The Syndicate

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:17 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:09 pm Jack/Scotty fits in better as teammates with Wilgy than Pyxxy. I don't think Pyxxy/Wilgy would spend the entire game trying to hellbus each other like this, tbh.

Most likely Jack as I liked Scotty's paranoia on me while Jack's push on me kind of just feels like he's piggy-backing on Roxy's paranoia than actually doing anything to move the game-state forward.
.......I think.......the game.......revolves.......around.......this post.......and its timing.......

Lol.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:19 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:49 pm My current solve is Wilgy and Camilla. But that’s like a fancy pants threadstate+poe read. Pyxxy is still a possibility but I kinda think that if the wolf team is dead Porscha and non impactful Wilgy, like at what point does Pyxxy drop the gd gimmick? Probably earlier. I know this is easy to fake but still.
@pyxxy

This post came after Jack started harping on Wilgy being my wolfmate despite that I voted him and kept my vote there.

Oh was I supposed to stop thinking you were teamed with Wilgy because Alison told you to vote Wilgy and you were like “sure”? You said yourself you didn’t have an opportunity to move off.

Come on, now.

You’re not supposed to play mafia dishonestly.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:11 pm Actually, no. Respectfully, the town (or at least the me part of it) gets more out of Camilla going through my yesterday and evaluating my progression on her and Wilgy than it does on me laying it out.
Lol.

Fine.

Seriously. I wanna see your progression on my progression. Be a good sport, eh? If I’m the wolf, you need to convince the others anyway, right?

Actually, no. Respectfully, the town (or at least the me part of it) gets more out of Camilla going through my yesterday and evaluating my progression on her and Wilgy than it does on me laying it out.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:49 pm “Wilgy is right outside your towncore” is a pretty dishonest way to evaluate what was always a pretty weak townread based on unstated differences between Wilgy’s play here and our play together when we were teamed….in a game where we won after I bussed him and Nutella that I don’t remember the name of. Like I was kinda kicking myself for bussing Wilgy in that game cause it felt like he took the bus in a way that felt obviously partnered with me at the time (guess I was wrong) but he didn’t have that awkwardness here. That was the entirety of my Wilgy townlean reasoning and that’s why he was still in the poe after Falcon flipped town. Like…I hope this isn’t town Camilla actually thinking I was all but Towncoring Wilgy based off this unspecified meta reason. Obviously I don’t think that’s the case but gah what a look.
I mean, your case on me basically goes on "you thought that Tutuu was the cop with a n1 on Wilgy so you're Mafia with them" which should be more clearing than the opposite.

Also the hell is with that read?

He was pretty much not playing at all so it's not like he'd display any awkwardness in posting.

Like…you’re aware I was almost certain the team was Wilgy/Camilla BEFORE you claimed to think Tutuu had softed a green on Wilgy, right? How can you think that’s the full reason I think you’re a wolf if it didn’t happen until after I strongly thought you were a wolf?

You see how I’m like Fry meme “not sure if Camilla didn’t read at all or is just lying”?

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:57 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:49 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:49 pm It's kinda interesting that I was the one to call Wilgy out and strongarm Camilla and Jack into voting him but by EOD they were both so confident on Wilgy scum that they were preflipping him red and associating him with the other.
Well I have an actual progression you can look at so
Quote the posts.

Show me the receipts.
It’s not my fault you didn’t read yesterday jc.
Quote them. You immediately went from having Wilgy as your strongest non-core townread to tying me with him. I saw basically no progression on it.

I’m honestly not sure if I’m being kind to you with my reaction to this considering you could possibly actually think this is correct or if I’m just insulting your intelligence by even considering you aren’t just a lying wolf. I’m sorry if it’s the later.

Let me go iso myself to appease far and away my biggest suspect just in case because I really want to win this game.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:49 pm “Wilgy is right outside your towncore” is a pretty dishonest way to evaluate what was always a pretty weak townread based on unstated differences between Wilgy’s play here and our play together when we were teamed….in a game where we won after I bussed him and Nutella that I don’t remember the name of. Like I was kinda kicking myself for bussing Wilgy in that game cause it felt like he took the bus in a way that felt obviously partnered with me at the time (guess I was wrong) but he didn’t have that awkwardness here. That was the entirety of my Wilgy townlean reasoning and that’s why he was still in the poe after Falcon flipped town. Like…I hope this isn’t town Camilla actually thinking I was all but Towncoring Wilgy based off this unspecified meta reason. Obviously I don’t think that’s the case but gah what a look.
I mean, your case on me basically goes on "you thought that Tutuu was the cop with a n1 on Wilgy so you're Mafia with them" which should be more clearing than the opposite.

Also the hell is with that read?

He was pretty much not playing at all so it's not like he'd display any awkwardness in posting.

Right…which is why he got a weak townread that was enough to make me vote Falcon over him but not enough to take him out of the poe. And then early yesterday, Wilgy pushed the idea of a difference check between Scotty and Pyxxy and that there HAD to be a wolf there. I asked him why and when he answered, o told him that answer wasn’t satisfactory.

Either you think I turned and bussed my partner while scuttling his attempt to misyeet both Scotty and Pyxxy by declaring them to be both locktown and Wilgy’s reasoning sus (which just…why would you think that?) or you didn’t read yesterday or you’re just a wolf.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:49 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:49 pm It's kinda interesting that I was the one to call Wilgy out and strongarm Camilla and Jack into voting him but by EOD they were both so confident on Wilgy scum that they were preflipping him red and associating him with the other.
Well I have an actual progression you can look at so
Quote the posts.

Show me the receipts.

It’s not my fault you didn’t read yesterday jc.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:42 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:38 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:34 pm Why was Scotty killed?
You'd always be protected tonight.

Roxy is tunneling on me.

Me/Pyxxy are basically Jack's path to victory.

So I'm not surprised that he got killed overnight.
@Jackofhearts2005 If Camilla is mafia, why not kill Roxy? More trusted than Scotty (at least FMPOV) and tunnelled on Camilla.

I mean Camilla is right on this front.

That kill was based on thinking Scotty was the doc or that you’d be doctored or it comes from you. Or I guess the wolf kill got randomized cause they forgot to submit.

I can understand shooting Scotty over Roxy if you’re Camilla. Maybe Roxy is more pro Jack and Scotty is more pro Camilla (idk) but Scotty was generally more active. I don’t understand Camilla (or w!Jack for that matter or w!Pyxxy or any other tinfoil wolf) shooting Scotty over Alison in a vanilla version of this game. Ergo, that’s not what happened.

Granted, a lot of it is based on progressing my reads on other players.

Like I didn’t have a “Wilgy is scum” case so much as a “there is no way Wilgy and Camilla are both town” case and a “Wilgy can’t be wolves with anyone but Camilla” case.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:49 pm It's kinda interesting that I was the one to call Wilgy out and strongarm Camilla and Jack into voting him but by EOD they were both so confident on Wilgy scum that they were preflipping him red and associating him with the other.

Well I have an actual progression you can look at so

“Wilgy is right outside your towncore” is a pretty dishonest way to evaluate what was always a pretty weak townread based on unstated differences between Wilgy’s play here and our play together when we were teamed….in a game where we won after I bussed him and Nutella that I don’t remember the name of. Like I was kinda kicking myself for bussing Wilgy in that game cause it felt like he took the bus in a way that felt obviously partnered with me at the time (guess I was wrong) but he didn’t have that awkwardness here. That was the entirety of my Wilgy townlean reasoning and that’s why he was still in the poe after Falcon flipped town. Like…I hope this isn’t town Camilla actually thinking I was all but Towncoring Wilgy based off this unspecified meta reason. Obviously I don’t think that’s the case but gah what a look.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:42 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:39 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 3:44 pm Prince Jack (the real rock n rolla....jk that song actually blows chunks and I like the Prince's WWE theme more)
Tutuu
Alison
Camilla
(line)
Wilgy
Scotty
(line)
Roxy
(line)
Pyxxy
Falcon

Ugh still feels too easy but I don't see a way out of it. I've isoed half the game this phase. Idk what more I'm supposed to do and fuck, maybe it really is the right answer and game is just ez.
Like, Jack's progression of Wilgy basically goes from Wilgy being very towny but not exactly towncore and suddenly after Alison and I start pushing him he's basically just casing a me with my interactions with Wilgy.

It's pretty much obvious TMI in this case as he knew that Wilgy would have flipped wolf and a villager in his position would just say that the team's Pyxxy/Me trying to mislynch Wilgy while instead he's laying the groundwork to push me the next day because he knew that Wilgy was wolfing.
TMI?

I didn’t spontaneously decide you and Wilgy were teamed. I went through the entirety of Roxy’s, Wilgy’s, Porscha’s and your isos. You can see me pulling these isos as the day goes on and you can see me pull bits of Scotty and Tutuu that are close to the posts from the isos I’m actually doing.

It’s not tmi to correctly evaluate a player while showing your work. That’s just good town play.

You’re calling it “tmi” because you’re a wolf.
You basically had no progression on Wilgy and suddenly went from Wilgy being right outside your towncore to being extremely confident that Wilgy is a wolf to the point that you started pushing me on interactions with him despite that he didn't flip yet.

If you were a villager and saw Wilgy pushing Pyxxy and me easily pushing Wilgy you wouldn't had had such an unnatural turn and instead would've claimed that I was trying to mislynch Wilgy and push pyxxy instead.

Idk if you just like skipped an entire day phase of me mostly talking to myself or if you’re just lying. Weird for you to even make this accusation.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:53 pm scotty's dead lol gg wp no rez

you have 48 hours to decide the elimination, until Monday, June 5 at 2:00 PM PST / 5:00 PM EST / 11:00 PM CET

btw there's no sleep

Spoiler: show

@Jackofhearts2005
@Alison
@Camilla
@pyxxy
@Roxy
@Scotty

I kinda just assumed Alison was dead. Actually surprised it’s Scotty. I think Camilla is the wolf for a lot of reasons but I’ll iso Alison off due diligence. Cause my reason for reaffirmingy townread on Alison was like “wolf Alison doesn’t bury wolf Wilgy because that would draw attention to her not dying.”

And hey, that’s probably still correct and this was probably just doc dodging but might as well do my due dilligence. It’s a long phase.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 3:44 pm Prince Jack (the real rock n rolla....jk that song actually blows chunks and I like the Prince's WWE theme more)
Tutuu
Alison
Camilla
(line)
Wilgy
Scotty
(line)
Roxy
(line)
Pyxxy
Falcon

Ugh still feels too easy but I don't see a way out of it. I've isoed half the game this phase. Idk what more I'm supposed to do and fuck, maybe it really is the right answer and game is just ez.
Like, Jack's progression of Wilgy basically goes from Wilgy being very towny but not exactly towncore and suddenly after Alison and I start pushing him he's basically just casing a me with my interactions with Wilgy.

It's pretty much obvious TMI in this case as he knew that Wilgy would have flipped wolf and a villager in his position would just say that the team's Pyxxy/Me trying to mislynch Wilgy while instead he's laying the groundwork to push me the next day because he knew that Wilgy was wolfing.

TMI?

I didn’t spontaneously decide you and Wilgy were teamed. I went through the entirety of Roxy’s, Wilgy’s, Porscha’s and your isos. You can see me pulling these isos as the day goes on and you can see me pull bits of Scotty and Tutuu that are close to the posts from the isos I’m actually doing.

It’s not tmi to correctly evaluate a player while showing your work. That’s just good town play.

You’re calling it “tmi” because you’re a wolf.

It was mostly dead to begin with.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:21 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:17 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:15 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:14 pm It's about D2 but I'll talk more about it tomorrow.
.......poke poke.......
Theory like this was about Jack being the Doctor and if so then I'll basically have to readjust my worldview as he has some PR-or-wolf vibes.

Thing is I doubt this is ever the case as I re-read his progression on Wilgy and it basically reeks of TMI.
.......ah..............ty.......

More like Camilla wanted to kill the conversation at eod but whatever.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:12 pm Treating Alison as an IC now as if the wolfteam's Wilgy/Porscha/Alison then she basically spent the entire game pointlessly bussing and she's not the kind of player that would gamethrow like this.

Pyxxy's very likely not it from how Wilgy was trying to push him non-stop throughout the game

Would always kill Jack over Roxy being that Jack's progression on Wilgy was atrocious.

But you need two misyeets to win so….

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:09 pm [VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine

Lol so much for that sudden eod secret relevation.

Wolf wins that need to go through me don’t happen.

Okay I’m fine with Camilla talking about that tomorrow. The chances of one of us not being here is very slight.

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:11 pm (I still think it's Wilgy/Camilla)
I'm actually less certain on you now as I remembered something.

Could you talk about it now? Or at least who you have with Wilgy?

Cause I'm having a hard time thinking of anyone but you that can be wolves with Wilgy. But if you think Wilgy is a wolf and I might not be....who could he be wolves with?

(I still think it's Wilgy/Camilla)

Maybe we're all just town.

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:00 pm Sorry if I'm seeming toxic. Just a bit stressed rn.

You're fine. It's just a game.

I wanna know who Camilla thinks is the doctor wowee

Who's having fun? I'm having fun.

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:45 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:33 pm

Me real quick internalizing if there's anyone besides Camilla that could be wolves with Wilgy or there's any wolfteam that doesn't include either Wilgy or Camilla.

I'm coming back with "I guess there's a very slim chance of Alison wolves with Wilgy instead of Camilla and I've missed it for not really looking at Alison" and "I guess there's a very slim chance of Pyxxy and Alison but I don't think we ever get there so it's not really worth looking into."
If Wilgy is wolf, Alison is clear as far as I’m concerned
Oh yeah, she did push Wilgy pretty hard at start of day and do that silly "clear Camilla if she votes for Wilgy" thing.

If she's the wolf, it's expected that she is nked after we yeet wolf Wilgy and it will be problematic when that doesn't happen. Ergo she's always just town if Wilgy is a wolf.

Good good.
There's also very little reason for w!Alison to hellbus Wilgy. Like at 5 vs 2, to win, she needs 2 misyeets. Probably in Pyxxy, Camilla, Jack but at the time she started pushing Wilgy, Scotty and Roxy were also viable. All townies misyeetable. Why hellbus your partner and draw extra attention to yourself when any other yeet is preferable and if Wilgy is gonna go, it's better to NOT be hellbussing so that nobody questions why you aren't nked. There's just no way it's Wilgy/Alison.
If it's Wilgy/Alison then Alison just lets town self-destruct rather than bus.

I don't know why is this possibility even being raised.

The possibility is being raised because I'm locked into a wolves are Wilgy/Camilla world. But I'm considering the possibility of town Camilla.

So then who else could be wolves with Wilgy? Not Roxy. Not Scotty. Not Pyxxy. Obviously not me fmpov. So if not Alison (and I come down on not Alison) there's no world where you are town and Wilgy is mafia.

Which is a pretty important thing to consider since we're about to yeet Wilgy, yeah?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:45 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:33 pm

Me real quick internalizing if there's anyone besides Camilla that could be wolves with Wilgy or there's any wolfteam that doesn't include either Wilgy or Camilla.

I'm coming back with "I guess there's a very slim chance of Alison wolves with Wilgy instead of Camilla and I've missed it for not really looking at Alison" and "I guess there's a very slim chance of Pyxxy and Alison but I don't think we ever get there so it's not really worth looking into."
If Wilgy is wolf, Alison is clear as far as I’m concerned
Oh yeah, she did push Wilgy pretty hard at start of day and do that silly "clear Camilla if she votes for Wilgy" thing.

If she's the wolf, it's expected that she is nked after we yeet wolf Wilgy and it will be problematic when that doesn't happen. Ergo she's always just town if Wilgy is a wolf.

Good good.

There's also very little reason for w!Alison to hellbus Wilgy. Like at 5 vs 2, to win, she needs 2 misyeets. Probably in Pyxxy, Camilla, Jack but at the time she started pushing Wilgy, Scotty and Roxy were also viable. All townies misyeetable. Why hellbus your partner and draw extra attention to yourself when any other yeet is preferable and if Wilgy is gonna go, it's better to NOT be hellbussing so that nobody questions why you aren't nked. There's just no way it's Wilgy/Alison.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:33 pm

Me real quick internalizing if there's anyone besides Camilla that could be wolves with Wilgy or there's any wolfteam that doesn't include either Wilgy or Camilla.

I'm coming back with "I guess there's a very slim chance of Alison wolves with Wilgy instead of Camilla and I've missed it for not really looking at Alison" and "I guess there's a very slim chance of Pyxxy and Alison but I don't think we ever get there so it's not really worth looking into."
If Wilgy is wolf, Alison is clear as far as I’m concerned

Oh yeah, she did push Wilgy pretty hard at start of day and do that silly "clear Camilla if she votes for Wilgy" thing.

If she's the wolf, it's expected that she is nked after we yeet wolf Wilgy and it will be problematic when that doesn't happen. Ergo she's always just town if Wilgy is a wolf.

Good good.

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:37 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:33 pm

Me real quick internalizing if there's anyone besides Camilla that could be wolves with Wilgy or there's any wolfteam that doesn't include either Wilgy or Camilla.

I'm coming back with "I guess there's a very slim chance of Alison wolves with Wilgy instead of Camilla and I've missed it for not really looking at Alison" and "I guess there's a very slim chance of Pyxxy and Alison but I don't think we ever get there so it's not really worth looking into."
This is mostly based off the idea that the Camilla "I thought Wilgy was a green peek from Tutuu" is actually somewhat believable and it would be kinda weird for w!Camilla to commit to this theatre if she knows Wilgy is also a wolf. I mean....I'd do it. I've done it in the past. But I don't really think most players do this. Idk. Thoughts?
Wasn't it painfully obvious that this was what happened D2?

It's really not.

The problem is that "I am teamed with Wilgy and so I'm going to continually put him at the bottom of my greens so that he's off the table without it looking like I'm defending him and I'm going to put him in the POE but not really talk about him so that he's on the table but not the focus and it doesn't look like I'm defending him" and "I think Wilgy is green peeked so I'm going to put him at the bottom of my greens/edge of my POE so that I don't out Tutuu as the cop and Wigly as the peek but also he never goes over today" look very very similar.

In both cases, you're looking to keep Wilgy from getting yeeted without looking like you're trying to keep Wilgy from getting yeeted.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:37 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:28 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:54 pm That jack is willing to die even before Camilla when Wilgy flips wolf is downright telling btw
.......helluva.......lotta..............pre-flipping.......here..............batman.......
Have you read the previous posts I’ve made today.

We’ve moved on from checkers and we’re playing warhammer bro

dakkadakkadakkadakka

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:34 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:31 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:20 pm And again, Tutuu literally says "This is not me softing a green peak on Wilgy."

There is zero reason to think Camilla thought that and a TON of reason to think she didn't. This is a retroactive read intended to make people townread her. It's a lie.

Camilla is a wolf.
I must defend her here. I can see a cop tutuu saying she’s not softing a green. It’s pure WIFOM because it has to be if she feels like her cover might be getting blown

I still think it’s far fetched in general, but it’s possible
If Tutuu was a cop and she was being cop read she'd not go "YES CAMILLA, I'M THE COP AND I HAVE A GREEN ON WILGY."

It's pretty much an argument completely done in bad faith as you are supposed to keep the PRs hidden and someone who's been playing this game for as long as Jack should be aware of that.

But this....didn't really happen? Like I don't see where Tutuu sees Camilla thinking she's the cop and so responds "I do not have a green on Wilgy btw" as like cover. It seems like she realizes someone in general could misinterpret that and so she specifically claims that isn't the case so as to not give that impression.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:33 pm

Me real quick internalizing if there's anyone besides Camilla that could be wolves with Wilgy or there's any wolfteam that doesn't include either Wilgy or Camilla.

I'm coming back with "I guess there's a very slim chance of Alison wolves with Wilgy instead of Camilla and I've missed it for not really looking at Alison" and "I guess there's a very slim chance of Pyxxy and Alison but I don't think we ever get there so it's not really worth looking into."

This is mostly based off the idea that the Camilla "I thought Wilgy was a green peek from Tutuu" is actually somewhat believable and it would be kinda weird for w!Camilla to commit to this theatre if she knows Wilgy is also a wolf. I mean....I'd do it. I've done it in the past. But I don't really think most players do this. Idk. Thoughts?

Me real quick internalizing if there's anyone besides Camilla that could be wolves with Wilgy or there's any wolfteam that doesn't include either Wilgy or Camilla.

I'm coming back with "I guess there's a very slim chance of Alison wolves with Wilgy instead of Camilla and I've missed it for not really looking at Alison" and "I guess there's a very slim chance of Pyxxy and Alison but I don't think we ever get there so it's not really worth looking into."

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:27 pm I'm too deep in my tunnel to consider town Camilla any further.

Even though the evidence is a bit more muddied than previously believed.

I'm too deep in my tunnel to consider town Camilla any further.

Idk at what point Neon claimed cop but by D3, Camilla has two wolves in this group as her solve:

Wilgy
Jack
Pyxxy
Falcon

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:22 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 4:46 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 4:44 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 4:42 pm @falcon45ca

If Rondo's W then who's his last partner?

If he's a miss then who are the two wolves?
I've already said I feel there's a wolf in the 3 of Neon/tutuu/Alison

Who's a wolf when I flip green? Book it, I'm town
2 of Rondo/J/Wilgy/Pyxxy.

I don't get how you think there's a wolf in those three?
Does this look like Camilla talking about someone she thinks is green peeked?

Disregard. This is a misreading of what Camilla is saying.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 4:46 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 4:44 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 4:42 pm @falcon45ca

If Rondo's W then who's his last partner?

If he's a miss then who are the two wolves?
I've already said I feel there's a wolf in the 3 of Neon/tutuu/Alison

Who's a wolf when I flip green? Book it, I'm town
2 of Rondo/J/Wilgy/Pyxxy.

I don't get how you think there's a wolf in those three?

Does this look like Camilla talking about someone she thinks is green peeked?

And again, Tutuu literally says "This is not me softing a green peak on Wilgy."

There is zero reason to think Camilla thought that and a TON of reason to think she didn't. This is a retroactive read intended to make people townread her. It's a lie.

Camilla is a wolf.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 4:45 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 4:42 pm How we feeling with Rondo/falcon wagons? I feel pretty good that at least one of these is wolf
Maybe?

I'm still fairly certain on Alison/Zenon, a bit less on you/Tutu. Roxy is probably just a villa.

Atp Wilgy/J feel like reading tea leaves and are also in my PoE as Pyxxy so I'm not 100% certain that these wagons have at least 1 wolf in them.

Wilgy is so null, trying to find his alignment is like "reading tea leaves."

Again, this is a player Camilla claims to think is green peeked.

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 12:12 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 12:09 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 12:07 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 12:05 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 12:00 pm Who 3rd?
Haven’t done my DD but I’m thinking within
Prince/Alison/falcon
I think J has a chance of being a wolf going UTR as I don't think Porscha's ping to him is that significant.

He kind of just dipped the moment we brought up Porscha's ping and that's kind of unlike him as he's more enthusiastic than this.

He tends to have a hectic schedule so he usually just posts in bursts rather than threadcamp but it was kind of odd for his energy to suddenly dissipate that quickly.
Yeah Porscha’s ping is the only mention of him, and as I said in the Porscha iso, she listed 3 low posters, but didn’t mention prince. Why?
I think we're reading too hard into Porscha complaining about lowposters.

I'd say it's Rule of Three but Rule of Three has become such a popular tell that a lot of wolves don't do it anymore.

I disagree.

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 1:03 am -----------------
Camilla
Alison
Zenon
Scotty
tutuu

Rondo
Wilgy
J

falcon
Pyxxy

Roxy
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Roughly where I'm at, I think?

Don't necessarily think that the game's just as easy as Roxy/Pyxxy.

Pyxxy's lack of town entitlement was meh but the way Porscha/Pyxxy handled each other kind of doesn't feel W/W-ish at all.

Gonna head to bed and think about this when I wake up.

Wilgy still hasn't moved up the readlist and nothing in the way Camilla talks about Wilgy implies she thinks for even a second that Wilgy is green checked.

I think that's just a flat lie from w!Camilla clutching at straws to try to make herself look townie.

if you're very gullible)

Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 10:57 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 10:49 pm Pyxxy + wilgy is a possible team too (wilgy sheeping on a wolf flip) in w/w wagons

I dont think wilgy is mafia without pyxxy, just shrug sheeping on a wolf wagon and 3 posting is not a scum activity. He put porscha at 3 votes. He knows 4 votes are enough to chop someone on the syndicate. My game was a 15er and the d1 wagon had 4 votes to chop it, a lot of players here played it
Didn't Wilgy put Porscha at 4 votes since you were on her when he voted or am I misremembering?

Either way I'm kind of reluctant on Pyxxy as the way Porscha treated him didn't really feel like she was doing it in a W/W way.

Defending Wilgy who is again, a null or the very bottom of her townleans (or is a green check

Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 10:57 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 10:49 pm Pyxxy + wilgy is a possible team too (wilgy sheeping on a wolf flip) in w/w wagons

I dont think wilgy is mafia without pyxxy, just shrug sheeping on a wolf wagon and 3 posting is not a scum activity. He put porscha at 3 votes. He knows 4 votes are enough to chop someone on the syndicate. My game was a 15er and the d1 wagon had 4 votes to chop it, a lot of players here played it
Didn't Wilgy put Porscha at 4 votes since you were on her when he voted or am I misremembering?

Either way I'm kind of reluctant on Pyxxy as the way Porscha treated him didn't really feel like she was doing it in a W/W way.

Defending Wilgy who is again, a null or the very bottom of her townleans (or is a green check

Tutuu: "I am not softing a green on [Wilgy]"

Camilla: "And I thought that meant Tutuu was softing a green on Wilgy, which proves I don't have tmi, which proves I'm town."

Looooool

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:58 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:56 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:48 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 5:35 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 5:33 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 5:29 pm

What about Wilgy?

I basically have him in my "kinda villagery" area for his last vote on Porscha but in the end it I don't think that it was as good a reason for me to towncore him as Alison/You/Seanzie/Zenon.
i had a villager read on him from his opening post of him being exhausted with his quirk

so basically he says that every game

one time he didn't - he was actual doctor. the next time he was doctor he said it, but im making the argument that wilgy attaches some ... lets say stress/anxiety/effort to his one-liner copy paste gimmick.

him expressing that he got tired of it this game, just like stopping it midway and being like "nvm" basically just reprents to me that he's a vanilla town. so in a way he "let jesus take the wheel"

i might be clearing him too easily, you are making me feel paranoid, but ...

he did sheep. which. hm.

if i try to justify my townread on wilgy im falling flat.

so lets say ... im just going with gut here. i cant provide solid logical argumetns for why wilgy is mega town

also to clarify im NOT softing a green on him
Yh, I'm fine with not voting Wilgy for today.

I don't wanna say anything more as I feel like I've already fucked up enough rn.
Just pulling some Camilla/Wilgy interactives.
I interpreted this as Tutuu having a green check on Wilgy. Which shows a lack of TMI rather than agenda.
Then how come you have Wilgy in your nulls (or if there are supposed to be 3 green categories, at the bottom of your townleans) in your next readlist?

Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 5:42 pm Camilla
Zenon
Alison
tutu

Scotty

J
Wilgy

falcon
pyxxy

Roxy
Rondo

Currently where I'm at, tbh.

Because I didn’t want to signal to the wolfteam that “HEY GUYS THIS IS THE COP AND SHE HAS A GREEN CHECK ON WILGY.

Hmm yes, well trust me, there's a lot of posts where I also didn't have tmi but then I didn't say anything because I didn't want to signal but trust me, they're totally real so I have to be townie.

Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 5:50 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 5:47 pm i would like to point out that in last game porscha wolfed in here (i hosted it, the one i linked to alison earlier) - she was mafia with pyxxy and zenon, and all 3 heavily relied on bussing. they did it way too much imo

also pyxxy did some wild stuff with lack of self preservation in an attempt to bring chaos
This is kind of why I'm locktowning Zenon.

She never hard-defends a wolf-partners like Porscha like this.

Pyxxy I feel like he'd be trying to look unaligned with Porscha in this thread-state rather than just awkwardly try to shift the wagon to someone who's not a viable elim than this so I kind of would always kill Falco/Rondo/Roxy/Maybe J or Wigly before him, tbh.

Literally player salad.

In context, your posts about Wilgy feel a lot more like a teammate you want others to townread and you don't want to really take a stand on yourself.

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