The Syndicate

I was convinced Ninja was the baddie, she just sailed in and dropped a vote on me for no reason, and then as soon as I died a light bulb went off

I did not see much of Sabie myself.

You never think I am civ, so I was happy that you saw it

Maybe next time!

Elohcin wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Eloh, can you tell me what happened in the early part of the game to make you think I was bad?
I think it was the fact that you were really happy that I backed you up and defended you on Day 1. It gave me a gut feeling that you might actually be bad.

Lol, I was literally thrilled that for the first time you re3cognized my civ game ha ha. I WAS so happy

Eloh, can you tell me what happened in the early part of the game to make you think I was bad?

Yeah I knew bea was bad as soon as she posted after I died. Well played bea, you had me going. I am sad they totally ignored my death posts about Sorsha (I was like literally shaking my fist at the computer ha ha), but glad they ignored the points I made about bea

I am dead, I don;t send in PMs

indiglo wrote:

We have better drinks & snackzzz in dead land anyhow Sorsha

I find it unlikely that both the Narrator & B/N forced a vote on me. I don't see bea doing it that way if she were bad, pretending to be forced. It would be kinda mean and she does not do mean convincingly. To me Ninjas vote looks the crappiest.

I will probably still die since I don't see any of those others moving their votes at this point.

But I really do think it is a thing to take into consideration about who did/did not know our old school meta, and to take a look at my role, and then at my posts. I sent PMs every night, and got results every night but one (hi Narrator

)

Linki, no, I am not tricking you. Did you really think I meant otherwise?

Tricking you

I am not

Elohcin wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Sorsha wrote:Long con has not commented on svs at all this game nor given any read on the posts of hers I pulled earlier despite being on since I made them.
Forgive me... I actually thought your case about S~V~S and Scotty was really good. I just have my own thing I'm trying to work out, and if bea is forced to vote S~V~S, then I don't think it's likely that S~V~S is bad.
What if bea is lying about being forced and bea is bad? Would bea do that? I know bea and SVS have some kind of bro code thing on the Syndicate and won;t kill each other unless they need to. BUT....what if Bea decided to use that to her advantage Its a possibility, right?!

But what if SVS isn't bad and Bea really was forced to vote her?

The more I think about it, the fact that bea was forced without stipulating a case be made is something Sorsha would never do, becasue she knows how that would go down. I think someone who is less familiar with our history would have been more likely to have done that. While it would be nice for me if you were bad, Eloh, I really don't think you are based on how Epi reacted to you.

I was going to do a big predeath post giving some (legal and allowed) advice based on my role knowledge, but to heck with that.

Gun to head:

a2thezebra~ NO FREAKIN IDEA, But she has no idea of mine & Beas meta
Bea~ A Good ray of precious sunshine; I think she was forced by B & N based on how she posted it. She would have given a civ forcer more credence imo. Plus I think the Narrator knows who I am *NOT*.
DrWilgy~ more likely to be bad than LC imo, he was shiftier about the whole thing than LC
Elohcin~ I think she's a civ
Long Con~ Less likely to be lying about vote forcing, and knows better than to force bea on me without qualifiers
Nijuukyugou~ crappy vote, does not know about my meta with bea. Possibly bad.
Sloonei~ the same, although his vote is nowhere near as crappy as Ninjas
Sorsha~ While I would like to think she's bad based on her reaction to my point about B & N win cons, I don't think she would force bea on me
sprityo~ has no idea of the meta with Bea & I, otherwise, no read
S~V~S~ a universally misunderstood civ

Well one appears to be a forced vote. If I floated down from heaven an Jesus' side, Eloh would still distrust me. The rest meh.

The forced vote on me doesn't help tbh.

Your opinions on Sloonei, LC and Wilgy?

It has nothing to do with coming for me. If anything that makes you look better to me.

I thought you were bad for trying to discourage a Scotty lynch in favor of B &N and then being dismissive about the win con's, before you suspected me.

That's awful

Last month wehad a customer, an asian woman, accuse one of our service guys of racism. it's a hard postion; you can't call a customer a liar or corporate will have your skin, but you KNOW your guy did not do that.

Yeah I figured it out <3

Sorry I got pissy:)

OH! Maybe she was forced. I forgot about that.I feel better now.

I have stuff to do. After I flip civ (and I will

) lynch Sorsha.

Iam so looking forward to the lynch post. And to hearing beas explanation.

I am hoping you come back to tell me why. Becasue I think you know I am not bad.

you ARE, not ate,lol.

bea wrote:Imma vote svs. And imma pout about it.

Really??

Can you tell me why? YOu ate the person Imost expected to be able to see me for what I am.

Gonna post this awesome dance for everyone while they are voting

Sloonei, Sorsha & Elohcin so far.

I feel OK about Elohcin. She should have stuck to her original thoughts & trusted me though. Sorsha is bad. Sloonei... he also was against lynching FL. But one of Wilgy/LC have to be lying. So less sure about that.

Sorsha is bad. I am sure of it. And Wilgy more likely than LC.

Go for it!

And guys when it is over,remember who voted for me.

And poetry <3

You sound more sure than Wilgy, and dropped that vote down hard. He has been here since the poll ended and had he really thought you were lying, I think he would have voted for you immediately. That would be in line with how he acted in Recruitment when he had info that I was bad, and he did not dick around, he voted.

So Wilgy will get my vote as well.

DrWilgy wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Long Con wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Long Con wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Yeah, yesterday and yesterday only.
You are not going to win this "who is lying?" debate, friend. Especially when someone comes forward and tells us that Natasha forced their vote in the last lynch.
Well if that happens and I'm lynched we will know even more of the baddies. So they can come and this'll be fun!

Unless I was right and I'm going to die tonight. Where you really trying to send the moose after me to prevent any anti NK shenanigans?
Even if that's the case, peabody just needs to check me :P
I don't think the other players are that unaware of the roles, to believe that there is one that becomes more vulnerable when roleblocked. What anti NK shenanigans are you referring to? And I ask this knowing I'm feeding the troll at this point - no offense to you personally, of course... but we both know that this is a line of bullsuit.

@bea: Yes, yesterday was the last lynch, and it is the one I'm talking about. The lynch that Wilgy and I are both claiming to have been seduced by Natasha is the lynch before that. I'm interested in finding out who was seduced into voting someone during the last lynch.
LC, you aren't thinkin big enough. What if I'm Nell and you wanna take down the force fields? What if I'm narrator and you don't want me to attempt to re-direct?
Are you saying you could be Nell?
Yes. I could be anyone. Who do you think I am?

I know who i think you are not, lol. Otherwise, not sure.

Sloonei wrote:Put my votes on SVS and folklore. SVS because because of my Scotty analysis yesterday and her uninspiring response to it, and folklore because folklore is neat.

How did you expect me to reply to it? If Scotty was kissing up to me, that makes me bad how?

Do you have an opinion on Sorsha?

DrWilgy wrote:
Long Con wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Long Con wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Yeah, yesterday and yesterday only.
You are not going to win this "who is lying?" debate, friend. Especially when someone comes forward and tells us that Natasha forced their vote in the last lynch.
Well if that happens and I'm lynched we will know even more of the baddies. So they can come and this'll be fun!

Unless I was right and I'm going to die tonight. Where you really trying to send the moose after me to prevent any anti NK shenanigans?
Even if that's the case, peabody just needs to check me :P
I don't think the other players are that unaware of the roles, to believe that there is one that becomes more vulnerable when roleblocked. What anti NK shenanigans are you referring to? And I ask this knowing I'm feeding the troll at this point - no offense to you personally, of course... but we both know that this is a line of bullsuit.

@bea: Yes, yesterday was the last lynch, and it is the one I'm talking about. The lynch that Wilgy and I are both claiming to have been seduced by Natasha is the lynch before that. I'm interested in finding out who was seduced into voting someone during the last lynch.
LC, you aren't thinkin big enough. What if I'm Nell and you wanna take down the force fields? What if I'm narrator and you don't want me to attempt to re-direct?

Are you saying you could be Nell?

Sloonei wrote:I did a quick scan of Scotty's post history for clues about his teammates. The reads I'm expressing in this post are based solely on the content in Scotty's posts, and are not my overall reads on everyone in the game, though this information is certainly going to have an effect on the way I read players.
Players who look good in Scotty's post history:
MP/Matt: Scotty spent a lot of time campaigning to get him/them lynched earlier, and it strikes me as being too strong an effort to be a bus attempt.
sprityo: Mainly from this post:
Spoiler: show
Scotty wrote:That was a weird lynch. Ideally I would have voted for to save myself in the wake of another weak round of voting for me, but I wasn't around since intermission of my show last night to defend against those stragglers.

sprityo wrote:Oh, hur dur I can't read.

Okay, I can just believe people vote fornscotty just for being Scotty

sprityo wrote:my conclusion, scotty is the mafia and congratulating himself on killing low posters since he knows it will benefit the game as whole, it's just after like the 2nd or 3rd time he said it is when i really noticed. someone said somewhere in Arkham i think it was "mafia love to talk about themselves" or something akin to that. maybe it was "power roles" v instead of "mafia." idk, maybe you can correct me scotty, but why is wilgy suspicious to you. Wilgy has like, nothing of product except maybe a few comments?
Your tune changed mighty fast. You were suspicious of me as of day 2 followed by 'well he's probably just Scotty being Scotty' and immediately 'he's scum! Let's hang im!' Hmmmph.

Why the hell would I congratulate myself? Yes, I believe in lynching no-posters because imo it benefits town if the Mafia starts killing the vocal ones early on, leaving ghosts to talk. Mafia killing no-posters helps town even more, and if I were Mafia, I would be completely against killing off no-posters. Strategically that's a ridiculous, albeit kind, strategy for Mafia.

"Mafia love to talk about themselves" ok. I don't remember anyone saying that, but that's a very generalized statement that doesn't apply to everyone. I've known many a Mafia just keep to themselves and cruise on through the whole game. I just love to talk. It's what I do, and I usually die because of it.

Why is Wilgy suspicious to me? You just re-said exactly why Wilgy was suspicious to me: "nothing of product". And he has still brushed off my suspicion of him.

Sprityo, I don't think you are good, and had I not had majority I would have voted you based solely on this comment. It tells me you didn't read my previous posts and are reaching for the moon.
Scotty seems a bit flustered here, like he's reaching for somewhere to throw shade and shake the suspicion off himself. I read this post as him genuinely trying to turn suspicion against the low-posting, easy-target sprityo.

Players who I'm not sure about but at the moment leaning positive:
Long Con: Scotty hardly interacts with him at all, but when he does it's to address LC's suspicion against him. I think if LC was trying to bus his partner, Scotty would have done more to put some distance between them in these interactions. He barely does anything more than ask "why?" and then fails to follow it up, and I sense a bit of tension in these posts as well. It strikes me as Scotty responding to a genuine case against him but not wanting to push it any further because he doesn't know how to respond.
DrWilgy: There was very little mention of Wilgy on the first 2 pages of Scotty's history, but the last page was full of little Wilgys running around, when Scotty suddenly turned on him after previously calling him a "good egg". This could be a desperate bussing attempt by the two of them, or it could be a sincere effort for two opposing players to get the other one lynched. I'm leaning towards the latter, but this is not one I'm too confident about.

Not much whatsoever:
a2thezebra - Remarkably little interaction between these two, given how much they've both posted. But this does not tell me much. I am slightly inclined to say that I think one or both of them would be unafraid to interact with their scum partners in the thread, but there's really not enough here to make a judgment on.
nijuukyugou - Literally nothing outside of Scotty commenting on my Day 1 niju vote.
Sorsha - This is the most substantive post. I'm slightly inclined to say Scotty's response feels too tense for this to be a teammate interaction, but it's not nearly enough to make a definitive judgment on:
Spoiler: show
Scotty wrote:
Sorsha wrote:If Scotty is or isn't the fearless leader I'd think they would want to lynch him, especially if he is FL and they were able to convey to him somehow their identities. Keeping him alive runs the risk of him slipping up and revealing them or being hesitant to vote for one of them in a close lynch or any number of ways of outing them by accident. Plus, if he isn't FL of course they would just play along that he is to get a civ lynched.

I think if he is Nell he will die tonight by snidely whiplashes hand (unless that's not possible if Dudley is still alive) otherwise he is FL.

.....and he didn't die via snidely. So I'm willing to bet he is FL.

My main suspect for Boris or Natasha happens to be SVS so I'll put my vote there.
Interesting theory there Sorsha. Is that what you would do if you were Mafia?
I like how you've framed this so cookie-cutter. Did it it occur to you that Snidely may already be dead?

How much are you willing to bet? I'm not a betting man but I love to gamble when I know I have the advantage.
Not good:
Bea - There's not a whole lot, but that's not surprising because Bea hasn't been too busy in the thread. What little bit Scotty does have to say about her, though, is always at least a little supportive (excuses for her not to be in the thread, encouragement about her own ideas, etc.).
Elohcin - I did a complete 180 on Elohcin while making this post. At first I had her at the top, between sprityo and Long Con, but when I was typing up my thoughts I started to doubt every word I was saying. Scotty starts off positive about Elohcin on Day 2, saying a few things in support of her, and then later starts to backtrack from this once she becomes suspicious of him. I could see this as two teammates attempting to distance themselves from one another.This post in particular isn't sitting right with me. It seems like a very bizarre reaction regardless of alignment. I can't shake the feeling that this was the beginning of a planned distancing maneuver.

The worst:
SVS - While so many of my other theories in here have revolved around the potential for a bussing strategy, I have SVS all the way at the bottom because there is nothing remotely close to bussing here. EVERYTHING scotty had to say to or about SVS was supportive of her, without ever really going so far as to express a read on her. I again can say that this could have been Scotty's plan, but I'll never get anywhere if I keep circling the drain of WIFOM in my own analysis. Scotty was softly but definitively supportive of SVS for most of the last few phases (and mum on her prior to that), and this reflects very poorly back at SVS imo.

And now I have to confront the fact that two of my strongest town reads all game long are at the bottom of my list here. Woohoo.

Again, this analysis is based solely on the content in Scotty's post history, and is not a complete representation of my thoughts on the game.

Yeah, he was buddying me. I am known to be susceptible to it.

Okey Dokey.

Bye Scotty

BIH FL

Sorsha wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Sorsha wrote:If Scotty is or isn't the fearless leader I'd think they would want to lynch him, especially if he is FL and they were able to convey to him somehow their identities. Keeping him alive runs the risk of him slipping up and revealing them or being hesitant to vote for one of them in a close lynch or any number of ways of outing them by accident. Plus, if he isn't FL of course they would just play along that he is to get a civ lynched.

I think if he is Nell he will die tonight by snidely whiplashes hand (unless that's not possible if Dudley is still alive) otherwise he is FL.

.....and he didn't die via snidely. So I'm willing to bet he is FL.

My main suspect for Boris or Natasha happens to be SVS so I'll put my vote there.

Actually your reaction to what I said makes me think you are Boris or Natasha. What you said up there would count for any bad team not just a split one, anyone can give anyone away at any time. The fact that your reaction to what I said was basically,so what's your point, makes me think I hit a nail on the head.

Voting Scotty.
Yes but you were casting doubt on a Scotty lynch yesterday, saying you didn't think this was his baddie game. Now you vote for him even though you think I'm Boris or Natasha?

Right...and if I were his baddie teammate who knew he was not going to die, that would profit me how? Generally baddie teammates whi know a teammate is going to survive a lynch don't bother defending him. And my win cons are to defeat all of the Mafia, not just B & N. EVERYONE pretty much agrees that Scotty is bad. All the civvies need him dead. Let's make him dead and then sort out the people who did not want to lynch him on the day he could actually be lynched.

Scotty wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Sorsha wrote:If Scotty is or isn't the fearless leader I'd think they would want to lynch him, especially if he is FL and they were able to convey to him somehow their identities. Keeping him alive runs the risk of him slipping up and revealing them or being hesitant to vote for one of them in a close lynch or any number of ways of outing them by accident. Plus, if he isn't FL of course they would just play along that he is to get a civ lynched.

I think if he is Nell he will die tonight by snidely whiplashes hand (unless that's not possible if Dudley is still alive) otherwise he is FL.

.....and he didn't die via snidely. So I'm willing to bet he is FL.

My main suspect for Boris or Natasha happens to be SVS so I'll put my vote there.

Actually your reaction to what I said makes me think you are Boris or Natasha. What you said up there would count for any bad team not just a split one, anyone can give anyone away at any time. The fact that your reaction to what I said was basically,so what's your point, makes me think I hit a nail on the head.

Voting Scotty.
SVS why not place your vote on her then?

Because that will require case making and I don't have time for that today. More people are willing to vote for you, and I am very sure you are bad. So there you go.

Sorsha wrote:If Scotty is or isn't the fearless leader I'd think they would want to lynch him, especially if he is FL and they were able to convey to him somehow their identities. Keeping him alive runs the risk of him slipping up and revealing them or being hesitant to vote for one of them in a close lynch or any number of ways of outing them by accident. Plus, if he isn't FL of course they would just play along that he is to get a civ lynched.

I think if he is Nell he will die tonight by snidely whiplashes hand (unless that's not possible if Dudley is still alive) otherwise he is FL.

.....and he didn't die via snidely. So I'm willing to bet he is FL.

My main suspect for Boris or Natasha happens to be SVS so I'll put my vote there.

Actually your reaction to what I said makes me think you are Boris or Natasha. What you said up there would count for any bad team not just a split one, anyone can give anyone away at any time. The fact that your reaction to what I said was basically,so what's your point, makes me think I hit a nail on the head.

Voting Scotty.

Well, if they play the long game, they will want to keep as many of them alive as possible. It may not be that big of an issue now, but come endgame, they will want to be in a better position, and keeping as many of them alive as possible would be a smart way to play it. It is easier to win if you can have 2 opponents alive than one.

Bit that was why I thought that the fact that B & N know who FL is matters.

The baddies have an outnumber win condition, so they will be less likely to want to throw each other under the bus. If we think Scotty could be fearless leader,looking for people who don;t want to lynch him might give us information, even if it is a bandwagon.

Also not sure if anyone already asked; can people who were seduced say so in the thread? Is that allowable?

Sorsha wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Bottom line is that Scotty is 50% likely to be bad, but without BTSC.

Do you want to lynch him straight off tomorrow, or do you want to leave him alone and hunt the BTSC mafia? You know, the ones with the kills?
I vote for Boris & Natasha hunting, otherwise we're just going to have a bandwagon day that gives us no new info.

True. But now they have gotten a few fearless leader messages,and likely know who he is. So we need to keep that in mind.

I super seriously doubt he is Nell.

Lets lynch him.

Do you think so? I am not so sure.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Matt wrote:Yo Llama mama - You should do that thing in the first post where every player name links to their ISO.

Totes.
I would, but I'm awfully lazy.
I would, but I'm not playing.

Or you can just click the link under their avatar.

bea wrote:Just got to work running late. Making an unsure trust vote for Scotty if you guys think it's best.

Scotty is not in the house. I hope you guys are right. He looks very different to me than he did in LOST Again, but that is my only basis for comparison.

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