The Syndicate

Those are rather flashy

I have a better grip on your tells

Did anyone post a finalized roles list?

I was a blundering idiot ha ha. I was fairly clueless. But I really did think you were misguided, you fooled me completely. I said more than once that the things you said sounded bad, but the way you said them did not. I always thought I could pick out your bad game in the past, but not so much anymore. Nice job, you deserved to win this.

Basically I did this to myself.

timmer wrote:
Sophie wrote: Is this comfirming svs theory??????
it might. I think MR's in a tight spot. If there has been a mistake made, whichever he decides to deal with it will influence one of the factions in the game, which I'm sure has him feeling pretty shitty. I've asked him some more questions in PM, but as of now, my vote is up in the air.

I really wish you would just lynch me. All I have done is answer every question asked of me completely honestly, and I am done. I should have read my role more carefully, and have no expectation that MR needs to do anything about this from my perspective. Shit happens, yes?

I am looking forward to everyone saying I must be a seemer.

I would rather just end it now please.

There is no way I can win this, I am a paranoid mess becasue I KNOW there is a recruiting element, and I am tired of having to fight off baseless insinuations. Bai

I thought I did something on night one, and I based a lot of assumptions on it. But it turns out I did nothing. I have been sending in actions, but only the ones supposed to go through do go through.

I thought I was fairly clear in how I explained this, maybe even too clear. My confusion over what happened night one was becasue I thought I had done something when i had not.

The civvies lost this game, and I am kinda tired of this. I give up. Please vote for me. I won't be back.

I thought I did something on night one; its why I was so confused about what happened with BF and Rimmer that night. I thought nothing could have happened that night but I was in error

and if Timmer says otherwise its not true.

I voted Timmer to protect myself even though I am not sure how I feel about FZ either.

I don't think mine slipped by him; I think nothing happened.

timmer wrote:I'm not silenced.

I've sent in a PM to MR to confirm something from a long number of nights ago.

So am I right that, assuming that Roxy was Capt. Cold, that the only possible Old Rogues left alive are Heat Wave, Mirror Master and The Trickster?

In the meantime, SVS, I need to ask you. First, do you believe that Roxy was Capt. Cold? And also, have you ever, in the course of your travels on the map, found any useful items and used them on other players?

Your answers are very important.

Yes I do believe she was cc and no, I have found nothing. I have sent in movements, but have only actually been told I moved once since I had BTS with Sophie.

And MM, I have only really discussed the mechanics of one role. My error was that I have sent in an action every night. Doh. So I made a major assumption based on something that never happened.

No, I don't think so. If you are also claiming to be one, which it appears that you are.

I am one, and I think it has been painfully clear which one, regardless of MMs Heat Wave theory. But if I am lynched I will be OK with it if only because it will allow me to prove LC wrong ha ha.

But I do want to hear what Timmer has to say about this. I tend to miss things sometimes, lol. So, yeah.

OK, that makes total sense, assuming the CC secret is correct, and I have no reason to believe it isn't. I am one. I thought a specific other person was the other one. Because i do think there are two left.

I mean, prove it to me without presupposing I am Heat Wave.

I am not a huge fan of putting names on civvie roles, tbh. Although this whole discussion led me to notice something about my own role that I had totally missed, lol, and I want to thank the host for being incredibly gracious and not saying anything to make me feel stupid, lolol since I have been bollixing it up the whole game

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Long Con wrote:Why Heat Wave? How pegged?
Pretty pegged.

SVS talked about having BTSC with blindfaeth here.

And she and Roxy came after me when I was cursed on Day 3 with the same reasons at the exact same time, here. (check the following 10-15 posts to see the connection).

So I feel pretty strongly about it.

Interesting theories, MM. But I am not Heat Wave. Just because Roxy & I were on the same page, does not mean we had BTSC. I would have screamed bloody blue murder when she was killed if I did. I am most def OR, but you have to look elsewhere for HW. I had map BTSC with BF, not role related.

I talk about recruitment so much because I have reason to believe it could be a factor in this game. And I had clear roles in mind for a few people, and they started acting contrarily to what I might expect.

FZ, can you tell me why you believe me now when I seem to have been a question mark for you the whole game (indeed, you even qualified that statement with the "but why..." bit).

FZ. wrote:
Long Con wrote:We haven't lynched Girder, Blacksmith, Murmur, Tar Pit... we have lynched The Top and Double Down...And we have more and more reason to believe that Plunder is out of the picture at this point.

Girder must be alive (assuming that "he can't be nightkilled" includes "he can't be imprisoned"), and it's reasonable enough to assume that at least one of the other three have been randomly killed at some point.

We have killed Grodd and Professor Zoom, but Zoom may still be out there.

So... my estimate is that there are three or four baddies still out there. And how many players total now? 10 or 11?
I thought we had fewer still alive.

If you had to pick 2 players who are old rogues right now, who would they be?

Actually, I think there may be fewer baddies. What did people think of Faraday, Epi & DH? Any roles in mind for them? They were all killed by non bad roles so could have been bad. I think 1 or 2 of the three were possibly bad; I think Bullz might have been bad. I think there is either one Old Rogue left

, me, and perhaps one other. I thought Bass may have been, but I am also in the throes of recruit paranoia for him, so

I think everyone else is spread over the other affiliations.

I thought he was since I woke up one morning this weekend and he had posted in all the OT threads. Timmer isn't usually a big "Word Association" player.

Sophie wrote:I think svs, timmer, soneji, rabbit might be bad

*sigh*

I guess I need to reread llamas opinion. I had the exact opposite impression, myself, though.

Yeah, I think it probably is Day. Take a Shot in the Dark sounds like someone gets shot.

FZ. wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Long Con wrote:Metalmarsh, I'm open to other ideas for this lynch. It seems like you have taken everything you need from the "three number" plan, and voted to lynch who you assume is Bass. It's funny that, even though you have gotten some value out of the plan, you still want to put the plan down, and not participate. I thought we might get more information about people if we watch what numbers they choose, and see what connections we might make.

As for my TH vote... sometimes I vote early, sometimes I sit back and watch where the thread is going and what people are saying before making my decision. Sometimes a later vote can be the swing vote, and sometimes, like with TH, it won't make a difference.

I'm glad that I am trusted by those who trust me. I'm pretty sure some trust me for non-thread reasons, but FZ., I appreciate you trusting me without such reasons. I have no doubt that some people who trust me are bad, and trying to "pocket" me (I learned that term on Jesus Toast Mafia!), like S~V~S and Canuck did to me a few games back.
Yeah, I believe it was you that taught me how to buddy up to people back in the day on LP in the Supermarket Game, maybe, or Heroes.
SVS, if it weren't a number vote, but a regular vote, who would you vote for?

Like I said, I think there is a recruiting element in this game. If anyone is recruited, I think it could be Bass. That's a big if, though. If I was recruiting, I would have recruited Bass based on his probably role, not a personal preference.

TBH, I don't think any of you are on *my* team. I am so paranoid, schizophrenia is like right around the corner. There are a few people I have down as possible detectives, and while they don't need me alive to win, I don't particularly view them as "enemies". I would rather not lynch them. Or point to them. So I am going to say I doubt Sophie is a detective, I don't think she is Old Rogue. So her most likely.

Long Con wrote:Metalmarsh, I'm open to other ideas for this lynch. It seems like you have taken everything you need from the "three number" plan, and voted to lynch who you assume is Bass. It's funny that, even though you have gotten some value out of the plan, you still want to put the plan down, and not participate. I thought we might get more information about people if we watch what numbers they choose, and see what connections we might make.

As for my TH vote... sometimes I vote early, sometimes I sit back and watch where the thread is going and what people are saying before making my decision. Sometimes a later vote can be the swing vote, and sometimes, like with TH, it won't make a difference.

I'm glad that I am trusted by those who trust me. I'm pretty sure some trust me for non-thread reasons, but FZ., I appreciate you trusting me without such reasons. I have no doubt that some people who trust me are bad, and trying to "pocket" me (I learned that term on Jesus Toast Mafia!), like S~V~S and Canuck did to me a few games back.

Yeah, I believe it was you that taught me how to buddy up to people back in the day on LP in the Supermarket Game, maybe, or Heroes.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:I dont understand why you dont trust me MM. I thought I knew something but I was wrong I'm sorry for that. If you guys want to waste a lynch on me go ahead I really dont care, you are just hurting the old rouges shot at a win.
Would you reconsider lynching timmer?

I know you wanted to before, but you suddenly changed your mind.

Bass, I really need to know where you are. You had me ready to lynch MM, and then you turned around and went back to a Timmer vote. I was trusting you, but that threw me. Can you tell me which of those diametrically opposed suspicions you still hold?

And why #10, MM? You have a feel, or you have a srs feel about the #?

3,5,8 are the numbers I don't want to lynch.

I could get behind lynching 4,7,10.

I don't trust anyone, tbh. I think there was one Old Rogue left aside from me, and I think he may have been recruited. I think all of you are anti me

I think what MP said was right to some extent; the real win cons are going to play out after the Old Rogues are all dead. I think several people need me dead for this to happen, and so they are pushing suspicion of me. I don't count LC in that group since he has been pushing suspicion of me since Day One. While I don't think he's an OR, I also don't necessarily think he's bad.

I most suspect Sophie. She is not thinking for herself, she is parroting. Civ Sophie ALWAYS thinks for herself, even when she is not right. Sophie is following a party line. Or shes part of a group that will set LC up to take the fall after I am lynched Old Rogue.

Also, from the look of the forums this AM, Timmer is silenced? He posted on top of a lot of forums, making throwaway comments, which is unlike him.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:This game will help me when you suspect me in future games
I don't know if I should suspect you or not.

I'm hoping not.

What?

I was saying when I flip ultra civ (as can be in this game, at least) after LC has been making insinuations at me the entire game, I can use this game as an example of why noone should ever listen to LC when it comes to his read on me in future games. The whole game he has been making feints in my general direction, and he is totally wrong. He has no clue how to read me

They weren't "fake".

This game will help me when you suspect me in future games

Yeah LC vote for me.

I give up

But there are so many factions. I am so clueless, lol

TH not sure if you will wind up on my "OMG, I can't believe I trusted him AGAIN" list with Bass, or my "OMG I am never trusting him again" list with DH.

I don't know what to think. Bsss' vote confuses me, and the influence of the Top means nothing is reliable.

I am going with my gut here and voting Sophie. I don't get a seriously bad feeling from TH,but I don't get a good enough feel to try to save him with a vote for Devin. I feel stronger about Sophie.

If you think my role is dangerous, MM, you're totally wrong.

Gonna throw this out there; what if there are recruits? What does that do to the dynamic?

Those of us that are left need to try to work around the Sophie/MM/Devin bloc. Bass vote for Timmer, not sure if that is a Top thing or what it is. I still don't know what I think about Timmer, but I do know that I am not feeling great about Devin or Sophie, and the fact that I was already feeling queasy about MM and he's aligned with them gives me a deep feeling of foreboding.

I can't say I trust anyone, but I guess i distrust some more than others.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Sophie wrote:Clearly wally tried to ki tops and the kill backfired and killed llama instead of wally since wally is unnkillable. Therefore llama died.
I agree with mm about this.

Lets lynch th, i think he is tops
I think llama was killed by the long-thought-dead Professor Zoom. I don't think it was related to the Wally West kill.

Professor Zoom is dead.

My point is that he did not WANT to get around it, not what I think the Top would do, but what I think MM actually did.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace, Llama

Why do you think I'm a baddie, Marsh?
I agree with Devin, and a couple others.

But I will post a proper case when I get home tonight. I have been running on gutreads a lot this game, which I realize is not fair to others, and a bit selfish when it comes to lynching players.

That's odd, I was under the impression that Devin and a couple of others were agreeing with you
Hi there SVS. I don't believe I've stated that I think that Turnip Head could be the Top, but if I have, then our agreement is clear mutual.

Question for you. You are voting for me because I would self-target as the Top right? What about all the other players that would self-target, and/or would potentially use the announced curse tactics?

You're missing my point; it isn't that you would self target or not. Its the way you reacted to suggestions as to how you could get around saying "Timmer" 20x per post.

While you were Timmered you seemed to be going out of your way to be as confusing as possible and were visibly annoyed that people were trying to find a way for you to post normally. It got my eye at the time but we were more or less on the same page, and I did not see the point of acting in a way you might interpret as antagonistic when I felt fairly good about you st that point.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace, Llama

Why do you think I'm a baddie, Marsh?
I agree with Devin, and a couple others.

But I will post a proper case when I get home tonight. I have been running on gutreads a lot this game, which I realize is not fair to others, and a bit selfish when it comes to lynching players.

That's odd, I was under the impression that Devin and a couple of others were agreeing with you

Sophie wrote:Th is giving me baddie vibes, imo. Br points about him made sense, and he seems to be fooling a lot of people into thinking he is civvie

Can you elaborate here?

FZ. wrote:I see what you're saying regarding Bass, and I agree he shouldn't be voted. Sorry about that Bass.

Some of my questions are dumb, like the one about how many players are still alive when it's on the poll so I apologize in advance if some of my new ones will be as stupid. Honestly, I'm struggling to keep up with the game.

How many New Rogues do you think are still out there?
Did we solve all the tidles of the new rogues?
Is Zoom still alive?

Are the only people really defending TImmer and TH are Timmer and TH? I was defending them earlier, but am starting to wonder

Bass and SVS, why did you vote MM? If the vote was on TH, would you still vote MM or would you move it to TH?

I don't actively distrust TH at this time. And just as his points re Roxy made sense Bass' points re MM made a lot of sense to me. I think MM could have cursed himself with that Timmer thing, he seemed pretty annoyed about it when people tried to think of ways for him to get around it. I am getting an Indy vibe from TH moreso than a New Rogue/baddie vibe from TH. Why did you vote for Bass?

I asked him to clarify it for me, and he did. Like I said, just curious. Kinda like the question I asked Timmer.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I am curious about something; when I got my role PM, I was told by the host what my power was, how it worked, etc., and was ALSO told, that should a certain thing happen, that things could change.

Did anyone else have that in their role PM, a qualification?

I am OK with my vote where it is. I think MM being the controller makes sense.
There is only one role with question marks listed after the role description.

No it was not question marks, It was something not in the role description, just a qualifier, like an FYI. "If _____________ happens, then _____________"

Just curious if anyone else had anything like that.

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