The Syndicate

That game was awesome, I remember I won, but I don't recall how.It had someting to do with the reset.

I know. I was reading some of the prison stuff, and it looked like a lot of fun.

At an early stage of the game, our crew got intel for completing our mission that Golden was a member of the Daisy Mafia. So I start target painting him hard, lol. But other than that, I think we were all more fixated on eliminating you cops than each other. I killed Dom becasue my Don thought he was bad. From a long view strategic viewpoint, killing der Sloonei might have been smarter, but I thought the baddies would win before we got to that stage if we started killing each other intentionally.

And regardless of mechanics, game play is what wins game. Your team played to win, Epi.

I will go clear out 607001 now.

As soon as MP told me I had a kill, I said, Kill Soneji, I was so sure you were bad and you were snowing Sloonei, like Epi had snowed me. Then when TH said what he said about Dom, I switched it since my confidence was shot after being so wrong on Quin & Scotty, and I seemed to be the only one who suspected you.

When I got to come back as a prisoner, I spent most of my time reading back. I was so pleased you both were bad! But in retrospect, I should have stuck to my gut read on you, but hey, whatever. You played a beautiful game, for sure.

And Typhoony, I can't believe neither of us thought to discuss Ninjas & Pirates. I guessed Ninjas. Was that right?

Also,lulz at the capo crew challenges being not known to the Don. I was sure we were suspecting him or something that he wanted to shut us up when we got the 3 post challenge, ha ha. Doh.

Congrats cops! You played a great game!

MP & Daisy thanks! And a quick question, had I not changed my kill the night I killed Dom, had I left it on Soneji, would things have been different?

And yes Quin, I will add whichever statement JJJ likes to my Sig

And I guessed Bea, Rico & JJJ for sure during the first prison break.

*My life is reduced to grovelling before a sock*

Don't be,I am just glad to see you back!

I think either TH is who we thought he was, or he planned for this very endgame since the beginning and is manipulative in a way that is unfathomable to me becasue it also would have affected his admin stuff, and I don't buy that.

I hate to keep being the pain in the ass person,lol.

linki, OH OK!

over defensiveness for the win ha ha

I am sorry. I tried to explain it yesterday.

Things did and did not happen for me based on TH and when he may or may not have been here. I really don't want to get modkilled at this point.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:The only people I won't vote for are Sloonei and S~V~S. If you two can come to an agreement, I'm with you all the way.

Well, let's see how the night goes, if there is even a tomorrow. But yeah, I am on that same page. Although for my own reasons, I trust TH too.

Turnip Head wrote:Why are we sussing Eloh? Sorry if I missed it.

509378 had a theory that that encompassed many posts saying that Eloh & Dom were the surest baddies.

Nerolunar wrote:Just when we thought we could lock down some variables. What do we do? If we get to live another day Im inclined to believe Elohcin is still a valid lynch option, if just to decrease the number of cops.

This feels like you are throwing a teammate under the bus as she is uninvolved, and if she does flip bad, you get to say you called it. The WiFom pre-defense. This just reads that way to me.

That post of Neros reads to me as, "I hope the Greyhound is here on time".

I think we have spent way too much time overthinking things. Our best success came from a last minute "Let's just give in to our feelings" CFD. Not that I want to do it, but incessantly analyzing & discussing has got us nowhere whatsoever.

I hope TH can get in here today. I really need to hear his thoughts.

At this point, I don't care who we lynch so long as it is a cop.

OK, Sloonei. Thanks for clarification.That was some conovulted reasoning there lol.

I trust TH more than I trust anyone at this point. If you are saying you think TH is bad,you have just totally lost me.

Sloonei wrote:A thought occurs!
Spoiler: show
Sloonei wrote:
Traitor – Defects to The Sockfaced Famiglia if The Don votes for him at any point in the game.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Day 1

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The Traitor from The Daisy Crime Syndicate has defected to The Sockfaced Famiglia.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Day 4

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agleaminranks has been arrested. He was the Traitor, a member of The Sockfaced Famiglia. He had defected from The Daisy Crime Syndicate after Day 1.

Neither Turnip Head nor Mongoose voted for gleam on Day 1.
Sloonei's ace investigative work demonstrates that neither Turnip Head nor Dom can be the Daisy Don.

Combine that with this, from night 2:
DrWilgy has been killed by the Hitman from The Sockfaced Famiglia. He was Crew, a member of The Daisy Crime Syndicate.
Meaning that this post raises a valid point. I am skeptical that Mongoose would have submitted a kill for Wilgy on Night 2. It's not impossible, but I find it more likely that Turnip Head would do this. I'll go back to investigate there posts RE: Wilgy on Days 1-2, but my gut feeling is that this points more toward TH than Domongoose.

Wait a minute Willis

Are you saying you think TH is bad now?

Dom wrote:I don't. Not if we cannot both survive for civvie reasons.

Give me a number then. Pick a number and give it to me.

I really wish to hell that TH was here. This would be so much easier to figure out.

Regardless of how many there are, I think TH survived for a legit civ reason.

Sloonei wrote:
S~V~S wrote:In retrospect, based on what did & did not happen to me, and based on timing, I am inclined to believe that TH is in fact a Don.
Are you legally permitted to elaborate?

Not sure how far I can go. Things did or did not happen as I might or might not have expected that seemed to correspond to TH being or not being AFK?

In retrospect, based on what did & did not happen to me, and based on timing, I am inclined to believe that TH is in fact a Don.

Sloonei wrote:
Traitor – Defects to The Sockfaced Famiglia if The Don votes for him at any point in the game.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Day 1

...

The Traitor from The Daisy Crime Syndicate has defected to The Sockfaced Famiglia.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Day 4

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agleaminranks has been arrested. He was the Traitor, a member of The Sockfaced Famiglia. He had defected from The Daisy Crime Syndicate after Day 1.

Neither Turnip Head nor Mongoose voted for gleam on Day 1.

I did.But I am NOT a Don. If this is what you are saying.

I forgot about that. I thought they could be arrested.Nvm.

I still think Nero & Soneji are bad.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I reiterate that if the cops had or have a secret lynch stop, this game was over days ago.

You make suppositions based on all the possiblities,not just those you think best.

I think only one Don is alive.

Two of the 4 baddies, Nero & Soneji.

Oh, now Nero & Chaindeath CAN be teammates?

Good Night.

509378, I just feel like you're steering. And steering is my biggest baddie alarm. SO I know you can't be bad, but I am having probems dealing with it in a real way becasue it does not feel that way to me.

I am not trying to be obstructionist but I can see how I might look that way to you.

So I am sorry about that.

God Bless us Every One.

Well the way myu mind works is that if I offer an argument,and i am refuted rather than understood or considered, I withdraw. Something tells me you have run into this before.

It does not feel that way.When i say something dissenting, it feels like you are trying to refute me rather than understand me.

Yay TH

I hope that after today, we can talk together rather than being told what is and is not logical or what does and does not make sense.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:Oh please, pray tell? What is S~V~S's role?

You don't believe Turnip Head is a cop, which means you are still left with Dom as a cop, which means your accusation of Nero makes no sense.
I believe S~V~S is not a fighter.

And my accusation of Nero is just fine, thanks.
You're saying exactly nothing now.

S~V~S there is nothing left to trust in this man.

You're the one who said I trusted him,not me. I said I distrust others more.

I trust Sloonei, I still trust you, and while I did not trust TH initially after his survival, I have reason to believe he is on our side. That is who I trust.

I distrust others more than Epi.

Soneji wrote:I think for his part in the Scotty lynch and a bit too much tinfoil in regards to you Prisoner . That hes so strongly hostile towards anything I support doesn't help matters, its rather close minded. On second thought, Sloonei has less mechanical clearance as him being a Don requires coming to a logical conclusion from something Ika said.

The entirety of your game makes me distrust you. I also feel like the thread is being steered, and you are buddying up to the steerer HARD.

I am sorry if you think me not trusting you makes me bad when this is pretty much the first time you have really joined the discussion in any meaningful way. Trying to shove suspicion as someone who is basically confirmed at an intense LYLO conference screams bad to me.

I know our playstyles clash as well; but in the almost 8 years I have been playing online Mafia, it has served me well.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Y'all wanna know what I'm really after? What really drives my rage?

Death to the Warden.

Just now when I reread this, I thought it said Death to the Walrus, lol.

I have tied my brain up into a knot over this. I will check in periodically and I will follow your vote, Sloonei, if 509378 & (hopefully) TH also do so. I don't want to be the fly in the ointment, but I intensely dislike feeling steered, and after a full nights sleep, I reread last nights thread, and I still feel that way. I feel like we are trusting people we should not trust. I feel that I no longer have any objectivity.

So I will go with the program votewise, but I don;t think I will have much more to add to the conversation other than angst & frustration, and the less of that the better

You absolutely have not. I do think you killed some of my friends in this life though

I just want to get a good lynch.

Sloonei wrote:@Hosts: can yu confirm whether or not the loan sharks are still in play? We reciver notices from you early in the game but those have now stopped.

I am really pretty sure one of them is gone. I don;t know about the other.

And 509378,when I said before I was paranoid of you for days, I meant it.

I can be OK with Dom. I am not ready to go from "sure fire baddie" to "possible baddie leader"

You don't feel like Mr Teamwork right now, tbh. I don't feel like a team at this minute. Soneji seems to be on your team now, lol.

It's always something, and it never ends with a dead baddie. Even if those other presumed baddies have not talked much, they have not missed many votes.

I was not feeling all that great about Epi, but the more you keep pushing the better I am feeling. Not sure why that is.

Like the posts you made showing all the relationships and Eloh & Dom were bad in like almost every scenario.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:S~V~S, how comfortable would you be with lynching Epignosis this phase?

When we went off of Nero, you said you wanted to lynch someone with the best likelihood of being bad; Dom or Eloh you said.

Where are the 85 posts & charts saying Epi is more likely to be bad than them?

Sloonei wrote:Tinfoil theory that I want see come to fruition: the Prisoner is an insider working foe the cops. His role in this game was to take the families down from the inside. Like Leo. He has been steering us all in the wrong direction since he showed up. Like Leo.

I have literally been worrying about this for days and days and days. I just did not want to say it out loud

Yeah one more fucking stupid thing I've done. Thanks for reminding me of that

I still think Scotty was the Seemer, but what do I know, lol.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:Okay, Nero and LC definitely didn't have BTSC
No, they didnot.
We agree. Nero and LC did not have BTSC. It appears you, BR, and LC had it as Sloonei may have discovered.

Why do you think BR might have been killed before you?

linki: we've not heard from the mods about either loan shark larwlt, I assumed them both dead

Well, I think one was Indi.

And yes, you are right prisoner, BR probably got killed before me becasue he buddied me. Between Scotty, Black Rock being killed becasue of me and being tricked worst game ever.

I believe one of the loansharks to be dead. So if the other is not, there is only one set of loaner votes.

S~V~S wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:Okay, Nero and LC definitely didn't have BTSC
No, they didnot.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Okay, Nero and LC definitely didn't have BTSC

No, they didnot.

Sloonei wrote:I think I'd put Epi in front of Nero.

Dom
Epi
Eloh
chaindeath/Nero

I guess I'm reading Soneji as town, maybe.

Soneji has suddenly become involved now that we are talking about him & Nero is how it looks to me.

Linki, yeah that's it. Not that Nero could be bad.

I will be back to make the final vote.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Just to ensure I don't get too hardheaded, or appear that way to others I trust: I know I'm not infallible, and I know I'm not your boss. We don't have to do everything I say. If you think I am straight up wrong about something, then please mash it against my face.

I have been trying to and you are not letting me.

I will not lynch you, Sloonei or TH.

My preference,in order, is:

Nero
Soneji
Dom
Eloh
chaindeath
Epignosis

I feel more confident about the first 3. I would just prefer to stick to our guns for once, but any of those 3, I will vote for.

I will vote for whoever we lynch. But as I said, this all feels like Saving Private Nero to me. If whoever we lynch is not bad, I'm done, lol.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Lynching Nero felt like saving Epi. I don't care about saving people. We can change our votes whenever we want. It's a collective decision.

I disagree. Lynching Nero felt like lynching a baddie. If you are so sure Epi needed saving, why aren't you trying to lynch him?

If you think Nero & chaindeath can't both be bad, do you think Nero or chaindeath is more likely bad?

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