The Syndicate

The thing that bothered me most in the after life, and during the body of the show,

I loved season 5, one of the few to do so iirc.

Ricochet wrote:

Matt wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I would have role-played if I had seen a single episode of the show.

You...haven't seen Lost? I'd recommend watching the first 5 seasons, and then pretending it was cancelled.

Lovely first 2 seasons, though!

Fixed.

Fixed back.

I liked the derailment out of logic, etc., and into mystery mindfuckiness.

Thanks for a fun game, Golden

Golden wrote:Floyds peek was svs. His night one check was zebra.

Mp will make spectator and mafia chat visible to all when he has a chance. Or th if he is watching.

Since the game was over,I did it.

That is always a good policy

That actually was another thing that made me suspish~ since everyone was saying "Bullz/SVS=civ" I was SURE one of us was gonna die. When neither of us died, I thought that was weird. I always play one day at a time. So the coin flip thing did not occur to me.

DrWilgy wrote:SVS out of us three who you think are genuine, who do you think is the best at being a fakie faker?

I am not that familiar with your fakie faker, but I bet it is pretty good. So I am gonna say Epignosis. I am proud of my civ read on him, I almost never have one, I usually suspect him for role play type stuff. So I am glad he was really a civ

a2thezebra wrote:Well I'll be damned. Bullzeye was my strongest town read of everyone remaining. I was torn between every other player being the last baddie. If I had lived to vote on this final day I would've officially sealed the deal that my voting record for this game is the worst I've ever had, and that's saying something.

Good job fellow civilians!

Once you flipped civ, I realized that I only voted you becasue I did not think any of the others were bad. Which meant maybe Bullz was. So I read & reread Day 1 until I talked myself into it.

I am really sorry about that, voting for you.

I just don't think Nutella or Wilgy are bad. I think they are easy lynches in a situation like this, since she tends to be blendy, not unlike Faraday, or say un-well thought out things when she is civ, not unlike myself. Wilgy is quirky and very much does it his way. So they are easy to misconstrue. But I am not getting a sinister feel from either of them. Not like I did from Matt or Scotty, and when I reread the first few days, and then reread Matt again specifically, it became very obvious to me.

He was setting up a fake "joke" suspicion ploy either he or Bullz could have used at a later time to distance if needed. And I fell into it like a great blundering ox. Thereby magnifying the effect. It also accounted for Bullz reaction to him, which was rather un Bullz like to my mind. I thought maybe that i was seeing civ Bullz, since I expected a more acidic reaction from him over what Matt was doing. In retrospect, I misattributed that, I think.

Like I said, I might be wrong, but I honestly think neither Wilgy, not Nutella nor you are bad

I know I am not, that means Bullz is. And a reread of Matt pretty much cemented it for me.

This game might have cured me of Mama Bear, tbh. I just immediately went into MB mode Day One, and when I went back and looked at it with an open mind, it all looked very differently to me.

If I am wrong I will be amazed.

DrWilgy wrote:

nutella wrote:And what exactly are your reasons for voting me? Sure I haven't looked perfect this game, but I'm a civ. I guess my behavior's been suspicious enough to make me an easy target for the baddies to deflect onto.

Does anyone else read this as a "NO U"?

Linki - okie dokie

Wilgy, I don't think she is bad.

Just like I don't think YOU are bad, for the same, or very similar, reasons.

The 4 of us are fighting back and discussing, I think Bullz has given up. I came in here this AM expecting to have my ass handed to me, and he didn't even bother to post. If Epi votes for you, I hope you will consider moving your vote to Bullz. Becasue if there is a tie, and she is lynched rather than Bullz, I am really pretty certain Nutella will flip civ. If I am wrong, you all feel free to lynch me tomorrow, I will cast the first vote. But I don't think I am wrong.

Winning dead or alive is awesome, but winning alive is more awesome

I am gonna wake up in the AM to an outraged Bullz,and he is right to be outraged, I guess.

But the way Matt did it,from it being about a joke about Bullz, to it being a real thing,and the way he lumped us together, and the way Bullzlet him ... I don't buy it.

Caught in a trap
I can't get out
Suspicious minds etc.

But I really would be surprised if Wilgy, Nutella or you were bad. Thats kind of why I fell on Zeebs yesterday.

Process of elimination. I may be an Iraqi torturer, but i was still on the plane I think Epi, Wilgy & Nutella were on the plane.

I just think he is being sincere. He is trying. And it isn't easy in this thread. EVERYONE is sincere. Cause we're all civs,except the one person who got handed a free pass day one.

The way I figured it, today Bullz lynches a civvie, probably Nutella. Then YOU get NKed (maybe me, but I think more likely you). I have already been suspish of Wilgy, so Wilgy would be next, boom, baddies win.

When I look at everyone else, it is the only thing that makes sense.

I just KNOW, in my gut, that you, Nutella & Wilgy are not bad. That leaves me or Bullz, and it isn't me.

I can't prove it, but yes, that is what I believe.

Itis hard to explain, she is just "slicker" when shes bad. When shes civ she has this plaintive air, she has it here. When shes bad, she is a bit more self serving. I tend to lynch her as bad when she's not MUCH MUCH more than I let her go as civ when she's not. I don't remember off hand ever thinking she was civ when she was not.

She always looks bad. She will say this too. I just don't think that she is.

But if you insist, lynch her today, and Bullz tomorrow, becasue I think there will be a tomorrow.

I am all right. Scotty freaked me out becasue he tried to push the issue on my interactions with Typh more than once, and the thing about whether or not I would kill him night one. I don't read him well, but that got my eye.

Iknow this is coming out of left field, I just ask that you reread day one and Matt particularly,maybe through Day 2.

I went in there with a totally open mind, and I was embarassed by how predictably I behaved.

I just think it is all in Matts Day 1 and 2. I am gonna go outon a limb and guarantee you that I will gnash my teeth in dramatic disgust & vow to torture no more if Nutella or Wilgy turns up bad. None of them feel sinister to me, you don't feel sinister to me, like Scotty & Matt did. And Matt, as far as I am concerned, painted a target on Bullz forehead that first day. If I had not plopped myself into that little play distancing of his, this game would have run differently, I think. That whole thing almost guaranteed Bullz lasting until the end. It wasjust bad luck they lost Scotty, and Bullz HAD to nudge him under the bus to keep his status.

Your points in his favor are valid, but in this case I do not think they are correct

DrWilgy wrote:SVS what is the argument for your own civviness?

Falling like a nub right into a trap I should have seen? That is mega obvious in retrospect. I think my reaction to Matt & his shenanigans, and my reaction to Scotty. Especially Scotty. That was subtle enough on his part that pointing it out to people would not have been distancing, it would have been "malicious" and toxic chatroom if I were bad. The biggest thing to point to my civvieness is my blundering around like an idiot, lol.

Please guys, if you have time, reread Day One, ESPECIALLY Matt. I reread becasue I honestly did not think any of Epi, Nutella or even Wilgy was bad, even though I had thought so previously re Wilgy. And I had been trusting Bullz since Day 1, literally. So I thought rereading might give me some insights.

Bullzeye wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Now see, I AM voting Bullzeye.

I think I played right into Matts bullshit on day one. When I read back on it, the way he kept grouping us together while he was accusing me of being personal etc., Matt kept saying "SVS & Bullz". In retrospect, had I not been so mama bear since I <3 Bullz, and know he has been shafted more than once by that sort of thing, I would have seen itfor what it was.

Bullzshit.

Voting Bullzeye

I'm sorry but this just doesn't make sense. Why does Matt grouping us together and trying to dig at you make me bad? Do you really think I'm the type of player to bury his entire team the way I have this game?

When I went back and read the first two days, your non reaction to Matt, and the way he went from "It's a joke" to "SVS & Bullz are bad" and more than half the time after he started doing the OMGUS on me, he lumped us together stood out to me more than anything. It was SMART of him to play it like he did. If he gets lynched, it makes you a Golden Ticket with me backing you up. If *I* am lynched (and he tried hard for that, and could have gotten it if Typh & Sorsha had not believed what I said) then you are still a Golden Ticket for the baddies. If YOU got lynched, then I would go next. It was some of the most beautiful distancing I have ever seen, and if anyone goes back and rereads day one, you can see Matt going from casual play distancing, to having a strategy. That is what I saw when I reread,and I cannot unsee it. You could actually see it crystallize. More than one person called him on it; was his suspish of you a joke or wasn't it?

I fell right for it hook line and sinker. Whether it was intentional of not (I would guess not, atleastinitially) once the potential was there Matt ran with it.

Nutella is an easy lynch, and Epi is easy to distrust. Neither of them is bad, imo, and even Wilgy has floundered a bit, but who has not? I am not bad, and I do not think they are bad. I find it unlikley that Bullz will be lynched today, but I will stake my anything, everything, on him being bad. Yesterday it was easy for me to turn on poor Zebra since I honestly don't think anyone else is bad, in my heart.

Matts early gameplay tells me you are bad, Bullz. Sorry, but it is what it is.

How'd you know what I was thinking, Redneck Man?

Now see, I AM voting Bullzeye.

I think I played right into Matts bullshit on day one. When I read back on it, the way he kept grouping us together while he was accusing me of being personal etc., Matt kept saying "SVS & Bullz". In retrospect, had I not been so mama bear since I <3 Bullz, and know he has been shafted more than once by that sort of thing, I would have seen itfor what it was.

Bullzshit.

Voting Bullzeye

I actually reread most of this bitch, and have done some thinking.

I just popped in for a few minutes between family obligations. I think I have been seriously wrong about something from the beginning. I made an assumption, and Matt played me for all I am worth. Which wasn't much in this game, apparently. I will be out for several hours, just one question before I go.

Bullz, who do you most suspect?

I just want to go brood in the jungle over the inherent dichotomy of being a good person, yet desiring to hurt people in a variety of frightening ways.

Sorry Zeebs. I should not have allowed myself to be so easily swayed.

Epi started the LOST thread in the entertainment forum.

Epignosis wrote:So I finally finished all of Lost.

What a crock of shit.

a2thezebra wrote:Speaking of which S~V~S, at some point are you going to follow through with your earlier statement claiming that you were interested in talking about the following day's potential suspects? Even if you insist on talking about today (for no reason other than there being time left in it) who would be your main suspects if I wasn't still alive and well to be lynched?

linki - I'm bad at gauging reactions.

There is only one baddie left. Casting suspicion on people we don't suspect for no reason is something we want to do why?

If you are lynched and we are incorrect about you, then we start over. I mean, feel free to discuss what you want. I am not like the Queen of this thread to tell you what to discuss or not discuss ha ha. And tbh, I just had a death in the family (not immediate family, my Uncle, but still close enough) and will not be around much anyhow the next few days.

And you don;t have to italicize at me.

OMG another person laying responsibility for their actions on me

No absolutely not.Like I said, it seemed like an attempt to get me worked up against Wilgy again.

That was a nice try though

I am 100% OK with my vote now after this post.

DrWilgy wrote:

S~V~S wrote:We are not talking about who we want to lynch in 3 days, we are talking about today.

I mean... It's better than Zebra locking up... If I'm wrong I want Zebra to contribute as much as possible before the lynch.

I think she was trying to get me to vote for you again, by asking you about your suspish order 3 or 4 people down.

See my point?

Linki, no we are talking about today. Today does not end for another 24 hours. And It is not meant to be insuilting, I think you know that about me; it just seemed like a seriously manipulative question, especially with the way I have been playing this game, flitting back and forth based on peoples reactions to me.

We are not talking about who we want to lynch in 3 days, we are talking about today.

Now see Zebra, that post seemed like you trying to get me worked up against Wilgy.

a2thezebra wrote:I'm fine with that, what I'm not fine with is that it took five days for it to happen. If I'm naturally scummy to enough people that I'm going to get lynched eventually just for doing what I do, then I'd prefer it happen Day 1 at a less crucial time. If we're seriously going to spend the next twenty-four hours with me as the top lynch candidate then let's at least look at who should be the next target when I flip civilian. Don't let the real baddies coast to the end game, especially since we've been lucky enough to get two of them already.

Awesome, lets talk about that. I had some very clear ideas, and you have seemed to be on a totally different page from everyone from the start, when you look back on it.

Maybe that is you being you. I don't know that. My main experience with you is from your old self, and from watching you for the most part as a mod or, to a lesser extent, as a host.

Linki, who cares about the last 2 out of 4?Lets stick to the top two on our lists.

Sometimes that just happens. It's a meta gestalt thing.

I am having troubles getting past that whole "trusted civ" thing plus you saying you are following me, rather than following a suspicion you seemed to feel more strongly about than I felt about Wilgy. So taking a leap of faith here.

Sorry if I am wrong, but moving it to Zebra.

That is a good point. She really is trying to say she is following me when I clearly said I am pretty waffled here. And like I gave her no choice

Atthis stage, I am going to go with my gut and vote for Wilgy. He just *feels* bad to me in a way neither Epi nor Zeebs do. And although she is setting off EVERY alarm I have, tbh, Nutella almost ALWAYS sets off my alarms. If a consensus can be reached otherwise, I am willing to change it. Bur for now it's Wilgy.

@Wilgy, I had to think about it, tbh. Then there were the two baddies we lynched in the intervening few days.

Doh,I posted this in the polls thread in error:

S~V~S wrote:So you are saying these two posts convinced you I was a civ, but not enough to ever vote for Matt?

S~V~S wrote:

Long Con wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I think it is known throughout the land that Bullz has the same chance mathematically of being bad or good each game as anyone else.

Real suspicion or jokey suspicion?

Is this a question or a suspicion?

It's a question, but also a bit of a "hrm".

Two different people had jokey suspicions of Bullz. And Bullz can be an easy lynch cause he gets defensive. So an early thrust towards Bullz, especially a jokey one like Matts, gets my eye.

S~V~S wrote:I don't have enough of an opinion about Wilgy to vote for him, or to want to save him at this point, at least, by voting for faraday, although Typh made a good point about faradays seriously preemptive save move.

So gonna drop a starter vote on Matt for picking on Bullz.

Have you heard tell that I am probably the easiest person to buddy up to?

OK, here's the thing. Early in the game I kept saying, Nope, can't lynch Zeebs, nope nope nope. See, I thought Zeebs was the role checker. After I made ONE on topic post,or possibly 2, she said I was her strongest civ read. I was like, WTF??

But I know people get peeks in these games, and they even come right out and talk about it, and maybe she had a peek on me, I thought, which would mean "role checker". Even though she denied being the role checker. But people do that, I think civs lie all the time, and I thought that might be it.

But then Floyd was the checker.

So Zeebs, this question is for you. Why did you have a strong civ read on me after something like 1 or 2 on topic posts?

Here is what I know:
- Publicly confirmed actual civilian characters: Boone, Shannon, Jack, Locke, Hurley.
- I know to be actual civilian character: Jin.
- I believe to be true claims: Sayid, Claire, Kate, Michael.
- Claims that have been confirmed as baddie fakes: Sun, Charlie.
- Claim I believe to be a baddie fake: Sawyer.

Now see, this is where I have the problem. Why would Sun be a baddie & not Jin? Why would our host do that? And why would one of the top three story arcs, Kate, Jack & Sawyer, be bad?

I tend, based on thread behavior,to lean most towards Wilgy. But that character distribution makes no sense to me, and I know our host to be sensible. Then I did not expect that he actually would give the baddies fake roles to claim, so what do I know about the host.

Gah.

OK, I finally got my OMG WHO'S GONNA DIE lynch post in my game, so I can play. I plan to reread this thread.

My top two are the same, Wilgy & Nutella. But Nutella is always sketchy as fuck, and I have a history of misreading her. I will never forget the game where she was Mother Teresa, lol, and I led a lynch on her.

a2thezebra wrote:Here you go Wilgy.

S~V~S
Bullzeye
Typhoony
DrWilgy
nutella
Epignosis

Typhoony was revealed as a civ.

He was also in the first half of the Matt voters the day Matt died.

What's weird is that in every poll, Scotty, Wilgy & Matt all voted together (until Matt died, lol). Then yesterday Wilgy was the deciding vote on Scotty. Not sure if that is a something or a noithing,lol.

Golden wrote:Day 2

Zebra 4 DrWilgy (2), Scotty (6), Matt (10), nutella (11)
Long Con 0
DrWilgy 0
Sorsha 0
Floyd 5 Epignosis (12), a2thezebra (13), Typhoony (14), Long Con (15), S~V~S (16)
Nutella 0
Scotty 0
Bullzeye 0
Typhoony 0
Matt 2 TheFloyd73 (3), Bullzeye (4)
S~V~S 1 Sorsha (9)
Epignosis 0
Golden (host/np) 5 Golden (1), MovingPictures07 (5), Metalmarsh89 (7), Turnip Head (8), G-Man (17)

This is the Day 2 poll, where we lynched the role checker

Both of the known baddies voted for Zeebs. The Floyd train did not start until after that pile up. Since there are only 3 baddies, I doubt Epi would start a counter train if two of his teammates had already piled up that way.

I think, based on this, that my order would be

Wilgy
Nutella
Epi
Zeebs
Bullz/Typh

I think one of Wilgy or LA has to be the third.

DrWilgy wrote:Typhoony...

I think you are the last scum! It's the only possible answer. You're getting my vote tomorrow.

What?

Not like Bullz~ he has been, victimized, for lack of a better word, by info more than once. He gets this bitter, spitting nails angry thing going on. Now, if I were him, I would work hard to eliminate that kind of reaction from my game. But it isn't always easy.

And tbh, in this game where apparently the host made it mega easy for baddie role claiming, I would expect baddies to be less intense about it than they would be in a game where the host did not tell them, "Here ya go, lets all roleclaim!".

Typhoony wrote:SVS what is your opinion on Bullz?

Either he has really switched his bad game out and totally chilled. Bad Bullz of yore would have lost his shit over all the role claiming. Also I think he would have lost his shit over the early suspicion for no reason with Matt as well.

Either that or he had a fake role to claim and him & Matt were doing some faux distancing that got out of hand becasue I made a stink over it.

I am leaning the former, but won't totally discount the latter.