The Syndicate

So I haven’t caught up. Seems like people think Goru is lying now. I’m sure there’s a good reason for that.

I’m skeptical of there being any good reason to suspect Guillo. Borderline my top town. Maybe my actual top town depending on who died last night as I’ve forgotten.

Sorry. Thought the day ended later than it did.

I hate seemers. Think this was the correct choice, though. Mostly based on “could newbie Baby Yoda pull this fake off as a wolf? Probably not.”

Good luck with the soup. I’m the real ghost Spidey noir.

This is just champs finale again.

Who knows who the real joat/cop is?

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:48 pm I don't care if you think I'm bussing in so long as you flip gtogu first

Relatable.

I want to believe because it means my logic on voting Baby Yoda was totally right AND I read you right when others didn’t.

LordQuas wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:47 pm how u doin jack btw

i have a gut read that you're town

Tired but good.

I have a gut read that you’re 3P.

Quas I was serious about my townread on Seanzie.

*shuffles foot*

Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:35 pm I don’t like anything Star Wars except Timothy Zahn books.

Spoiler: show
Isn't Thrawn cannon again?

He is.

I’m kinda in love with with the old W95 game TIE Fighter and he was the man you could trust.

See how we went from cover to getting reactions? That’s my pov coming in and ruining things.

Idk I never give cover.

Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:38 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:34 pm I just think “weird” comes in two flavors and I’m struggling to justify it as scum flavored weird.

Like say Chard is scum. The most logical explanation is they are treading water/doing a townie looking thing by faking a red peek soft that they are never gonna follow through on. Which means it doesn’t really say anything about Gru’s alignment.

Say Chard is town. They’re laying down actual cop cover. Does their reasoning make sense?
No. Why not offer cop cover by green checking a player? You are more likely to be correct than a red peek. Also doesn’t cause a unnecessary death.

Because a green check doesn’t get you reactions.

I don’t like anything Star Wars except Timothy Zahn books.

Spoiler: show

I just think “weird” comes in two flavors and I’m struggling to justify it as scum flavored weird.

Like say Chard is scum. The most logical explanation is they are treading water/doing a townie looking thing by faking a red peek soft that they are never gonna follow through on. Which means it doesn’t really say anything about Gru’s alignment.

Say Chard is town. They’re laying down actual cop cover. Does their reasoning make sense?

It’s cold without my blanket of votes to keep me warm.

Yeah, my earlier tinfoil on Kza was rly dumb.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:08 pm Chardonnay

So convinced Grogu is mafia they fake a red check and hold it for so long the real cop outs

Votes Seanzie and not Grogu
Now that you mention it, this makes a lot of sense. Just looking at the most recent page of Chard's ISO, he spent the last 50 posts talking about how scummy Grogu is. An hour ago he voted Jack, then once Jack's wagon started dying down, he voted me...

[VOTE: Chard] aubergine

But like is the argument that Chard wanted to bus Gru and now wants to save him? That sounds dumber out loud.

I just wanna point out that my reasoning for locking Nutella in as town is excellent and also, my case against her as a wolf is super smart and tbh you’re all lucky to have me.

LordQuas wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:10 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:08 pm Chardonnay

So convinced Grogu is mafia they fake a red check and hold it for so long the real cop outs

Votes Seanzie and not Grogu

I’m like “yeah, that’s right” but I’m also like “this shit doesn’t fit with my worldview.”
theres some very obvious joke potential here

Something something antifa.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:11 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:10 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:08 pm Chardonnay

So convinced Grogu is mafia they fake a red check and hold it for so long the real cop outs

Votes Seanzie and not Grogu

I’m like “yeah, that’s right” but I’m also like “this shit doesn’t fit with my worldview.”
Probably makes it more correct

Idk. Like yes but also I don’t feel like this like of thinking catches wolves as often as it catches culture clash.

I should probably ISO Chard cause my read on them went like

Null -> strong town -> huuuuurr

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:08 pm Chardonnay

So convinced Grogu is mafia they fake a red check and hold it for so long the real cop outs

Votes Seanzie and not Grogu

I’m like “yeah, that’s right” but I’m also like “this shit doesn’t fit with my worldview.”

Actually, yeah, that Seanzie joke post is hella pure.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:04 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:03 pm grogu/sean/i still think epi, maybe chard
Would you like some RANCH with that SALAD

Gottem. Gg, night howlers.

LordQuas wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:01 pm psure its at least 2/3 seanzie/grogu/chardonnay

maybe jack as well but i've seen him be belligerent town when he subs in and flail at town leaders too many times to feel good about killing him

not exaggerating i think thats his standard town play tactic

Idk what to say to this lol

Who was Chard on before?

LordQuas wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:58 pm is there any reason guillo has been called towny? i saw i think nutella say his role is town but can anyone else confirm that for me

Guillo’s push on Nutella looked super townie regardless of Nutella’s alignment.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:51 pm Jack I'm flipping through your iso and it is largely fluff/NAI stuff. I just don't see what's so obviously townie about you. Nothing much that's inherently scummy - definitely could paint a narrative if I wanted to but nothing too blatant - but nothing that makes me stop and reconsider right now.

Actual opinion townie MR has about his top scumread.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:55 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:55 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:54 pm Seanzie just rocketed past Jack for me on the scum list
Convenient.
This sassy snappy Jack doesn't sound like the town Jack I know either.

So try and chop me, fuzzball.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:54 pm Seanzie just rocketed past Jack for me on the scum list

Convenient.

It’s seriously just Gru/Radish/Nutella.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:44 pm You’re claiming Nutella should be in the towncore because her actions lead to wolf deaths. I’m saying that’s incorrect and I question the truthfulness of that assertion.
I never said nutella 'caught wolves' I said she has been part of a town team that has caught wolves and she has, in indirect but still essential ways, contributed to that.

I am not saying she is 100% lock town. But you haven't presented a case on her. You've just expressed uncertainty. Well, it's noted.

I'm not reconsidering Nutella yet. I'll do that when we, like, flip a townie today and next day and I start to worry something's wrong. I'm not doing that when after three rounds we've flipped 2 of 5 wolves that we need to and still have numbers on our side despite a soup kill (which, btw, failed at first in a way that points away from nutella and towards a team not paying close enough attention).

If Nutella flips wolf, you’re next.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:45 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:43 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:42 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:40 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:38 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:34 pm

Just waiting for people to actually read the thread or until the deadline.

I repeat, I’m not getting chopped today.
If you're implying a claim just be aware I will not be here for the last 3ish hours of the round so my vote won't be moving after that.
Then you should reevaluate before then, shouldn’t you?

Again, what wolf did Nutella help catch?
What wolf did you help catch?
Michelle.

But that doesn’t answer my question.
You didn't do anything to catch Michelle. You subbed in and voted alongside many other people and said 'yeah I see it too'.

You’re still not addressing the point I’m making. What’s the issue?

If I had the ability to make today’s chop me or Nutella, I’d do it in a heartbeat.

You’re claiming Nutella should be in the towncore because her actions lead to wolf deaths. I’m saying that’s incorrect and I question the truthfulness of that assertion.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:42 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:40 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:38 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:34 pm

Just waiting for people to actually read the thread or until the deadline.

I repeat, I’m not getting chopped today.
If you're implying a claim just be aware I will not be here for the last 3ish hours of the round so my vote won't be moving after that.
Then you should reevaluate before then, shouldn’t you?

Again, what wolf did Nutella help catch?
What wolf did you help catch?

Michelle.

But that doesn’t answer my question.

I’d prefer Goru or Nutella but in a pinch, Seanzie will work as cw. Like, I don’t have any good reason to trust him.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:38 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:34 pm

Just waiting for people to actually read the thread or until the deadline.

I repeat, I’m not getting chopped today.
If you're implying a claim just be aware I will not be here for the last 3ish hours of the round so my vote won't be moving after that.

Then you should reevaluate before then, shouldn’t you?

Again, what wolf did Nutella help catch?

You can call me a wolf all you like but it won’t change the outcome.

You run this simulation a hundred times and I’ll never swing.

Anyone voting for me can believe me now or see for themselves later.

Just waiting for people to actually read the thread or until the deadline.

I repeat, I’m not getting chopped today.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:13 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:04 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:03 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:16 pm Here’s my spicy take tho.

Nutella has made no attempt at all to read me or Epi all game, the two players she claims to suspect most.

Seriously. Look at her posts. Do you see someone trying to figure out someone else’s alignment? I don’t. What I do see is someone who wants Goru alive at the end of the day. That’s extra sus if Goru is a wolf.

I think Chard is town. He feels too comfortable to be a wolf unless the other wolves are some really weird couple like 112 and Quas and that’s just generally unlikely.

Mac’s “you got got, nerd” is fine. Wrongtown Mac would say something like that. Still a pretty solid townread.

Kza’s read on me is problematic but there’s enough reason to townread him besides that he’s probably just wrongtown.

I’m not sure on Radishes. Nothing he’s saying pings me as dishonest per se but Radishes is generally good at reading me and it’s concerning that he’s so wrong. New players incorrectly suspecting me? Normal. Nutella or Mac incorrectly suspecting me? Super normal. Radishes incorrectly suspecting me tends not to happen. Twice in recent history, he’s been arguably my strongest supporter while I was a consensus suspect and he was totally right to peg me as a townie. Heck, one of those games involved “weird interactions” between WMichelle and TJack D1 ending with a D1 WMichelle yeet. So why is town Radishes off? But I don’t see anything blatantly dishonest so idk. Conflicted. He can stay in the poe.
I agree with you on Nutella. Kinda meh on your townread on Mac just for that? KZA is tinfoiling but I townread him. Radishes has his moments of mud and clarity, there are some posts I've really liked from him. I don't know about Chard, but if Nutella is wolf then I think Chard is spewed town, I explained why in my nutella iso read.
I've also been getting some weird pings from Nutella. I don't really blame people for having me in the PoE since I'm probably null to most, but Nutella has kind of pushed on me in ways that feel less than genuine. Super heavy posting I think is a common thing good wolves do to get townread, and I worry that a lot of people have Nutella on their towny side because of this, not because Nutella is actually doing much that is towny.
Nah. I have Nutella in my towncore because of *how* they went about solving in D1/D2. They had that solving spark that felt like they were genuinely hunting. We mindmelded in real time at least once, and in general her view is my view of the game as a whole.

I agree she's lagged behind recently in the sense that she's rolling with the momentum of the game, but also the momentum has led to hits, so I'm doing the same and so is my strongest townread Kaz.

I can nitpick things, like her overall progression on Michelle. And if we inch towards end game and struggle to flip the final wolves, I'll definitely be re-evaluating her first before Kaz or Made (my other strong townreads).

But so far the Town, as a whole, has done a solid job finding the scum team, and I see no reason to start becoming paranoid about a key member of that successful Town at this moment in time.

Which hits do you credit Nutella for?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:58 pm How about I promise to actually iso you instead of coasting by on impressions before EoD.

Sure.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:40 pm Or (D) maybe I'm on a mission to prove you're choppable.

Which would be scummy af. Gottem.

Baby Yoda/Nutella/Radishes.

You’re welcome, hee hos.

Actually, Radish calling me “blendy” could qualify as “blatantly dishonest.”

If anything, I’m playing devil’s advocate and refusing to play along with gambits. That’s the opposite of blending.

Here’s my spicy take tho.

Nutella has made no attempt at all to read me or Epi all game, the two players she claims to suspect most.

Seriously. Look at her posts. Do you see someone trying to figure out someone else’s alignment? I don’t. What I do see is someone who wants Goru alive at the end of the day. That’s extra sus if Goru is a wolf.

I think Chard is town. He feels too comfortable to be a wolf unless the other wolves are some really weird couple like 112 and Quas and that’s just generally unlikely.

Mac’s “you got got, nerd” is fine. Wrongtown Mac would say something like that. Still a pretty solid townread.

Kza’s read on me is problematic but there’s enough reason to townread him besides that he’s probably just wrongtown.

I’m not sure on Radishes. Nothing he’s saying pings me as dishonest per se but Radishes is generally good at reading me and it’s concerning that he’s so wrong. New players incorrectly suspecting me? Normal. Nutella or Mac incorrectly suspecting me? Super normal. Radishes incorrectly suspecting me tends not to happen. Twice in recent history, he’s been arguably my strongest supporter while I was a consensus suspect and he was totally right to peg me as a townie. Heck, one of those games involved “weird interactions” between WMichelle and TJack D1 ending with a D1 WMichelle yeet. So why is town Radishes off? But I don’t see anything blatantly dishonest so idk. Conflicted. He can stay in the poe.

And if anyone bothers to read my iso instead of the incredibly tired “I don’t know what I’m doing so I’ll just default to suspecting Jack” strategy that literally never works, it’ll be really clear that I’m town here.

Spoiler alert: I’m not getting chopped today.

Pretending to fake peeks for cover is generally not something I see wolves doing very often.

So chances are, most if not everyone who faked a red on Goru is town, which makes Goru statistically more likely to be scum.

And if you were gonna do what Chard or Mac or Kza did as a wolf? Probably cause Goru is your teammate.

Multiple choice reasoning for Goru being the right chop.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:23 am
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:08 am
chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:06 am
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:55 am I feel like Chardonnay might actually be Mafia. I don't really get why he's claiming he did "obvious cop cover". Who were you trying to cover for?
I thought making a hard low info push that was out of character for my more laid back nature would make it look like a cop soft.

SO then i could draw mafia away from cop hunting elsewhere.
yeah I don't really know you and had this idea that someone else would have to be scumreading Grogu hard but then I was like nah...he can pick his own soft target
tbh i felt like i struck gold with the Grogu push when several other people were pushing it shortly after. Made me feel like the Noir has check Goru last night and got a guilty. lol

I still think Grogu is scummy tho. Im just having a hard time writing out a meaningful explanation.

-/-/--

pre-edit

This whole cop cover thing that happened today makes me want to run a roster wide "Hypocop" WHere everybody outs there hypotical results if they the were the cop. Could be fun and useful since cop chould have 3 results to share. THoughts?

The idea that everyone who isn’t the cop fakes red peeks on the same player as cover for each other while each thinks one of the other players faking the peek is telling the truth is hilarious and I hope that isn’t what happened.

But even if it is, that doesn’t make Goru town.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:44 am seanzie and jack are both mafia

Then I guess you should try to yeet Seanzie.

Spoiler: show

Yeah I stand by that vote. If nothing else, it’s a good POE yeet.

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:04 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:02 pm seanzie is mafia and has tmi on grogu town
what if Jack is Mafia and has TMI on Grogu town

What if we’re both wolves and I’ve been defending him?

This game is like the sequel to champs.

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