The Syndicate

Made wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:21 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:18 am Jack is also not getting any better. He's too...properly engaged in scumhunting.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:42 am Every time there are two wagons that are hesitant to vote for each other someone says “MAYBE THEYRE BOTH MAFIA” and yet they never fucking are because that’s not how 99% of mafia treat each other

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:20 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:20 am The Joe shade is just culture clash. It’s only CDC people who care but I townread them individually.

You townread every single CDCer?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:00 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:35 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:31 am Alison
falcon45ca
KZA
MartinG99
nutella
Stupid Sexy Flanders

This is my towncore. If your name is here you have a duty of care to not be shit.

Why is Martin in the towncore?

Martin is legit the most towncleared player in the thread fite me scum.

NIK wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:03 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:00 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:59 am Jack can we have a quick word.

I dunno what's happening with you or whatever but like you are so far out of your town meta here that I am not sure it makes sense for you to be mafia because as mafia you'd do a better job looking like your town self. What's going on here?

Don’t chop me, k?

You seem like a sad puppy being on the chopping block.
Get angry tell em whats up
I myself have missed why you're scum and didnt really see it but the sad puppy stuff isnt a good look
No offence

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:54 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:13 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:46 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:38 am @Jackofhearts2005 who are your teammates

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wik ... Bordeleaux

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wik ... nchantress

Miss me?

I can't click those links because I don't have a web browser or a computer of any kind.

you specifically are the reason why I broke hiatus and came back

For real?

Just for that, imma let you pick what Warhammer faction I put you in. Stop by the discord. If you can? I’m confused how you’re posting without a webbrowser.

The joke is that I’ve been playing a lot of my Bretonnia Total Warhammer campaign and linked to the other two Bretonnian legendary lords.

i pay a shaman beneath a waterfall to read all the posts to me

i don't need context put me in the ork faction

ok but for real i am glad that you (and so many other people) are still here after all this time

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:59 am Jack can we have a quick word.

I dunno what's happening with you or whatever but like you are so far out of your town meta here that I am not sure it makes sense for you to be mafia because as mafia you'd do a better job looking like your town self. What's going on here?

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:52 am

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:49 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:44 am What is "possibly dm"?

Thunal is a girl by the way.

lmao. Did someone say a player here is "possibly DM"?
If it was a CDCer it means a lot. Lol

NIK said the emoji player is "possibly DM"

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:45 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:30 am @Alison

What happened to your suspicions of Tutuu and Poison? I feel like I’m gonna lose catchup motivation (see: vote count) before reaching that point in the thread.

tutuu got townier. I still suspect Poison.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:31 am Alison
falcon45ca
KZA
MartinG99
nutella
Stupid Sexy Flanders

This is my towncore. If your name is here you have a duty of care to not be shit.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:22 am Did you read spoiler 3 Jack? If the Demon lies we can out them and kill them. So they won't lie.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:05 am The Gambit Demon has bargained with me.

Here is the reference post outlining the Gambit Demon's role, as stated in the OP. It is a third-party role.

-Gambit Demon: During the day, select a player to bargain with. You will join a chat with the player who can choose to accept your help *SECRETS*

On Day 0, the Gambit Demon selected me as the target, and has revealed their identity to me. They have performed a full claim to me, listing every detail about their role and win condition, and assured me that they intend to townside this game because it helps them fulfil their win condition. I will not be revealing the Gambit Demon's identity right now, because the Mafia Obliterator has a soupkill.

In the spoilers below, I will set out what the Gambit Demon's roleclaim is, how we can use it to our advantage, and ways to protect against deception or treachery by the Demon.

Spoiler: show

Here is what the Gambit Demon claims their role does.

1) As stated in the OP, they can select a player to bargain with, and gain BTSC with them.
2) When a player is being bargained with, they may choose at night to gain more power by striking a deal with the demon. This grants them a power role, but comes at a cost.
3) The first time they strike a deal, they gain a roleblock, but their vote is reduced to 0 the next day. This is "tier 1".
4)The second time they strike a deal is "tier 2", giving them the ability to swap places with another player (ie. a Bus Driver ability), at the cost of having all abilities directed at the Gambit Demon redirect to them instead.
5) The third time is "tier 3", and kills them instantly but allows them to either kill or protect any other player.

This is a mere claim; the Gambit Demon can be lying about any part of this.

The Gambit Demon claims that their win condition is to have any person either take the tier 3 deal, OR strike 7 deals in total. That means that there must be seven instances of a person accepting a power - it could be 3 players going up to tier 2 and a third going up to tier 1, or 7 different players going up to tier 1, or any combination that lets them get up to 7 deals struck in total.

I have very good reasons to believe this win condition is the absolute truth. I think it is imprudent to specify those reasons, but I will ask you to take it on faith that they're being honest about that part - there aren't any booby traps, or "everyone who strikes a deal with the demon ends up getting killed" things going on with this. They just have to get one person to tier 3 or seven people to tier 1, and then they win and can check out of the thread.

Spoiler: show

I believe there is a way for us to use the Gambit Demon's role to our advantage. I will outline briefly the plan here. Naturally there will be concern about betrayal on the part of the Demon. These concerns will be dealt with in the third spoiler, "Protections against treachery". The plan is as follows.

1) I will personally select a player who I trust to be town. The Gambit Demon will offer them a bargain, opening BTSC with them. I myself will strike a deal with the Demon for the tier 1 benefit, and so will the player who they contact.

2) In this manner, two players that I trust to be town will gain a power role (roleblock). Then, we will select another player who we trust to be town, possibly with input from the rest of the thread. This player will also take a tier 1 power.

3) This process repeats, with a new consensus town player selected each night, and taking powers. This part is very important: NO PLAYER WILL TAKE ANY POWER BEYOND TIER 1. Tier 1 is the power that runs the least chance of a catastrophic booby trap implanted in it, as it is hardly likely for the host to inflict severe penalties on someone who accepts a single night's bargain. The downside is not particularly relevant, especially this early in the game. More importantly, it is crucial to the strategy I have devised for protecting against the Demon's treachery that nobody take more than 1 tier of power. I repeat: [color=]ACCEPT THE FIRST DEAL, AND NO MORE[/color]. Don't get greedy and try to make a hero bus driver shot and ruin everything.

4) The sum result of this is that we will essentially turn the Gambit Demon into machine that generates one free roleblock shot every night, to be handed out to people deemed consensus town. Because it is public who the roleblocks are given to, they are held accountable for their shots. That means if we accidentally misclear a wolf and give them a roleblock, they're obliged to use it on someone the town thinks they should use it on, rather than roleblocking a town player or claimed PR.

5) The Gambit Demon has agreed to this plan, because this allows them to get seven bargains struck fairly easily and fulfil their win condition.

Spoiler: show

Now, a name like "Gambit Demon" doesn't exactly inspire suspicion, and neither does the thought of striking mysterious "deals" with them. However, there is no need to worry, as I have devised two strategies to ensure that the Gambit Demon is incentivized to side with town and to obediently hand out roleblocker shots to whoever we agree should get it.

Strategy One: The Leash
Because my plan involves no player taking a power beyond tier 1, the Gambit Demon will have to give seven different players a tier 1 power in order to win. This means that we are essentially putting a leash on them, forcing them to work with us and give players we select a tier 1 power over the course of 7 days. By controlling the circumstances in which the Gambit Demon is permitted to win, and ensuring that they won't actually achieve their win condition until later in the game, we force them to side with us early in the game in order to reach that win condition. This protects against scumsiding, and also against situations where the Gambit Demon achieves their win condition and is free to rampage around the thread causing chaos as they please.

Strategy Two: The Dead Man's Switch
One of my major concerns when constructing this strategy was the possibility of the bargain being more Faustian than expected - perhaps taking a power would have some negative side effect inflicted on me that the Demon has chosen not to disclose. Or perhaps the Demon would get some measure of power over me as a player if I take their bargain. Or perhaps they're simply lying about some aspects of their role claim (remember, I have reason to believe that their win condition is accurate, but not that their role claim is) and can't be trusted.

For this reason, I have established a Dead Man's Switch strategy that allows the Gambit Demon's role to be kept secret (to protect them from being killed by the Obliterator) if they cooperate, but leaked to the rest of the thread if and only if something goes wrong. They are incentivized to make sure this does not happen, because if their identity is leaked, they will be killed either by the Obliterator or by townies, and therefore be unable to achieve their win condition (which is why the Leash is important for keeping them in line, by allowing us to hold this Damocles' Doom over their head).

The strategy is as follows. When the Gambit Demon contacts a player to offer a bargain to them, they gain BTSC with that player. (Remember, this is a player that's been agreed on to be unimpeachably town by the rest of the thread.) As stated in the plan, they will accept the deal and again the tier 1 roleblocking power. They will also, at the same time, establish the Gambit Demon's identity. This can be done in a multitude of ways, or as the player sees fit. If you don't have a better way, the Gambit Demon will tell you what method I used to establish their identity and then have you use it to prove their identity to you.

Under ordinary circumstances, the Gambit Demon's identity is to be kept secret to protect against Obliterator. But if anything goes wrong, the players who know the Gambit Demon's identity will reveal it to the thread, and the town will then execute them, preventing them from completing their win condition. The threat of this will keep the Gambit Demon in line. Things going wrong include: the Gambit Demon not offering a bargain to the person we agreed on, an undeclared negative side effect happening on people who took deals, the people who took deals previously dropping dead without a good explanation for why, or any other evidence of foul play or treachery.

If we have falsely cleared a wolf, and wrongly selected scum to receive the Gambit Demon's bargain, then scum will be privy to the knowledge of who the Gambit Demon is. If the Gambit Demon themselves dies under suspicious circumstances (eg. the Obliterator's soup kill), then we will know that one of the people who we trusted enough to give a roleblock to was a deepwolf in disguise. This is still a positive development for us, because it proves the existence of a deepwolf while we have already gotten to reap some benefits from the Gambit Demon (in the form of giving townies free roleblocks). If the mafia want to waste their nightkill on a 3P slot and work to pass it off as something other than a Gambit Demon snipe (which would out the existence of a deepwolf), that is also fine by me.

If there are any objections or flaws with this plan, let me know.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:50 am

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:47 am Haven't had good feeling on Sabie and sig. Seeing them on the NIK wagon gives me pause.

Cornered scum NIK usually just ghosts or lock votes on me and then ghosts.
I've been giving him leash and he's yet to sulk or act like a huge baby. Pair that with two scum leans voting for him. I dunno.

NIK, if you're town don't bitch out and sulk or some shit. Having a hard time taking my vote off you, but not a fan of a couple on your wagon.

Reads bitch, within the next two hours. Failure to do so will result in everything being your fault no matter how you flip.

90% sure Sabie is mafia

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:28 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:55 am Recap mostly for me

Townread
Alison
SSF
Joepi

Townlean
Thundercat
Falco - yeah, I expressed a scumlean earlier but whatever shit changes
Nutella
Pawnavatar

Scumlean
NIK - mostly sheeped from Falco’s meta note
Poison

Scumread
Tutuu - why does nobody else scumread this anymore?

You put me to null, yet you sheep my read on NIK???




Fight me!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:12 am Cool instead of complaining about the gamestate not being what you want it to be, make it that. Push Tutuu not the people not pushing her. You mafia scumlord.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:16 am Wait I might have made up radish shading falcon maybe that didn't happen lol

Jack did after subbing for sloonei that must be it

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:56 am I was your biggest attacker earlier and now I'm on Poison and feel good about you. You have your space to hunt, go wild and don't get caught up in this debate about whether or not you ad hommed Flanders. You're getting stuck in a rut arguing the same points over and over. Even if Poison is scum she must have teammates so help me find them.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:37 am im sleepy tutuu is going to call me a cute sleepyfuzzyheaded meerkat oh no oh no

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:44 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:58 am Whenever theres a big consensus on someone's alignment that person is >>>rand town, regardless of what that consensus is, from my experience

nah consensus scum are often scum ime

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:43 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:23 am Falcon, I appreciate the read list. Can you sum up the NIK one. I’m still 20+ pages behind.

I’ve watched two townie players post only emojis AND catch scum D1.

I’ve never seen a scum player do it.

It’s the kind of thing that draws a lot of attention and invites reads like “this player is slanking/being unhelpful, therefore scum.” Scum don’t generally care to play like that.

Then why would a town person do it? Knowing it's a great way to get lynched? That makes no sense to me.


NIK has barely involved himself in the game, saying he's still catching up, reading the thread, blah blah blah. Not enough info for reads...that's not how town NIK plays.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:49 am Did someone say falcon is town? If so i concur falcon town

If nobody said that then i retract

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:38 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:33 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:29 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:28 am This game is really funny ya’ll don’t even know.

What's so funny about it?

Can’t explain the joke atm. Sorry.

Does it have anything to do with the infodump I am about to reveal?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:36 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:28 am This game is really funny ya’ll don’t even know.

Yeah I bet that wolfchat is fuckin hilarious

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:29 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:28 am This game is really funny ya’ll don’t even know.

What's so funny about it?

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:21 am Hello. I'm caught up. I'm going to be posting less for a bit, because I have an infodump to make, and this infodump will probably change how the game turns out so discussing prior to it isn't worth anything. I'm double checking things with the host before I make the infodump. I approve of both NIK and Jack wagons, and I will be laying my vote down on Jack in deference to nutella's certainty - she has never been wrong about who the mafia is when she's this certain.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:19 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:58 pm

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:56 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:55 pm

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:54 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:51 pm [VOTE: Poison] aubergine

Be back in a bit, going to nap

but d1 haven't started yet.

You didn't seem to care when I voted tutuu earlier.

yea I'm scared you'd lynch me d0.

there's a lynch d0?!?!?

Stop it with the derp clearing.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:08 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:02 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:55 pm Thunal is a girl. My bad. Also the avatar is obviously a cat wthell, me?

Pronouns don’t show on mobile so for my reference

KZA - male

And everyone else new who has voted seems to either match the implied gender of their name/avatar.

Who gives a fuck about gender pronouns? Is that a thing here?

Call me whatever ya want, except late for dinner!

Without going too far off topic, there are reasons to believe that the game mafia attracts trans/non-binary players at a greater than average rate and even if that’s wrong, MU, a site I play on a fair bit, has a fairly large trans population.

So I try to be extra conscious of it.

I personally don’t care if somebody calls me the wrong pronoun but that’s a super easy opinion to have as a cis male with an abbreviated name that is a super common male name.

I am a meat popsicle, please refer to me as such from now until I change my mind.