The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:10 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:31 pm Epi, I gotta ask.

What role did type have in the game?

I know it had some effect on my role as Eevee -- as I got evolution points I would evolve into different types that gave me different benefits. I only evolved twice so what I know is that first I was and if I gave an evo vote to another Electric type I would be protected from the NK, and then I became Vaporeon and if another Water type gave me an evo point I would be off the next poll.

Blasphemy.

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:03 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:57 am

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:33 am I did suspect Wilgy a good bit at one point, can't remember why I didn't go harder on a lynch.

I suck as civ.

In response to you Jackofhearts, the only games I've played in full (two) I have played as mafia and have won, so yeah, I really don't know how to be town apparently.

How do you play when you're mafia?

Imo, mafia play is often an impression of self's townie play. So I'm curious.

I'm not even sure of my style honestly, it's been 2 plus years since I played a game. I've been told I'm very hard to pin. I'm more involved than I was this game, I think. I'm better at deflecting or steering that I am at actually hunting out mafia, that's for sure. I guess that will come with practice.

Hopefully I can play with you guys for another game.

Well done to mafia, anyway.

You absolutely should.

And yes, the mafia certainly played a strong game and earned the win.

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:33 am I did suspect Wilgy a good bit at one point, can't remember why I didn't go harder on a lynch.

I suck as civ.

In response to you Jackofhearts, the only games I've played in full (two) I have played as mafia and have won, so yeah, I really don't know how to be town apparently.

How do you play when you're mafia?

Imo, mafia play is often an impression of self's townie play. So I'm curious.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:53 am Shame someone knew to kill you right off the back am I right?

"Unforced error."

Pokémon Day 5 Rainbow (post Fred mislynch)

*Green
GMan (really seems to be trying)
Boo (not w/w with Sprit, trying)
Mac (I know this is partially just Mac but lead a lynch on Fred after MIA 3 days and then says Fred was obvious town. Bussed Sprityo? Or town? I like him going after all my suspects....including Fred, who was off his game)
Tink (probably not w/w with Sprit, likely copped good by Eloh)

*Yellow
Dizzy (probably not w/w with Sprit, good Day 1, MIA)
Never (easy fall guy, not impressed but no pings, really)

*Orange
Wilgy (defended Fred? possible w/w with DDL for shooting shit instead of hunting, where is super doc? but then he'll say something helpful. Going through the motions? Tried to lynch Dom over Sprit. Not w/w with Quin)
Quin (rainbow list is all backwards, reading the thread without checking autopsies i.e. wasting his breath, never quite caught up, townies voting for Tony theory smells)

*Red
DF (disagree with most of what he says, find his votes nonsensical, ping on Day 5 I can't remember)
DDL (latches onto weak excuses to lynch townies like GMan, Boo, Tink. Vocal against Fred. Early coordination inconsistency. People I suspect keep town reading him without saying why. Posts lots of fluff about real Pokémon, which isn't helpful in the slightest. Possible w/w with Wilgy)


Day 8 (after DF and Tink die)

Green
DDL - Didn't bus DF.
GMan - Despite shade on him, he's hunting for real. Jack NK analysis is spot on. Been pointing at DF and all remaining suspects with that.
Boo***** - Didn't bus DF. DDL attack is nonsense. My number one pick for the indy.

Yellow
Wilgy* - Spurts of good behavior. DF trying to lynch him gives WIFOM cred/anticred. Gtth good, especially considering 1 baddie remaining possible indy cause I've seen townier town Wilgy

Orange
Never - Best case scenario, has in fact forgotten how to be a townie.
Dizzy* - Has not tried one bit in 7 days. Feels like ME Diz, not Phenom Diz. Possible indy.

Red
Quin/Dom - The "Tony voters are town" bullshit was in fact a defense of DF. Fits the "nobody to argue with Sprityo over killing dangerous Jack N1" theory cause Dom was inactive.


After the Quin/Never/Diz deaths, rainbow would have been the same w/Doc on bottom.




@ ToD:
Meh on Tony
N/A on Jack
Wrong on Timmer
Right on Speed
Meh on Sprityo
Right on LC
Right on Eloh
Right/wavering on Nutella
Wrong/wavering on Fred
Right/wavering on DF
Right on Tink
Right on Mac
Right on Dizzy, taking known numbers of 1 scum remaining into account. Wrong on Dizzy based upon pure color read.
Wrong on Quin
Wrong on Never
Right on DDL
Right on GMan
Right on Boo
Right on Wilgy

12 good reads and 4 bad reads is an alright performance, esp considering I couldn't talk all game.

Quin looked bad. He looked bad for reasons that weren't even noticed, like saying Tony voters (DF) were likely town and spending time asking dead people questions without catching up fully. I get the mislynch there. Had him as mafia suspect uno w/Doc as suspect dos.

Not sure why anyone thought DDL or GMan was bad. Placed them at 100% and 90% town, respectively.

When DDL lynched DF, that did not look like a bus and it wasn't. When DF went all in on lynching Doc after he was already screwed....that whole bit should have been seen as WIFOM, not reason to think Wilgy was town.

Oh, town. Ball dropped.

Curious to see the Mewtwo role.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:46 am I tried to fix the poll. How weird is this?


Joy (The Hosts, the Non, the Dead)
5
83%


Voters: Jackofhearts2005Jackofhearts2005Jackofhearts2005Jackofhearts2005, Epignosis



It should work now.

Well, I am a Trump supporter, so...

/sarcasm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:00 pm Any way we could get a deadchat somewhere? That'd be cool.

Link me if you get one.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:20 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:09 pm I just unwon a game of mafia.

https://forums.hero-academia.com/thread ... 14/page-48

I can feel your pain. I got recruited after clearing myself as a survivor and securing a win in ASOUE.

That really sucked. We were so close.

goodnight sweet prince

Good luck, town. Charmander out.

To clarify, by "people" you mean Fred and Tony?

Tony was town. Are you saying Fred's vote was questionable?

@DDL

What people?

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:28 am @Gman

I don't see it.

I voted just after posting this:

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:54 pm I like lynch drama.

I like lynching baddies.

@Gman

I don't see it.

Ebwop:

anD excuse.

I don't necessarily think Boo is bad based on that one post an excuse. Could go either way (real excuse or fake) and I don't know Boo well. I could go for a Boo lynch in general or maybe a Timmer one.

I think LC is town. I think Speed is town, probably. Good feelings from Nut and Doc but only feelings, which can't be trusted. Can't place Fred yet.

I think GMan and Dizzy voting for me hurts them in my book. Still townread Dizzy cause I really liked their plan as town indicative. Sprityo gets a pass for voting for me, though I think it's a bad idea.

Really bothered by the idea that three people voted me for unstated reasons. Like watching your goalie sitting down and playing with grass while the team is on offense. Sure, it might not have any bad results in terms of final score but you just gotta wonder what's going on back there.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:17 pm Feeling better about DDL.

Hate the votes for no reason.

Your reputation precedes you, Jack

*jazz hands*

Sprityo, I just want to be the very best, like no one ever was.

Is that such a crime?

Can people post their votes on thread? Helps the town imo.

Also helps the mod since no time stamps on votes.

Feeling better about DDL.

Hate the votes for no reason.

Voted Mac.


Tony was online today on the Realms. Also, I refuse to screw over Dom a 4th time in our 5 games together. Got enough people who never trust me as is.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:54 pm @all if you had to lynch DDL or JoH which one?

@all if you had to lynch TSP, Dom or Mac which one?

DDL, is JoH on your team?

DDL.

Mac. I can tell when Tony and Dom are good sometimes. I've seen good Mac only and it didn't look like standard good to me.

I will say that Tony has been active in HCRealms games, lately, and shouldn't need a replacement.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:04 pm I think voting for people who didn't even post is a waste. They are likely to get replaced eventually. We learn next to nothing from those lynches.

I kinda disagree.

Mass Effect was partially determined by some weak replacement of townies.

I had a hell of a hard time finding mafia in the last Hybridity game as two of the four mafia members replaced out and basically got to skate for ~4 phases.

With 24 hour phases, is a prompt replacement realistic?

Who's lynch so you think we'd learn the most from at this point? Already knowing my alignment and having not tied any two other players together, a silent lynch tells me roughly the same thing as any other, that is "the alignment of a player."

Of course, there's stuff yet to be learned in the actual choosing of a specific player.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:42 amCause you told me you didn't want points.

No?

What you actually said was "I prefer VT roles" but then (and I forgot this bit) you went on like "but plz vote for me."

My bad.

@Fred/LC

Can you explain why that is pingy?

I have opinions on very few players.

Tony, Dom, Mac haven't even posted.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:12 pm Coordinating is not game-breaking. Sorry Jack.

But I must disagree. Coordinating, even without confirmed results, still provides RESULTS. And that's what we want. We want evolutions to happen. We want Raichus and Venasaur and Charizard and whatever else, I haven't played pokemon.

My daughter's "favorite pokemon" is Ash.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:55 pm The main reason I'm not voting for DDL is because he's got so much more content than anyone else, it seems like a really stupid move if I'm town and he's town.

A handful of slight pings does not necessarily make someone scum. If everyone was equal and DDL had this many pings, I'd toss down a vote.

As is, that feels like giving free reign to anyone who just coasts. I'd rather end up with scum DDL in the late game and a fair chance to catch him than scum some quiet person that I still won't have a bead on.

EBWOP

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:55 pm If there's no way to hold people accountable for their evolution votes, then how exactly is coordinating useful to us anymore? This plan was de-fanged when Epi said we couldn't confirm evolutions.

I guess I missed this. Agreed. Oh well.

I'll try to break the next game, too.

The main reason I'm not voting for DDL is because he's got so much more content than anyone else, it seems like a really stupid move if I'm town.

A handful of slight pings does not necessarily make someone scum. If everyone was equal and DDL had this many pings, I'd toss down a vote.

As is, that feels like giving free reign to anyone who just coasts. I'd rather end up with scum DDL in the late game and a fair chance to catch him than scum some quiet person that I still won't have a bead on.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:21 pm Nah. I think youre town.

And I dont think you are saying town arent allowed to disagree, but you seem to be under the impression there is a hard limit on how much Im allowed to bicker with you if I say I agree with your idea. There isnt, Ill bicker with you everytime you say something I think its wrong no matter how much Im willing to cooperate with you.

Btw, the ship of coordinating the second round of evolution votes is about to sail too, in case you haven't noticed.

It's more like you say "I agree.....but nobody else does" when people aren't actually saying one thing or the other or "I agree.....but I'm skeptical" without saying why or "I agree......but let's not actually coordinate."

Feels like you don't want the town to coordinate but you don't want to actually argue for that, like you want to appear to be trying to help while actually sabotaging.

This is in contrast to say, DF, who just disagrees.

I don't see a good reason for everyone to not at least say who they are giving points to.

If you don't specifically trust anyone putting forth a list enough to follow their lead, that's fine. If we can't get our act together, that's not ideal but it's understandable.

I want to hear reasons players want to hold these cards close to the vest...or cards on the table.



I'll give a point to Dizzy tonight. I think the "I don't want points" thing isn't quite accurate.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:55 pm What is thunderdoming

I take it to mean both of us going all out on the idea that the other should be lynched.

@Fred

This is the only game I'm in.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:06 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:38 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:33 pm

I can't argue against your own perception. Do whatever you want.

So you choose a straw man instead? :-/

What strawman?

Youre saying I look dishonest. I can say nothing but shrug. Ive explained everything I did in this game, if you dont believe it there is nothing I can do.

"Jack thinks I am bad because I disagreed with him and won't do as he says. Townies are allowed to disagree."

Fredwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:39 pm Hey everyone, My cousin had his birthday yesterday, and I wasn't in a positing state of mind after 6 Whiskey Sours and a couple shots of vodka and a brownie sundae. Will catch up. I had got a few pages in and realized it wasn't Day 0 any longer RIP.

You should try posting to mafia games drunk.

I don't know if it helps but it's fun.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:33 pm

I can't argue against your own perception. Do whatever you want.

So you choose a straw man instead? :-/

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:24 am @Jack

1- Agreeing with the concept of coordination =/= agreeing that you unilaterally decide who we vote for and we just follow you.

2- Agreeing =/= not asking questions or considering possible problems and just saying "yes sir" the moment you propose it.

I'm not your slave. And there isn't a contract saying that the moment I agree with your original idea I have to follow everything you say without questioning.

If your definition of "scum" is "does not obey you", then go ahead. Put your vote where your mouth is and vote for me.

How many people agreed we should coordinate our points in some way and how many disagreed with me?

How many people agreed with my specific list and how many disagreed with it?

How many of the people disagreeing with me on one of those points have I said I scumread?

How many people agreeing with me have I said I townread?

This is definitely not about disagreement. It's about inconsistency, the appearance of dishonesty.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:32 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:24 am

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:20 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:17 am

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:59 am Well shit, sorry to Nutella who i accidentally lynched. Got confused about what that was.

I panicked for a second, but you only voted for nutella, didn't lynch her. And I think votes are changeable in this game.

You're going to hate me, can you explain the votes to me again? It's amazing how much I've forgotten in 2-3 years. So what is that vote for? Will there be another vote up for the lynch?

It is a vote for the lynch. But just a single vote.

At the deadline on the above poll, the player with the most votes will be lynched. You can change your vote at any time up till then. So it's not really something worth apologizing for. We'll all have votes on us at one point or another.

Speak for yourself.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:51 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:29 am JoH, at what point do you accept something that's half assed? What percent completion?

Can you be more specific?

Accept that it sucks? That it's good enough?

At what point do you stop caring when something is not up to your standard? Are ideal situations achievable? is a better question.

Depends on the situation. Evaluation of doable...ness and importance are separate. Spin them together and get how much effort I am willing to put into achieving a given ideal.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:29 am JoH, at what point do you accept something that's half assed? What percent completion?

Can you be more specific?

Accept that it sucks? That it's good enough?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:26 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:39 pm @DDL

Do YOU think coordination is a good idea?

Yes

Yeah?

Cause you keep arguing against it. This is why I think you are bad.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:08 am @Dizzy

From experience, whatever night powers mafia gets from evolution will probably pale in comparison to the advantage of knowing what the town power roles are and killing them before they can act. So Id rather keep the votes secret.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:13 am Hmm you make a good point, that not doing the public votes will mean we have less powers altogether.

Now Im not sure.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:29 am Well if we can get universal coordination you are right. That gives us a small poll of scum if they choose to betray us.

I will join if such a coordination happens. Right now Im skeptical about it.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:10 pm Boo
Gman
Dizzy
Nutella
Speedchuck
DF

Thats my proposed list. You guys post yours. I propose we make a deadline for it and then everyone sends their votes. Is 3 hours before the end of N0 good enough?

^This is the opposite of coordination this close to the deadline.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:32 pm Oh nvm there are already people saying "fuck consensus" and sending their votes.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:11 pm I suppose the whole cordination thing has been flushed down the toilet, since half of the voters did not say who they were voting for.

Did anyone evolve? Or were told they got points (are we even allowed to reveal those things)?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:36 pm I mean nothing is stopping us from coordinating this phase tbh but it seems half the players are not interested on it.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:55 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:59 pm
This is a good idea.

I submit the pool as: Fred, Tony, LC, Nutella, Speed.

Why not me, the only one you've expressed to think is town?

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:26 pmI'm not fine with putting such a strategy together based solely on one person's preferences. If Jack wants a list, let's all submit five or six names and select the ones that appear the most. If the plan can indeed thumb the scale in our favor, then it's too important to be nonchalant about picking names.

Yeah, it shouldn't be because of one person's preference, it should be more consensus. All in all, coordinating D0 votes in a reasonable way wasn't going to happen with so little time and many players not showing up. We could do it N1.

Cause you told me you didn't want points.

@DDL

Do YOU think coordination is a good idea?

I gave my point to Tony.

Coordinating beforehand is good. Forcing the mafia to admit who they picked or lie so they can't just give points to their teammates with zero risk is better.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:21 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:17 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:56 pm I don't have any reads, so I don't trust anyone at this point. It's an intriguing idea if it is carried out democratically. Jack's arbitrary list just doesn't sit well with me. That's not a knock against Jack; just a knock against arbitrary lists.

Why do you think my list is arbitrary?

Because you decided it on your own. That's the definition or arbitrary.

Arbitrary - Based on randomness or personal whim.

My list is not arbitrary.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:55 pm I was trying to get us to decide on a list by democracy.

Now we are all forced to follow jack's list. Assuming this coordination thing still has a chance to work.

I feel like we were already forced by the clock.

Democracy is fine for the next round of evo points.