Canucklehead wrote:S~V~S wrote:Well, perhaps he misread it the way I did
But when he said that I knew exactly what he was referring to.
SVS, I was in the middle of posting a response to this when the thread got locked.
I'm curious as to why you and DF (and he can obviously offer his thoughts, too) both assumed that my comments after the first threadlock match up with the interpretation DF cites here:
DFaraday wrote:
Because when I tried to investigate the circumstances surrounding the Boll thread lock, you reacted as if that was a shady thing to do. I wonder if you don't want anyone looking into it.
......because I went back and looked at my comments in the context of the first thread lock, and not only was DF not around (or at least not posting) at all when I made the comment about waiting for Mod approval before posting/voting, I said absolutely nothing in response to DF's next post, which I assume is what his earlier quote was referring to
DFaraday wrote:Black Rock wrote:
RIP Made. I am certain the baddies locked the thread when three civvies were tied at one vote each, giving them a free lynch. I would have probably voted Made if I could have just because the other two I am certain are civvie and I had no idea if he was or not.
That was my thinking as well. Although I wouldn't necessarily say that the three who were tied were civvie, simply that they are not Hacks. I am leaning civ on MM at this point, though.
.....so I'm a little mystified by your and DF's equation of my thread-lock comments to me "reacting as if investigating the thread lock was a shady thing to do". Help!
(sorry if this is a convoluted post......I tried to make myself clear, but it was a confusing series of posts that led to SVS' agreement with DF's misreading of me....)
(.....aaaaaand my clarifying post script is just as unclear as the rest of this post. Phooey.)
I didn't agree with DFs misreading of you. If indeed he did misread you. He probably is bad. But I kinda think you may be, too.
I will finish addressing why I thought what I thought about your reaction to Boll-lock 1 later. While I was reading through your posts looking for the posts that day after Daisy opened the thread, I ran into all of these posts where you defend MM, try teo redirect attention from him to other players, question why people might be suspicious of him. Tons of these posts. You actually mention MM more than anyone else in your posts.
Canucklehead wrote:S~V~S wrote:I think lynching either of them is good. I got a teammates feel from them, even when they were being adversarial, they were being sympatico. Like I said yesterday, it felt to me like MM was giving TH a platform for expressing himself, while doing a bit of distancing at the same time. Then TH made a remark about how MM is determined to misread him, and that was not how I was reading their exchange at all. That was why I put out the "popcorn" smilie; they were putting on an excellent show, and i was enjoying watching them.
I would say I was sorry it annoyed MM, but, really, I kinda wasn't. This is how I play, and it works for me
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SVS, in light of TH flipping civ, how have you re-organized your thoughts about MM? If he's not TH's baddie teammate (which seemed to be at least part of the fuel for your TH vote), what else about him makes you think he's bad? (I am in the process of reading back through all your posts to try to find your original suspicions of MM that are not TH connected, but I'm not quite done yet.....and regardless, I'd like to hear how/if your thoughts have changed given the new information about TH, or if the TH-teamie thing was not actually much of a factor for you).
Thanks!
Canucklehead wrote:Today I'm likely voting for Bass, DF, SD, or (outside chance) Dom. Bass, DF, and SD for being extreme low-liers, Dom 'cuz a have a gut feeling (but those have sucked this game, so I'm not too inclined to follow that again).
Still don't understand why MM is on everyone's lists. I've re-read him already, but I guess I'll give a re-read to his main suspector/accuser SVS and see if I can figure out why you all feel so unsure of him.
Canucklehead wrote:I do not understand the case on MM. At all.
I did a full readthrough of all 7 pages (superstar!) of his posts a few nights ago and could find absolutely nothing that made me think he was anything other than a civ trying to figure stuff out. I don't have a particularly long history with MM, so maybe I just don't know what his baddie game looks like, but I found nothing in his post record that struck me as baddie behaviour: no attempting to hide in the shadows, no fear of rocking the boat or drawing attention to himself, no frivolous leaps onto lynch trains once they began pulling out of the station (or at least not any more frivolous than anyone else).
I feel like this is a case where his name has been casually floated for long enough and "linked" to enough other subjects of discussion that he's become suspicious simply by being mentioned a lot. For anyone who feels inclined to, please show me where I'm going wrong in my read of him!
Canucklehead wrote:Alos, TH's Emmerich comment was weird, but I think his immediate "bwt is clearly info dumping and I'm bothered by it but no worries guys 'cuz it's clearly an incorrect infodump cuz I'm totes a civ but the ony reason he would go after me is if he has info but it's wrong info I swear trust" reaction post was even weirder.
And I think the resurgence in MM suspicions as TH is on the brink of being swallowed by a lynch train are weirder still.
Canucklehead wrote:S~V~S wrote:Canucklehead wrote:TH's case on Made is interesting, but I'm wary because I don't actually really trust TH at this point. However, in two-mafia games, baddies often make some of the best baddie hunters, since they're desperate to remove the threat of NK by the other team....so thinking someone might be a baddie si not neccesarily a reason to discount their suspicions and cases.
I did a read through of MM last night, and I really didn't see anything at all that read like a baddie to me there, so I don't think I'll be jumping on that train unless some more compelling thoughts/cases on him come forward....
So if you are not discounting cases, what do you think of Made & MMs cases on me? Do you agree that civs should keep a tight vote if possible?
I'm not sure I understand this allusion to "discounting cases"? My post stated that I wasn't discounting TH's case on Made, despite the fact that I don't really trust TH. I'm not sure how that is related to MM (who I see no reason not to trust) and Made's cases on you? (This is not a snarky response, just a genuinely confused one)
But to answer your question directly, because maybe you were just asking for my opinion and I'm reading too much into your choice of phrasing:
Since after my reread of him I see no reason not to trust MM, I wouldn't discount his case on you (though I ultimately don't agree with it), and even tough at the time of this post I was on the fence with Made (though we now know he was civ), I still wouldn't discount his case on you (though I also don't agree with it). I do agree that your concern about spreading the vote and having many missing voters due to the poll time was a valid one, and proved prescient re: the latter point.
Canucklehead wrote:TH's case on Made is interesting, but I'm wary because I don't actually really trust TH at this point. However, in two-mafia games, baddies often make some of the best baddie hunters, since they're desperate to remove the threat of NK by the other team....so thinking someone might be a baddie si not neccesarily a reason to discount their suspicions and cases.
I did a read through of MM last night, and I really didn't see anything at all that read like a baddie to me there, so I don't think I'll be jumping on that train unless some more compelling thoughts/cases on him come forward....
Earlier than this, you got into hot water (along with me) for not voting MM when you stated a suspish on him, but instead voted for, I believe it was AP. Since then, you have defended him.
Voting you, Canuck, Sweetie. This is a place where we are very alike gamewise, we have issues distancing.
But I will be OK with a Faraday lynch, too.
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