The Syndicate

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:58 pm Hyena

Jackofhearts2005

Town

Town

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:56 pm Here are the first two:

Dragon D. Luffy

DrWilgy

Town

(Sigh) Town

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:56 pm Here are the first two:

Dragon D. Luffy

DrWilgy

Town

(Sigh) Town

Yeah, let’s play GTH.

I’m kinda coming around to a town Wilgy.

Idk what I expect him to be doing as a wolf in this scenario if not fake derping.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:51 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:42 pm It just dawned to me that lynching someone in the 3-man group is considerably harder since they get to cockblock 2 other people from voting.

That includes MP, speed and hyena.
All the more reason to give me until at least tomorrow to solve the shit out of this game.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:48 pm Tony seems to be the person I've read the most convincing arguments both for and against voting today.

So much this.

Like if I don’t lynch him and he’s a wolf or if i do lynch him and he’s town, I’ll feel stupid because the answer is right in front of me.

Can we just take a poll between the towncore of DDL, Hyena, Nanook and Jack of how many townread Juliets, Tony, Speed, Wilgy and MP?

I townread Speed. I’m not confident enough by a long shot to fight for or against the others.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:39 pm Jack why do you townread speed

Everything he’s said has seemed perfectly reasonable. Generally when we mindmeld, he’s at least not a wolf.

Like at this point, I’m kinda leaning a vote for Juliets just in case Nutella gets it better than me/her D1 vote, a vote for Tony for everything surrounding the Vince claim and more of his MR interactions looking bad than good and just punting by voting Wilgy.

Or voting MP, Tony or Juliets for failing to solve in a situation where I am also failing to solve.

I could absolutely see any of my four suspects flipping town.

I just don’t know.

If I’ve incorrectly townread someone in DDL, Speed, Nanook, Hyena, I have no idea who it is.

There’s just not enough here to make a good read on two of these players and the other two are a mixed bag.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:55 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:11 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:35 pm In addition to your regular vote, everyone has a secret vote for a second lynch. Knock the virus outta here. - Very swingy. Town lynches a second person with less info, but it's uncontrolled for mafia. Doubles town offensive power, reduces accuracy, requires coordination for scum not to just control it.
All players must post (at least slightly) within character. The show must go on! - completely useless and also doesn't really have a punishment lined up? Might inhibit town posting.
With one hour remaining, all players not in the top two in vote count are eliminated from lynch contention. Two enter, one will leave. - I have no idea whether this is townsided or not, but given the false dichotomy thing that is not valuable, I lean... maybe scum? Or null.
Tag Team Fighting: At the beginning of the day, all players are placed into BTSC randomly with one other person. Teams of two share a singular vote. - not sure how this works, but it might be hard for either side to use their votes at all.
Weapons Match: In the first 24 hours of the day, everyone must choose another player. That player's vote will be worth one more. - Mafia-sided, they can double their votes, town is uncoordinated.

Maybe I'm overstating things but I think all of these are either null or they are slightly scum-sided. Scum Tony could be getting town cred for claiming this role with nothing horrible in it (like insanifications for everyone) while also not helping town much.
OR
Tony is town and is struggling to come up with ideas.

My point is that I award no points for this role. But I don't detract any either. Thoughts?
Thoughts on my Tony ISO anyone?
Yeah, my first thought upon his power claim was that none of them seem all that townsided. None of them seem that scumsided either. Not sure what his aim has been for his power use, here.
Hey, I’m tryin here. Do you wanna take a shot running this multi billion dollar company? Be my guest.

Start at 6:00

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:50 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:42 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:39 pm Okay, I’m not dying today.
I also think we’re probably going about this all wrong and we need to be considering different names. For the life of me I don’t know where to start.
What do you mean? That's yet to be determined.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:40 pm Vote: Hyena for now
I'm getting really tired of reminding people why Hyena is townread. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
I’m channeling my inner Jack. I think I know why Hyena is townread, but if you have something succinct, please give me two sentences.

You’re in the big group, with him, right?

Lol rude.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:35 pm In addition to your regular vote, everyone has a secret vote for a second lynch. Knock the virus outta here. - Very swingy. Town lynches a second person with less info, but it's uncontrolled for mafia. Doubles town offensive power, reduces accuracy, requires coordination for scum not to just control it.
All players must post (at least slightly) within character. The show must go on! - completely useless and also doesn't really have a punishment lined up? Might inhibit town posting.
With one hour remaining, all players not in the top two in vote count are eliminated from lynch contention. Two enter, one will leave. - I have no idea whether this is townsided or not, but given the false dichotomy thing that is not valuable, I lean... maybe scum? Or null.
Tag Team Fighting: At the beginning of the day, all players are placed into BTSC randomly with one other person. Teams of two share a singular vote. - not sure how this works, but it might be hard for either side to use their votes at all.
Weapons Match: In the first 24 hours of the day, everyone must choose another player. That player's vote will be worth one more. - Mafia-sided, they can double their votes, town is uncoordinated.

Maybe I'm overstating things but I think all of these are either null or they are slightly scum-sided. Scum Tony could be getting town cred for claiming this role with nothing horrible in it (like insanifications for everyone) while also not helping town much.
OR
Tony is town and is struggling to come up with ideas.

My point is that I award no points for this role. But I don't detract any either. Thoughts?
Thoughts on my Tony ISO anyone?

Yeah, my first thought upon his power claim was that none of them seem all that townsided. None of them seem that scumsided either. Not sure what his aim has been for his power use, here.

None of the POE has done anything today to make me not want to lynch them.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:17 pm Tony makes the night polls apparently. I have no reason to think that role is town or scum.

Agreed. Claim does nothing for me. Neither does Juliets’s claim to me in private.

I’m paired with Juliets and yeah she’s in my poe.

Yeah, I don’t have much trouble believing Tony and MR we’re partners.

My only hesitancy is the supposed good claim he has.

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] you should claim.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:18 pm Sorting people into don't want to vote and could vote today. There is not an order within groups:

Won't vote:
nutella
112
Hyena
MP7
LC
speedchuck
Jack (not on his anniversary even though I don't have a read on him)
DDL
MR
Nanook

Could vote:
Dr. Wilgy
Poison Chan - but probably not because he hasn't been here at all
sig
Tony

I have to go fix and eat dinner but before I go I'm putting a vote on sig.

Just....ignore that. It’s worded awkwardly.

What I mean is if the POE is MP/Tony/Juliets/Wilgy and Wilgy and MP can’t be scum together, we should lynch in Juliets or Tony.

The better Tony looks, the worse Juliets looks.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:36 am I have a hard time thinking we’re not in a world where:

Scum is outside Tony/Juliets/MP/Wilgy.
MP/Wilgy can’t be scum together.

If Tony is town, we should probably lynch Juliets.

And perhaps vice versa.

Ebwop

I have a hard time thinking we’re not in a world where:

Scum is outside Tony/Juliets/MP/Wilgy.
MP/Wilgy are scum together.

If Tony is town, we should probably lynch Juliets.

And perhaps vice versa.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:14 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:31 am I see two points in favor of him being town and I don’t really see much to suggest he’s scum.
I saw the same in his ISO, given MR was pushing a townie and not distancing.

@Jackofhearts2005 have you made a case for him being scum? If not can you do so? My apologies if I'm just not remembering it.

I haven’t. I just wanted to know why Nanook thinks he should be out of the POE.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:17 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:13 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:17 pm But this is largely hypothetical cause idk how we kill outside of those three today tbh
I don't think Tony or Juliets are off the menu.
I mean they are today, for me. If chuck flips town I’ll reconsider then, cause I think you’re probably right that both lurkers being mafia is less likely. Like it’s not impossible but it’s unlikely enough for me to reconsider Tony/Jules after killing the correct lurker.

Sell me on Tony as a townie.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:17 pm But this is largely hypothetical cause idk how we kill outside of those three today tbh

I don't think Tony or Juliets are off the menu.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:55 pm I’m disagreeing with the last part of what Jack is saying but neither of us are particularly serious.

And I think my character can be inferred. Not saying more than that.

Then you don’t lose anything by just claiming.

[mention]M Plus 7[/mention]

Analysis of Juliets, Tony and Wilgy is most helpful.

I’d be loathe to lynch outside that POE plus you today.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:16 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:43 pm Consider if Sloonei is the type of player to watch teammate Radish get blasted and teammate Nutella or MP get hanged up on and then replace out after a few posts.

I don’t think he is. A Nutella/Sloonei lynch is similar to a Nutella/Juliets lynch. It’s unlikely to catch two wolves. More likely to catch one even if we’re wrong on our main suspect.

I do think Sloonei is more likely a wolf than Juliets if Nutella is town so there’s that.
Jack, can you expand on this logic for me?

Like in that scenario, replacing out is close to throwing. Lots of others disagree with that.

I no longer think Sloonei/you are more likely scum than Juliets. It’s about the same.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:25 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:13 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:12 am I will say at least one of Juliets or MP should be a wolf based on wagonomics.
Ie five townie didn’t vote Sig while 3 votes were on a wolf.
How do you feel about this now?

Still feel the same. But I have to consider if I’m wrong, my other suspects were completely absent.

A scum say, Speedchuck, might be more likely to bus if his other teammate was inactive.

Still feel like it’s probably two of you, Juliets, Tony, Wilgy and are least one of Juliets/Tony.

I’m just gonna continue to work in Juliets, Tony, MP, Wilgy.

Especially Juliets and Tony due to higher content and lack of antialignment, even though I kinda suck at reading them both. I’m okay at finding town Tony.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:10 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:05 am I’m with Doc Wilgy today. Brings back memories of Mass Effect.

First game I ever played with Nutella.

Really fun game.
Nah? We were at least both in Phenon which was before that.

Maybe I didn’t really pay attention to you in Phenon.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:42 pm The nanook case at this point would boil down mostly to MR interactions. It's not really a strong case because of meta, as much as I find his entire playstyle to be anti-town. "I'm town, but I don't hunt until D3, I focus on lurkers, and I make fun of town for their failures. That's just how I am."

I'd question how we had an entirely-town wagon on nanook D1 if he's a paragon of towniness, but all the people who voted him are dead, so we can't ask them.

On the good points side, I don't see much malice in nanook's constant tunneling of me. Tunneling is usually a town feature, particularly in players I get frustrated with, like nutella. His ISO didn't look horrible when I went through it, aside from the aforementioned things.

I particularly like Nanook’s reaction to MR’s death. Felt real. Felt town minded.

*if his teammate

Thought: MR also used his fake news to say that Tony was suspicious.

Suppose Radishes and Tony are both wolves and this was a bus. Would this still happen his his teammate was Poison?

Thought: For Wilgy’s derpclear to be fake, he probably has to be teamed with a player who is active enough to tell him that Radishes was shot. So it’s unlikely Wilgy+MP.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:05 am I’m with Doc Wilgy today. Brings back memories of Mass Effect.

First game I ever played with Nutella.

Really fun game.

I got the joke cause I am very smart.

RIP Long Con.

I'm a tad bit annoyed that MP and Nutella found reasons that seemed stupid to me (MP even calling my take "fair enough") that allowed them to correctly identify each other as town when I couldn't. Not as annoyed as I am that I put the final nails in MP's coffin and then realized I had fucked it up before the deadline but after anything could be done about it.

I don't like the idea that I should try to read Nutella more off meta than content because I feel like changing meta you're perfectly aware of should be easy. (I've been waiting for Creature to just post more and act annoyed as a wolf, for instance.) I may just discard my master Nutella reader license.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:31 am Third, Jack, the hell? I get not derpclearing me as that would be silly, but your opposition to the derpclear resulted in you not even trying to interacting with me. I've taken multiple other stances and you didn't even review or discuss with me.

Others were saying you were mechanic cleared. Is that giving you some sort of power trip?

No, not being around nuch at the same time and your reads either being similar to mine or being on dead people resulted in me not even trying to interact with you.

By all means, let's talk. The more you post, the better I am at reading you.

How cool would it have been if it was Nutella/MP and we had just won, right? That would have been great.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:20 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:13 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:37 pm Although

Idk actually town replacing into a scum slot is kinda

Fuck me now I have to actually think about the game

I still blame jack
The MP lynch is 100% my fault. Nutella can bear some of the blame for her own lynch, as can some other players. We shouldn't have lynched MP at all though.
Dislike. Hyena's case is what put MP into the lynchlight.

But I put him in the ground and I specifically had a great reason not to.

Oh well. Can't always make good plays.

I'm not really changing any of my townreads based off Radishes interactions and mindmelds.

So....my best guess is Juliets and either Wilgy or Tony. I'll read/reread the backhalf of Day 1 knowing Sig/Nutella/MP/MR's alignments before the nk.

I also need to think up some jokes for my news report.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:37 pm Although

Idk actually town replacing into a scum slot is kinda

Fuck me now I have to actually think about the game

I still blame jack

The MP lynch is 100% my fault. Nutella can bear some of the blame for her own lynch, as can some other players. We shouldn't have lynched MP at all though.

Well I guess that works out.

It's okay. If I can get enough people suspecting me (or bad enough reads), maybe I live through the night.

Option 1 is hilarious and actually some benefits like passing off cop checks.

Option 2 you just have to have a townie promise to go with majority, which is basically regular mafia with extra steps.

In b4 Nutella flips 3rd party again.

It's too late now but MP voted me after Radishes was shot.

Linki: Juliets has the same marvelous tone regardless of alignment. She's somewhat leadable as a townie so when people accuse her of being "not impactful" it doesn't necessarily make her scum. She's really hard to read imo. Like I caught her one game and then turned around and let her pocket me the next.

I'm an idiot. MP had a better derpclear than Wilgy.

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