The Syndicate

Also, if you're going to limit your post count and ignore questions because of it, using one of them to tease a fake hot take is lame and borderline antitown.

*not genuinely trying

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:55 am also "civilian quin" does whatever the bobba he wants as observed in literally every town game he's ever played on the syndicate

Right? This is the main reason I'm not moved by any case on Quin.

The worst I can say about him is that he's tone pinging me a little earlier than usual. The accusations of genuinely trying to read people on Day 0? Weak.

I'm actually okay with Mac (old buddy old pal let me pocket you eh?) doing it cause I think it fits Mac's style but I don't see where Jimmy is coming from. I guess Jimmy is a at-the-wall thrower in the vein of Sloonei and MP but with his self imposed restriction, the weak case on Quin becomes a large part of Jimmy's content and paints him in a bad light. Hard to not be disappointed but the important part is if the root cause of Jimmy's overall posting being disappointing because he's not giving the 110% I'm used to or because he's bad.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:49 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:15 am TonyStarkPrime appeared, made four posts in response to things in this thread, and none of them contained reads. I am outraged.

JaggedJimmyJay is bad.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:50 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:20 pm Hey dudes... I read page 1 and page 9. Did I miss anything important?

Not really.

Generally, do you think Made puking out unsubstantiated reads early on is alignment indicative?

You didn't find any of the reads being made between page 2 and 8 useful? What's your win con?

They're a part of a whole. I found a lot of individual accusations to be unconvincing but I'm not writing them off. LC can.

[mention]Kylemii[/mention]

Tony's from the same home forum as ColonialBob, Malakim, Silver Lantern, Fredwood and me. He's a good egg. Even headed. Esp good with role madness or small closed power setups.

Readability for me is Silver>Fred>Tony>Mal>Bob so fairly good.

Idk. [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] are you good at reading me? I feel like your baseline is to just read me more town than the average Syndicate player does.



Played with Glor before but he's too quiet for me to get him. Played with Mac. He looks like good Mac to me but then again, I'm not sure I've played with bad Mac. Maybe a bit more serious than I've seen previously but I don't take that as scum indicative.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:20 pm Hey dudes... I read page 1 and page 9. Did I miss anything important?

Not really.

Generally, do you think Made puking out unsubstantiated reads early on is alignment indicative?

[mention]Sloonei[/mention]

Not sure. I sent him a message just in case. He's been around this week.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:58 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:50 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:48 pm Mac, what is your read of quin?

His reaction to the initial suspicion of him was fairly ambiguous. His lack of genuine townlike play is alarming. I have him as my biggest scumread.

lack of genuine townlike play, huh

I see less overtly civilian inspiration in you than I'd expect from 40+ Day 0 posts.

What means this?

Your Morpheusing?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:55 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:21 pm MacDougall is a civilian because he just explained the orange names in my rainbow list for me, with pretty much the same rationale, without me having to explain them myself.

Did I? Where did I do that?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:52 pm Dave
Jackofhearts2005
nutella
Quin

Click spoiler:

Spoiler: show

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:52 pm Have felt pings from Dave, Quin and Nutella. Will explain them in a future post.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:43 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:02 pm oh hey guys

most of the people who have posted so far look civ so far, but then most of them are the people who always look civ to me. Sloonei's alternate interpretation of Quin is interesting though and Quin is someone I'm always waffly on.

Made is zany as usual. Not sure what he's on about but I think he's just being Made.

Out of the so-far-civ-reads I think my strongest 3 are Sloonei, Kyle, and Jack. They're safe from my D1 vote at this point unless something changes.

oh and welcome new people! I'm getting tired of reading posts from the same 6-7 people so let's see some thoughts k

Interesting that you hen picked who to make reads on/comment on after starting the post like you were about to skim read everybody.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:09 pm

Dave wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:02 pm although i m new to format and lack knowledge of mortal kombat i voted for outworld too as it makes sense as explained by jay, given current scum reads i dont have one i see dat people sus quin but i have to read more from him to give a verdict

So Dave's only made this one post. I've got zero meta on this guy as I've never played with him and I do have a history of getting pinged by people incorrectly and given it's just one post it's probably a relatively meaningless ping. I simply don't like that he justified his vote for Outworld as simply as deferring to Jay's explanation, which was actually a relatively decent justification and that is not what I am calling into question, I just doubt the sincerity of Dave's belief in Jimmy being an adequate reason to vote.

Also it has a bit of a tone of a forced introductory post. Those more familiar with this Dave can comment on what his town intro posts are generally like or Dave is like in general.

And the Quin/Jack suspicion is just kinda assumed.

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:32 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:15 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:14 pm
Yes, you and Made. For different reasons though. I still have to reread the thread to get a more clear image.

In what ways do we stand out?

Don't let my constant questions interfere with your efforts to read the thread. Do what you gotta do and get back to me when you're comfortable.

Him jumping on you and suspecting of being an Indie stood out for me. He didn't really give any reason, maybe he was half-serious and it was just a hunch. But he started avoiding your questions.

You, because of your Town read on him. I don't see where that came from. And it happened directly after him suspecting you and avoiding your questions.

Civve af

Or at least not w/w with you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:42 pm @MacDougall

Pick out a baddie and I'll help you lynch them.

Sick buddying.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention]

Pick out a baddie and I'll help you lynch them.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:26 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:18 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:17 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:18 am Quin do you consider yourself to be a primary suspect?

I do wonder what the point of this question was. Didn't get much out of the Kylemii read otherwise. Tone-wise he's meta town.

Tone-wise, Kyle is always town.

I see a trend here. I think we need to play more mafia games, you guys.

But yeah, I basically agree with this evaluation of Kyle. Dunya seemed to think he wouldn't shine so much as a scummer.

I actually want to come back to this statement.... Jack what gives you in particular this impression of me?

Pirates mafia was probably my weakest town game of all time, and the only reason I had town credit in mountains mafia was that I had a highly public civ role and a distinctive typing style that I didn't manage to hide well enough.

I also haven't had a mafia role on this website in recent history so it seems strange to make this generalization about my tone.

You made lots of mistakes in Pirates. Like several I would normally want to push for a mislynch over yet when I looked around for who I could frame, I didn't think I could pull it off. You just seemed so darn genuine.

I later had a conversation about this with Dunya in Mountains. With shine with genuineness.

I actually don't see it here. Cause you're "mean now."

Not sure is bad Kyle is meaner tho.

That said

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention]

Gimmie a read on somebody.

I'm not really giving Made any townie cred for being brave and sharing reads. Way I see it, anyone can throw out reads based on nothing and do a combination of refusing to answer questions about reads and walking them back.

I don't know Made well enough to say this is normal or this is suspicious but I can't see how anyone could give him townie cred for it.

I shouldn't up and announce these as they come to me.

First possible tell: Jimmy is more likely to tunnel on me early as town than pretend to do so as mafia. (Sample size is 2.)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:39 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:14 pm Jimmy, what do you look like when you're bad? You maintain that Epi catching you in Mountains was broken clocking, yeah?

I'm not sure what you mean by "broken clocking". He caught me legitimately in that game. Perhaps I was hindered by finals week in my graduate courses from posting as much as usual, but that's a lame excuse. I'll give you some other recent examples:

Transistor

Currents

Phenon: Origins

Now your assignment is to tell me what this means to you and what you will be doing with it moving forward.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. ie the arguement against you was crap but just happened to allow for the correct conclusion.

(Example: Dom being sure I was bad in Mass Effect because he didn't believe I tried to make a rainbow list without hitting the preview/edit button.)

You were Bravo is Phenon, right?

I have this idea that if I see a player as town enough and as scum enough, I'll be able to tell what alignment they are now. I think I've seen bad Jimmy just once and it was some weird timing for you irl.

Doesn't mean nothing to me yet cause I haven't read the games. I expect that going forward, I will come up with some possible tells for you that may or may not be credible due to low sample size. We'll see.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:40 pmL'Arachel is best princess wandering hero. I think Ephraim married Tana in my game, though.

Not supporting Cormag with Tana to make the flying dream team. Tsk tsk.

I was 15.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:32 pm i will say that at the very fucking least made seems to be playing vastly different than he did in vocaroo mafia

You're cursing a lot for a Kyle.

What's the difference?

Once upon a time, Shredder wanted to take over the world so he sent a bad guy name Shang Two Sun and some other people to take over early by having a martial arts tournament.

They fought Japanese Thor, Jackie Chan, Nicholas Cage, some special forces people and the super gangsters they were after and a random cop. In the end, after several gruesome battles to the death with people decapitating each other or ripping out each other's hearts or spines, Shung Two Sun retreated with zero casualties to his faction, leaving zero of his opponents dead. In all the confusion, a yellow ninja named Scorpion killed a blue ninja named Sub Zero. Sub Zero's ghost turned into a black ninja and started calling himself a Noob and his little brother became the new Blue Sub Zero.

This trend continued for a couple games, with more and more characters (generally different colored ninjas but also Oddjob) showing up for gruesome battles to the death where nobody actually dies and everyone's moves are basically the same.

Then the series went 3D, gave everyone unique movesets and way better gameplay. This made fans angry because fans are stupid.

In the 3D games, Shang Two Sung and Kratos teamed up for a Deadly Alliance (tm) and killed off Jackie Chan. Then they went ahead and killed off everybody else, even Prince Purple Rain.

So the newest MK game has Thor use his time travel lighting to go back to the first game and save everybody but instead, pretty much everybody died again and this time it only took one game.

Earthrealm is just Earth. Outworld is just Dimension X. I'm not sure what the rest of those realms are. I don't remember them being in any of the games.

Okay so Made.

Iirc, there have been games where players were like "Made is obviously X" and I'm like "Eh. I could kinda see it" and he did turn out to be X. So he's kinda easy to read but we just haven't played together a lot.

My reaction to his posts is "He is making jokes I don't get." What does ask Kyle and Speedchuck gets it suppose to mean?

I'm not really moved by his early accusation. It was just kinda there. He's done this before as a baddie. I kinda remember him being on the passive side as a good guy.

Gth bad but I want him to talk about the problem posts more than I actually think he's bad.

"I guess you can stay at our house since your a dragon who ran out of turnintoadragon stone."

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:18 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:17 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:18 am Quin do you consider yourself to be a primary suspect?

I do wonder what the point of this question was. Didn't get much out of the Kylemii read otherwise. Tone-wise he's meta town.

Tone-wise, Kyle is always town.

I see a trend here. I think we need to play more mafia games, you guys.

But yeah, I basically agree with this evaluation of Kyle. Dunya seemed to think he wouldn't shine so much as a scummer.

Jack what games have we played together in? I remember Chicka Chicka and Pirates for sure but was there anything else I was in that you played or maybe read along with?,

Mountains.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:29 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:27 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:09 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:55 pm I like your chocobo avatar, Speed.

Thanks! I'm glad you like it. Slight correction on what it is, though.

Rockin. That looks exactly my style, though I still haven't finished Mario 64.


RE: Quin

I always think Quin is bad, usually around Day 4. I may or may not become utterly convinced of his townieness on Day 1 or 2 but it doesn't matter. I will be convinced he is bad around Day 4.

90% of this game's content is from or about Quin. Let's talk about someone I have a better chance of reading.

I like your new avatar too. Dig the animation.

How about Made? We're all talking about Made right now. And Sloonei.

linki:

Thank you. It's a modified crit animation of the best Fire Emblem character who by the way doesn't pick fights he can't win and is definitely not dating his sister. Disgusting.


Talk about Made in a sec. Switching devices.

i'm sorry but if you aren't getting that A support with L'Arachel you're playing it wrong

L'Arachel is best princess wandering hero. I think Ephraim married Tana in my game, though.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:09 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:55 pm I like your chocobo avatar, Speed.

Thanks! I'm glad you like it. Slight correction on what it is, though.

Rockin. That looks exactly my style, though I still haven't finished Mario 64.


RE: Quin

I always think Quin is bad, usually around Day 4. I may or may not become utterly convinced of his townieness on Day 1 or 2 but it doesn't matter. I will be convinced he is bad around Day 4.

90% of this game's content is from or about Quin. Let's talk about someone I have a better chance of reading.

I like your new avatar too. Dig the animation.

How about Made? We're all talking about Made right now. And Sloonei.

linki:

Thank you. It's a modified crit animation of the best Fire Emblem character who by the way doesn't pick fights he can't win and is definitely not dating his sister. Disgusting.


Talk about Made in a sec. Switching devices.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:16 pm I'm bad 100% of the time on MafiaUniverse, 1% of the time anywhere else.

See? The problem is sample size.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:40 pm I have a town read on Made. Who agrees/disagrees?

I hesitate. One of his earliest Vocaroo 2 moves was to voice suspicion of me, an early vocal presence. One of his earliest Mortal Kombat moves has now been to voice suspicion of you, an early vocal presence (if I am correctly interpreting a pinkish red color to be a negative thing, or an "independent" read to indicate that you don't look like a civilian to him).

What was his alignment in Vocaroo 2?

Vocaroo is like "record yourself saying a thing and post the recording" mafia right?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:17 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:18 am Quin do you consider yourself to be a primary suspect?

I do wonder what the point of this question was. Didn't get much out of the Kylemii read otherwise. Tone-wise he's meta town.

Tone-wise, Kyle is always town.

I see a trend here. I think we need to play more mafia games, you guys.

But yeah, I basically agree with this evaluation of Kyle. Dunya seemed to think he wouldn't shine so much as a scummer.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:09 pm Also, Sloonei is a lock civilian and I'm done sorting his alignment for the remainder of the game.

Sloonei needs to be mafia at some point so I can actually understand his playstyle instead of just going "Sloonei looks like town to me, as usual." (except when we're tunneling on different players and I get to tinfoiling that he's defending my bad suspects to go after his bad suspects but that only happened once)

Or I could just go reread Champs 2016 and find out what I missed.

[/borderline OT] [/overly meta]

[overly meta]

Jimmy, what do you look like when you're bad? You maintain that Epi catching you in Mountains was broken clocking, yeah?

[counting down the seconds until someone decides this kinda thing makes me bad]

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:55 pm I like your chocobo avatar, Speed.

Thanks! I'm glad you like it. Slight correction on what it is, though.

Rockin. That looks exactly my style, though I still haven't finished Mario 64.


RE: Quin

I always think Quin is bad, usually around Day 4. I may or may not become utterly convinced of his townieness on Day 1 or 2 but it doesn't matter. I will be convinced he is bad around Day 4.

90% of this game's content is from or about Quin. Let's talk about someone I have a better chance of reading.

I like your chocobo avatar, Speed.

I say we lynch Quin now so I don't have room to tunnel on him later.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:07 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:49 pm I'm yellow now? Cool.

It says here you're out host.

I never win the games a host.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:29 am In this case the poll is worded for travel; we're literally visitng a realm. In that regard the flavor might be awkward alongside my theory. That these visitations occur in a specific order though suggests to me that we'll find our way to each of them eventually. In the event that this somehow provides a benefit to the Outworld, it may be better still to ensure that is covered earlier than later.

This is my exact reasoning for my Outworld vote. Give the baddies a bonus on D1 when it matters least.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:46 am

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:44 am Hi friends
Glhf!

Voting Quin for now, but that might change as the day goes on depending on how he responds to arguments against him.

Made is town because he's doesn't give a shit about being accused of opportunism.

Jimmy wasn't kidding when he said he was gonna half ass this game I see.

I'm yellow now? Cool.