The Syndicate

Mod, I love a F3 town win.

Great job, Rondo and Porscha.

Legit, I was about to unvote Alison and then she returned and took a big ole dump all over half the game and then a bunch of players are like “save Alison because she’s such a strong and obvious townie” and it makes me wanna throw something.

No war but arrogant classist meta war!

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:52 pm The poe-letariat must throw off our shackles, raise up and overthrow our strong player overlords

This

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:48 pm Nah I'm staying on Porscha. I will self pres on Falcon if needed but I prefer Porscha for sure. She is either wolf or working for wolves and there's no in between at this point.

Rude tbh

Mac town. Not that anybody needs my legacy.

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:46 pm There is no way alison believes jack and falcon have given more reads or been more productive than me man theres just no way

Falcon maybe on par with me jack doubtful

Yeah, I’ve given like 5 reads total.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:41 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:40 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:39 pm why do i feel like jack is openwolfing with every post he makes
Because you need to have more respect for my wolfgame.
the thing is that i have more respect for your towngame than whatever it is youre doing right now. no offense

None taken. I’m woken Jackofhearts because broken Jackofhearts is copywrited by another promotion.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:34 pm I don't think Seanzie is it. He has had townie moments earlier and I genuinely believe he has the ability to self clear and catch mafia on later days. This makes him a far inferior exe to any of the other people I would like to vote. I would heavily prefer Porscha as the most likely slot to flip mafia. Rondo and Jack are my 2nd and 3rd choices.

These scumreads are pretty terrible tbh. Which is why I’m not unvoting you.

Like it reads flat most yeetable, not most sus.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:39 pm why do i feel like jack is openwolfing with every post he makes

Because you need to have more respect for my wolfgame.

Porscha, Creature, Falcon all town. Going back to my meta of only being able to find townies.

If Alison is so good, why are people voting for her?

Curious!

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:29 pm I think between like

Porscha/lily/falcon/alison/mac/lucy there's probably two mafia

So im probably just gonna bounce my vote among that group

Chicken salad

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:16 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:12 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:11 pm Mac is clearly OMGUSing, and he's upset I've nailed him as Maf so quickly this game
You had 30 minutes to rebuff me and this is what you came up with?

Why are you voting Alison?
Actually, I've only had 2 mins, I've not been around the past 30 mins. Not that it would be much different, I don't spend oodles of time in responses.

There's a resoluteness she's projecting in reads that have no right to the level of certainty. Her push on Porscha is gross

For a second, that sounded good until I realized I’ve met Alison before.

My confidence is waning. Somebody do something wolfy.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:12 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:50 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:49 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:19 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:59 am
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:57 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:56 am i feel like maybe the right play is to push those who do not provide any read or real content tbh
Alright. Who fits that category then?
neon, porscha, missparkles but yeh rondo just arrived, jack, nanook if i am fair tbh
I've provided both reads and readable content

#skillissue jk but srsly like wut?
maybe i have missed stuff but what i remember from you is you declaring that you like memes, chaos is fun, you have some self-reflection etc tbh
Imagine iso
Never seen an iso in my life. Never clicked one. Never read one.

An inspiration to us all

Lol what’s it like being suspects for reasons beyond “feels off”

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:54 pm
arogame123 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:47 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:47 pm i am getting mildly tilted by the gamestate but it's because i am partly grumpy and tired so im trying to hold my tongue

this gamestate is really quite horrible though
???? Why do you feel this way?
the communication and the structure of today have been fucking garbage

within the last few hours, boquise and alison have both been leading wagons in serious contention to die today, and the reasons to scumreade both of them have not extended beyond: "i am worried that this person might be mafia" or "i think this person is posting kind of weirdly". even among the players that are being wagoned who are actually scummy, the reasoning is consistently pretty horrible

it's embarrassing to think that i am playing this game with multiple villagers who are OK with killing some of the strongest players in the game who have a high potential of solving the game if theyre town or being nightkilled within the next couple of nights because they "feel off" or because you "don't like the vibes". that's not how you play mafia, that's not how you bring structure to a game, and that's not how you scumhunt. if you think that someone is wolfy then it is your responsibility to dive deeply into their posts and figure out why instead of pushing for objectively anti-town kills because you had a gut feeling

even among the players being wagoned who i could actually see containing a wolf (porscha/jack), i feel like i'm the only person who has actually provided decent reasoning for why either of them could have wolf equity

this is basically how the d1 of every mountainous game throughout this past champs season has played out in the games where the town lost, and everyone needs to collectively get their shit together and kick it into gear if we don't want to get swept by the wolfteam on like d4

Isn’t that like….every game?

This wagon formation always results in hurt feelings tbh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:52 pm
arogame123 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:50 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:48 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:47 pm i am getting mildly tilted by the gamestate but it's because i am partly grumpy and tired so im trying to hold my tongue

this gamestate is really quite horrible though
hard agree
there's zero consensus or structure
Wait really? I feel like we have a decent towncore going through with Mac, Creature, SPF, and I'd like to think me as well.

I've seen Boq and somewhat Lucy thrown around as well as town. Am I missing anything?
Said towncore is being completely ignored in favour of the majority of the poe trying to wagon Alison and the rest of the town ignoring our reads to push Porscha who is arguably out of their scumrange and should never be chopped before Rondo or Falcon at min and probably more.

Real talk, what reads from the “towncore” are being ignored, Porscha aside?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:41 pm Well if Aro is allowed to postcap with no repercussions I can too.

We are chopping Falcon today. Final word.
What did you mean by level one suboptimal?
spf mac and Alison are basically near guaranteed to contain the night 1 kill and you want us as your POE

Spf has been townie as fuck.

Alison isn't so townie but is never a good chop on day 1 for transparently obvious reasons I shouldn't need to explain to you.

I'm town and have been townie and am a terrible day 1.

Your reads might be okay but even if they are the idea is completely sub optimal and coming from you pings me way hard because you're too good of a player to think heroing one of us three is optimal for day 1.

There are so many better paths.

Vote sleep!

Alternative joke: Voting players on D1 is now a personal insult

This gamestate is fantastic. Prior gamestate, there were lots of votes on me and I didn’t remember which way to convert eastern to central but now, things are much better.

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:46 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:11 am Neon's iso is pretty much flufftastic. I know that's shite of me to say but it's true.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 1:48 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:11 am @Neon You seem convinced that there is a wolf in the people who have pushed you but that I specifically am wrong town. Why?
Because people who push me for my approach to the game day 1 especially when I'm more relaxed and memey than normal are almost always town and almost always think they have some amazing solve on me when in fact I'm just being myself.

They give woofs an easy wagon to jump on and put pressure on because like okay someone else started it the reasons look good enough at a base level and it's easy to jump off if needed or to hand wave when I flip town.

Your not the first you won't be the last and it happens in almost every game with people I've never played with before when I'm at my most natural self. Lately I've been kinda not being me and trying to emulate the games of the really good players I respect but I'm shit at it so now I'm in this weird juxtaposition where people who have specced me lately expect me to be like I was in champs or since than and people who know me from before expect me to be goofy anime meme girl when in truth I don't even know who I am anymore so I kinda decided to try to be old me again... cause that's when I had fun in mafia and was like actually kinda good at it.

Anyways point is. You created a wagon that's easy for woofs to use to get a misexe if I don't change my play or to get off of if I do without much suspicion. I don't think a woof starts the wagon I do think at least one jumps on it as it gains traction though.
Mood. I do wanna see more follow up to this, though.

Mac thinks Neon is totes town. SPF thinks Neon looks like a frozen wolf and I tend to think "frozen wolf" isn't a thing that happens fucking D1. But then Neon is like "SPF is my top townie."

this is a good post

I was told it was a bad one wowee

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:41 pm Well if Aro is allowed to postcap with no repercussions I can too.

We are chopping Falcon today. Final word.

What did you mean by level one suboptimal?

Don’t any of you have any resolve at all?

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

How serious I am about this vote depends on what happens later but it’s totally the smartest and towniest interpretation of events.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:28 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:27 pm Everybody promise to not vote past 8:00.
What the fuck is your pfp supposed to be?

Queek Headtaker kills a dinosaur and mounts its head on his trophy backpack.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:27 pm Alright where do you all stand on falcon45ca?

I'm kinda concerned he's showing his wolf tell of latching onto a push and pushing it in an agenday way.

I thought he looked kinda townie just based on his like 5 posts or so

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:27 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:26 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:25 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:22 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:20 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:19 pm [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

iso'ed Porscha and Jack, Jack had better messages by a long shot
might be something else but I have to iso elsewhere
what better messages did jack have
Vote democrat because the alternatives are worse
my migraine is so hellish rn i literally can't coherently think about ur slots but i think this won me over

[VOTE: porscha] aubergine
That’s not significantly better!
it isn't but if i vote someone big and they die and flip town people will be like lily ur a stupid wolf and i hate u and im emotionally vulnerable

You can’t live with fear.

Pinky swear

Everybody promise to not vote past 8:00.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:25 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:22 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:20 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:19 pm [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

iso'ed Porscha and Jack, Jack had better messages by a long shot
might be something else but I have to iso elsewhere
what better messages did jack have
Vote democrat because the alternatives are worse
my migraine is so hellish rn i literally can't coherently think about ur slots but i think this won me over

[VOTE: porscha] aubergine

That’s not significantly better!

How many does it have to be to be salad?

I could yeet SPF, Alison or maybe Mac.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:23 pm
MOD NOTE:

BABY'S FIRST GAME HOSTED ON SYNDICATE AND DIDN'T KNOW I WAS SUPPOSED TO TIME THE POLL.

THREAD WILL BE MANUALLY LOCKED AT EXACTLY 8:01 PM EASTERN WHICH WILL LOCK THE VOTES.

I'M SORRY FOR THE FUCK UP XOXO

Just reload your save

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:20 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:19 pm [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

iso'ed Porscha and Jack, Jack had better messages by a long shot
might be something else but I have to iso elsewhere
what better messages did jack have

Vote democrat because the alternatives are worse

Pretend I shooped a gif of Tommy Lee Jones from MIB like “eat me!” but it says like “yeet me” instead.

Cowards, every last one of ya.

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:16 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:10 pm Is the poll just not timed?
EOD in 2 hours and 44 min

Depends where you live, tbh. Time zones.

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:15 pm I need to make a vore about now

Is making a vore slang for doing a vore or drawing a vore?

Is the poll just not timed?

Cowards, tbh

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:59 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:53 pm Oh right I forgot about MissSparkles/RondoDimBuckle but they're arguably more shrug lynch than both Jack and Porscha.

There's also falcon45ca but Alison townreads him.

arogame123 seemed pretty town for me. Is he this good at wolfing?

lucy I'm feelijg a bit meh. She was townreading me yet voted me sheeping Mac and planted her vote on me despite Mac now townreading me. Idk if lucy has done anything useful since then.
I shouldn't have voted yesterday, dunno what to do with my vote now. I'm gonna iso Mac to see what he said about Porscha since he has good meta. And I thought Jack was a towny that gets MLed a lot, no?

Constantly, since he broke himself back in 2022.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:59 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:57 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:56 pm [VOTE: jackofhearts2005] aubergine

meh

do something

i dont want to kill u

You do something. I’m not in control of your vote.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:57 pm jack i have temporarily unvoted u and changed my vote to sleep as a peace treaty. if ur town then help me figure out who the mafia is and who we should vote instead

Oh how reasonable. And if I don’t look at other players, it’s my fault when you re-vote me.

Not interested. Vote your scumreads.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:56 pm [VOTE: jackofhearts2005] aubergine

meh

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:53 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:50 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:32 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:30 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:47 pm anyway i finished catching up with the thread and i actually think that jack looks the worst out of all the people who posted when i was gone.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:11 am Neon's iso is pretty much flufftastic. I know that's shite of me to say but it's true.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 1:48 am

Because people who push me for my approach to the game day 1 especially when I'm more relaxed and memey than normal are almost always town and almost always think they have some amazing solve on me when in fact I'm just being myself.

They give woofs an easy wagon to jump on and put pressure on because like okay someone else started it the reasons look good enough at a base level and it's easy to jump off if needed or to hand wave when I flip town.

Your not the first you won't be the last and it happens in almost every game with people I've never played with before when I'm at my most natural self. Lately I've been kinda not being me and trying to emulate the games of the really good players I respect but I'm shit at it so now I'm in this weird juxtaposition where people who have specced me lately expect me to be like I was in champs or since than and people who know me from before expect me to be goofy anime meme girl when in truth I don't even know who I am anymore so I kinda decided to try to be old me again... cause that's when I had fun in mafia and was like actually kinda good at it.

Anyways point is. You created a wagon that's easy for woofs to use to get a misexe if I don't change my play or to get off of if I do without much suspicion. I don't think a woof starts the wagon I do think at least one jumps on it as it gains traction though.
Mood. I do wanna see more follow up to this, though.

Mac thinks Neon is totes town. SPF thinks Neon looks like a frozen wolf and I tend to think "frozen wolf" isn't a thing that happens fucking D1. But then Neon is like "SPF is my top townie."

i dislike jack characterizing neon as "fluffastic" only to use neon's read on me as an excuse not to read me or push on me further. it feels like jack is attempting to position himself to vote neon as needed while also using neon's read on me as a crutch to avoid giving a stance on my alignment

in general, this train of thought doesn't make any sense to me - if jack thinks that i am mischaracterizing neon's play or describing her in a wolfy way, then i would expect him to pursue that read further instead of lazily giving up because someone who he doesn't even townread is calling me down. it borders on word salad because of how difficult the logic is to follow

i also dislike him asking a question about porscha (ie: "is porscha playing scummy this game?"") and then choosing not to self-preserve on porscha while still giving himself the space to vote her later if it becomes strategically necessary. i feel the same way about his vote on boq - it came out of nowhere and i find it difficult to believe that jack!town would be comfortable leaving his vote parked on boq on d1 of a game like this, especially without a clear reason
This is all kinda silly.

I choose to not vote Neon. I didn’t position shit.

I choose to vote for Boq thinking the day was about to end and then shrug left. My vote for Boq is real like Republican economic theory.
okay but why would you choose to vote boq and make him the leading wagon if you thought that the day was about to end, especially since you hadn't mentioned boq in your ISO before that point? is boq really a player that you're OK with killing on d1 without having any particular read on him? why not vote for porscha or literally any other person that isn't boq?
Top wagons:
Jack, who I know is town
Porscha, who I believe to be town
Boq, who is null

Jack votes for Boq

SPF: Why on earth would Jack vote for Boq in this situation?

What a nonsense, agenday push.
jack, you quite literally said that you planned to vote porscha at the end of the day if you felt like it:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 1:29 pm I don't really feel like preserving onto Porscha so I'm just not gonna. Maybe I will at EOD. Maybe the wagons will be better. I have heard bad rumors about almost the entire Porscha wagon and I do not trust it.
you are saying that it's wolfy that i said you were giving yourself wiggle room to vote for porscha if it became strategivcally necessary ,when that is objectivrly what you did

you're also acting like i am somehow supposed to infer from your posts that you had a townread on porscha, when you made no indications of townreading porscha, and when i would not expect you to say "i might vote for porscha at the EOD" if you thought that porscha was town

What wiggle room? I’m allowed to vote whoever the hell I want, yeah? It’s a free country.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:44 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:35 pm jack if youre town then you should consider reading my posts and engaging with me instead of lazily OMGUSing me
I read one of your posts and it was laughably bad. Creature expressed suspicion of you. You expressed suspicion of iirc Neon, which looked bad even if Neon townread you.

I’m not 100% sure you’re a wolf but “Jack, this is just OMGUS. Axetualky, you havnt red muh posts” ain’t gonna do it.

I make myself (or simply allow myself to be) a target and read players based on that. This is a normal Jack thing to do. Yet every time I read a wolf this way, the wolf says it’s just omgus. It’s not me saying you suck for suspecting me. I’m saying the way you’re going about the expression of your suspicion of me sounds fake and therefore, I think it comes from a wolf.

Like…Alison’s read on me also sucks but it doesn’t stick out as fake in the same way. I’m not saying she’s for sure a townie and you’re for sure a wolf but there’s a reason my vote is on you and it’s absolutely not omgus.
if you're town then it should be extremely easy to understand why i find it wolfy that you decided to leave your vote parked on boq as the leading wagon when you thought that the day was ending, when you did not mention boq at any point prior to that in your ISO, and when i struggle to believe that you would be OK with boq being the d1 chop on a game like this unless you had any specific reasons to scumread him. it feels out of character for you and distinct from the other towngames i have seen from you, including the mash

and that's the exact thing - you thought that my push on neon looked bad but you were opposed to pushing on me because neon had a townread on me, even though you made it clear from your posts that you did not actually think that neon was town. this is a thought process that does not make any sense and that i struggle to wrap my head around no matter how many times i think it through

to be blunt, if youre town then my recommendation is to stop posting badly and start actually playing the game

Well if you’re town maybe you could like.

Stop also playing badly?

And like stop being a wolf?

Spoiler: show

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:32 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:30 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:47 pm anyway i finished catching up with the thread and i actually think that jack looks the worst out of all the people who posted when i was gone.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:11 am Neon's iso is pretty much flufftastic. I know that's shite of me to say but it's true.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 1:48 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:11 am @Neon You seem convinced that there is a wolf in the people who have pushed you but that I specifically am wrong town. Why?
Because people who push me for my approach to the game day 1 especially when I'm more relaxed and memey than normal are almost always town and almost always think they have some amazing solve on me when in fact I'm just being myself.

They give woofs an easy wagon to jump on and put pressure on because like okay someone else started it the reasons look good enough at a base level and it's easy to jump off if needed or to hand wave when I flip town.

Your not the first you won't be the last and it happens in almost every game with people I've never played with before when I'm at my most natural self. Lately I've been kinda not being me and trying to emulate the games of the really good players I respect but I'm shit at it so now I'm in this weird juxtaposition where people who have specced me lately expect me to be like I was in champs or since than and people who know me from before expect me to be goofy anime meme girl when in truth I don't even know who I am anymore so I kinda decided to try to be old me again... cause that's when I had fun in mafia and was like actually kinda good at it.

Anyways point is. You created a wagon that's easy for woofs to use to get a misexe if I don't change my play or to get off of if I do without much suspicion. I don't think a woof starts the wagon I do think at least one jumps on it as it gains traction though.
Mood. I do wanna see more follow up to this, though.

Mac thinks Neon is totes town. SPF thinks Neon looks like a frozen wolf and I tend to think "frozen wolf" isn't a thing that happens fucking D1. But then Neon is like "SPF is my top townie."

i dislike jack characterizing neon as "fluffastic" only to use neon's read on me as an excuse not to read me or push on me further. it feels like jack is attempting to position himself to vote neon as needed while also using neon's read on me as a crutch to avoid giving a stance on my alignment

in general, this train of thought doesn't make any sense to me - if jack thinks that i am mischaracterizing neon's play or describing her in a wolfy way, then i would expect him to pursue that read further instead of lazily giving up because someone who he doesn't even townread is calling me down. it borders on word salad because of how difficult the logic is to follow

i also dislike him asking a question about porscha (ie: "is porscha playing scummy this game?"") and then choosing not to self-preserve on porscha while still giving himself the space to vote her later if it becomes strategically necessary. i feel the same way about his vote on boq - it came out of nowhere and i find it difficult to believe that jack!town would be comfortable leaving his vote parked on boq on d1 of a game like this, especially without a clear reason
This is all kinda silly.

I choose to not vote Neon. I didn’t position shit.

I choose to vote for Boq thinking the day was about to end and then shrug left. My vote for Boq is real like Republican economic theory.
okay but why would you choose to vote boq and make him the leading wagon if you thought that the day was about to end, especially since you hadn't mentioned boq in your ISO before that point? is boq really a player that you're OK with killing on d1 without having any particular read on him? why not vote for porscha or literally any other person that isn't boq?

Top wagons:
Jack, who I know is town
Porscha, who I believe to be town
Boq, who is null

Jack votes for Boq

SPF: Why on earth would Jack vote for Boq in this situation?

What a nonsense, agenday push.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:35 pm jack if youre town then you should consider reading my posts and engaging with me instead of lazily OMGUSing me

I read one of your posts and it was laughably bad. Creature expressed suspicion of you. You expressed suspicion of iirc Neon, which looked bad even if Neon townread you.

I’m not 100% sure you’re a wolf but “Jack, this is just OMGUS. Axetualky, you havnt red muh posts” ain’t gonna do it.

I make myself (or simply allow myself to be) a target and read players based on that. This is a normal Jack thing to do. Yet every time I read a wolf this way, the wolf says it’s just omgus. It’s not me saying you suck for suspecting me. I’m saying the way you’re going about the expression of your suspicion of me sounds fake and therefore, I think it comes from a wolf.

Like…Alison’s read on me also sucks but it doesn’t stick out as fake in the same way. I’m not saying she’s for sure a townie and you’re for sure a wolf but there’s a reason my vote is on you and it’s absolutely not omgus.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:18 pm I mean here is the thing. It is extremely rare for Boq and SPF to get run up D1. You can complain about how this is classist or whatever but I'm pretty sure if you look at their games you'll find it is objectively true. So now here we are, 4 hours to EOD1, and SPF and Boq are being voted. The votes on them are bad - for instance Lilypetal has admitted to voting SPF because it was "the worst possible vote I could cast here" and Jack voted Boq for "I don't have a great reason for this".

So I am sitting here and I am thinking to myself why the fuck we are nearing EOD and two players who usually receive strong townreads D1 are getting run up for zero reason. Occam's Razor is just that there are nefarious motives at play and boxed in scum feel the need to create chaos in the thread and try to get away with wild pushes.

Candidates for boxed in scum who feel the need to do this to save themselves: Jack and Porscha, who were top wagons and consensus suspects before this round of voting happened.

Candidates for boxed in scum's accomplices: Lilypetal and maybe Creature.

I think it is virtually guaranteed there is one in Jack/Porscha, if not both, and if so then Lilypetal and Creature need to be put under a microscope (Lilypetal especially for that huge reversal on her Porscha read). I will probably just be voting on one of those two and currently I think it's slightly more likely to be Porscha because of her reaction to pressure.

Lol

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