The Syndicate

Alison wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 12:34 am Falcon and rondo have no reason to be trusted

Prince J has the "porscha would have pinged him to play in wolf chat" but maybe he was genuinely busy IRL and couldnt regardless

Just kill in one of these ig

I can call this bad if I squint but Wilgy (and Camilla) is (are) firmly in Alison's POE atp and she's said nothing good about them.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 12:32 am I'm tired and sick and distracted for IRL reasons so I won't post by post react but my general sentiment upon reading is that people are putting on tinfoil hats way too quickly after a d1 pelt

Porscha was caught early and went down without a fight. She complained about afks. The mafia team is prolly not in control and likely have at least one if not two passive players in it.

Everyone has different views on who to trust but thats fine. Just look at the people with no compelling reasons to trust them and play a straight poe game. Wagoning people like tutuu is trolling hard

This is a semirandom post from Alison's D2 but I think her D2 looks good. She has a POE and it has townies in it but she also has a towncore and has only townies in it and is charitable to slots I think are town. Generally thinking about the state of the game.

Yeah, overall, Alison's D1 has some problems but it's also not like I need to squint to see this as townie Alison, either. Like...she ends up at the right place early enough and stays there so if I wanna read her pushes on townies or defense of Portia uncharitably....like it's not that much pushing on townies or defending Portia.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:41 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:33 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:26 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:23 pm I think Porscha is out of her wolf range + she's playing completely different from the one time I saw her wolf

could you please do me a favor alison-sama and skim thru her iso here search.php?keywords=&t=2508&author=Pors ... sf=msgonly

she was wolf and she snowed everyone including mac

in cartomancy she was a wolf, in post game it was said that she broke out of her wolf range

this game i linked again she was supposedly out of wolf range and she broke out of it, as said post game

porscha is a really good wolf!

I'll read this after breakfast. Mac has told me that Porscha has a very strong volume tell which he used to read her correctly in a few games and iirc she lowposted in Carto so I don't think she broke that tell at least. It's what I meant by that remark about her wolf range.

ooooh i see nod nod

here are the post counts from this linked game



relatively high post count! mac said that he was playing with her at 3 games at the same time. she slanked in 1, and hyperposted in the other two. in the one she slanked she was town, in one of the hyperposted she was town, in the other - this one - wolf!

Comes right after being told Porscha doesn't actually have a volume tell. Alison votes soon after, looks to be the 2nd vote but could be the third.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:44 pm I have not reviewed the linked game in detail but if it is true that Porscha is no longer volume polarized then it she is actually kind of scummy... the noise to signal ratio is really bad

Here's Alison's turn on Porscha. She votes shortly after. Need context. Miss MU vote tally functions.

I really fucking hate this. I should have done this so much earlier.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:33 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:26 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:23 pm I think Porscha is out of her wolf range + she's playing completely different from the one time I saw her wolf

could you please do me a favor alison-sama and skim thru her iso here search.php?keywords=&t=2508&author=Pors ... sf=msgonly

she was wolf and she snowed everyone including mac

in cartomancy she was a wolf, in post game it was said that she broke out of her wolf range

this game i linked again she was supposedly out of wolf range and she broke out of it, as said post game

porscha is a really good wolf!

I'll read this after breakfast. Mac has told me that Porscha has a very strong volume tell which he used to read her correctly in a few games and iirc she lowposted in Carto so I don't think she broke that tell at least. It's what I meant by that remark about her wolf range.

My first remark after looking at Porscha's iso was "Holy shit that's a lot of posts for a D1 yeet Porscha."

The idea that a teammate told her that she's got a volume tell and then pushed her to post a lot so that they could townread her is not too hard to imagine and Alison could easily be that teammate.

Especially 40 min from EOD

Alison fence sitting on Camilla and me today and treating us as almost offensively equally likely to be wolves is also what I'd expect Alison to be doing atm. LIke she doesn't particularly appear to be trying to solve the Jack/Camilla dome. She tells us to stop fighting, then when we do, she doesn't do anything and eventually is just like "thread died where is Roxy."

Again, not a smoking gun but it's concerning.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:23 pm I think Porscha is out of her wolf range + she's playing completely different from the one time I saw her wolf

The lead up to this post is shade on a bunch of different townies that (as of this post) doesn't really go anywhere. This declaration is also kinda out of nowhere.

Not the best start tbh.

I don't know Cam well enough to say if that's valid or not.

Because I honestly kinda expect foul mood wolf Camilla to just give up, here. Like, you've got only a slim chance of getting me yeeted and if you do that, you have an even slimmer chance of getting another misyeet. Maybe yeet Jack, shoot Pxxy and hope that Alison and Roxy eat each other. But those chances are really really really slim and you're not having fun. I'd just forfeit from that pov.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:54 am It's my granddaughter day but we must sort Alison/Camilla.

Yep I posted all about Camilla last day and to day I'll be reading Alison.

Both firmly in the poe.

Alison is a bus driver - self admitted. Wishy washy reads that contradict often.
Camilla is event I posted yesterday.

After I have time a properly read Alison

I'll be back

@pyxxy @Jackofhearts2005 will you also really dive into Alison?

@cami

Gonna. Meant to and honestly, I'm getting a bit antsy about Camilla.

Idk if wolf Camilla does anything different. Gets strongarmed into voting Wilgy. Fails to open the POE. Gets strongly suspected by a few townies and at least in the POE of all others. Maybe "push a worldview where Jack is the last wolf and I don't care about getting yeeted and then figure out who to misyeet tomorrow" is the best strategy for w!Camilla. Sometimes wolves are in a box and have to push for the best they have that won't get them turboed and being in that situation doesn't make them town.

But still. Camilla doesn't have a clear path towards a wolf win that she's pursuing here. And a town Camilla flip today would be all sorts of bad for the town. I don't have a better idea. I basically have Alison, Pyxxy and Roxy all cleared and I've been on record of being so sure of my solve that I'd be okay going first. If Camilla flips town, we lose. I still think it's just her but gah, I have to consider the possibility it's not or I'm not playing to my wincon. And as much as Alison has felt townie and as much as I think pushing Wilgy yesterday isn't what wolf Alison does yesterday, it's still the one angle I haven't given a fair look towards.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:03 am Let's be real, if you think I'm a wolf and I go over today then there's no harm in claiming since from a V!You PoV then the game just ends.

Sure but I don’t follow strategic suggestions from players I think are wolves, either.

I’m VT or doctor.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:58 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:48 pm I wanna do a trustfall and distrustfall

.......don't forget.......yourself.......

My rolecard says I’m town. However, Syn has made mistakes before.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:30 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:27 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:26 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:17 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:13 pm In checking if Neon townread Camilla or not….why did the wolves kill Neon? She wasn’t after any of them. Too obviously the cop with a green check on Tutuu if you were looking for that kinda thing I guess?

tutuu said neon was obvious cop even to her (who wasn't hunting for PR) so probs that's why

I wasn't really paying attention to PR stuff and kinda played the game mountainous so i just accepted it if thats what she saw

Okay so to be super clear, the wolf kills were:

Seanzie, who buried Portia and never mentioned Camilla at all.
Neon, who was the obvious cop
Tutuu, who was obviously greenchecked
Scotty, who did not townread Camilla

And Camilla says

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:53 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:44 pm I have to wonder what wolf camillas plan is though by forcing the tdome this hard

She loses the tdome with jack, game over.

She wins, jack flips town, she kills me, enters f3 with roxy and pyx. How does she win that? Ever?

Because I'm not a wolf.

I was the second voter on the wolf roleblocker and I'd have no reason to do so especially since the doctor was still alive.

All the NKs so far were townreading me the hardest.

The person who's been tunneling me for most of the game is still alive despite being fairly consensus town.

Please someone tell me it isn’t just me seeing dishonest post after dishonest post from Camilla.

By all I meant Neon/Tutuu.

I wasn't playing while Seanzie was still alive.

Scotty did have paranoia but unlike Roxy he was not tunneling me.

You can understand how “all the nightkills were townreading me the most” seems like a super dishonest spin on the truth of the matter, that the only nks who townread you at all would have been the nks anyways for mechanical reasons, right?

They still did read me and their reads were more accurate than the surviving villas rn, so

It’s still a lie…

Pretend I know that 2 is not less than half of 4 that’s the joke

If you’re like…bad at rounding

And that accounts for less than half.

Not even my shitty coworker pretends that the half of something he did was all of something that got done.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:27 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:26 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:17 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:13 pm In checking if Neon townread Camilla or not….why did the wolves kill Neon? She wasn’t after any of them. Too obviously the cop with a green check on Tutuu if you were looking for that kinda thing I guess?

tutuu said neon was obvious cop even to her (who wasn't hunting for PR) so probs that's why

I wasn't really paying attention to PR stuff and kinda played the game mountainous so i just accepted it if thats what she saw

Okay so to be super clear, the wolf kills were:

Seanzie, who buried Portia and never mentioned Camilla at all.
Neon, who was the obvious cop
Tutuu, who was obviously greenchecked
Scotty, who did not townread Camilla

And Camilla says

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:53 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:44 pm I have to wonder what wolf camillas plan is though by forcing the tdome this hard

She loses the tdome with jack, game over.

She wins, jack flips town, she kills me, enters f3 with roxy and pyx. How does she win that? Ever?

Because I'm not a wolf.

I was the second voter on the wolf roleblocker and I'd have no reason to do so especially since the doctor was still alive.

All the NKs so far were townreading me the hardest.

The person who's been tunneling me for most of the game is still alive despite being fairly consensus town.

Please someone tell me it isn’t just me seeing dishonest post after dishonest post from Camilla.

By all I meant Neon/Tutuu.

I wasn't playing while Seanzie was still alive.

Scotty did have paranoia but unlike Roxy he was not tunneling me.

You can understand how “all the nightkills were townreading me the most” seems like a super dishonest spin on the truth of the matter, that the only nks who townread you at all would have been the nks anyways for mechanical reasons, right?

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:17 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:13 pm In checking if Neon townread Camilla or not….why did the wolves kill Neon? She wasn’t after any of them. Too obviously the cop with a green check on Tutuu if you were looking for that kinda thing I guess?

tutuu said neon was obvious cop even to her (who wasn't hunting for PR) so probs that's why

I wasn't really paying attention to PR stuff and kinda played the game mountainous so i just accepted it if thats what she saw

Okay so to be super clear, the wolf kills were:

Seanzie, who buried Portia and never mentioned Camilla at all.
Neon, who was the obvious cop
Tutuu, who was obviously greenchecked
Scotty, who did not townread Camilla

And Camilla says

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:53 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:44 pm I have to wonder what wolf camillas plan is though by forcing the tdome this hard

She loses the tdome with jack, game over.

She wins, jack flips town, she kills me, enters f3 with roxy and pyx. How does she win that? Ever?

Because I'm not a wolf.

I was the second voter on the wolf roleblocker and I'd have no reason to do so especially since the doctor was still alive.

All the NKs so far were townreading me the hardest.

The person who's been tunneling me for most of the game is still alive despite being fairly consensus town.

Please someone tell me it isn’t just me seeing dishonest post after dishonest post from Camilla.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:20 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:09 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:58 pm Scotty didn’t townread you.

Scotty was undecided while Roxy was tunneling me.

If I'm mafia then why is Roxy still alive?

But you just argued that all the nks were townreading you. More dishonesty.



You thought Scotty was more likely the doc or would be harder to fool or you would rather argue “If I was a wolf, I’d have killed Roxy” and also deal with Roxy than deal with Scotty without getting to make that point. Or you thought Roxy was more misyeetable than Scotty.

Like…it’s not hard to imagine. You even said yourself it was about PR hunting at sod. Now it’s supposed to be about PR hunting…unless Roxy scumreads you? Nah nah.

I've been pretty clear that I've been reading Roxy as most likely doc.

If I were a wolf that I'd just kill her.

Unlike you I'm not this bad at PR hunting.

Sorry

do you have evidence that you read roxy as the doc before today?

I swear to god if she pulls a post of Roxy saying “I am not the doc”…

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:09 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:58 pm Scotty didn’t townread you.

Scotty was undecided while Roxy was tunneling me.

If I'm mafia then why is Roxy still alive?

But you just argued that all the nks were townreading you. More dishonesty.



You thought Scotty was more likely the doc or would be harder to fool or you would rather argue “If I was a wolf, I’d have killed Roxy” and also deal with Roxy than deal with Scotty without getting to make that point. Or you thought Roxy was more misyeetable than Scotty.

Like…it’s not hard to imagine. You even said yourself it was about PR hunting at sod. Now it’s supposed to be about PR hunting…unless Roxy scumreads you? Nah nah.

I've been pretty clear that I've been reading Roxy as most likely doc.

If I were a wolf that I'd just kill her.

Unlike you I'm not this bad at PR hunting.

Sorry

I’m bad at PR hunting the way I’m bad at noodling and DOTA. Putting on makeup. Handstands. Lion taming. You’d be amazed at how little you succeed at doing things when you don’t put your mind to it because it’s not part of your fucking wincon.

Also….why would you want to “clearly” have a read on the doc when you’re town?

In checking if Neon townread Camilla or not….why did the wolves kill Neon? She wasn’t after any of them. Too obviously the cop with a green check on Tutuu if you were looking for that kinda thing I guess?

I don’t want anyone to claim doc unless it’s Camilla and Camilla has already claimed not doc.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:58 pm Scotty didn’t townread you.

Scotty was undecided while Roxy was tunneling me.

If I'm mafia then why is Roxy still alive?

But you just argued that all the nks were townreading you. More dishonesty.



You thought Scotty was more likely the doc or would be harder to fool or you would rather argue “If I was a wolf, I’d have killed Roxy” and also deal with Roxy than deal with Scotty without getting to make that point. Or you thought Roxy was more misyeetable than Scotty.

Like…it’s not hard to imagine. You even said yourself it was about PR hunting at sod. Now it’s supposed to be about PR hunting…unless Roxy scumreads you? Nah nah.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:00 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:57 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:51 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:42 pm .......god..............I'm phrasing.......poorly.......

.......my Question.......for the thread..............

.......why does.......scum Camilla.......PR hunt now?.......

.......my answer.......is.......frustration..............about being wrong.......on scotty..............but..............I'm curious.......

I'm PR hunting because if Roxy is the Doc then the game's on auto.

Doesn't matter who is elim'd today and provided that Roxy doesn't vote you if I get elim'd today then we just win.

But like….what difference does that make to town you? Wolf you needs that information to win but if town you had already won, why do you want to find the PR? And if town you hasn’t won, shouldn’t you be extra focused on finding wolves?

Because my main concern is getting voted out today and then having you/Roxy domed tomorrow and having Roxy killed.

If Roxy's the doc and claims today then it basically guaranteeds town to win.

If your town and Roxy is the dic and I’m the wolf then town wins. It doesn’t matter if you know Roxy is the dic or not. Town still wins. So why are you trying to figure out if Roxy is the doc?

Like I’m not crazy, right? It does town Camilla no good at all to figure this out.

If you’re town, Camilla, and we misyeet you and then me ftl, I want you to know from the bottom of my heart it is because you’re playing dishonestly right now and it’s super hard to reevaluate a wolfread that won’t stop being dishonest.

Tutuu had to be killed cause confirmed town.

Scotty didn’t townread you.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:53 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:44 pm I have to wonder what wolf camillas plan is though by forcing the tdome this hard

She loses the tdome with jack, game over.

She wins, jack flips town, she kills me, enters f3 with roxy and pyx. How does she win that? Ever?

Because I'm not a wolf.

I was the second voter on the wolf roleblocker and I'd have no reason to do so especially since the doctor was still alive.

All the NKs so far were townreading me the hardest.

The person who's been tunneling me for most of the game is still alive despite being fairly consensus town.

You’re seriously trying to take town credit for voting second….because Alison told you to?

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:51 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:42 pm .......god..............I'm phrasing.......poorly.......

.......my Question.......for the thread..............

.......why does.......scum Camilla.......PR hunt now?.......

.......my answer.......is.......frustration..............about being wrong.......on scotty..............but..............I'm curious.......

I'm PR hunting because if Roxy is the Doc then the game's on auto.

Doesn't matter who is elim'd today and provided that Roxy doesn't vote you if I get elim'd today then we just win.

But like….what difference does that make to town you? Wolf you needs that information to win but if town you had already won, why do you want to find the PR? And if town you hasn’t won, shouldn’t you be extra focused on finding wolves?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:46 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:44 pm I have to wonder what wolf camillas plan is though by forcing the tdome this hard

She loses the tdome with jack, game over.

She wins, jack flips town, she kills me, enters f3 with roxy and pyx. How does she win that? Ever?

That’s part of why I keep kinda considering town Camilla worlds but then she immediately goes and does something dishonest looking and I shrug.

That and to be entirely fair, the reason I went from Pyxxy/Wilgy/Camilla to Wilgy/Camilla is because both Wilgy and Camilla were acting scummy af atp and she’s right that I never seriously considered Camilla/Pyxxy.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:44 pm I have to wonder what wolf camillas plan is though by forcing the tdome this hard

She loses the tdome with jack, game over.

She wins, jack flips town, she kills me, enters f3 with roxy and pyx. How does she win that? Ever?

That’s part of why I keep kinda considering town Camilla worlds but then she immediately goes and does something dishonest looking and I shrug.

I mean…that but also scum Camilla needs 2 misyeets and can’t misyeet the doc.

Imagine I lay down and die and then she cases Pyxxy and then Pyxxy claims doc. Wolf needs to find the doc asap to have a chance of winning.

Schrödinger’s alignment

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:24 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:20 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:12 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:25 am

I'm not really in this world anymore (seeing Scotty as very very likely town) but from the pov of me at the time, I'm agreeing with you.

I'm saying "If Alison is right about w!Wilgy but wrong about him being antialigned with Scotty/Pyxxy, it would require Wilgy to endgame alone or assume his partner wins the dome. I don't think w!Wilgy thinks he will endgame alone so I don't think that's the case. I don't think w!Wilgy assumes his partner, w!Pyxxy, wins the Scotty/Pyxxy dome so I don't think that's the case. Maybe if it's Wilgy+Scotty."

But to your point, if it's Wilgy+Scotty (which I don't think because I think Scotty is town), it would make more sense for Wilgy to not lean into that dome.

And to your point, if it's Wilgy+Pyxxy, it makes even more sense to not lean into that dome.

If POE is Pyxxy/Wilgy/Camilla, it makes more sense to see Wilgy/Camilla as the solve based on this. It's not gonna be based just on this but this could be key.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:27 am

I also just want to believe in a Wilgy/Camilla world because Camilla seems desperate to add people to the POE that shouldn't be in it. On D2, that was Roxy. On D4, it's me. All Camilla's solving around these two slots seems illogical and/or desperate.

These are some actual important parts of my progression fwiw

What's wrong with my D2 wolfread on Roxy?

Her d1 was uninspiring and she only towned up D2. And neither you nor Roxy flipped yet meanwhile all of my TRs like Tutuu/Zenon/Seanzie/Scotty to an extent flipped town as I never had Wilgy in my nigh-towncore area unlike you.

I mean….I guess if you read Roxy’s D1 in the same way you read my D3, where you ignore the obvious townie and go for a wolfy scumread just because, sure, Roxy’s D1 could be considered uninspiring.

But from the perspective of a townie, Roxy’s D1 was outstanding and shiny.

It was a generic readlist and her reasoning on me was fairly cherry-picky and didn't bother to take my IRL into account despite me being less into the game, so I had no reason to TR her.

Maybe someone with TMI could.

I fucking isoed Roxy yesterday and said over and over how obviously townie her posts were and was pissed at all the people who suspected her D2.

You can go back and see this happen. I don’t understand why town Camilla would just assume those posts didn’t happen and that Jack must have tmi and must therefore be a wolf.

Wolf Camilla wants people to think town Jack has tmi for the misyeet. Easy enough. Your actions don’t make any sense as a townie, continually refusing to look at my posts in bad faith.

A WOLF COULD HAVE EASILY DONE THIS BECAUSE BY D3 ROXY WAS CONSIDERED TO BE CONSENSUS TOWN THUS YOU COULD JUST TMI HER AND THEN CHAINSAW ANYONE WHO DARED TO SUSPECT HER. YOUR SLOT DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO PLAY THE DAMN GAME UNTIL D3 SO OF COURSE YOU'D HAVE LESS MISSES.

Meanwhile I've been playing since d1 and I've been right on most of my reads execpt Rondo/Falco. And even then D2 I wanted you killed but had to settle for one of the villagers in Rondo/Falcon because this village made them the lead lynches D2

DON’T YELL AT ME! YOU AREN’T MY SUPERVISOR!

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:27 pm .......@Jackofhearts2005.......sorry for.......second ping..............on re-read.......do you.......recall..............what you think.......I thought.......of roxy.......D1/D2?.......

.......please respond.......without..............re-reading..............if.......you don't mind.......

Idk.

I remember Camilla and Scotty and iirc Alison and maybe Tutuu all suspecting Roxy for bad reasons D2. Nobody really pushed her D1 but Porscha? I don’t specifically remember you doing it but I could just be forgetting or thinking it was Tutuu when it was you.

Why?

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:20 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:12 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:25 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:26 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 7:16 pm

Hmm. But if I believe my townreads, the solve is Wilgy and one of Scotty/Pyxxy.

And indeed, Alison and Camilla voting Wilgy so (granted, it’s easy for Camilla to switch and winnable for her to bus Wilgy) surely not Alison/Wilgy and less likely to be Camilla/Wilgy.

So is Alison right about w!Wilgy but wrong about Wilgy being antialigned w/Scotty/Pyxxy (requires Wilgy to endgame alone, kinda unlikely, or to assume his partner wins the thunderdome…probably exactly Scotty)?

Or is Alison wrong on Wilgy? And if she’s wrong on Wilgy, what other team even makes sense? A reevaluation on Alison/Camilla necessary if Wilgy is town because I’m town, Roxy is town and Scotty and Pyxxy has max 1 wolf. Literally nowhere else for a wolf to exist. (Also, this line of thinking really leans into Wilgy+Jack world from t!Alison’s pov but it can’t be helped.)

why does wolf wilgy flip the coin on his partner winning the dome instead of going "maybe it's not pyx/scotty" to widen the poe like everyone else was?

I'm not really in this world anymore (seeing Scotty as very very likely town) but from the pov of me at the time, I'm agreeing with you.

I'm saying "If Alison is right about w!Wilgy but wrong about him being antialigned with Scotty/Pyxxy, it would require Wilgy to endgame alone or assume his partner wins the dome. I don't think w!Wilgy thinks he will endgame alone so I don't think that's the case. I don't think w!Wilgy assumes his partner, w!Pyxxy, wins the Scotty/Pyxxy dome so I don't think that's the case. Maybe if it's Wilgy+Scotty."

But to your point, if it's Wilgy+Scotty (which I don't think because I think Scotty is town), it would make more sense for Wilgy to not lean into that dome.

And to your point, if it's Wilgy+Pyxxy, it makes even more sense to not lean into that dome.

If POE is Pyxxy/Wilgy/Camilla, it makes more sense to see Wilgy/Camilla as the solve based on this. It's not gonna be based just on this but this could be key.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:27 am

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:04 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:33 am I have liked jack's recent solving. Feels thoughtful even if i dont agree with all of it, and forcibly taking roxy and scotty out of his POE would make his life hard and commit him to a very narrow worldview as mafia.

In a W!Jack world then it doesn't really mean much.

If he's W then he needs two MLs and even if his teammate is in Wilgy/Pyxxy then he just needs to mislynch the villager there then take Scotty/Roxy to the F3 with me for the win.

He doesn't even need to re-open the PoE for a win.

I also just want to believe in a Wilgy/Camilla world because Camilla seems desperate to add people to the POE that shouldn't be in it. On D2, that was Roxy. On D4, it's me. All Camilla's solving around these two slots seems illogical and/or desperate.

These are some actual important parts of my progression fwiw

What's wrong with my D2 wolfread on Roxy?

Her d1 was uninspiring and she only towned up D2. And neither you nor Roxy flipped yet meanwhile all of my TRs like Tutuu/Zenon/Seanzie/Scotty to an extent flipped town as I never had Wilgy in my nigh-towncore area unlike you.

I mean….I guess if you read Roxy’s D1 in the same way you read my D3, where you ignore the obvious townie and go for a wolfy scumread just because, sure, Roxy’s D1 could be considered uninspiring.

But from the perspective of a townie, Roxy’s D1 was outstanding and shiny.

It was a generic readlist and her reasoning on me was fairly cherry-picky and didn't bother to take my IRL into account despite me being less into the game, so I had no reason to TR her.

Maybe someone with TMI could.

I fucking isoed Roxy yesterday and said over and over how obviously townie her posts were and was pissed at all the people who suspected her D2.

You can go back and see this happen. I don’t understand why town Camilla would just assume those posts didn’t happen and that Jack must have tmi and must therefore be a wolf.

Wolf Camilla wants people to think town Jack has tmi for the misyeet. Easy enough. Your actions don’t make any sense as a townie, continually refusing to look at my posts in bad faith.

[VOTE: Camilla] aubergine

I’ll still iso Alison but I’m struggling to see any world where this isn’t my vote.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:51 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:20 am

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:09 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:05 am

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:59 am Y'know what?

I'm pretty much settled on the Jack/Wilgy world atp.

Jack's basically spending much of his time trying to tie me to Wilgy without giving much attention to the possibility that Pyxxy is a wolf or little paranoia outside of this PoE in a fairly transparent attempt that he knows that once Wilgy flips that the main mountain separating the wolves from winning is that I'll basically go the full Amrock to elim him.

This is basically textbook endgame wolf play to seal the game.

It makes sense too- this perspective. Because Jack wasn’t exactly gunning for Wilgy, and once the tides had changed to that as the possible yeet, he’s keeping options open.

But a wrinkle- he has just reasoned out that the team is just Wilgy/you. Not a lot of wiggle room. What happens when we yeet w!Wilgy and then t!you?
(Ignoring doc atm) After Wilgy, it’ll be 4v1. Miselim on you leads to f3. How does jack win in that scenario?

Because in a Pyxxy/Jack/You or Roxy endgame it's basically extremely easy for a wolf with WiM, which is basically the archetype that Jack is, to shift the elim on Pyxxy.

The guy nearly got chopped d1 and he's kind of been in the PoE and would've died if it was for Alison shielding him. Once Alison's dead he's basically easy pickings.

This is nonsense.

If it's Wilgy/Jack, I'm laying out the argument that Pyxxy and Wilgy are never wolves together.

I bus Wilgy here. Shoot Alison. Then it's Roxy/Camilla/Scotty/Pyxxy vs Jack and I have to misyeet 2 of them. And I'm arguing that Roxy is always town, Scotty is always town and if Wilgy flips wolf (which he's about to), Pyxxy is always town. Roxy earlier today declared her intention to look at/vote for me or Camilla. Scotty earlier voted for me. Pyxxy earlier voted for me iirc.

You're proposing that my master plan is to bus Wilgy, misyeet you, then go into final 3 with two players who suspect me that I have as lock town.

Fucking hell. I'm a good wolf but I ain't that good. I'd lose that every single time.

Total nonsense. You don't think this is what's happening. You're saying things that would be convenient for w!Camilla for townies to believe, not things that t!Camilla would actually believe.

And this.

Like it’s weird that I entirely deconstruct Camilla’s worldview and she just like….hangs onto it for dear life anyway.

Doesn’t really make sense for town Camilla to suspect me and Wilgy. But wolf Camilla knows Wilgy is gonna flip wolf so the only way to get that Jack misyeet is to tie us together, no matter how illogical.

I still don't get why you were so certain Wilgy was going to flip W when he wasn't doing much this entire game.

You basically went Wilgy just outside towncore to him being lock for very little reason. Why?

You keep saying this after it was pointed out how dishonest this framing is.

You can’t make someone understand something if their wincon depends on them not understanding it and I am feeling more and more like you aren’t even pretending to ask these questions in good faith with each passing minute.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:07 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:05 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:02 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:00 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:57 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:29 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:23 pm I've been townreading pyxxy all game and Wilgy insisting that the exe be Scotty or pyxxy (along with Scotty flipping town) suggests that he is very likely just town.

That means the last scum is in Jack/Roxy/Camilla. We have two exes, so if we can clear one of these then we'll have auto.

I'll likely be focusing my play this day on this.

What are your thoughts on the idea if the doc's in this pool then they should just claim?

If we miss today and the doc is not NK'd and doesn't claim then the last wolf can just CC them.

.......aight.......so like..............even if.......you're town..............this.......is blatant.......PR hunting.......to anyone.......who's.......been..............paying attention..............to who's PR cleared.......

I have a strong PR read on Roxy.

If she's it then the game's basically auto'd as even if I'm elim'd today then Alison/you can just kill Jack tomorrow without worrying about anything else since you both have each other as TRs.

.......okay so.......I read this.......and.......what my brain.......actually processes.......is that.......you think Alison.......is the doc.......

No?

I've been reading Roxy doc for a while as her "OMG HOW DARE YOU PUSH ME, I WILL TUNNEL YOU FOR THE REST OF THE GAME" attitude feels like your average newb PR who will deathtunnel anyone who dares to wolfread them.

.......@Jackofhearts2005.......I want to watch..............you..............react to this.......

I don’t know who the doc is and I don’t care unless it’s a player taking themselves out of the poe.

PR hunting is for wolves.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:25 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:26 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 7:16 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:12 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:11 pm @Alison

If he's a wolf then who do you think is his most likely partner?

So far pretty much everyone has been TRing him or giving him a pass which basically mean that if he's W then pretty much none of the PoE is cleared.

probs not scotty/pyxxy given his eagerness to force there today

Probably just roxy or jack

Hmm. But if I believe my townreads, the solve is Wilgy and one of Scotty/Pyxxy.

And indeed, Alison and Camilla voting Wilgy so (granted, it’s easy for Camilla to switch and winnable for her to bus Wilgy) surely not Alison/Wilgy and less likely to be Camilla/Wilgy.

So is Alison right about w!Wilgy but wrong about Wilgy being antialigned w/Scotty/Pyxxy (requires Wilgy to endgame alone, kinda unlikely, or to assume his partner wins the thunderdome…probably exactly Scotty)?

Or is Alison wrong on Wilgy? And if she’s wrong on Wilgy, what other team even makes sense? A reevaluation on Alison/Camilla necessary if Wilgy is town because I’m town, Roxy is town and Scotty and Pyxxy has max 1 wolf. Literally nowhere else for a wolf to exist. (Also, this line of thinking really leans into Wilgy+Jack world from t!Alison’s pov but it can’t be helped.)

why does wolf wilgy flip the coin on his partner winning the dome instead of going "maybe it's not pyx/scotty" to widen the poe like everyone else was?

I'm not really in this world anymore (seeing Scotty as very very likely town) but from the pov of me at the time, I'm agreeing with you.

I'm saying "If Alison is right about w!Wilgy but wrong about him being antialigned with Scotty/Pyxxy, it would require Wilgy to endgame alone or assume his partner wins the dome. I don't think w!Wilgy thinks he will endgame alone so I don't think that's the case. I don't think w!Wilgy assumes his partner, w!Pyxxy, wins the Scotty/Pyxxy dome so I don't think that's the case. Maybe if it's Wilgy+Scotty."

But to your point, if it's Wilgy+Scotty (which I don't think because I think Scotty is town), it would make more sense for Wilgy to not lean into that dome.

And to your point, if it's Wilgy+Pyxxy, it makes even more sense to not lean into that dome.

If POE is Pyxxy/Wilgy/Camilla, it makes more sense to see Wilgy/Camilla as the solve based on this. It's not gonna be based just on this but this could be key.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:27 am

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:04 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:33 am I have liked jack's recent solving. Feels thoughtful even if i dont agree with all of it, and forcibly taking roxy and scotty out of his POE would make his life hard and commit him to a very narrow worldview as mafia.

In a W!Jack world then it doesn't really mean much.

If he's W then he needs two MLs and even if his teammate is in Wilgy/Pyxxy then he just needs to mislynch the villager there then take Scotty/Roxy to the F3 with me for the win.

He doesn't even need to re-open the PoE for a win.

I also just want to believe in a Wilgy/Camilla world because Camilla seems desperate to add people to the POE that shouldn't be in it. On D2, that was Roxy. On D4, it's me. All Camilla's solving around these two slots seems illogical and/or desperate.

These are some actual important parts of my progression fwiw

What's wrong with my D2 wolfread on Roxy?

Her d1 was uninspiring and she only towned up D2. And neither you nor Roxy flipped yet meanwhile all of my TRs like Tutuu/Zenon/Seanzie/Scotty to an extent flipped town as I never had Wilgy in my nigh-towncore area unlike you.

I mean….I guess if you read Roxy’s D1 in the same way you read my D3, where you ignore the obvious townie and go for a wolfy scumread just because, sure, Roxy’s D1 could be considered uninspiring.

But from the perspective of a townie, Roxy’s D1 was outstanding and shiny.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:20 am

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:09 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:05 am

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:59 am Y'know what?

I'm pretty much settled on the Jack/Wilgy world atp.

Jack's basically spending much of his time trying to tie me to Wilgy without giving much attention to the possibility that Pyxxy is a wolf or little paranoia outside of this PoE in a fairly transparent attempt that he knows that once Wilgy flips that the main mountain separating the wolves from winning is that I'll basically go the full Amrock to elim him.

This is basically textbook endgame wolf play to seal the game.

It makes sense too- this perspective. Because Jack wasn’t exactly gunning for Wilgy, and once the tides had changed to that as the possible yeet, he’s keeping options open.

But a wrinkle- he has just reasoned out that the team is just Wilgy/you. Not a lot of wiggle room. What happens when we yeet w!Wilgy and then t!you?
(Ignoring doc atm) After Wilgy, it’ll be 4v1. Miselim on you leads to f3. How does jack win in that scenario?

Because in a Pyxxy/Jack/You or Roxy endgame it's basically extremely easy for a wolf with WiM, which is basically the archetype that Jack is, to shift the elim on Pyxxy.

The guy nearly got chopped d1 and he's kind of been in the PoE and would've died if it was for Alison shielding him. Once Alison's dead he's basically easy pickings.

This is nonsense.

If it's Wilgy/Jack, I'm laying out the argument that Pyxxy and Wilgy are never wolves together.

I bus Wilgy here. Shoot Alison. Then it's Roxy/Camilla/Scotty/Pyxxy vs Jack and I have to misyeet 2 of them. And I'm arguing that Roxy is always town, Scotty is always town and if Wilgy flips wolf (which he's about to), Pyxxy is always town. Roxy earlier today declared her intention to look at/vote for me or Camilla. Scotty earlier voted for me. Pyxxy earlier voted for me iirc.

You're proposing that my master plan is to bus Wilgy, misyeet you, then go into final 3 with two players who suspect me that I have as lock town.

Fucking hell. I'm a good wolf but I ain't that good. I'd lose that every single time.

Total nonsense. You don't think this is what's happening. You're saying things that would be convenient for w!Camilla for townies to believe, not things that t!Camilla would actually believe.

And this.

Like it’s weird that I entirely deconstruct Camilla’s worldview and she just like….hangs onto it for dear life anyway.

Doesn’t really make sense for town Camilla to suspect me and Wilgy. But wolf Camilla knows Wilgy is gonna flip wolf so the only way to get that Jack misyeet is to tie us together, no matter how illogical.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:25 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:26 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 7:16 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:12 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:11 pm @Alison

If he's a wolf then who do you think is his most likely partner?

So far pretty much everyone has been TRing him or giving him a pass which basically mean that if he's W then pretty much none of the PoE is cleared.

probs not scotty/pyxxy given his eagerness to force there today

Probably just roxy or jack

Hmm. But if I believe my townreads, the solve is Wilgy and one of Scotty/Pyxxy.

And indeed, Alison and Camilla voting Wilgy so (granted, it’s easy for Camilla to switch and winnable for her to bus Wilgy) surely not Alison/Wilgy and less likely to be Camilla/Wilgy.

So is Alison right about w!Wilgy but wrong about Wilgy being antialigned w/Scotty/Pyxxy (requires Wilgy to endgame alone, kinda unlikely, or to assume his partner wins the thunderdome…probably exactly Scotty)?

Or is Alison wrong on Wilgy? And if she’s wrong on Wilgy, what other team even makes sense? A reevaluation on Alison/Camilla necessary if Wilgy is town because I’m town, Roxy is town and Scotty and Pyxxy has max 1 wolf. Literally nowhere else for a wolf to exist. (Also, this line of thinking really leans into Wilgy+Jack world from t!Alison’s pov but it can’t be helped.)

why does wolf wilgy flip the coin on his partner winning the dome instead of going "maybe it's not pyx/scotty" to widen the poe like everyone else was?

I'm not really in this world anymore (seeing Scotty as very very likely town) but from the pov of me at the time, I'm agreeing with you.

I'm saying "If Alison is right about w!Wilgy but wrong about him being antialigned with Scotty/Pyxxy, it would require Wilgy to endgame alone or assume his partner wins the dome. I don't think w!Wilgy thinks he will endgame alone so I don't think that's the case. I don't think w!Wilgy assumes his partner, w!Pyxxy, wins the Scotty/Pyxxy dome so I don't think that's the case. Maybe if it's Wilgy+Scotty."

But to your point, if it's Wilgy+Scotty (which I don't think because I think Scotty is town), it would make more sense for Wilgy to not lean into that dome.

And to your point, if it's Wilgy+Pyxxy, it makes even more sense to not lean into that dome.

If POE is Pyxxy/Wilgy/Camilla, it makes more sense to see Wilgy/Camilla as the solve based on this. It's not gonna be based just on this but this could be key.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:27 am

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:04 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:33 am I have liked jack's recent solving. Feels thoughtful even if i dont agree with all of it, and forcibly taking roxy and scotty out of his POE would make his life hard and commit him to a very narrow worldview as mafia.

In a W!Jack world then it doesn't really mean much.

If he's W then he needs two MLs and even if his teammate is in Wilgy/Pyxxy then he just needs to mislynch the villager there then take Scotty/Roxy to the F3 with me for the win.

He doesn't even need to re-open the PoE for a win.

I also just want to believe in a Wilgy/Camilla world because Camilla seems desperate to add people to the POE that shouldn't be in it. On D2, that was Roxy. On D4, it's me. All Camilla's solving around these two slots seems illogical and/or desperate.

These are some actual important parts of my progression fwiw

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:18 am

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:04 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:33 am I have liked jack's recent solving. Feels thoughtful even if i dont agree with all of it, and forcibly taking roxy and scotty out of his POE would make his life hard and commit him to a very narrow worldview as mafia.

In a W!Jack world then it doesn't really mean much.

If he's W then he needs two MLs and even if his teammate is in Wilgy/Pyxxy then he just needs to mislynch the villager there then take Scotty/Roxy to the F3 with me for the win.

He doesn't even need to re-open the PoE for a win.

if mafia takes me to the Fx, they will lose. Book it.

(Also please NK me before then so I don’t have to make difficult decisions kthnx)

The real reason Scotty died wowee

Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:49 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:45 pm If pyxxy is partners with Wilgy, I scratch my head at how Wilgy firmly was in the camp of falcon good, pyxxy bad. I mean, it could just be that falcon was going over regardless so it was just firm-sounding words.

But then he comes into today basically with ‘we need to resolve pyxxy/Scotty, and I think Scotty is good’

Like, what kind of strategy is that from your partner? It’s a bit less believable to me

Yeah, yikes, I think I’m coming around on an angle where I can easily see Wilgy having an agenda, and I’m not as sure with his partner being pyxxy.

[VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

I kind of don't think that D3's vote actually means much in the long run since on D3 it was pretty much guaranteed that falcon would've gone over.

Wilgy's posts today have been odd but he also hasn't really tried to push Pyxxy at all as I don't remember him casing or putting a vote on them.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:35 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:32 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:30 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:24 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:22 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:19 pm

Lul

Classic wolf Jack tactic. Sheep paranoia of low end poster from two days ago.

Moving to a three player poe is moving the gamestate forward. You just don’t like where I’m moving it.

What about Alison/Scotty/Roxy?

There's been very little suspicion on me and you only started turning on me the moment the latter two started to do so.

Suspicion on them, as I meant the three ones. Why me over Scotty/Alison since we've basically been roughly in the same tier until Roxy/Scotty began tinfoiling me.

It’s not about tiers. It’s about Scotty and Alison doing things I expect Scotty and Alison to do as townies and of the three of you, you’ve got the wolfiest reactions, specifically towards Roxy when contrasted with Alison and Scotty and towards me when contrasted with Alison.

I want you to go deeper here.

If Scotty/Alison were wolves then how would you really expect them to act?

If you were looking for additional “wolf Camilla tries to open the poe” posts to go with that “Jack/Scotty makes sense as a wolfteam” post.

Yes, I try to open the PoE by shooting a player that I'm tinfoiling and open to the idea that I'm not the last wolf instead of the obvtown player that's tunneling me.

I'm pretty sure that you have far better critical thinking skills then this, Jack.

You’d be surprised.

Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:30 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:24 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:22 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:19 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:09 pm Jack/Scotty fits in better as teammates with Wilgy than Pyxxy. I don't think Pyxxy/Wilgy would spend the entire game trying to hellbus each other like this, tbh.

Most likely Jack as I liked Scotty's paranoia on me while Jack's push on me kind of just feels like he's piggy-backing on Roxy's paranoia than actually doing anything to move the game-state forward.

Lul

Classic wolf Jack tactic. Sheep paranoia of low end poster from two days ago.

Moving to a three player poe is moving the gamestate forward. You just don’t like where I’m moving it.

What about Alison/Scotty/Roxy?

There's been very little suspicion on me and you only started turning on me the moment the latter two started to do so.

Suspicion on them, as I meant the three ones. Why me over Scotty/Alison since we've basically been roughly in the same tier until Roxy/Scotty began tinfoiling me.

It’s not about tiers. It’s about Scotty and Alison doing things I expect Scotty and Alison to do as townies and of the three of you, you’ve got the wolfiest reactions, specifically towards Roxy when contrasted with Alison and Scotty and towards me when contrasted with Alison.

I want you to go deeper here.

If Scotty/Alison were wolves then how would you really expect them to act?

If you were looking for additional “wolf Camilla tries to open the poe” posts to go with that “Jack/Scotty makes sense as a wolfteam” post.