The Syndicate

Speedchuck
Nanook
Tony
DDL
Hyena
LC

Sloonei
Juliets
Wilgy

MP
Nutella

That's a fucking mindset slip if I ever saw one.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:29 am The two things bothering nutella the most:

The fact we killed a mafioso.

And the fact we have a confirmed civ.

Hey yeah let's lynch Nutella.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:39 am I like these posts by DDL. He was onto MR pretty early. I don't read them as distancing because I don't see a reason to distance at that time.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:55 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:46 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:59 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:32 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:18 pm Did Nanook vote for me?

Yes, Nanook voted for you, and he still is!

Extra ugly, due to non-call in the thread.

I want to townread LC for not noticing a vote on him.

Either that or he's wolf/wolf with Nook.

"I want to townread LC".

Then do it. Townread him. Or not.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:49 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:07 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:02 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:59 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:56 pm

read: compare this to my other scum game which is nothing like this one

You are being very uncharitable sir. I'll have you know my town games are nothing like this one either.

But i wanted to know what nanook thought of that

Tony and Nanook might be mafia partners. +112, that might be the scum team right there.

Dang you got us. Where’s the resign button

I wasn't very serious about the LC/Nook thing, but actually this post pings me. I feel the 'haha guess you got me' thing is such a scum thing to say here.

"I wasn't serious"

"this post actually pings me"

Then uses a superlative in the next post, to make it sound like he's sure LC is bad.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:55 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:58 pm I wonder which over-discusser of 'spew' is the wolf?

Love this thought. Another townie point for LC.



Caveat: I've read LC wrong every game I've played with him.

Caveat: I'm full of shit.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

It's okay to be unsure about someone's alignment, but go ahead and say you are unsure. This feel like playing both sides at once.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:58 pm Now it's time for you people to explain why everyone and their dog is townreading Radishes because I don't see it.

Alternatively, let's lynch him.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:08 pm Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.

Yeah, these do look pretty good for DDL.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:30 am I mean I get what you’re saying but I think normal logic may not entirely apply given that radishes wasn’t even around to self prez and we had/have two non entities. Seems entirely possible that in a 3 scum world a more active partner would feel compelled to vote radishes, especially if one of the non entities is mafia, yeah?

Like I’m not pushing that world but I think it’s entirely plausible.

Fair point.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:18 am Currently like


Speedchuck
Nanook
Tony
Hyena
LC

Sloonei
DDL
Wilgy

Juliets
MP
Nutella

Juliets or Nutella flipping scum will probably send the other way up my readlist.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:23 am Yeah, but that second tier from the bottom is really just laying lower than the main group.

Well yes but actually no. I have a specific reason to townread everyone in the top group and scumread everyone in the bottom group. I don't feel much about anything of the people in the middle group, or Juliets less wagonomics.

I think Sloonei is less likely to replace out as a wolf after his teammate was daykilled, especially if one of his partners is in Wilgy, Juliets, MP or Nutella.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:34 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:18 am Currently like


Speedchuck
Nanook
Tony
Hyena
LC

Sloonei
DDL
Wilgy

Juliets
MP
Nutella

Juliets or Nutella flipping scum will probably send the other way up my readlist.

can you give me two sentences on LC?

LC feels engaged in a good way following Radish's death. Feels like a townie who became invested following a score for his team, not a wolf who feels like he suddenly needs to get invested after a score against his team, but I could be wrong.

Currently like


Speedchuck
Nanook
Tony
Hyena
LC

Sloonei
DDL
Wilgy

Juliets
MP
Nutella

Juliets or Nutella flipping scum will probably send the other way up my readlist.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:12 am I will say at least one of Juliets or MP should be a wolf based on wagonomics.

Ie five townie didn’t vote Sig while 3 votes were on a wolf.

I will say at least one of Juliets or MP should be a wolf based on wagonomics.

Iso. Jesus. I’m a typo machine this game.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:04 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:03 am I’ve got a death grip [on] this Juliets nullread.

You should definitely work on that.

Her tone is so damn consistent.

Imma imo Radishes tomorrow.

*on this

I’ve got a death grip and this Juliets nullread.

Like unflipped associative reads aside, Juliets is null. I read those posts and they don’t even move my Juliets needle. They give you a confident scumread on her. That smells to me.

I think Hyena believes his MP read even if it’s wrong.

I’m inclined to think Nutella doesn’t believe her Juliets read.

In the event I find myself shaken by flips not going how I plan on them going, I lose confidence. So if I was in Nutella’s shoes and I did find those posts suspicious, I’d be like “Sooooo maybe Juliets is scum. Idk. It’s the best I’ve got” not “I am confident in my scumread of Juliets so I’m keeping all the townreads I have even though I just lost my shit over an incorrect townread.”

It doesn’t feel like an actual town mindset.

Supposing Nutella is scum with MP. MP comes charging in. Nutella gives out an easy townread and then pushes on one of the null quartet off flimsy shit. That may not be what we’re seeing but that scenario feels consistent with Nutella’s actions and mindset in a way her being town doesn’t.

Or she’s scum and MP isn’t and figures she isn’t getting the lynch, accepts her pocket and shifts elsewhere. Also not necessarily the case but consistent.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:39 am Why do you think my juliets push is opportunistic? Nobody else even talked about her before I did. It's an original case.

Because it’s weak and you’re pretending it’s strong.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:28 am Also, having known nutella for ~10 years now, I will give you all a little secret about the way I read her.

If she's at some point in the game annoyed the ever loving fuck out of me, she's probably town.

“Locktown” baby!

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:28 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:25 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:57 pm Now that I'm more confident in juliets being scum, I feel better about townreading everyone else so much lol. Assuming there are 3 mafia, the third could just be one of the two nothing-slots and I can still be right with all my townreads, or if not then at worst I'm just wrong about one of them.


And YOU can be town, and YOU can be town, and--

The justification for being “confident in Juliets being scum” is so weak.

Radishes didn’t talk about her a bunch. Juliets asked a question and then didn’t follow up.

I don’t believe this stuff.

Do you have anything better?

It's strong enough for me, when I townread everyone else And I do actually think it's quite strong. That's a teammate interaction pairing if I've ever seen one.

I do.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:26 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:25 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:57 pm Now that I'm more confident in juliets being scum, I feel better about townreading everyone else so much lol. Assuming there are 3 mafia, the third could just be one of the two nothing-slots and I can still be right with all my townreads, or if not then at worst I'm just wrong about one of them.


And YOU can be town, and YOU can be town, and--

The justification for being “confident in Juliets being scum” is so weak.

Radishes didn’t talk about her a bunch. Juliets asked a question and then didn’t follow up.

I don’t believe this stuff.

I really don't understand why you're not believing it. You just saw nutella in the baseball game with me. Talk to me about this some more.

I read part of the baseball game, didn’t see opportunism, called her town, died, was spoiled, was impressed, immediately began to see opportunism.

She’s actually not that deep in her scum meta here. I think Juliets is the only opportunistic push I’ve seen. Seen a lotta other shit that looks fake, though.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:06 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:03 am

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:46 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:46 pm I still suspect Juliets even if she was the only one to explain her Sig vote.

Lol ok

Diction here is weird for juliets as well. I would have guessed this was Wilgy.

Discord's done a number on her.

Lol for real

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:57 pm Now that I'm more confident in juliets being scum, I feel better about townreading everyone else so much lol. Assuming there are 3 mafia, the third could just be one of the two nothing-slots and I can still be right with all my townreads, or if not then at worst I'm just wrong about one of them.


And YOU can be town, and YOU can be town, and--

The justification for being “confident in Juliets being scum” is so weak.

Radishes didn’t talk about her a bunch. Juliets asked a question and then didn’t follow up.

I don’t believe this stuff.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:41 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:56 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:38 pm If MR was scum I don't believe anything anymore. I have no beliefs. I am an apostate of the school of mafia. I give up.

I don't believe this reaction.

That could not be more diametrically opposed to my view, so it'd be cool if you could talk to me more about this. I think it looks completely stream of consciousness, especially given the string of multiple posts prior to it.

Consider: It is D2. Both you and Nutella could flip town and Speed could flip wolf right now and I wouldn’t be that dramatic about it.

I didn’t even know that was such a strong townread of hers or why.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:29 pm Look MP can read me better than you can now.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:43 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm [VOTE: JackofHearts2005] aubergine

I’m mechanically cleared.

“Nice try.”

If that's true, surely I will get there, or you can explain it to me if you'd like.

I am a reporter. Radishes stole my power, changed my report and then was day killed and flipped wolf.

Unless you think the wolves decided to waste two actions to say Tony is suspicious in the host post, I’m town.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm [VOTE: JackofHearts2005] aubergine

I’m mechanically cleared.

“Nice try.”

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:27 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:41 pm I am honestly speechless. My MR townread was one of the strongest convictions I had. I honestly have no idea what to think of this game now. I'm at square one.

Alright, so you're lock town for the foreseeable future, so that's pretty cool.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:16 pm Also I'm already back to thinking you're town again.

God damn it I can't just townread everyone now. I just feel so lost. I think I need to step away and come back to the game with fresh eyes. I thought I had it nearly solved and then my reads were all turned on their heads.

These are the most bullshit undeserving townreads I’ve ever seen.

I loathe all the MP/Nutella interactions from tonight.

Smells like wolf theater kids.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:17 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:16 pm Also I'm already back to thinking you're town again.

God damn it I can't just townread everyone now. I just feel so lost. I think I need to step away and come back to the game with fresh eyes. I thought I had it nearly solved and then my reads were all turned on their heads.

I'd be happy to talk stuff out with you, I'm just going to have to ask for some patience from you and everyone else. My brain is literally *this close* to exploding due to other reasons.

Heaven’s Feel 3 stateside release being delayed. I’m really upset about it too, buddy.

I don’t care anymore. There’s more to read you off now.

I think it’s time Nutella considered it may just be Nutella.

Guess what?

Time is an illusion.

If we have another day, I should be allowed to take back my “secret” vote for MP7 if he does something to change my mind.

Not my fault I know what day of the week it is.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:47 pm Some quotes below of MR on LC. Either hardcore buddying or teammate defending.

Spoiler: show

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:46 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:59 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:32 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:18 pm Did Nanook vote for me?

Yes, Nanook voted for you, and he still is!

Extra ugly, due to non-call in the thread.

I want to townread LC for not noticing a vote on him.

Either that or he's wolf/wolf with Nook.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:55 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:58 pm I wonder which over-discusser of 'spew' is the wolf?

Love this thought. Another townie point for LC.



Caveat: I've read LC wrong every game I've played with him.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:58 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:21 am Nanook, Tony, nutella, based on your own role card, what alignment do you think Alex Jones would have?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:32 am I would suspect Notgood

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:34 am I would probably guess probably 3p for Alex Jones tbh

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:54 am town

Again liking LC's line of thinking though.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:01 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:55 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:46 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:59 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:32 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:18 pm Did Nanook vote for me?

Yes, Nanook voted for you, and he still is!

Extra ugly, due to non-call in the thread.

I want to townread LC for not noticing a vote on him.

Either that or he's wolf/wolf with Nook.

"I want to townread LC".

Then do it. Townread him. Or not.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:49 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:07 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:02 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:59 pm

You are being very uncharitable sir. I'll have you know my town games are nothing like this one either.

But i wanted to know what nanook thought of that

Tony and Nanook might be mafia partners. +112, that might be the scum team right there.

Dang you got us. Where’s the resign button

I wasn't very serious about the LC/Nook thing, but actually this post pings me. I feel the 'haha guess you got me' thing is such a scum thing to say here.

"I wasn't serious"

"this post actually pings me"

Then uses a superlative in the next post, to make it sound like he's sure LC is bad.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:55 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:58 pm I wonder which over-discusser of 'spew' is the wolf?

Love this thought. Another townie point for LC.



Caveat: I've read LC wrong every game I've played with him.

Caveat: I'm full of shit.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

It's okay to be unsure about someone's alignment, but go ahead and say you are unsure. This feel like playing both sides at once.

I'm TRing LC. He's my strongest TR in fact. I thought I had made that clear.


This feels like you picked someone who had a bit of shade previously (me) and nitpicked the language used to form a case.

I don't like it.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:21 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:08 pm Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.

Ah yes, the brusque lemme-tell-you-how-to-play-properly tone. A favourite of mine too.

Let me make this as clear as I can for you - I think LC is town, but I am not locking it in because, fun fact, my D1 reads have been wrong before.

^That one is particularly smelly imo.

Looks like buddying to me.

#preflipassociations

Lol I thought the day ended in 4 min not an hour and 4 min.

If we double lynch MP7 and he’s a wolf, a random wolf dies with him, right?

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:55 pm Toward the end of MR's posts:

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:19 pm Sure let's lynch Nanook.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:27 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:12 pm I should figure out how much I really think hyena and nanook are opposed, especially because I started off thinking they were specifically compatible. Idk the amount of "sure let's lynch nanook" in the thread rn is giving me some jeebies.

Considering he was nearly lynched and now there's still low-level chatter about him, yeah, I could see a townie that scum think is low-hanging fruit (in this scenario, not Nook himself as a player).

But sometimes scum are those players that sit in everyones outer PoE but are never actually lynched. At the moment Nook fits that mould better than anyone, I'd say.

I guess this could be distancing but it doesn't feel like it to me. I don't think they are teammates.

This is a good point. Could still be good distancing. Shit, it was a good claim.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:37 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:29 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:26 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:53 pm Let's just lynch Nanook and Nutella and call it a day.

Hear hear!

I’m honestly kinda back to this but MP7 has votes for some reason.

It's disingenuous to say "for some reason" when Hyena put the legwork into a convincing retrospective of MP.

Not when I haven’t gotten to those posts yet, fam.

Is "fam" condescending by intent?

Nah.

[mention]juliets[/mention] [mention]Long Con[/mention] [mention]Hyena[/mention] [mention]speedchuck[/mention]

Can we agree to secret vote MP7?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:41 pm It doesn't fit together that neatly guys. Don't forget nanook's position here, and that MP comes from a time when the syndicate had a tie fetish even more than it does now.

I want to hear MP/Nanook combos. If MP is scum, is nanook? If nanook is scum, is MP? Can they be scum together? What would the thought process be?

MP scum, nanook town - why would MP chance voting for sig when nanook was probably the easier lynch at the time?
MP town, nanook scum - I mean yeah, nanook's going to self-preserve, so why did we ever thing the tie would work. Why would a 3-way tie ever work?
Both scum - would they really chance the reveal of having both of them pile onto sig?

Which world looks most likely to you?

And sorry Hyena, I'm going to ignore things about MP being excited/panicked at EOD1. That could just as easily be town with a big decision to make and a lot of excitement/investment into the game.

Let's fully analyse this and not 'Gotcha' MP just yet. We have time.

I think there’s high comparability.

Nutella is way compatable with Radishes and looks fake too.

If I’m leaving one of the three alive, it would be Nanook.

Okay, I dig the MP7 analysis from Hyena.

Is he the most consensus scumread? We can all secret vote him kinda late to coordinate anything else unless that already happened and I haven’t gotten there yet.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:26 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:53 pm Let's just lynch Nanook and Nutella and call it a day.

Hear hear!

I’m honestly kinda back to this but MP7 has votes for some reason.

It's disingenuous to say "for some reason" when Hyena put the legwork into a convincing retrospective of MP.

Not when I haven’t gotten to those posts yet, fam.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:15 pm Tfw Hyena was town all along and I was right about MP from the very beginning and never should have doubted myself.

This feels fake too.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:56 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:38 pm If MR was scum I don't believe anything anymore. I have no beliefs. I am an apostate of the school of mafia. I give up.

I don't believe this reaction.

See? See?

We’re back in phase.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:53 pm Let's just lynch Nanook and Nutella and call it a day.

Hear hear!

I’m honestly kinda back to this but MP7 has votes for some reason.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:38 pm If MR was scum I don't believe anything anymore. I have no beliefs. I am an apostate of the school of mafia. I give up.

This feels fake.

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:30 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:29 pm I think Jack is confirmed town now?

Unless, like, mafia was doing some major FPSing and decided to use Radish's ability on their own partner?

And then we daykilled him so I could go deep.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:24 pm

Master Radishes has been assassinated. He was People Who Feel Compelled to be on Tik Tok.

Like those who copy different dance moves, you may steal any person’s role during the Day, but you must use it that Night. You may not elect to refrain from using it. You need the attention. You will die without the attention.

You are mafia.

Carry on.

Ay lmao

Yeah, do that last thingie.