The Syndicate

Silver Lantern wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Yeah, gfishfunk is a liar. Who the hell uses a block / kill BEFORE an alignment check.

Lies.
Obviously you have never played with Gfish...

He does dumb shit all the time, lololol.

Yeah but not this dumb.

That's a safeclaim.

changed vote to GFish

Long Con wrote:
Silver Lantern wrote:I just read the Geth Role. Frankly, I don't have an issue with him. I think that the fact that he claimed obviously means he plans to side with the Alliance.
I got some swampland in Florida to sell you.

Lol Silver = Reaver

If two players voting for me switch to GFish, I will, too.

I think Epi and Silver are better choices but I'll take a for sure GFish lynch over a fifty fifty shot between Epi and me.

DrWilgy wrote:Epi, please help the civs and vote Jack.

Please don't punish all the civs for afew being wrong/misguided/mafia.

Linki - 8/10, there was no investment before hand. There are multuple roles making that claim easy and if Gfish was on the team that targeted Epi, it would explain the motive.

Ugh. Stupid phone. I swear I hit reply.

Wigly, does Dom basing his vote off a misunderstanding of what I meant by "rainbow", SVS misunderstanding my case on Nutella yesterday and then refusing to answer my questions or reevaluate her read on me in light of this while doing no scumhunting at all and Silver's lack of townie behavior not give you pause? What about Fred think I'm a distraction more than I'm scum and voting for that reason?

Could you find it in your heart to vote for the player who has basically claimed scum instead of the guy with several bad votes on him?

Or at least put it on GFish so that a switch to him is in the cards instead of making it me or Epi?

sprityo wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote: Nifty, Joh, how often does Gfish default to a bus and is it ever his first option?

Something I'd like the realms players to think about. Is the lack of role claiming when asked removing usable information?

It feels that there is a reliance upon roles happening. That info isn't usable.
He's willing to bus. It's not his first option.

I think it depends on the ruleset. In this game, no, generally not.

Yes, there is reliance. It's getting better.

sprityo wrote: SVS's logic , re: the color codes, is plausible
Yuck.

Please explain "SVS" had to say about color codes and how it makes me scum. In your own words, please.

Cause the color codes thing doesn't make sense. I want you to either double down on it, revealing your scumminess or put that vote somewhere else. I'm okay with either.

sprityo wrote:@JoH asked you a question yesterday, do you mind answering it still?
I thought I already did. Sorry if I missed it.

You said GTH, if I had to save Wigly, MP or GFish, who do I save.

Wigly.
-From what I picked up it seemed like she correlated it to some sorta fishy tactic of color coding things. But I wasn't fully on board with it. Hence "plausible"

-Thanks for the answer! But could you explain why you don't want to save MP or Gfish?

I don't think GFish is town.

I feel less strongly about MP being town than I do about Wigly. If I get two saves, I save MP too. If I get one, Wigly > MP. Wigly feels good in all things. MP felt good, then backtracked, then disappeared. So not as good as Wigly.

@Wigly

Scale of 1 to 10, how sure are you that GFish's roleclaim is a lie?

(Trying desperately to get out of finishing this ISO.)

If I had a nickel for every pair of players that together think I am both spending too much time on Dom and also not enough time on Dom or too much time defending myself and also not enough time defending myself, I could buy a pack of gum.

S~V~S wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Adam is null. Look into him later. Confident in my ability to read late game Adam and not early game Adam.
Nifty is town.
Dom is maybe town.
Wigly is for sure town.
Dizzy is maybe scum.
Epi is for sure scum or potential scum. Thanks for claiming, Epi.
Fred is for sure town.
GFish is probably still scum. I was really sure of him yesterday but he's been following my vote and not engaging with me. Everything from him today would look legit if I wasn't here. Worrisome. Need to reISO.
Raven is null. Same has Adam. I can find him later.
LC is still town.
MP is probably still town. Where did he go, especially on GFish? Possible distancing. Need to reISO. I was so sure he was town on Day One. Need to find that again or pick at it.
Nutella is probably bad. Forget the Realms weapons triangle. She's passive. Not insitefuo. Where is supertown Nutella? Why is she ignoring me?
Silver is bad for sure. Not trying. Not being legit. "Bah, vote Jack. He's scum" is not a defense and it is not scumhunting.
SVS is probably scum. Taking the easy path. Ignoring me. Doesn't want me to defend myself against Dom. Lazy townie at best.
Tony is town. Totally legit. He's trying.

Note to self: put in some no w/w reads and order this into a black and white bow.
At first I was probably a misguided civvie, now I am suddenly bad? I am far from ignoring you. And you are just No U-ing Dom, and now me. I play differently than most people, I am sorry you think it is lazy. It is not.

At first, you posted statements that demonstrated you did not understand my posts aimed at Nutella and MP and you asked for clarification. That reads confused town.

For the whole night and whole day, you've done basically nothing but vote for me while refusing to say why or address the clear misunderstanding you had Day One. That reads scum.

You are absolutely ignoring me. Forth request:

"What about my night one posts do you not like? Specific things about specific posts."

Forget Dom. I'm not scum reading Dom and Dom can speak for himself. I'm scum reading you.

Adam is null. Look into him later. Confident in my ability to read late game Adam and not early game Adam.
Nifty is town.
Dom is maybe town.
Wigly is for sure town.
Dizzy is maybe scum.
Epi is for sure scum or potential scum. Thanks for claiming, Epi.
Fred is for sure town.
GFish is probably still scum. I was really sure of him yesterday but he's been following my vote and not engaging with me. Everything from him today would look legit if I wasn't here. Worrisome. Need to reISO.
Raven is null. Same has Adam. I can find him later.
LC is still town.
MP is probably still town. Where did he go, especially on GFish? Possible distancing. Need to reISO. I was so sure he was town on Day One. Need to find that again or pick at it.
Nutella is probably bad. Forget the Realms weapons triangle. She's passive. Not insitefuo. Where is supertown Nutella? Why is she ignoring me?
Silver is bad for sure. Not trying. Not being legit. "Bah, vote Jack. He's scum" is not a defense and it is not scumhunting.
SVS is probably scum. Taking the easy path. Ignoring me. Doesn't want me to defend myself against Dom. Lazy townie at best.
Tony is town. Totally legit. He's trying.

Note to self: put in some no w/w reads and order this into a black and white bow.

Still waiting on Nutella, SVS and Dom.

@Adam

Specifically, what posts that SVS has made do you like and why?

Adam wrote:Ignore that link, tried cutting and pasting from quick reply to full reply and posted a link to the game thread.

I was trying to respond to Fred that I think Jack is playing uncharacteristically opportunistic. He seems thrown off his normal town game. I would have expected town Jack to have better found his footing at this point.

Please explain.

I have several scum reads, including two I'm almost totally sure of.

I have several strong town reads as well.

To what extend would you expect me to "find my footing" normally that I haven't, here? Do you think I lack "footing" when I am scum?

Or is this mostly a response to people not just following me like they tend to on the Realms? It's easier to push a train with majority voting because you HAVE to make a decision earlier. Here, players are encouraged to stand their ground alone on one vote trains and you can lynch with three votes. Harder to convince people to follow imo.

Reapers:
They kill on Nights 1, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 12 (and so on with even-numbered nights)

Cerberus:
They kill on Nights 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 9, 11, 13 (and so on with odd-numbered nights)

I meant to post this earlier. The fuck is this about?

Is this supposed to be a compromise between Realms rules where all scumteams kill every night and Syndicate rules where (based on the one double mafia Syndicate game I've played) the scum teams alternate between kill nights?

Seems very mathematical, doesn't it?

Number of mafia kills goes 2,1,1,2,1,1,2 then 1 for the rest of the game.

EBWOP

If you think you can get Epi lynched, why shoot him?

change vote to Epi

While I'm ~90% convinced Silver is bad, I'm 100% convinced Epi isn't a civ. I think LC is town and I believe him (and agree in my own less experienced with Epi way) that Epi will likely choose to align with the mafia if he's telling the truth.

Plus, you can probably lynch Epi and vig Silver. Vigging Epi and lynching Silver is more likely to backfire.

I don't think Epi's gambit is town helpful, though I tend to believe he really made it. LC's defense is convincing. Nifty is likely town. Dizzy is null at this point. GFish is likely scum but I do believe he knows Epi was blocked and his block straw clutching gambit is very GFishian, meaning the block, not a kill is his reason for voting Epi. Considering the number of blockers, doctors, vests, etc and that there's only a 50% chance of Epi dissipating the kill if he really is the Geth, I don't think the "one mafia tried to kill Epi" theory is sound. Even if we knew the kill failed while being aimed at Epi, the odds lean on him being scum because there are two 100% bulletproof mafia players and one 50% bulletproof Geth. Additionally, why would the scum shoot Epi then turn around and try to lynch him? If you think you can kill Epi, why shoot him?

Make no mistake, I still think Silver is bad.

@Dom

If you magically knew I was town, who would you vote for today and why?

I know you don't know this. Humor me.

@Nifty

I have nothing more concrete on Silver. My read of him is purely based on him not trying to scumhunt (see Phenom and Superior Foes for contrast and Hybridity for comparison) and him going through the motions, attacking people for deflection rather than actually being mad or annoyed.

If you feel like he doesn't have anything he can really say to this, consider he has had several hours to put forth reads. Instead, he hops on the easiest train, mine. This is not town Silver behavior.

What would it take to get you to vote for Silver?

If it comes down to me and Epi or me and GFish, where are you voting?

gfishfunk wrote:
Silver Lantern 3 - Jackofhearts2005 (18), nutella (20), gfishfunk (21) 14%
Oooooph. Its that moment when you get on a train and see who you are are sharing seats with.

Right?

Like now I just need SVS and Silver Lantern to vote for Silver.

EBWOP:
Switch the PC and mobile bits

@SVS
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthrea ... ost8832465
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthrea ... ost8833863
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthrea ... ost8829875
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 67#p356067

And of course the post you quoted, one of the rainbows was colored (probably on mobile) and the other was not (probably on PC).

The "rainbow lie" arguement is without merit. I'm more than capable of providing a "rainbow list" without color and the core of the argument is that I didn't actually make a rainbow list in the quick reply because that would have meant doing it without color.

Dom's logic goes:
Bad assumption->Therefore Jack is lying->Therefore Jack is bad. He's been stuck there ever since.

Your logic goes:
Bad assumption->Therefore Jack is lying->Jack is lying to act like he's contributing when he's not->Therefore Jack is bad.

Considering I have almost twice as many posts as you have and have produced far more content than you in terms of reads, arguments and meta, is that really your argument against me? That I'm pretending to play this game?

You want me to focus on Silver. Fine. Let's focus on Silver. What do you think of Silver? Do you think that he is pretending to be mad to cover that he is not contributing? Do you think that his tone is far more similar to his bad Hybridity performance I linked to instead of his townie performance in Phenom? He died early in both. An ISO of those games won't take long.

What do you think of the fact that basically all the Syndicate players town read Silver by Day 2 in Phenom but nobody seems to be town reading him here? Is that alignment indicative?

DFW traffic.

Pro: I can play mafia on the way to work.
Con: A jogger I passed twenty minutes ago just passed me.

@Dom

Are you a politician trying to get elected on the false idea that I am scum or are you a good member of the alliance trying to save the galaxy?

Enough starting with the conclusion and then reframing evidence to fit that conclusion. Enough "Jack isn't answering my questions" and "I don't think Jack did x" when the ISO button is right ducking there and you just have to click it to see you're wrong.

Third request: Restate your concerns or questions without weasel words and I will address them.

I'm pretty sure if Dom is town and would both ISO me and attempt to evaluate my alignment instead of tunnel, he would find that I've answered every question he's asked (usually prior to him asking).

If he would state his questions, we could reset. Instead, he harps on me not answering when I'm pretty sure I have. In particular, the questions regarding what I meant by "rainbow" and the Nut fish/Bob/Jack reads have been answered. Easily found in the ISO.

@Dom

It was a joke. Obviously. Using a joke and my actual statement and then saying I am being inconsistent is intellectually dishonest. I expect better of you.

Am I not addressing Rainbowgate or are we stuck on Rainbowgate because I want us to be? It can't be both.

For the second time, ask me a non leading question and I will answer you. For the fourth or so time, I'm not going to discuss this while you're being unreasonable.

You don't think I've made a rainbow since? ISO me. You are wrong. It was uncolored. Or check the link I provided for baddie Silver play. There are several uncolored rainbows, there.

S~V~S wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Slightly annoyed that just about nobody is town reading Silver but nobody but me will vote for him.

Does anyone have any reason to think Silver is town? Any reason at all?
No, but I don't have any reason to think you are, either.

For the third time:

What about my night one posts do you not like? Specific things about specific posts.

The longer your vote sits on me without you providing reasoning, the less you look like a townie and the more you look like GFish or Silver's scumbuddy.

Am I the only one who sees SVS standing on a vote she originally placed while asking me for clarification on a post she viewed as suspicious, choosing to not address my answer at all and refusing to actually say why she is voting for me today? Is this normal behavior for townie SVS?

Slightly annoyed that just about nobody is town reading Silver but nobody but me will vote for him.

Does anyone have any reason to think Silver is town? Any reason at all?

TonyStarkPrime wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Regarding wild speculation of Nifty as mafia, don't you think he would have killed me instead of Bob? I'm known for tunneling on town Nifty (though I think I've gotten better about this) so I'm dangerous for scum Nifty to have around.
I do, which is why the teams Nifty is on target Epi instead of CBob.

About the whole Epi thing in general: If he is telling the truth, his play is in my opinion questionable. But I don't necessarily see a reason to disbelieve him for now, he could very well be a mafia don and just trying to avoid being shot at, but his Vega claim worked for the town and I think it might have accomplished the same thing, so I don't see why to disbelieve him.

Changing my vote to myself since JOH confused me about why I wanted him to claim. I still kind of want him to claim, but I guess the pressure won't do it. I will hopefully move my vote again because it would be bad to lynch myself.

Epi's ultimate "I am smarter than you" move is to side with the reapers if we don't lynch them soon.

Geth are like the Covenant now, right?

@Nut didn't you owe me an answer on something?

Fredwood wrote:So Jack, since Spirit isn't here, is there a reason you haven't answered his question? It seems to be a sticking point for him that you haven't answered it yet.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 31#p356731

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 91#p355891

Epignosis wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Long Con wrote:This is awesomely wack.
Is Epi's behavior consistent with neutral Epi? Or Epi trying to draw some scum voters into a trap?
This is a very poor question. I'm neutral right now. If I can draw Reapers into a trap, and it is successful, I have an incentive to side with the Alliance. Right now I have no reason to side with the Alliance, and if I draw the lynch, that's cool too, because you burn a lynch on me instead of a Reaper.

I fucking love this role.
You know that (supposedly). I don't know that.

If you're Geth, that's one thing. If you're the Illusive Man or the Thorian or Aria or Soverign, that's something entirely different. It's important to figure out which we're dealing with, here.

You know this, though. Sometimes, I feel like you dismissing legitimate lines of thinking as stupid because it would be easier for you if those lines of thinking were dismissed. Weakens your arguments, imo.
You know?

Spoiler: show

TonyStarkPrime wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
TonyStarkPrime wrote: I voted for Jack because I want him to claim, not because I necessarily want to lynch him. I didn't vote for Nifty because I don't think he needs to claim right now if he doesn't want to, I just think he has been pinging me so far today. Jack pinged me a lot yesterday by playing a rather unusual game and not acting as I would expect, but that isn't anything related to anything he said in game, especially today. The difference for me with Nifty is he, or at least my interpretation of him, seemed to want to lynch Epi just as much as everyone else did at the time, despite focusing post of his posting on him. To me, if he were town, I would call it tunneling, but when he moved his vote away it suggested to me that he had tested the waters and wanted to try moving away for a while.

I don't like his vote on me either, but I can understand it.
Is that all? I'd rather not but I've narrowed myself down to what? 8 characters? (I haven't played ME2 or ME3 so I don't know how many lady good guys there are off the top of my head.) Plus, given the setup, I don't think claiming is that big of a deal.

Who are you voting for if you aren't voting for me?

Can you explain the second bit, there? What did I do that you wouldn't expect or what did I not do that you would expect?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: There are many reasons to distrust Jack, but I feel that this whole rainbow issue seems off for both of you.
How so?

I am voting for you to put my vote somewhere. You have acted quieter this game than I would expect, with a larger portion of your content being unfocused. That said, that is also significantly different than I would expect if you were maf, so I don't know how much I can count that against you.
It isn't that important for you to claim if you don't want to, I guess saying that you are a girl Shepard can romance with is a specific enough clue. But a claim from you would alleviate my suspicions.

I think the rainbow thing is off for Dom because he is mentioning it with alarming frequency. I think it is a little off for you because you almost use it as an excuse to avoid answering questions. I don't understand the benefit of either of you bringing it up, so I don't see why it keeps going on.

Two quick guesses on what I think the mafia teams could be, just for fun:

JOH
Dom (Long Con?)
Nifty

Silver
Nutella
MP

If Epi is telling the truth and is mostly correct, one of the maf teams targeted him for a kill. That team includes Long Con, according to his suspicions, but because I am currently operating under the assumption that JOH is maf (maybe a terrible idea), and I think the other maf likely killed CBob, since that is a goal JOH seemed to be pushing for the first day and he would not want to be suspect of that. I don't think a team with 2+ hcrealms members would likely target CBob night one, but I have three most suspect members from hcrealms, so I would then put one of them with JOH. Since in my awesome fantasy land, Dom is trying to bus JOH right now, I am putting him as the second member of that team, but with Long Con subbing in because that seems a little on the fantastical side. I don't think JOH and Silver are on the same maf team, so Nifty takes the third slot. The other team fills itself out, starting with Silver and moving to two others I suspect. MP seems like a strong character to be influenced by JOH and Silver seems like he would try something else, but who knows.

And an almost identical guess without JOH as maf:

Nifty
Adam
Long Con

Silver
Nutella
spirityo

Kind of edit: I do like Silver's new posts, that might change my guesses.

I like this post a lot.

I don't agree with that much of it but I like that you're explaining yourself and following theories to their full conclusion while also not tunneling. I think you really think these things. I think you are trying to catch mafia.

Revising my read of Tony (idk if I had posted it but it was very light scum) to light town.

Regarding wild speculation of Nifty as mafia, don't you think he would have killed me instead of Bob? I'm known for tunneling on town Nifty (though I think I've gotten better about this) so I'm dangerous for scum Nifty to have around.

Epignosis wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Long Con wrote:This is awesomely wack.
Is Epi's behavior consistent with neutral Epi? Or Epi trying to draw some scum voters into a trap?
This is a very poor question. I'm neutral right now. If I can draw Reapers into a trap, and it is successful, I have an incentive to side with the Alliance. Right now I have no reason to side with the Alliance, and if I draw the lynch, that's cool too, because you burn a lynch on me instead of a Reaper.

I fucking love this role.

You know that (supposedly). I don't know that.

If you're Geth, that's one thing. If you're the Illusive Man or the Thorian or Aria or Soverign, that's something entirely different. It's important to figure out which we're dealing with, here.

You know this, though. Sometimes, I feel like you dismissing legitimate lines of thinking as stupid because it would be easier for you if those lines of thinking were dismissed. Weakens your arguments, imo.

Silver Lantern wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Dom wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Jesus Christ. If I didn't already know your town game makes no sense to me after Unfortunate Events...
Don't discredit me because I suspect you. Refute it with actual specifics. Don't complain that nutella is too vague but not provide specifics on why I'm wrong.
No.

You're claiming to magically know I lied about making a rainbow. You're either convinced I'm scum and there's nothing I can possibly do about that or you're pretending and your town play as seen in Unfortunate Events is so far off what I understand that I don't have any confidence in my ability to catch you.

You can vote for me if you like but I don't see the merit in engaging with you. I'll take my chances in surviving the day with one extra vote on me.
Town Jack doesn't back down. Look Jack, I can play this game too...

Yeah, but only one of us is being serious.

Do I need to quote posts from my previous town games where I handwaved irrational accusations?

When you're town, you don't pretend to be mad to distract from the fact that you aren't trying to catch scum.

Silver Lantern wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Silver

You're playing much more like bad you and much less like good you. I know you'd have no qualms about killing Bob on night one.

Why should I not vote for you and who should I vote for instead?
I have absolutely no qualms about killing Bob (or anyone else) on any night and I have zero problems admitting that.

Obviously many of the HCR folks are assuming I am scum, and I have no problems with it cause if it keeps other townies alive, I am for it. You know the best argument for me being town? I am still alive. You'd think that with 2 mafias whichever mafia I was not on would have hit me last night. But since I am town, both sides assumed the other mafia would kill me, and neither did. That's why I am town.

Show of hands. Does a single other player agree with this? That Silver Lantern is most dangerous player and obvious townie so both mafias assumed he'd be killed by the other?

Give me a real reason why you're town.

Silver Lantern wrote: You're one of my top scum reads. I don't like how you have failed to address Dom's accusation, and I see your pointing the finger at me as nothing more than trying to take interest off yourself. SVS's continual pushing on me with her silly argument, time after time after time after time is also a huge red flag.

Explain to me Dom's accusation that I failed to address in your own words. No hidding behind other players. You want to accuse me? Accuse me. Don't say Dom is accusing me. Why do you think I'm scum?

Long Con wrote:This is awesomely wack.

Is Epi's behavior consistent with neutral Epi? Or Epi trying to draw some scum voters into a trap?

Lol I hate your gambit, Epi.

Cause you could be a bulletproof don. You could be the Cylons and you then side with the mafia, especially if we lynch a townie or two. I'm gonna feel stupid if either of these turn out to be the case, whereas I won't feel stupid if we lynch you no matter what. But like....I believe this is a thing you would do. It's exactly the kind of outside the box "I am so much smarter than you" trickery you'd pull. And if you are the Geth, you don't know if the people going after you are Cerberus or Reapers so you're knowingly opening the possibility of weakening one of your potential sides to help the town.

Here's the thing, though. If GFish blocked you, that means you didn't dissipate squat (right? rb > defenses?), which means that the players voting for you don't think you're a vested scummer. They just think you're bad, which means the only thing we got out of this is your claim.

Alternatively, if you did dissipate the kill, that means GFish is more likely to be lying, banking on you getting lynched, flipping scum (cause he thinks you're the bulletproof don) and ending the discussion.

Also, look at this worthless lump of posts. Nothing helpful at all.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 6&sr=posts

Linki: Thanks for adding some more fake outrage, Silver. Why aren't you scumhunting even a little bit?

So the real question is why are people still voting for me when there are so many better targets?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: I voted for Jack because I want him to claim, not because I necessarily want to lynch him. I didn't vote for Nifty because I don't think he needs to claim right now if he doesn't want to, I just think he has been pinging me so far today. Jack pinged me a lot yesterday by playing a rather unusual game and not acting as I would expect, but that isn't anything related to anything he said in game, especially today. The difference for me with Nifty is he, or at least my interpretation of him, seemed to want to lynch Epi just as much as everyone else did at the time, despite focusing post of his posting on him. To me, if he were town, I would call it tunneling, but when he moved his vote away it suggested to me that he had tested the waters and wanted to try moving away for a while.

I don't like his vote on me either, but I can understand it.

Is that all? I'd rather not but I've narrowed myself down to what? 8 characters? (I haven't played ME2 or ME3 so I don't know how many lady good guys there are off the top of my head.) Plus, given the setup, I don't think claiming is that big of a deal.

Who are you voting for if you aren't voting for me?

Can you explain the second bit, there? What did I do that you wouldn't expect or what did I not do that you would expect?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: There are many reasons to distrust Jack, but I feel that this whole rainbow issue seems off for both of you.

How so?

Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:There being role claiming and info dumping allowed means USE that mechanic to the best of it's ability.
You mean like this?

I am not James Vega. I lied.

I am the fucking Terminator.

I am Zodac, the Cosmic Enforcer.

I am the God of Cylons.

I have no allegiance to anybody...yet.

Tuck and roll bitches? Please. I am metal. I don't tuck or roll.

I am here to judge. And dissipate.

There was no second kill Night 1. So you say. I don't agree. It's likely I was the target and dissipated it. Ironically, instead of being worshiped like the mechanical god I am, people voted for me.

I like that.

Can you imagine why?

James Vega does not exist, for he is not in the database. I falsely claimed to be him, knowing that if someone tried to kill me, that team would know I was lying about "tuck and roll."

Tuck and roll - You will be immune to all non-lethal night actions this night.
That says non-lethal. I should be dead if a team tried to take me out.

But I'm not dead.

What a shame. You know what else is a shame?

Humans.

Humans exhibit qualities of anger and revenge. It's sad really, but I am using that to my advantage: If anyone from the team that tried to kill me knew I was lying, they probably suspected I was on the other team. They may have believed I am Soverign or the Illusive Man, for instance, who survives the first kill against him.

To put it in the simplest terms:

If someone tried to kill me, that team knows I lied when I said "Tuck and roll bitches." They know my "claim" was fake. Votes against me then, are attempts to gain credibility by lynching mafia, but I'm not mafia.

Long Con's reaction to my initial Vega claim (and being nervous ) makes me most suspicious of him. He didn't vote for me until after I claimed (I didn't claim ). He wants to lynch me so he can get credit for lynching mafia...only I'm not mafia.

I'm machine.

Tuck and roll bitches.

My initial plan was to withhold all this until exactly one hour before the end of the Day. Instead I think it's best that I'm giving the civilians a chance to actually do something right. If you don't, oh well, but it doesn't concern me. I don't care if I get lynched, because if I do, I can be aligned with the Reapers and that fucks you out of a lynch against them, thereby improving my own chance to win. I'm telling you this now so that you, Alliance people, get your heads out of your asses and make me want to align with you. The downside is that I probably kept one of you alive last Night by absorbing the Night kill target and now I cannot repeat the procedure because I will not be targeted. Oh well. I don't like the bad logic I've seen today. Do better.

Right now my projections currently predict the civilians getting positively hosed.

You have the opportunity to change that.

The question is

C:\WILLYOU>_

Epignosis wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: I think Epi is good.
I'm a toaster.

Wait.

You're a Cylon?

Fredwood wrote:Though likely Jack just hasn't caught up to your plot twist yet.

I'm caught up but I admit, I kinda skimmed Epi's long thing where he explained that being immune to non lethal actions means you don't avoid kills.

What did I miss?

CaptainNifty wrote:I can't trust my gut on Jack. There's just too much history, and there hasn't been enough play for me to point to anything that is just glaringly wrong.

My gut says Jack is scum, but my gut always says Jack is scum. Jack also feels less scummy than usual.

My gut just can't be trusted with Jack right now.

TSP however is acting more scummy. His read of me I think is completely off base. His read of adam and gfish also seem suspect.

Moving vote to TSP

I don't like TSP's vote on me.

I don't like a lot of things about Silver. Would you be willing to switch to Silver Lantern.

I think Epi is good.

@SVS

Why won't you answer me? You're leading a lynch with no argument.

@Dom

I'll play if you play nice. I've explained my thoughts on Nutella several times. I'm not sure what you want.

Restate in a non leading way and leave open the possibility of me being town and I'll talk to ya.

Silver Lantern wrote:Gotta drive home so I will catch up later tonight, I am putting down a vote on Jack cause I do not want to miss another vote, and I am almost certain he is scum based on his game play up to where I've read.

Fredwood wrote: SIlver - Still feels like he's playing a parody of himselfinstead of actually playing himself...it's a shitty reason for suspicion because it's hard to pin down why I think that, but I said it before it feels like he's relying too much on his reputation for being aggressive, and not actually being aggressive.

Exactly.

The key thing to remember about Silver is that his fits feel genuine when he's town. You Syndicate folks remember his behavior in Phenom? How everyone was so sure he was town?

Is he doing that for you now? Or does he feel like he's pretending?

Long Con wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:Anyone want to buy my vote today?

First come, first served.
How much? I'll pay you a compliment for it.

I got a better offer if you're Shepherd.

DrWilgy wrote:
gfishfunk wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Gfish, how is Raven's answer ok?
How is it not?
See like colors-
Immortal_Raven wrote:
gfishfunk wrote:since everyone is silent but I can see Immortal_Raven thumbing through the thread, I thought I would move my vote to him for pressure.

Immortal_Raven, three questions:

1. Why do you think there was one kill last night rather than two? This wasn't answered

2. Who has been the scummiest this phase? This wasn't answered

3. Who has been the least scummiest this phase? This was answered but poorly.

Keep in mind, my vote in talk-incentive not hell-or-highwater lynch just yet.
Working on it. All of the color schemes for these boards are making my head hurt. Yes, I am recovering from surgery and not as lucid as I would like to be. 17 hours, 58 staples to close the wound. 2 titanium rods and 10 screws now permanently in my back all to remove a tumor about the size of a tube of toothpaste. But I digress.

1. I said there was one kill because one person died. That's math. I just don't see another attempt in the write-up. Given the game we both just played, that could be telling or not. Homie just reiterated what we knew.

2. I still don't like Epignosis but that's because I hate time-wasting. If you have pressure, best to claim and help the town move to a better lynch candidate. It's not as bad under plurality voting, but still. I don't know his rep nor do half the players here.
Other suspicions are DrWilgy for calling out your play early.
Between SVS and JoH, I believe at least one is scum. They're taking pot shots at one another outside of the main discussion. I wouldn't mind seeing more there.
Adam and Nifty are making me a bit suspicious for helping clarify my situation. I can't tell if it's courtesy for a fellow Realmser or a "I know he's not scum, I'll give a somewhat town read and look good." They're at the bottom of my suspicion list. We got a list instead of a straight answer here. What bothers me most is the fact that he has such a wide suspect range of 6 people. All reasons are vague and non convincing of belief. I think the only underspoken player on this list is Adam, idk how I feel about that.

3. Most town, gfish. Yes, I vomited a little bit there. It's too early for your power play if you're scum. I think you're like most Realms folks who will sell out if they're convinced they've caught scum. You'll probably get NKed soon, but a one for one trade in town and scum favors the town.
Fred and Dom are coming across as town reads as well. Fred for the claim and devil-may-care attitude. However, if I was going pure info dump, Fred trumps gfish slightly. This is based on infodumping with the exception of Dom who he doesn't say anything about. For Raven to go "I beleive this" when there are so many options to consider, means he isn't thinking about the alter possibilities. You said it yourself, there are 6 role blocking roles. Claiming one would be easy if you are 1 shot. It means there's no need to kill you too. Raven doesn't question this for a second.

Long Con is all over the place for me. Half his posts make me think town. Half make me think "Hmmm, good cover".
Is this the norm for Raven?

Yes.

He's capable of better but was away while I was pushing Silver, Nifty and Fred to up their games.

I think Raven should get a bit of a pass on being vague for like one or two day phases while we encourage him to give more. From there, we can see if he's really trying and is being genuine or if he's trying to skate/lie.

DrWilgy wrote: Nifty, Joh, how often does Gfish default to a bus and is it ever his first option?

Something I'd like the realms players to think about. Is the lack of role claiming when asked removing usable information?

It feels that there is a reliance upon roles happening. That info isn't usable.

He's willing to bus. It's not his first option.

I think it depends on the ruleset. In this game, no, generally not.

Yes, there is reliance. It's getting better.

sprityo wrote: SVS's logic , re: the color codes, is plausible

Yuck.

Please explain "SVS" had to say about color codes and how it makes me scum. In your own words, please.

Cause the color codes thing doesn't make sense. I want you to either double down on it, revealing your scumminess or put that vote somewhere else. I'm okay with either.

sprityo wrote:@JoH asked you a question yesterday, do you mind answering it still?

I thought I already did. Sorry if I missed it.

You said GTH, if I had to save Wigly, MP or GFish, who do I save.

Wigly.

Dom wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Hey Dom, is Raven your teammate?

Raven mentioned you once as a civ read w/o any context nor prior interaction. I'd bet afew bucks that if he's bad, you're his teammate.
i am not bad and i don't have btsc with raven.
Fredwood wrote:
Dom wrote:
Fredwood wrote: Dom - I really have no clue. The bulldoggedness about Jack's "rainbow slip" feels silly. But unless someone can tell me otherwise, it feels like tunneling and tunneling is kind of townie no? If I'm wrong let me know and I'll change my assessment on tunneling, I never really know what to make of it, INH tunneled on Diz last game and he was a neutral.
y ignore half of case?

To clarify, I'm not ignoring half the case, the fact that the whole Rainbow thing IS half your case is confusing to me. Just doesn't make much sense as a line of questioning/pressure. Jack is clearly on my ping list.
You did entirely mischaracterize what I pushed though.

I'm asking Jack to play ball on the nutella/mp issue. He reverts back to the rainbow issue time and time again. I wonder why.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Dom wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Dom wrote:gfish when did you change your vote?

jack-- wh ywon't you play ball with me?
Originally because I misunderstood your beef and thought you were being ridiculous.

Currently cause I'm at work and swamped. Also you quoted like five people and I'm on mobile.

We can play later, though.
wait you simply misunderstood my allegations on nutella/mp?
elaborate and explain pls
I misunderstood your "he didn't make a rainbow" bit.

I thought you meant you were just so sure I was lying that you knew I was lying about making a rainbow. I considered you unconvincable and thus not worth engaging.

Rather, you thought I was saying I used hexcode (or whatever it's called) to make a colored rainbow in the quickreply and you thought I wouldn't do that so you thought I was lying. You're right that I didn't do that. I understand why you even thought I was claiming that. But it's pretty obvious that I wasn't claiming that.

Was that not clear?
Answer the question asked not the one that you want to answer.

And I'm going right back to not engaging with you.

I answered your question. "No." You ask leading questions you know the answer to and then get pissy when I don't what...admit I'm scum? Annoying.

Catching up for everyone else.

Dom wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Dom wrote:gfish when did you change your vote?

jack-- wh ywon't you play ball with me?
Originally because I misunderstood your beef and thought you were being ridiculous.

Currently cause I'm at work and swamped. Also you quoted like five people and I'm on mobile.

We can play later, though.
wait you simply misunderstood my allegations on nutella/mp?
elaborate and explain pls

I misunderstood your "he didn't make a rainbow" bit.

I thought you meant you were just so sure I was lying that you knew I was lying about making a rainbow. I considered you unconvincable and thus not worth engaging.

Rather, you thought I was saying I used hexcode (or whatever it's called) to make a colored rainbow in the quickreply and you thought I wouldn't do that so you thought I was lying. You're right that I didn't do that. I understand why you even thought I was claiming that. But it's pretty obvious that I wasn't claiming that.

Was that not clear?

Dom wrote:gfish when did you change your vote?

jack-- wh ywon't you play ball with me?

Originally because I misunderstood your beef and thought you were being ridiculous.

Currently cause I'm at work and swamped. Also you quoted like five people and I'm on mobile.

We can play later, though.

@Nut

Did you ever answer my question from yesterday? Pretend it was asked in a less aggressive way.

Ebwop:

I think GFish blocked Epi. Not CBob

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