The Syndicate

juliets wrote:Dom! You killed me! Or maybe Timmer did instead. Timmer, why me? I was so bummed to be out so early. But I forgive you because of that massive upset you scored in Tranq's game.

You were a civvie right? We did not stand a chance lol.

LoRab wrote:Bad baddies killing me!!!!

SVS I totally thought you were recruited, because you said I was bad in thread. you can usually read me!!!

No, I really thought you were bad

You have the best baddies, MP. have civvies ever won one of your games, lol?

I am soooooo proud of Boats that he made it to the end

I knew Timmer was bad when he kept trying to go after Boats, lol~

Congrats Residents, well played indeed

Epignosis wrote:I think at this point the Residents are afraid to talk.

I don't know what feb means, but the face looks the closest to the emotion I am attempting to convey.

FEB= fucking evil bastard (or bitch)

The Bar is hidden behind the 4th portal. See ya there

timmer wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:Holy fuck, I completely fogot I was playing this game. So sorry. I'm going to be catching up today.

Dude, I think you're dead, though? And bad? So, you know, BIH?

Awww, I really was hoping the 2 days was 2 mafia days

Socky is a harsh host~ good luck civvies

If I am going to die today based on the 2 days thing, I would just like to make a toast to my man Damo

He has some awesome shrooms

Dom wrote:I'm gonna vote before I forget. *vote=Epig*

I think y'all are wrong about him being Herman, but I DO think he may be bad.

So who do YOU think may be Herman? Why is the thread reasoning wrong????

Talk to us, Man!!!!

Yeah, I read it as sarcastic orange as well.

Epignosis wrote:
Dom wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
I would be interested in a lynch of Epignosis.

I would also like to talk about who may be Hermans partner. Getting rid of Herman would be a good start for getting rid of him and his recruit. Does anyone have a list of Hermans kills and Epignosis' votes? I have toleave for work very shortly, but I may be able to get on it tonight if no one else does.
I would be ok with an Epi lynch, I am just not as sure he is Herman...
I most certainly would not be okay with such a thing.

My mind is made up that Herman is dead, and I strongly believe juliets was Herman. In order to detect The Mysterious Voice, deeper sleuthing is required, which I am prepared to do now.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
The Mysterious Voice – Master and controller of many alternate dimensions. It is looking to invade and fully conquer the third dimension, and its first step in doing so is enslaving mankind and anything else that gets in its way. (Secrets) A power not to be trifled with, The Mysterious Voice starts off every lynch period with negative three votes against it.
This indicates that The Mysterious Voice will be extremely difficult to lynch.

As the ultimate puppetmaster, The Mysterious Voice can select up to four players each night and switch around their night targets to its liking.
This alone made it a nigh impossible task to determine who is who by reading into the night posts.

Additionally, any night action that targets The Mysterious Voice is automatically redirected back at its sender until Herman the Planet Smasher dies.
Yet another wrench in the gears of clearheaded cogitation.

However, this means that, in conjunction with the negative 3 lynch votes, The Mysterious Voice could not have been night killed until Herman's demise. In other words, The Mysterious Voice is (was?) damn near invincible.

Once Herman is gone, The Mysterious Voice does not inherit the kill from Herman and cannot redirect any night actions but can still use its switch power.

If we accept my assumption that Herman is history, then this means The Mysterious Voice is vulnerable, but only really at night- hopefully the Residents may do us a favor and unwittingly off him (as I suspect they did regarding Herman on Night 6).

Assuming a non-switched night kill, DharmaHelper was targeted by Ziltoid's army, but mistakenly killed (then brought back). This likely means that Ziltoid meant to attack DH, but DH had some manner of protection. Hence, DH is likely a civilian or, less possibly, a Resident. However (!)

It begins searching for a new slave the night subsequent to Herman’s death; the player it chooses has their win condition altered to that of the Duo and they gain BTSC. If the target chosen is The Omnidimensional Creator, the recruit attempt fails automatically. When The Mysterious Voice’s current slave dies, it searches the subsequent night for another slave; this continues until The Mysterious Voice is eliminated. Any slave recruit that already has BTSC retains it with its former team, but no longer feels allegiance to them. Once The Mysterious Voice is nightkilled or lynched, the Duo loses; assuming a slave or Herman is still alive, that player dies as well.
If I am right about Herman, The Mysterious Voice would have had to choose a new slave on Night 7. This of course is not information presented in the night post, and unless somehow The Mysterious Voice was role blocked, we are safe to assume that one of us now serves him.

S~V~S wrote:
Getting rid of Herman would be a good start for getting rid of him and his recruit. Does anyone have a list of Hermans kills and Epignosis' votes? I have toleave for work very shortly, but I may be able to get on it tonight if no one else does.
I may be misunderstanding your pronoun / antecedants, but Herman has to be killed before The Mysterious Voice recruits anyone.

Now if I am wrong about Herman being dead, then we still have a list of possible suspects:

AceofSpaces
birdwithteeth11
Boomslang
DisgruntledPorcupine
Dom
Jokreher
Juliets

Relying on this list of possible Herman the Planet Smashers, then, we may be able to narrow down who could be The Mysterious Voice by seeing who voted for these people (surely The Mysterious Voice would not cast a vote for Herman and negate a kill opportunity). Following that reasoning, anyone who voted for one of these people above is unlikely to be The Mysterious Voice. I cannot do that right now; perhaps this afternoon (early release due to weather).

OK, this post kinda does it for me. It sounds kind of like Epi really, really loves this role. A few things.

If we all decide who we think the MV might be, he is far from impossible to lynch. And teammates vote for each other ALL THE TIME. So looking at the potential Herman list and saying "Anyone who voted for these people can't be the MV" is a total double WIFOM deluxe with cheese.

And pointing out the fallacy of my post does not make the rest of it less valid, nice job of trivializing. And "Oh, I think Herman is dead, yeah, so the MV can only be killed at night (not true, BTW) so lets move along people, nothing to see here~"

I am gonna vote Epignosis now.

*Does So*

Linki~ all mafia is circumstantial, my friend. There is seldom a smoking gun.

EBWOP~

Welcome Back DH

Illyria wrote:Lo, I doth believe you SVS. *giggles*

But we should have known the faux lynch was up to no good. So if you do have 48 hours who do you want us to take out first?

I am sad DH is gone, as I had them pegged as a civvie as well.

Okay that is all the brain I have left. I used it here-- lo and rejoice!

I was (hopefully) reading that as two Mafia days, lol, but

I would be interested in a lynch of Epignosis.

I would also like to talk about who may be Hermans partner. Getting rid of Herman would be a good start for getting rid of him and his recruit. Does anyone have a list of Hermans kills and Epignosis' votes? I have toleave for work very shortly, but I may be able to get on it tonight if no one else does.

That would be LOL, I really am a civvie, not lo, ha ha

A question for the Host

@ MP~ do ones powers go through on a night you die? Sorry if this was already asked, i may have missed it

And my guess, Epi, is that Moondog thought DH was right about you.

And, lo, I really AM a civvie. No trick.

Hmmm

RIP DH, I think you were good. Maybe. Most of the time, I think you were

I have to do some role rereading to see why Epi survived. It is terribly interesting that Herman did not kill. There were PMs missing, but somehow, I don;t know that i think that Herman missed~

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Dom wrote:I'm gonna trust SVS.
So am I. I'm somewhat hesitant about all 3 of them, but I'm willing to trust a confirmed civvie on this one.

Why? I have no info, and trusting me re FH was a mistake. People saying this makes me nervous tbh.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Well that was an interesting result. Hopefully it winds up being a good thing going forward.

triceratopzeuhl wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:I think out of the 3 people I mentioned, the one that seems the most attractive to me is SVS]

I thought you had a girlfriend already
Stfu silly Canuck you know what I meant. :P

reywaS wrote:Interesting "lynch" result. I honestly didn't expect it to be that straightforward. LOL
I'm not so sure. As I said before, I really don't trust our host anymore after Avant 1. So to me, nothing is certain. I wouldn't be surprised if this comes into play later.

Well, I was kinda surprised to be outed too, lol, but I think most of the baddies knew that, and I haven't been very effective so....

If I did get something from it, not really sure what it was, lol.

I am sticking with portal 1

I really, really hope this is not a real lynch, lol~ I hope/think that whoever votes for an actual civvie gets rewarded. I waffled between a few people, but i am gonna vote for Boats. I think he has played a civvie game~ nothing he has done has made me think otherwise, and the fact that people i dont trust at all keep making little feints in his direction make me feel i am making a good choice.

And I hope that if i am right all the self voters are civvies

I hope we do not rue it as well

I am not sure who i am gonna vote for, maybe Illy, she has been quiet siunce she came back, but we all thought her civ enough to rezz her, so

DharmaHelper wrote:Ziltoid can search for a recruit, and who better to recruit than a confirmed civ? So thats one possibility. Possibility two is that either A) Frank Zappa got BTSC with Droopy and BTSC with the residents, recruiting Droopy by proxy, or B) Beefheart's secret is similar to Zappas and Beefheart is recruited by himself.

i agree that it is possible, anything is possible. But probable? But i agree he would be an attractive target.

I would like to know WHY you think that. I respect your judgment and trust your gut when civ. If you can show me what you see, I would like that.

Um, what?

DH, you were right about LT, but srsly, you need to at least try to explain instead of getting all *sigh* when people want explanations. Especially with a lor of people who don't know you.

Right, so its subjective.

Why probably? Possibly, yes. "Probably" is pushing it a bit, IMO.

A few people said they thought you came back from the Pet Sematery, though. Although you are confirmed before that...

Give it a chance~ it is so worth it

Feelings mutual, homes~

Holy shit, that looks like I wrote it on my phone

the worst one is "making US paint a target", not "making up"

We can't say, i was asked my opinion, I gave it

I think it is not a lynch~ while Sockalex can be expected to be Avant in this game, I don;t expect him to be mean, and making up paint a target on someone we think is good, and then killing them, is not "Avant" IMO.

Certainly, i could be wrong (look Flyin Highs book, coming out soon, "All the Times SVS Was Wrong"~ it's a big book with tiny print and no pictures). But i think he said something in the post, and that is what will happen.

Dom wrote:So waht do you think this lynch is about, SVS?

Well, I am not sure. I don't think it's a lynch, though. I think, or maybe have high hopes, that we picked the civvie portal, or at least a friendly one? The post said this:

As the players stepped into Portal 2 and it closed behind them, they were amazed by the incredibly vibrant and soothing garden that awaited them. It was truly nothing short of perfection. A voice came from above: "Greetings! Please nominate the one among you who is good at heart and you will be rewarded."

I don't know if the person chosen will be rewarded, or if everyone who votes for a civvie will be rewarded, but I think it is important that we really pick someone we think may be good.

Gotta finish catching up, I started from the bottom, and saw this question~ bbl.

timmer wrote:That's a good question about boats... has he played MP games before? Would he know what a "Socky thing to do" is?

I am fairly sure he played EMM at 4EW under a different name. Plus I know they are PA friends, so he may have played one of those games, too.

RIP JC, IYWG <3

Although i still would like to know why Dh left her off his list.

Not so sure how i feel about Timmer surviving, though. He inherited a lot of bad juju from CBK.

And we are voting for who we TRUST, not who to lynch?

Aces
DP
Juliets

Are the three people on n=both lists (plus BWT who revealed the secrets, sooo....)

DH, why did you remove JC from your list?

BWT has the red book, not DP.

DharmaHelper wrote:So in theory that leaves

Aces
BWT
Epig

And if Herman kills tonight, that leaves Aces and BWT. Fifty fifty shot, in theory.

Why did you remove DP? Did I miss something?

OK, the second portal is waaaaaaay too obvious.

i am going to go with Portal 1, at least that is something I can understand.

juliets wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
reywaS wrote:
juliets wrote:I've looked in the portalscope through all 4 portals and agree number 2 looks the best. Should I provide any more info about each portal or do you guys think that will help baddie?
I'd like to know more, but if you think giving up any more info on the portals would benefit the baddies and shouldn't be told then I understand.
Pretty much this. Having looked through it myself, I would recommend we not openly discuss what each one reveals as it could help the baddies.

I'm also going to trust Juliets on this one. I think she has the right idea.
Uh-uh. If Portal 2 looks the "best," then it's probably "The One that Doesn't Belong" and I refuse to vote for it, given our host.

I've not said anything today because I've spent it working on my first Mafia experience. Please check it out: viewtopic.php?f=7&p=4324#p3116
I thought about that - like, is it too good to be true - but there was no way I could see to distinguish which of the other three would be "good". Others who look may feel differently of course and vote differently.

Did I miss where it said the baddies can't look at them for themselves?

I asked to look, but my PM has not been picked up yet, so I am not sure. I will say that picking the most obvious choice in a Socky game may not turn out ....how we obviously expect it to, lol. Just sayin.

Crap

Sorry FH

juliets wrote:Sorry for the double post but i just thought of something. In his other games did MP ever rezz someone as a baddie recruit?

I don't specifically recall~ I will say that he has had some pretty wild mechanics, so it is possible, but I don't know for sure.

I am not 'portraying' you to be anything, FH, I think your actions are.

Have fun, I have a playoff pool that I am actually in the top three, so I am going to be doing some Football watching too

I think you are chaindeaths teammate. But I knew in my heart you were bad before the latest role reveal. Your intention to vote for chaindeath just kinda sealed the deal for me.

I am not as good at you as putting players into slots and figuring out who is who. I go based on demeanor, and how you say things as much as what you say. There are all kinds of logical things you can say based on information, but the fact is that they are ALL supposition, nothing more.

You would not do this, You would do that, you did this, it proves nothing. I ignored what you posted in my replies becasue i don't believe it to be true. And now you are flailing and trying to spread a wide arc of mud on anyone but yourself.

ebwop, voted "for her" not with her~

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:BWT also voted for chaindeath, right? And FH said she was going to before the secrets were revealed.
If you mean for the rezz, then no, I voted for DFaraday. I don't think I've ever voted for chaindeath at any point this game actually.

Sorry about that~ the poll came down so fast

And FH, the last, "well, um, maybe gonna vote for chaindeath" did it for me, and the fact that you did not mention bea at all until you voted with her~ and we all have dropped early votes on teammates for cred, and I don;t see 6th out of nine as early, especially when the 9th vote was the guy saving himself. And I am a civvie, you keep implying I must have some reason other than that I think you are bad for not letting go of this, but I don't. My agenda is getting rid of baddies. Sadly, i believe you to be one.
I think you are bad. I wanted to vote for you last time, but I was worried about the votes piling up on DH.

Posting all kinds of analyses and using them to point out what you would or would not do is supposition and WIFOM. I have pretty much seen everything you are saying you would not, or did not do, based on interpretative data, done in a game.

*Votes Flyin High

Dom wrote:
S~V~S wrote:BWT also voted for chaindeath, right? And FH said she was going to before the secrets were revealed.
How did FH deal with Bea's lynch?

As far as I can tell, she was one of the last votes for Bea.

A bit after 2 PM the day of the lynch:

Flyin' High wrote:I read back through DF's and Devin's posts and nothing really stands out as something they might have said to warrant getting on the baddies radars this early. DF pretty much focused on Leech's self-vote and Devin discussed the polls and compared them to his experience in Avant 1.

So yeah, I'm still clueless on who to look at today.

Her next post a bit after 6:

Flyin' High wrote:I think the case Kate brought up about bea interested me the most.

So I'm going to *vote for bea*

BWT lamented his missing the poll at 7:03, so it ended less than an hour after FH voted.

In a search of her posts, i found that the post where she vote for Bea was the first post FH made mentioning Bea.

BWT also voted for chaindeath, right? And FH said she was going to before the secrets were revealed.

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