like. I love Prof Chaos & General Disarray.

But I did think it ironic that you were taking flak for being annoyed at being suspected for the wrong reasons, when that is exactly what you did to me ha ha. I was just rolling that lynch, every one was so sure

And I kept thinking I had ways to refute it, and it kept turning out that I could not refute it. I would have voted for me

Also congrats winners

I started out as Park Place. I really want to know what led Hedgeowl to kill me.

It was kinda ironic that I came back as her teammate.

Awesome game boo

And sorry I killed you Epi, I was sure you were not going to die; I thought you were Electric Company. I wish I had checked you, Faraday. I did not check any low posters since the railroad I was seeking seemed pretty active.

LOL! You were still wrong

I will be PMing you post game TH

And the third point against me was my defense of BWT. In a game where you can change votes, and are actually encouraged to do so. I am fairly sure I was the only person not to vote for him in the end.

Linki, a girls gotta do what a girls gotta do

Don't call me lame

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:And MM, it's a pretty good case, it is built on coincidences, but it is hard to refute; i tried and found I was could not prove I had been here that night, and I could have killed BR. i am not WW, and I am doing what I can to survive.

I am not Waterworks, and I want to be taken seriously.
You're slick SVS. I'm keeping my vote on you. I'm sure TH will save himself anyway.

So you think I am lying? YOu want in too?

Turnip Head wrote:Yeah I accepted the bet up above. It's definitely making me doubt myself. Maybe that's the point lol.

You should cause you're wrong about me

I was thinking of this:

And MM, it's a pretty good case, it is built on coincidences, but it is hard to refute; i tried and found I was could not prove I had been here that night, and I could have killed BR. i am not WW, and I am doing what I can to survive.

I am not Waterworks, and I want to be taken seriously.

My profile pic for 2 months vs your pic for one says i am not Waterworks, and I did not kill Bass. You are dead wrong.

Turnip Head wrote:Voting for SVS. It's either her or me at this point and I believe in my case on her even if I'm having second thoughts now that she wants to bet on it. There's a lot of evidence against her.

Do you take my bet?????????????

juliets wrote:ok, i don't think SVS would make that bet if she was WW.

I never make that kind of bet, but in this case the case is so wrong, yet so plausible (I did not post anywhere on site the night of the missing Utility kill, I replaced in the night WW killed BR, there was something else I can't recall this second) that I thought I wanted to have some fun with it.

ebwop~

I thought you were lurking in the thread almost the whole time I was here, but not posting. When I left, then you started posting, but i could have been mistaken.

Turnip Head wrote:I'm at work so I post when I can. Sorry it coincided with your dinner SVS.

I thought you were lurking in the thread almost the whole time I was here, but not posting. When I left, then you started posting.

So do we have a bet? Profile pics, yours for 1 month if I am NOT Waterworks, you get mine for two months if I am Waterworks? I am pretty fond of my Awarewolf, I would be loathe to give him up

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:this is red:

Every time you say pink, MM it confuses the crap out of me.

ANd I am so not Waterworks, you are wrong there, although you ARE correct about me not being Red.
Yup

Every time I say pink, I'm talking about the second row, with St. Charles, States, and Virginia.

Now see, I thought you were talking about the reds. I think of those as violet, but OK. Thanks for clarifying. You were mystifying me a bit, since I thought you were talking about a different group. You don't seem to have any theories on the reds. Any ideas there?

I don't know, but I guarantee you it isn't me. And if you are not willing to give up your cake, then you don't really believe it :P

But I don't want that when I randomized that, I was happy you got it. I want a profile pic. Nothing degrading or mean, and I will be open to negotiation on that point. But yeah, I want your profile pic for a month. If I am WW, you can have mine for 2 months.

this is red:

Every time you say pink, MM it confuses the crap out of me.

ANd I am so not Waterworks, you are wrong there, although you ARE correct about me not being Red.

And if you think my reaction to bass' death sounded guilty, you cannot read me at all. Which is something I have already told you in a different game. I was in the middle of writing a post accusing Bass & MM of being BTS when boo posted that he was dead, lol. I was very surprised and did not really know what to say.

Linki, cause I just said it earlier, and I was in the middle of accusing you when bass died, MM. That could be where she got that notion

Well, you are wrong. And was i right or was i right; you posted as soon as I said i was gone

No matter what happens I will go down knowing you are wrong. SO wrong. While I was eating i discovered Godzilla Haiku, and now my life is zen enough that nothing can bother me.

So TH, what are you willing to bet that you are wrong?

Turnip Head wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Also, MM, totally circumstantial but true, if I had a kill last night (and I didn't cause I am not Waterworks) and I was stupid enough to kill one of the people I was bidding against, it would have been you. If Bass is still in BTS, whoever is his BTS partner, ask him if he really thinks I killed him like that.
I'll field this one. If you're Water Works, then you knew Bass's role, and you might have suspected he owned a hotel.

Your post reacting to his death looked guilty to me. Like you felt you had to justify his death.

S~V~S wrote:Oh I also just noticed that the utilites killed zeek, who I repeatedly said I thought was bad. That would have been almost as stupid of me as killing one of the people I was bidding against last night.
Again, if you're Water Works, you would have known Zeek's role. Maybe he had a hotel too.
S~V~S wrote:But srsly, it is a good case. But I still think he could be WW.
You've been saying for Days that you think I'm LMS and that the case on me being WW didn't make sense. Why are you changing your tune now?

I guess that everyone who has ever landed on a Utility owned a hotel, it's possible, I guess. But if that is the case, I know nothing about it. And the night no one died, I did send in a PM, I asked boo a question, and i checked TH for being on my group

I did think you were being railroaded for days, TH, but your reactio to Splints reversed me on that and I have suspected you for several days.

And JC, I never thought of it that way, but yeah, the

is an intimidation tactic.

*remotely

And considering that the Reds soaked me for one hotel stay, I would be just as happy to lynch TH if he turns up red as WW. But I can guarantee you that I won't turn up as Waterworks, or as someone with a Hotel.

Now really, dinner

I have to go eat (watch all the people not posting now but lurking suddenly start back up again). Based on who is leaning towards a vote for me (TH & LC) and who has not been voting, it is gonna be close. Good chance I am gonna get lynched. When I come back NOT Waterworks (and i will come back NOT Waterworks, since I am not Waterworks) you all might want to look at TH again.

I will be back in about an hour, though.

Linki, I might consider it if it even remotley looked like TH is sacrificing himself

But srsly, it is a good case. But I still think he could be WW.

Oh I also just noticed that the utilites killed zeek, who I repeatedly said I thought was bad. That would have been almost as stupid of me as killing one of the people I was bidding against last night.

Linki, well, I still think YOU were his BTS partner. But in any case, it was kind of a joke. But OK. In any case opinions =/= facts. The only people who know actual facts are the Utilities, and I don;t think you are WW any more than I am WW.

Also, MM, totally circumstantial but true, if I had a kill last night (and I didn't cause I am not Waterworks) and I was stupid enough to kill one of the people I was bidding against, it would have been you. If Bass is still in BTS, whoever is his BTS partner, ask him if he really thinks I killed him like that.

S~V~S wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:EBWoP~ and you are not the only person, or even the first, to warn of this danger. Either we all agreed to not search (which would be like herding cats, getting all of us to agree on ANYTHING) or this would become an issue eventually. But we still have to get rid of the baddies even if teams ARE forming.
Sooo, since we pretty much agreed to search, and groups have formed and houses are cropping up, we should just let them have our money?

We are on a new day now, and we have multiple leads. Whichever direction people decide to go will be very telling.

Linki: So how do you justify your trust in him now, LC?
Noooo... I was replying to a specific post, the one I was EPWoP-ing to.

I give up

this WAS the only post I made on board that day, lol. I checked and I sent PMs, but that is nothing I can produce and it is irrefutable. Like I said, I am not Waterworks, and this case is not true. Thats the best I can do.

I am NOT waterworks. Just because I did not post did not mean I was not here. And I did not kill Bass. Thats' all I can say. TH is talking his way out of another lynch. And if he is a red (why do you keep saying pink?) he has to go too. I have no hotels, amd won't be getting any. And I did not kill anyone.

boo wrote:Night 4 End/Day 5 Start: Nothing

No one has been killed.
Board Movements
Updated Board (courtesy of LC)

Powers:
1) Remove a die (Allows the player who uses it to remove a dice roll from anyone they want) - Starts at $50
2) Spy (See who a player of your choice targets at night) - Starts at $50
3) Swapper (Choose one player to swap places on the board with when played) - Starts at $50
4) Beatdown: This power allows anyone with BTSC to take over the night kill of one of the mafia teams. In order to do so, all members of the mafia team must be dead (at least 1 of them must have been killed with help from a member doing the beatdown), and then the night kill can be claimed. Can be played prior to the requirements occurring, but will only go through once they are met. Bids for this power can be done privately. - Starts at $200

Please remember all bids must increase by $10 from the previous bid to be accepted.

OH I get it now. But I was on the board, I posted in other places. I just did not post in here, my post count always goes down at night. I don't miss PMs. Like ever, anyone who has hosted me knows this.

Linki, I know, I read your case. Not sure I totally believe it, though. My gut says WW, but you could be right. All I know is that I am NOT WW myself.

And JC, I really thought MM & Bass had BTS, and he has been slippery and evasive much of the game.

Long Con wrote:S~V~S did not post for all of Night 4.

Her last post before, was from Day 4:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 360#p98891

And she did not post again until Day 5:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 480#p99050

S~V~S wrote:I had a busy weekend~ but kept up reading. I intend to reread both TH & Boogs a bit harder.

Can someone explain this to me? I don't understand what it is that this is demonstrating that I did? I would like to reply to this, but am not sure what I am replying to.

If anyone around here is WW, it's TH, not me. Sorry for papering the thread. I write, I post, I think "Doh! I should have said ________".

If I was BWTs partner, why didn't I move my vote? This was TH's post when he voted for BWT 12 minutes before the lynch post:

Turnip Head wrote:Voting BWT but feeling kinda bummed about it since I thought his response was a decent one. I wish we could have had a chance to discuss the case a little more.

And yeah, that was why I bid on Baltic. Bass had a more recent bid for more $$ for Mediterranean. I totally for got about the $200 for voting for the lynched people. This was the first property I bid on since the first night.

No I am gonna go down kicking and screaming. And WW does know Bass role then, I don't, though. Do you? How do you know he had a hotel?

I really feel TH is scapegoating me. If you read the last hour or two of last night before the night post, it is very obvious I thought MM & Bass had BTS. Not much time for posting over a holiday weekend.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm moving my vote to SVS for now. Regardless, it makes sense for WW to kill someone who they know has a hotel.

Can you explain this to me? How would I know Bass had a hotel? Lots of things being said today bewilder me tbh.

Linki, the post says Water Works. But I was alive that night anyhow. So that proves nothing. I had my nights mixed up.

Black Rock tends to ally with me. I don't recall EVER killing her. I did not kill her here either.

In any case, I thought it was Night three. But THs case is convincing, perhaps, but not true.

And specific points I did not address that I need to? That I can actually address? I thought Bass & MM (and still kinda do, actually) were BTS partners based on their last minute bidding strategy last night. It seemed coordinated to me, so I did on the property that had a smaller current bid on it. I had nothing to do with Bass dying.

i wanted to lynch Bass today, actually. Or MM if people were still not feeling TH.

LOL, I just checked, I came back Night two, it looks like? I thought it was three? I give up, ha ha. But it stands. I did not kill BR, and I did not kill Bass, or anyone else, but I am not waterworks. NOT.

Metalmarsh, I see you in here. Do you think Sabie was killing people on Night Two, and boo was replacing her on Night 3?

Sabie was DEFINITELY not water works, and neither am I.

Turnip Head wrote:What do you think of my case on SVS, Jules? And do you agree that we should try to lynch the killers before lynching the LMS groups? I'm coming up on the red part of the board, I might simply go bankrupt anyways.

Your case is wrong, I am not a killer. I did not kill Bass. I replaced Sabie, who had 3 posts. Water Works killed BR when I was dead on Night Two. I replaced her the next night.

juliets wrote:SVS are you going to respond to TH's accusations?

You know what time I get off of work, and you know when I commute. You played the game where I was freaking out on the bus, didn't you? I just got home.

Turnip Head wrote:There's a big part of my case on SVS that revolves around her involvement in BWT's lynch that was sort of glossed over so I'll expound upon it here. This post was SVS's only mention of BWT, hidden inside what's probably her longest post in the game. I'll highlight the part where she talks about BWT, but I get the feeling she was trying to bury it within a bunch of other suspicions.

S~V~S wrote:For me, LC has a certain "feel" when he's bad, he just feels phony. He feels like a salesman, like he's giving you a hearty handshake, slightly TOO hearty (I don't think I have ever articulated this before). He's a little edgier, slightly snarkier, more real when he's good. He feels on the level to me at this point.

Boogs, I think, has an agenda. It is an agenda I have seen from lots of people myself, the "Oh My God, You Screwed me SO BAD In the Last Game, I Can Never Trust You Again". He wants LC to be bad, and that's that. If anything I think that makes him more likely to be civvie rather than less.

At this pint, I am looking at MM, BWT & Zeek. I might table Zeek for now as I think this is gonna be tight and less spread is better than more, IMO.

BWT is DOING & saying all kinds of baddie things. But he is not acting like bad BWT all that much. Llama is calling him blendy, but bad BWT is blendy like Faraday blendy. BUT he could have switched it up. I hope he comes back. The case is good but my gut is waffling.

MM has said almost nothing that can be pinned down. He is agreeable, and seems to vote for people based totally on reasons other than whether or not they are bad.

Zeek has struck me as playing a very smooth, non spotlight style game. He is also not saying much of substance. I poked him twice, and his reaction was the same both times.

zeek wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I started my reread of Zeek this AM, and have to say, he does not seem like the same guy we had in Dr Who. Helluva lot quieter.
This is not-my-first-game-since-coming-out-of-retirement-Zeek. I'm sorry I'm not more like MP this game, but thats not my usual style anyway.

Speaking of MP, he's passionate every game I've played with him, so I'm not really seeing how he's different this game. He often hammers home his theories.

So, on my radar at the moment are BWT, LC, llama and Boogs.

I feel LC has acquitted himself well since the theories about him and llama have been put out there and I'm pretty happy not voting for him at the moment. He's seemed pretty genuine to me. llama is a different story. Still unsure about him but maybe not enough to vote there right now. I find the "you know me better than that" thing suspect though. I don't know him, why even say it?

BWT has a fair few empty posts and as pointed out he did say he'd only bid on property he felt was worth having. There's little reason to want the property he did bid for unless you're railroad. He also far outbid me for win an auction, when there was no need to go that high. I believe he has a bit of spare cash, makes me wonder how he got it.

Boogs has been acting suspicious the way he advocates lynching people with powers or has BTSC. He says the crux of his case is he thinks LC and llama are mafia but I'm not sure I believe that anymore. He may be trying to eliminate any strength developing within the civs. We need BTSC atm, so theres more trust. That can be a problem for endgame, once the Mafia are gone.

So yeah, may go BWT or Boogs today. My eye is still on llama.
That whole, "Speaking of MP..." feels like such a subject change. "Yeah I'm not bad, now lets move along, nothing to see here". This is totally gut and feels, but this was pretty much the same:

S~V~S wrote:
zeek wrote:Aren't you dead, S~V~S?
Disappointed to see me back?

zeek wrote:Of course not

I haven't played much with llama really, four cycles in Zelda but I was quite busy and couldn't follow the game fully. Even less with Boogs, she died before I did in that game. I do think the kitty thing is easy to hide behind though. Is this something she does when she's bad?

I'm interested in hearing from keys, as he's been very quiet after the searching debate and not said much about suspicions.
"Of course not

Now lets talk about something else. " is how that reads to me. But like I said, I will revisit this tomorrow.

Linki, not sure how I feel about that. But it did lead me to conclude that I feel more strongly about Metalmarsh~
So she acknowledged the suspicion against him but also defended him by saying he's a different sort of blendy when he's bad. Then she voted for MM.

And I didn't switch my vote to him, either, and if I was his teammate I would have to be dumb not to have done so. I believe I was the only vote left that did not switch to him.

I honestly did not think he was bad. I always read BWT really well, and he is (or used to be) much more opportunistic in voting when he is bad. He makes blendy posts with no back up when he makes votes when bad. I did not see that here, and I honestly expected him to turn up civ.

HannaK wrote:I'm sorry I havent been around much, school is being a bitch right now

I havent been posting a lot, but I kept up with the thread and for me LMS groups and baddies are basically the same as both can kill me at the point, but I rather lynch someone with a nightkill first as that has a higher chance of me ending up dead (I can always be very lucky with on which places I land) and the case against SVS is pretty good and it is intersting she only choose one point to which to reply instead of the entire case against her. So yeah, thats where my vote is going

I was standing on a bus stop on my phone. Just walked in the door.

And LC, not sure what your point is? Why does not posting for a few days incriminate me? Not being snarky, I just don't understand, especially in a game where so many have not been posting at all.

And I gotta say, TH, if he makes it out of today, deserves to win imo. He has been talking his way out of being lynched for days. Last lynch, instead of lynching him, we lynched 2 civvies. Making it easier for baddies to win.

Turnip Head wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Her reactions to Bass were in relation to you. She was thinking maybe you two had BTSC, I think. Water Works hasn't learned your role yet, MM.
I am one of the few fortunate remaining. I'm hope that's my saving grace.

Linki: Alright, I'll trust you on this TH.
Just go back and check how the bids went down. First, SVS bid on both. Then you raised her on one, while Bass bid on the other. Then SVS tried to raise you but not raise Bass, and then tried to figure out if you boys had BTSC. If she was already killing Bass she wouldn't have to raise him because she would get the property anyway.

I wanted to keep them out of the hands of the reds. Then I started bidding on one because I thought MM & Bass were partners and their bidding seemed coordinated, so I wanted to keep them from getting a Monopoly on those properties. It was obvious from the thread that I suspected Bass and MM of being teammates.

I did not kill Bass or anyone else.

I am voting for you, TH. Your reactions the past few dayshave not been civ IMO, and trying to push this onto me is weak.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
DFaraday wrote:This does look rather suspicious for both TH and Bea, but it seems that Bea has a fairly good explanation for her survival.
Why does it look more suspicious for them then it does for you? You also survived a Hotel iirc.

And just throwing this out there~ I did not get a PM from boo saying I got the property I bid on yesterday. So not sure who did. Maybe my last bid was too close to the end?

Linki~ it is possible. I certainly don't think he is the last unaffiliated civ.
I pretty much explained it to you yesterday. I won Baltic.

I don't recall an "explanation". Your last bid on Baltic was $5. I don't see an explanation in your posts.

There wasn't a poll, it was night. The night post was at 10, but not sure when night officially ended? It is possible boo did not send a PM, I can ask him if I won it or not.

DFaraday wrote:This does look rather suspicious for both TH and Bea, but it seems that Bea has a fairly good explanation for her survival.

Why does it look more suspicious for them then it does for you? You also survived a Hotel iirc.

And just throwing this out there~ I did not get a PM from boo saying I got the property I bid on yesterday. So not sure who did. Maybe my last bid was too close to the end?

Linki~ it is possible. I certainly don't think he is the last unaffiliated civ.

I was not implying it was suspicious, just that it had happened.

Also TH was at a hotel. Did not notice that first time around. Virginia Ave, so the Purples have hotels now, too.

That's interesting; I was getting the feel that bass had a team, so shrug:. I also see that bea survived a hotel stay, and that the yellows did not develop, it would appear.

$20 on Baltic

And it is interesting that bass knew your intent before you posted it.

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