The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:24 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:19 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:15 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:33 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:29 am Acts like I’m going to kill him for suspecting me makes it look like he knows I’m town.
Explain this.
Cause why would I kill you if I was scum? You look worse than I do. I’d need to mislynch you.
First off I take offense to that. You look plenty bad.

Secondly I still don't know how that makes me look like I know you're town.
Tell me why DDL was lynched.
Because you distanced from him early like you do in every game and then LITERALLY NOTHING ELSE happened all day. Which you complained about. It left you and DDL as the only remaining points of interest.

I was a scummate of yours in SHP. I'm not giving you any credit for this lynch.

Cause I distanced? Read it again.

DDL got lynched for fake casing me.

I distanced from you in SHP, partly because Jay was all over both of us and partly because you and Luna had scum equity and Luna looked bad too.

I didn’t distance from DDL here. He suicided against me. It started with DDL against me, not the other way around.

Besides, do you know how exhausting it is to get a mafia win while alone for most the game? It is not my favorite thing to do.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:15 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:33 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:29 am Acts like I’m going to kill him for suspecting me makes it look like he knows I’m town.
Explain this.
Cause why would I kill you if I was scum? You look worse than I do. I’d need to mislynch you.
First off I take offense to that. You look plenty bad.

Secondly I still don't know how that makes me look like I know you're town.

Tell me why DDL was lynched.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:59 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:32 am Jack is still bad IMO
see? They're bussing each other

There aren’t even 3 scum in this game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:17 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:17 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:17 am I gave sabie a one shot lie detection. Yes it's awfully convenient. C'est la vie. I thought she was under the radar enough to avoid being shit and looked good from day one.

I have left a one shot vanilla detection and a one night btsc.

I claimed because apparently I was in a small POE so I figured by claiming it'd clear things up but apparently people believe I'd make this shit up on day 2 rather than just play normally. It is whatever.

Good guess at who I'd give an invention to.
I’d believe you if Sabie hadn’t died.

I don’t think scum kills Sabie to try to spike an inventor claim.

Assumes you can give items. Assumes you give an item to Sabie. Assumes you live and die off your power being confirmed even though it’s arguably NAI. Assumes we don’t give you a day to try again. How many kills does a wolf use trying to mislynch a PR? Cause if you use one, you have to consider using several.

Nah. That’s not why Sabie died. The question is if Sabie died so you could sell this story.
Any defence I use is wifom.

I'd believe you if sabie hadn't died. What does that even mean? If sabie didn't die we wouldn't even be having this conversation because she would be telling you all she has a lie detect right now.

I mean it’s a fair strategy. But the strategy is “I bet Sabie won’t die” and she did.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:33 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:29 am Acts like I’m going to kill him for suspecting me makes it look like he knows I’m town.
Explain this.

Cause why would I kill you if I was scum? You look worse than I do. I’d need to mislynch you.

7 players. Assuming 1 wolf and no extra kills or stopped kills, POE is 3.

Mac, Speed, Juliets.

Case on Mac: Ignores DDL case, promotes alternative suspects, N1 target is super convenient

Trust fall Mac: Probably 1-2 town PRs and 0-1 scum PRs. Just claiming PR is good.

Case Speed: Treats DDL like he’s bussing him ie pushing the same way until it isn’t viable and taking undeserved credit. Acts like I’m going to kill him for suspecting me makes it look like he knows I’m town.

Trust fall Speed: Idk. I had a decent reason but I forgot it. Will update.

Case Juliets: Quotes the post immediately following the DDL case but when Nova basically restates the DDL case, acts like this is new information. Votes DDL after momentum has turned so this comes across as fake.

Trust fall Juliets: Going to find a specific game where DDL did something that makes him look scummy here is not effort I expect to see from a goon that decides to bus late in the day.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:17 am I gave sabie a one shot lie detection. Yes it's awfully convenient. C'est la vie. I thought she was under the radar enough to avoid being shit and looked good from day one.

I have left a one shot vanilla detection and a one night btsc.

I claimed because apparently I was in a small POE so I figured by claiming it'd clear things up but apparently people believe I'd make this shit up on day 2 rather than just play normally. It is whatever.

Good guess at who I'd give an invention to.

I’d believe you if Sabie hadn’t died.

I don’t think scum kills Sabie to try to spike an inventor claim.

Assumes you can give items. Assumes you give an item to Sabie. Assumes you live and die off your power being confirmed even though it’s arguably NAI. Assumes we don’t give you a day to try again. How many kills does a wolf use trying to mislynch a PR? Cause if you use one, you have to consider using several.

Nah. That’s not why Sabie died. The question is if Sabie died so you could sell this story.

I did ask for controversial opinions lol.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:30 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:31 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:17 pm There's nothing going on. sabie12 you still around?
Luna, where’s your head at? Talk to me about your suspects. Gimmie some controversial opinions.
ok, you're scum, and Mac is probably dying tonight since he claimed inventor.

He claimed inventor long before the night ended and Sabie died.

I caught DDL. My case. Outta your tunnel and do something.

What if Mac kept his stuff to himself?

Like inventor and gift giver isn’t necessarily the same thing.

Yeah, I don’t see the purpose of claiming unspecified power role unless it’s a joke to make the mafia spend time trying to figure out a role you aren’t.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention]

I got nothing from Mac, as expected.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:04 pm So who you killing tonight Jack?

Speedchuck.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:48 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:30 pm @MacDougall

Why should I believe you are an inventor and if I did, why would that make me believe you are town?

Who is bad?

Do a thing.
I don't care

Ghostbustersthendie.gif

Sorry. I’m out of high speed data until tomorrow.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:17 pm There's nothing going on. sabie12 you still around?

Luna, where’s your head at? Talk to me about your suspects. Gimmie some controversial opinions.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention]

Why should I believe you are an inventor and if I did, why would that make me believe you are town?

Who is bad?

Do a thing.

Hey wolf, you're in fucking trouble, alright?

So I went into the reread thinking Speed, Juliets, Mac are possibly bad.

Came out with reasons to scumread and townread Juliets and Speed but no reason to townread Mac.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:02 pm Does Speed enter the game bussing his scum buddy within 2 posts?

Lol it’s happened before.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:18 pm It's late I've got to vote. I'm voting [VOTE: Jack] aubergine and will be around from now until EOD in case new information comes in.

REEEEEEEEEEEEE

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:28 pm Jack and speed distance fun happy time. Speed isn't even voting yet. He's bad.

It’s like he can’t see the DDL case.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:47 pm Besides the point above about DDL not liking the random voting, what is the rest of the case?

This is not the best cause it was a perfectly great case as is.

This implies that it was somehow lacking.

[vimeo][/vimeo]

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:55 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:40 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:37 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:59 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:27 am Considering voting Jack here for the "Actually" tell.

Did you have something to say about that?
Tell me about this tell. It seems pretty random. Like the "interesting" tell that got pinned on myself onetime when I was town.
Disclaimer: I have never heard of the "Actually" tell. I made it up. That said, let's take a look.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:39 pm You (or Juliets) actually think I scumread Mac from one post?
What is the purpose of this word in the sentence? Without 'actually' in there, the sentence reads:
"You or Juliets think I scumread Mac from one post?" which is a question.

Putting in "actually" turns this question into an attack on their alignment or reasoning, one of the two. It insinuates that either DDL/Juliets don't believe what they are saying (therefore scum)... or they do, and that it's ridiculous. Painting their inquiry as scummy or ridiculous is an aggressive, defensive measure that pushes them to back off and shuts down the line of inquiry without actually answering their query.

In short, it's an unnecessary word that comes from a possibly-bad and blustery perspective. I see this post and hear a ten-year-old Overwatch player yelling into the microphone "You actually think this is my main account? You're seriously stupid if you think this Silver account is my main account. I'm actually ranked Diamond."

Pretty yuck in hindsight.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:41 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:57 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:58 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:07 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:37 pm you know what, I don't mind the Jack lynch.

[VOTE: JackofAsses2005] aubergine
That's a nice wagon you're joining there...

I don't like the Jack wagon, it came too fast and with too little resistance. Likely a mislynch.
I had a similar thought but with lots of doubt. Your approach is tmi. I think you are bad and Jack is good.
If it was a thought you had then how is it TMI
One thing has nothing to do with the other. Mac could have some mild suspicions on the Jack wagon he's not sure about. You seem sure about it. Civs are not sure about anything.

Another good look for Leetic.

Does scum Juliets go verify that DDL is full of it by checking another game?

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:19 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:50 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:37 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:29 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:18 pm It's late I've got to vote. I'm voting [VOTE: Jack] aubergine and will be around from now until EOD in case new information comes in.
Why Jack over DDL?
More gut than anything else. I don't understand what his point was in that prolonged back and forth with me that ended with him saying:

1) He has a hard time with the notion he had accused me in an incredulous way but turned right around and said
2) He has a problem with anyone thinking he accused Mac of being scum, in other words he was incredulous

So what was the point of all that? It just tied me up unnecessarily.

I'm open to another vote. What do you see that made you vote DDL?
Where are you getting that from?

His read on Jack is fake. His gripe with the Mac vote and the argument that followed are contrived.
Ok. I can see where the read of Jack might be fake. I also found in another game Community Mafia where he throws out what appears to be a random vote himself so that strategy appears to be one he's ok with. So I get it, I'll change my vote.

Probably not.

I still suspect her but this is a point in her favor.

Actually, my case on DDL comes later so Leetic loses a bit of cred.

The distinction between Mac and Leet is that Mac offers up alternatives to DDL/Jack.

Leet just nixes Jack.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:16 pm Jack are you town bud? I want us to win this thing together.

Yeah, I am. You, me, Leet. That’s the towncore until further notice.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:58 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:07 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:37 pm you know what, I don't mind the Jack lynch.

[VOTE: JackofAsses2005] aubergine
That's a nice wagon you're joining there...

I don't like the Jack wagon, it came too fast and with too little resistance. Likely a mislynch.
I had a similar thought but with lots of doubt. Your approach is tmi. I think you are bad and Jack is good.

I don’t think Leetic nixes the prefered lynch train of his only partner, who also happens to be trying to lynch his only partner. Locking him in as town until he gives me a reason to doubt him.

Which makes Mac’s response to this not the best. ESP since Speed is majorly easy to push. The running joke of Speed always being mafia plus a similar thought process to mine and I always gather early votes regardless of my alignment. Like if I had to pick a player to try to mislynch from the word go, I pick Speed. Not cause he’s an easy mislynch but because the suspicion is easy to justify. Of course, Mac doesn’t even try to justify it so...idk.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:27 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:23 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:27 pm I didn't like how quick nova was to fill the thread. Felt like he was preempting discussion with 'good feels'. But I like him since the rest of the party arrived.
Crafted this post carefully using 2 tabs which resulted in the double post?
That was a phone post.

I don't even know how to select-open tab replies on my new phone.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:26 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:16 pm Getting a weird feel from Luna. Like she's more casual or something. Not like.

Jack's vote on Mac is disgusting.
Haha, okay. I see you there struggling to find a reason to point a finger at me.

Does this post come from a teammate? Considering Luna did not vote DDL but she gave reasons for voting me.

If I was Epi, I’d flip the D1 lynch wrong and wait til tomorrow to correct it.

This is my mafia year.

Baddies watch yerselves.

Mac/Juliets.

Wildcard Speedchuck.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:24 pm Jack's awfully confident DDL is going to flip scum

I don’t think Speed is bussing.

Pins and needles for what [mention]speedchuck[/mention] [mention]juliets[/mention] and [mention]MacDougall[/mention] will do.

Look, are you gonna bus DDL or what?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:52 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:50 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:29 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:24 pm DDL doesn’t actually suspect me. Lynch him over me today and catch a wolf. Failing that, lynch him tomorrow.
Who's his buddy?
Not Leetic. Probably not Sabie. Juliets is too obvious. Idk. I’m not sure there are two scum voting me.

Brah. I’m coming off a game where I townread half the mafia on D1. I’m confident in exactly one read I have atm.

And the answer is “I’m not sure.”

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:37 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:29 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:18 pm It's late I've got to vote. I'm voting [VOTE: Jack] aubergine and will be around from now until EOD in case new information comes in.
Why Jack over DDL?
More gut than anything else. I don't understand what his point was in that prolonged back and forth with me that ended with him saying:

1) He has a hard time with the notion he had accused me in an incredulous way but turned right around and said
2) He has a problem with anyone thinking he accused Mac of being scum, in other words he was incredulous

So what was the point of all that? It just tied me up unnecessarily.

I'm open to another vote. What do you see that made you vote DDL?

The point is to figure out if you believe the things you’re saying.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:29 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:24 pm DDL doesn’t actually suspect me. Lynch him over me today and catch a wolf. Failing that, lynch him tomorrow.
Who's his buddy?

Not Leetic. Probably not Sabie. Juliets is too obvious. Idk. I’m not sure there are two scum voting me.

Whelp, this is probably going to be the second stupidest reason I’ve ever been lynched. Too stupid for there to be no wolves on my wagon, especially with the counter being one of the people with stupid reasoning.

DDL doesn’t actually suspect me. Lynch him over me today and catch a wolf. Failing that, lynch him tomorrow.

Also, this is a boring ass D1 since maybe 80 of the conversation is about me and I’m waiting for something else to happen.

I’m seriously having a hard time with the idea that I’ve “accused” Juliets in a “blustery” or “incredulous” way.

I do agree with one thing in Speedchuck’s literary analysis, the implication that I have a problem with the idea that people actually think I scumread Mac when I said no such thing.

I have more problem with DDL basically declaring rvs votes without strong reasoning are scummy (I don’t think I’ve ever seen him go after say Mac on D1 and Mac explains maybe half his D1 votes) than I do with Juliets awkwardly sheeping a grammatical read.

Nice April Fools joke, Chuck. Be serious.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:31 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:20 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:59 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:23 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:55 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:40 am

Tell me about this tell. It seems pretty random. Like the "interesting" tell that got pinned on myself onetime when I was town.
Disclaimer: I have never heard of the "Actually" tell. I made it up. That said, let's take a look.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:39 pm You (or Juliets) actually think I scumread Mac from one post?
What is the purpose of this word in the sentence? Without 'actually' in there, the sentence reads:
"You or Juliets think I scumread Mac from one post?" which is a question.

Putting in "actually" turns this question into an attack on their alignment or reasoning, one of the two. It insinuates that either DDL/Juliets don't believe what they are saying (therefore scum)... or they do, and that it's ridiculous. Painting their inquiry as scummy or ridiculous is an aggressive, defensive measure that pushes them to back off and shuts down the line of inquiry without actually answering their query.

In short, it's an unnecessary word that comes from a possibly-bad and blustery perspective. I see this post and hear a ten-year-old Overwatch player yelling into the microphone "You actually think this is my main account? You're seriously stupid if you think this Silver account is my main account. I'm actually ranked Diamond."
Epi famously says the use of adverbs is a scum tell (which has proved true in some cases) but I think this ievel of detail is much more convincing.
It is? Tell me about that.
The fact that usually an adverb is an unnecessary word in a post has been voiced before but I've never seen the argument extended to say it changed the meaning of the sentence. In this case it did Imo turn the sentence into an accusation and seemed blustery.
You feel that I accused you and DDL in a blustery way?
It's like the example speed used - "actually" turns the sentence into "You actually believe that?" with the emphasis on the actually, Blustery is the word speed uses, I could also say incredulous in an accusing way if it makes it any clearer.

You feel I accused you and DDL in an incredulous way?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:23 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:19 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:16 pm Cool. Let me bus DDL.
Go for it, dude. Then kill me and ride out the credit to endgame.
Lol but why would I kill you?
Becuz I'm onto you

If you say so.

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