The Syndicate

CaptainNifty wrote:
TonyStarkPrime wrote:Wilgy says Hi and this is his message:

Now that everyone knows my personal life, the best order for POE lynching is probably as follows:
MP, IR, SVS, LC, and go from there.
That is to safely remove unknowns from the game. We only have 4 days until NK's catch up with confirmed civs and then it's back to figuring shit out.
What's the case against MP?

He went after GFish on Day 1, backed off and was absent from the GFish lynch Day 2. Has coasted ever since.

MP could be town but I'm with Wigly that POE means he's probably not.

Hard to evaluate quiet players.

S~V~S wrote:Basically I am taking votes for the way I play, which is different than most. Fred doesn't like it. At least that's how I see it.

I know we talked about a baddie who was NKed by his own team for the WIFOM, but I don't recall ever saying it was LC, or did I miss that post? Possible.

In any case meetings today so I am not likely to be around. It won't break my heart if I come back dead.

The way you play is to spend four days going after the same player and refusing to say why?

That's your town game?

Sounds like you're throwing a pity party to me cause you're bad and you phoned in your performance.

@LC

I had Sprityo down as my last townie and it looks like Fred is thinking the same thing.

You're worrying me a lot, though. Stop me if you've heard this one. There's strong evidence that a player is town and it turns the game around if everyone buys it. The town is on their way to lynching some scum. A mafia member plays dumb and acts like they can't decide, hoping someone will give them a reason not to trust the townie so they don't have to vote out a baddie.

Ever heard that story?

I'm confident I can self confirm as not Cerberus or Reaper.

Just don't lynch me if I'm silenced tomorrow. I would be floored if SVS and Dizzy don't make it through the night and if all three of us are around, I'd be floored if they didn't spend tomorrow voting for me. With vote increasing/nullifying, I don't like that at all.

Linki: You know, as much as Epi's being a pain and voting for me now, I'm less worried about him than I am SVS.

Change vote to SVS

Welcome to the world of four to five confirmed townies.

Long Con wrote:Well. How solidly should I believe this?

The only possible way he's lying is if Wigly and TSP are the doggies and they forged the real Shepherd's identity. That's what it would take to fake a night 3 masoning.

TSP softclaimed a role that was known to be in the game. He did this prior to Dom and Silver's deaths.

GFish claimed a different townie role, not Shepherd. Fred confirmed Bob wasn't Shepherd when he got vanillaed. Fred could be lying but that would require a second forge and an additional mafia member that Cerberus doesn't have. Llama died before Night 1, making it impossible that his id was forged.

Ergo, you should believe it 100%.

TonyStarkPrime wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:TSP is Shepherd and he's fucking Wigly.
Thanks for revealing the secret, man. That ain't cool.

But I wasn't the most secretive about it either, so whatever I guess.

Sorry, Commander.

Fredwood wrote:Fry meme aside, care to say how you came to this groundbreaking information?

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/postin ... 4&p=357131
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 38#p357238
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 51#p357851
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 84#p357884
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 84#p357886
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 84#p357888
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 84#p357891
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 40#p358125
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 40#p358129

Fredwood wrote:I thought Marmot was Shepherd.

TSP is Shepherd and he's fucking Wigly.

*sigh*

It might be best to just tell you, regardless of your alignment.

Long Con wrote:I can't decide whether this is all "wack", or "cray".

I hope history doesn't judge me too harshly for not understanding the latest ""revelations"".

Remember Phenom when it was so obvious but things went to shit anyhow?

Don't be the Sig, here.

Never did like the Geth.

Think I know what I'm talking about, TSP?

S'okay. I already have it narrowed way down.

Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Yes. Why don't you vote for a baddie instead?
Just curious- why is Wilgy a civilian?
Yah. This. Wilgy is not a Civilian, people.
I know Wilgy's exact role.

Lol do tell.

Epignosis wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Epi is attempting to sacrifice himself.

Is there a reason not to let him?
What makes you say that?
Cause he's not trying to get us to not lynch him.

Epi's good. He's surly. He will fucking fight you to stay alive.

But today? He's entirely passive. You and I have practically begged him to give us a reason to spare him and he didn't feel the need to.

Why? He wants to die is all I can come up with.
Since when I have cared about people begging me to do something?

Lynch someone else please.

Please.

Please...

Please!
Why you vote for townie?
Is that what I did?

Yes. Why don't you vote for a baddie instead?

Hard means you think they are boys. Soft means you think they are girls.

Epignosis wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Epi is attempting to sacrifice himself.

Is there a reason not to let him?
What makes you say that?
Cause he's not trying to get us to not lynch him.

Epi's good. He's surly. He will fucking fight you to stay alive.

But today? He's entirely passive. You and I have practically begged him to give us a reason to spare him and he didn't feel the need to.

Why? He wants to die is all I can come up with.
Since when I have cared about people begging me to do something?

Lynch someone else please.

Please.

Please...

Please!

Why you vote for townie?

sprityo wrote:naw

anyways, ive already explained why i watched myself, if you choose not to believe that, well i apologize.

in my own words i said "If I am able to, i want to RT myself, otherwise i want to watch DrWilgy"

to which i got a response along the lines of "youre allowed to watch yourself" and i was like cool

but it appears my other course of action wouldve been better. damn you self targetting why did you have to be such a good idea in my head?

Yeah. Wigly would have been a lot better.

I'd like you to watch me tonight if you are who you say you are. I don't want to be silenced again. You don't have to say anything. Just throwing that out there.

Long Con wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Epi is attempting to sacrifice himself.

Is there a reason not to let him?
What makes you say that?

Cause he's not trying to get us to not lynch him.

Epi's good. He's surly. He will fucking fight you to stay alive.

But today? He's entirely passive. You and I have practically begged him to give us a reason to spare him and he didn't feel the need to.

Why? He wants to die is all I can come up with.

Epi is attempting to sacrifice himself.

Is there a reason not to let him?

Immortal_Raven wrote:I know that sprityo claimed that, but RTing oneself is inherently a weak idea. If you're killed or blocked or MDed in any way, your action is in effect wasted. I would think a solid player would know that even if powers aren't the norm here.

My more likely scenario is that sprit has been lightly after me since gfish was lynched, indicating that he thinks I'm Cereberus aligned. Saren of the Reapers has a one-shot tracking ability that I would say he hoped to catch me killing someone last night. Failing that, hoping to catch me in a lie about who I targeted would be an option. I'm on a lot of crap lists for being both quiet and not lynching folks who turned out to be scum. If he can waste a day lynching me, he can chalk it up to reads relatively easy as I'm not a terribly controversial lynch candidate at this point.

Bottom line, the action sprit claims to have taken is weak at best and I don't believe it for one minute. I think he's Saren or possibly Aria in the neutral segment.

Don't think I didn't notice who claimed first. Nothing saying Syo has a track or watch at all.

That said, I'm not inclined to vote Sprityo today.

Long Con wrote:
sprityo wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:For the record, I think self watching is generally a huge waste, especially with outed townies.
My gut told me to do it, and my gut got me some results

I dont see it as a waste

linki: unless your killer poisons you and you die the night after. but that's just me
1. What do you mean, Jack, "especially with outed townies"? Is sprityo an outed townie?

2. So, sprit is claiming to have self-watched, and Tali is the only role that can do that? I haven't looked at the roles for that yet.

3. Night 3, sprit, you self-watch and use up one of your two uses, based on gut. Do you suspect I_R? Do you know what he did to you? What are the possibilities?

1. No. I mean a watcher should be watching confirmed/suspected townies to try to catch a scum killer red handed. Watching yourself usually doesn't help and leaves townies open to kill/block/misdirect/etc.

2. Yes but no. Other people could do that (as Raven pointed out, there's a mafia member with a track) or the results (just confirming what IR said) could have been made up.

Sprityo claimed Tali, town x shot RT and iirc x shot misdirector or jailkeeper or some such.

I question the usefulness of his info, especially as a scumcatching device, given he had already claimed.

What we get from this is Sprityo vouching that you aren't the silencer and maybe not the mafia hitperson (assuming you were the only one to target him), for whatever that's worth.

Adam? Raven?

Anything at all ya'll would like to contribute?

Jack
Tony
Wigly
Fred
Nifty

LC
Nut
Sprityo
Adam
MP
Raven

Dizzy
SVS
Epi

I'd strongly prefer to lynch from the bottom 3. I've put forth cases on all of them. I will not vote for the others in the top 4.

TonyStarkPrime wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Tony

Who would you prefer?
IR or dizzy right now are my biggest suspects. I don't quite see the value in lynching Epi just because he isn't being the most helpful. A

I'd be 100% down for a Dizzy lynch.

I'm not seeing town Raven but then again, I'm not seeing much Raven at all. I have very little reason to suspect or trust him. You got a case on Raven?

@Tony

Who would you prefer?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Cool, we lynching Epi this phase? Any reason, or just because he's a neutral?

The essential argument is that Epi is either town or Reaper. The Reapers know which. The rest of us do not.

Instead of trying to help the town, he's playing this distracting riddle game and voting for a known townie.

That's not good guy behavior.

I mean, literally the one person you can target and not be able to catch a killer.

For the record, I think self watching is generally a huge waste, especially with outed townies.

Dyslexicon wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Show of hands~ does ANYONE think Jack is a civ?
Not a chance, and I'm not really guessing. =) Voting Jack

Celebrating tonight and will catch up tomorrow.

This should be good.

@Sprityo

IR said he targeted you last night.

S'not. I'd be 2. LC wouldn't be -1.
Maybe known mafia votes - known town votes?

I don't really care. If he's good, there's no reason to beat around the bush about it.

Silver ISO was an absolute bust. He talked to LC once and discussed/talked to no other players whose alignments I don't already know.

ISOing Silver.

More funny stuff than useful stuff.

Silver Lantern wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Silver Lantern wrote:I just read the Geth Role. Frankly, I don't have an issue with him. I think that the fact that he claimed obviously means he plans to side with the Alliance.
I got some swampland in Florida to sell you.
Lol Silver = Reaver
If I were Mafia Jack, you wouldn't have lived past N1.

You don't know how sad it makes me that I'm not the vig...

Long Con wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@SVS

Have it your way.

Lynching uncooperative Silver with his bullshit nonarguments and nonhunting worked out great. Lynching uncooperative Epi, Dizzy and SVS looks fine to me.

Ya'll are dead in the water anyway with four, maybe five confirmed townies.
Nice, can I be one of them? I'll be number maybe 5 even!

I assume fredwood and Nifty are two. I think that's been public enough, although it will take confirmation from one more player for me to fully believe Nifty. Off the top of my head I don't know any others, but I'm not always good at spotting that kind of thing. I'm not advocating that you tell your list or anything. But I like your optimism!

Nifty's the maybe. I think you're good but we're running out of chairs. Luckily, three of your opponents are drunk and a few don't seem to be concerned about being left standing when the music ends.

Show of hands. Anyone not helping the town at night?

Okay, good. We must all be town, then.

@SVS

Have it your way.

Lynching uncooperative Silver with his bullshit nonarguments and nonhunting worked out great. Lynching uncooperative Epi, Dizzy and SVS looks fine to me.

Ya'll are dead in the water anyway with four, maybe five confirmed townies.

Additional @SVS

What do you make of Dizzy? What do you make of Dizzy if you pretend to know I am town?

Typed out a response to LC but you know what? I'm gonna save it to my notes app. I'm not getting lynched today and I don't need to argue myself into getting nightkilled.

@SVS

Do you think "I think you are bad because I think you are bad" is a valid line of reasoning to lynch someone? If a player spent three days trying to lynch another player saying "I think they are bad because I think they are bad" while ignoring most everyone else in the game, would you think they are good or bad? Do you think appeals to common belief result in true conclusions?

S~V~S wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I mean, if we're supposed to role claim I will if I have to.

And Jack, if I think you are bad, why wouldn't I keep voting for you?
I don't think you think I'm bad.

I was instrumental in lynching one member of each mafia. You've refused to say why you think I'm bad.

I think you're just lying.
I do think you are bad, and I am not lying.
/unconvinced

To what end do you continue your ill defined solo crusade against me if you are town?

I can't think of a reason.

BECAUSE I THINK YOU ARE BAD

And almost everyone else has said they think you are too at one point or another. So why are you still here?

Cause I'm too suspicious to kill, too fucking good to lynch.

S~V~S wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I mean, if we're supposed to role claim I will if I have to.

And Jack, if I think you are bad, why wouldn't I keep voting for you?
I don't think you think I'm bad.

I was instrumental in lynching one member of each mafia. You've refused to say why you think I'm bad.

I think you're just lying.
I do think you are bad, and I am not lying.

/unconvinced

To what end do you continue your ill defined solo crusade against me if you are town?

I can't think of a reason.

S~V~S wrote:I mean, if we're supposed to role claim I will if I have to.

And Jack, if I think you are bad, why wouldn't I keep voting for you?

I don't think you think I'm bad.

I was instrumental in lynching one member of each mafia. You've refused to say why you think I'm bad.

I think you're just lying.

Immortal_Raven wrote:
sprityo wrote:Immortal_Raven

what did you do last night?
I went to church for Holy Week, then to Chic-Fil-A, then home. Put my kids to bed, hung out with my wife, took a shower, read a book, went to sleep.

In game, well I did target you.

Here's one thought. I know we had some discrepancy yesterday with silencing. Has anyone but Wilgy not checked in yet?

Silver wasn't online at all and didn't vote. I was online the whole time and did.

Wigly isn't faking cause Wigly wouldn't do that. Silver might have been faking or actually silenced or just not around.

Taking that to mean Wigly is not after SVS at all.

I'm on my phone so....

LC, can you change up your list to leave Wigly blank for "You guys messed up one of my answers"

Nutella = Yes, I get Epi's list

S~V~S wrote:
nutella wrote:Cool no death!

Now I need to sort out my thoughts for this lynch Several players I'm iffy on (Nifty, Wilgy, Jack, SVS) but nothing really confident.
I could agree with you on Jack. I think almost everyone has said they suspect him, yet he's still here. Sort your feeling on me fast, I am civ.

Show of hands~ does ANYONE think Jack is a civ?

Also Wilgy why you vote for me?

And i have no clue what Epis list means, and I echo LCs question there, how does being enigmatic help the civs?

I am voting for Jack.

*Voting Jack*

That the way you want this to go down? A fourth straight phase of you coming at me with no gas in your tank? Just burn up all that goodwill you earned yesterday?

I just converted a top scumread into a for sure townie and Epi and Dizzy need some friends up there on the chopping block.

Here's my case on SVS the doggie:

Has done literally no hunting since the end of day 1.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/too ... mon_Belief
^This is not hunting.

Between GFish, Epi and me on Day 2 chose to vote for me.

Blendy as can be. Without going back, I don't know who any of SVS's town or scum reads are except me. Same cannot be said for LC, Epi, Fred, Wigly, TSP.

Case for SVS the townie or at least not the Reaper.:

Could have gotten me lynched yesterday, maybe. Alerted the town to my condition, resulting in a Reaper lynch. There's no reason for her to silence me (I assume my case on Silver means the Reapers silenced me but it's possible the doggies wanted to make Silver look more bad) and then lynch her teammate that the silencing was meant to protect.

It's not good. Tempted to make her my number 2 after Epi cause Dizzy looks so LMS-y.

People need to stop acting so bad. Gonna make me look like I'm covering cause I can't lynch all my suspects in one day.

Reminds me of when ABF got silenced except he was allowed to vote. Mod allowed him to vote for any HCRealms user. Think he eventually got modkilled for using a non user account. "Jacinb" will always mean no to me, not that it helps.

http://www.dicerealms.com/forum/showthr ... 92&page=51

Each question just needs to have its own player pair that doesn't overlap another unanswered question. No big deal.

We keep track of Wigly's answers in one post.

@Wigly

If a list of your answers is ever incorrect, vote for yourself. We'll go back and fix it.

@LC

What good does knowing if Wigly understands Epi's list? What's your best case scenario for this line of thinking?

Your funeral.

vote Epi

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