The Syndicate

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:15 pm I loved Marmot's game, but I do admit there were too many strong Power Roles for Town and made it almost impossible for a scum team to win. It's hard to balance a role madness game, but sometimes you have to give weaker roles or one shot things rather than several shots to everyone (Long Con had 3 powers, Quin had 3 shots, etc), and some roles that can be negative to town to balance the numbers. Also, I found speedchuck's win stipulation a little extreme. I mean, Mesk and malakim got a win from this game (I'm assuming sig didn't and was not simply accidentally written out from the winners post although Jay included him in the PM he sent out) and speedchuck didn't. 3p role is hard, esp one with 0 abilities whatsoever. I would have personally allowed him to win for simply surviving till the end with either faction considering he has no abilities to draw him closer to his win. And speedchuck made a hell of an effort.

I consider Long Con's bus driving save night 1 legit, but Sloonei to stop any lynch, Quin to be unkillable any 3 nights he chooses, Epi to survive first kill on him lynch or NK (and the ability for Chimborazo to borrow that ability?), and me to become immune to all night kills a few too many indestructible roles and makes it probably frustrating for the scum team. Also, Everest's role to be passed down indefinitely, while it never got down to that, but I also considered that too much in Town's favor. The Day 1 no lynch in the event of a tie was also a bit town-favored. Also, this game had masons. Imagine if DDL and Daisy had found each other.

I'm happy we won, I put a lot of effort into this game but I do think the odds were stacked against scum from the get-go so shout out to the scum team for lasting as long as they did tbh.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:17 am Yeah by that point we were throwing hail mary passes. It was evident we had very few routes to victory after about the third failed kill.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:40 am but also FOR FUCK'S SAKE GUYS, I STOPPED THE DAY 2 LYNCH!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:21 pm I don't want this to sound critical of Marmot in any way becauase it's not. Just an observation I made this game and a note about personal preference. The reason I felt confident Malakim was town was actually this post:

Spoiler: show

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:06 am

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:58 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:05 am

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:04 am A janitor in this game. Very interesting.

Though I suspect the Martian is involved with that. Too many secrets.

Going to bed now, will poke back after some sleep.

All night kills are automatically janitored.

Oh! Well, that is interesting. Wasn't that way in either Mass Effect or SF, which is why I was surprised. Hmmm.

Yes, many Syndicate games in the past have done this: all nightkills being janitored.

I may reconsider that mechanic in future games, but will continue employing it here.

It wasn't just that he was confused about the nightkill mechanics, but also that he got a response from the host in the thread. It suggested to me that malakim's ignorance of the nightkill mechanics was genuine and that he had no hand in carrying them out, or else Marmot wouldn't have been compelled to respond here. It's a tiny thing, but any host interaction has the potential to reveal information. This one gave me a hint about a player's role that I should not have had.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:26 am
I still really want to lynch Jack. I need to reevaluate my reads

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:05 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:20 pm Also I am a suspect to you because you believe I bussed Jay. How can you treat my line of suspicion as illegitimate? We're looking for the same thing; it's just our results that are different.

No. You're a suspect to me because

1) I believe Jimmy and Dom/Mal are w/w and you voted to save Dom/Mal. Worse, you did so with no reasoning or conviction.

2) You voted Wilgy with all my other suspects instead of Jimmy or Speed, which no explanation, creating a scenario where the only town read of mine between the three of them was more likely to be lynched as of an hour before EOD.

3) You keep handwaiving the incredibly strong cases against Mal (obviously saved by Jimmy) and Quin (obviously trying to save Mal and then Jimmy and refuses to say why).


I don't actually care one way or another about your vote for Jimmy. If you hadn't voted or said anything at all, the outcome would be the same.

You sure like to push this narrative, but we all know that you're just lazy.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:02 am we're best friends and he's invited to my wedding.

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:31 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:22 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:51 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:14 am I just went from 1 simple order this week to four orders (3 of them pretty elaborate) so I'm a little overwhelmed but thankful for such work so close to Christmas.

I just realized that you probably actually do make cakes.

Why yes. Yes, I do. www.facebook.com/LittleMissCakesNC

Link doesn't work

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:21 pm Well, hell.

I hosted the damn game and had to go back and look.

My thought was that malakim2099 was faking the "janitor" thing because he played in Street Fighter and was bad. I don't reveal the identities of the killed my games usually, but Street Fighter was an exception, and that was the only game of mine malakim2099 ever played in.

Therefore:

Second, malakim2099 looked genuinely confused at there not being a Night kill reveal.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:10 pm

Spoiler: show

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:17 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:40 am If I do end up dead, a few parting words:

~ Any civilians who helped to kill me -- it's alright. I don't blame you. I understand that I have been a different player in this game and that is inherently going to generate suspicion. I'm over it.

~ Second, the activity level in this game has been fantastic to this point. The best thing the civilians can do moving forward is to maintain that through the finish. Do not let this game thread stagnate. That is the single best way to let a mafia team get comfortable.

~ Epi and Jack are full of shit right now. Press them on it when I'm gone. I'd also list Wilgy as a premier suspect.

~ My top town reads are Sloonei, dunya, and Quin.

~ I think speedchuck and malakim handled themselves well in this day phase, particularly toward the end. I'm less thrilled with Long Con.

~ Please at least give my ISOs a look, their primary value is as legacy and that's the whole point.

Three remaining scum.

He names 8 players

Epi, Jack, Wilgy - anitown

sloonei, dunya, Quin - town

speedchuck, mal - positive things

long con - negative things

People he did not name at all in his "legacy post":
Elo
Kyle
insertnamehere
colonialbob
sig
nutella
DDL

Three scum remaining, it's a pick and mix. No way he didn't name all 3 of his team mates in that post and no way he would name all 3.

I'm going to start with the people he not name and list them from least scummy to most scummy in my head as of now, with the exception of insertnamehere (insert angry face emoji here)

sig
DDL
colonialbob
Elo
insertnamehere
Kyle
nutella

I wanted to place insertnamehere in the middle, but I actually feel much better about Elo today after reading some of her past civ games, so I'll place him one spot under here.

Potential suspects from this pool imo are:
INH
Kyle
nutella

I'm a little baffled as to why he didn't name nutella amongst "top town read", or colonialbob in any read, especially after his iso of him, since it's (the fact he didn't means he's not even really paying attention to bob imo, despite being slightly pro-bob all game....). I can't extend that same excuse to nutella, since she's literally been a "top town read" in everyone's lists and she was attacking him all kinds of harsh that eod phase. He couldn't have forgotten about her. He wanted us to forget about her. The one thing that clears nutella slightly for me is how hard Jay went after sprityo (my alter ego) for voting for her! He was hoping to lynch him fast and it all revolved around nutella. I feel awkward about that, because a sprityo lynch would be a town flip; and I don't think he'd want to be that wrong about someone over another scum member.

This post is a massive ball of WIFOM and I'm not sure why you'd even try to analyze it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:06 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:50 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:47 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:02 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:05 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:26 pm No hesitation in supporting Dom's lynch. I remain opposed to the idea of lynching malakim.

Sloonei, you may have already covered this but I have real problems with this assumption.

What I've noticed with traditional distancing is that a lot of scum like to keep their suspicious partners as "suspects."

This means if the town is hunting for 2 baddies, putting a teammate 3rd from the bottom in your rainbow. This means saying that you'll vote for a teammate or that they're the best option but ultimately not voting for them.

Why do you think Jay is not doing the later to Mal? Jimmy says he'd lynch Mal now if it was EOD but no matter how many times he was pushed, he refused to actually do so.

That screams "scumbuddies" to me.

I agree. I just disagree that malakim is the likely teammate. Sig and colonialbob look like better choices to me, and I'm also open to DrWilgy.

Why do you disagree?

Why was Jimmy after Mesk so hard if a townie Mal lynch would have been just as good for him?

I just gave one of my reasons for reading Mal as town in the first of my three consecutive posts above.

I think you're exaggerating Jay's role in the Mesk lynch. I could be misremembering, but as I recall he was largely a follower on the bandwagon. He said more about Mesk than others, but only because we were making him talk the most. He seized the Mesk wagon because it existed. He was saving himself, not Dom.

The highlight of the Mesk lynch was Epi and Jimmy butting heads over which of the two to lynch. Jimmy ended up looking really bad over this and did not look really bad prior.

He absolutely pushed for Mesk to die over Mal, not himself.

Not how I saw it. Epi and I started to pressure Jay long before Mesk emerged as a target ("long before" relative to the EoD pace). I pressured Jay to vote for the "player he was most suspicious of" and he chose Elohcin. Epi, nutella, myself, and I think somebody else all voted for Jay sometime during all of this. Dom faded to the background and was all but dropped as a suspect.
Quin then came in to present Mesk as a candidate. Jay seized on that, and Epi questioned him on this vote, drawing Dom as a comparable candidate and one who Jay had expressed more reasons in-thread to lynch. The argument over Dom/Mesk between Epi and Jay was about Jay's inconsistencies with regards to Mesk, rather than any alleged protection of Dom. Epi was backing him into a corner based on his Mesk vote. Jay was swinging wildly to justify voting for Mesk because that's what Epi was questioning him on and he had to say something that might seem plausible. He didn't.

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:27 pm I have to say, Jack doesn't make much pairing sense with other suspects I have. I have to gather my thoughts. When is night ending???

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:05 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:20 pm Also I am a suspect to you because you believe I bussed Jay. How can you treat my line of suspicion as illegitimate? We're looking for the same thing; it's just our results that are different.

No. You're a suspect to me because

1) I believe Jimmy and Dom/Mal are w/w and you voted to save Dom/Mal. Worse, you did so with no reasoning or conviction.

2) You voted Wilgy with all my other suspects instead of Jimmy or Speed, which no explanation, creating a scenario where the only town read of mine between the three of them was more likely to be lynched as of an hour before EOD.

3) You keep handwaiving the incredibly strong cases against Mal (obviously saved by Jimmy) and Quin (obviously trying to save Mal and then Jimmy and refuses to say why).


I don't actually care one way or another about your vote for Jimmy. If you hadn't voted or said anything at all, the outcome would be the same.

You're overreacting to my wilgy vote. I voted for speedchuck to breathe life into the thread. I liked speedchuck's response to things, so I moved to wilgy just to feel it out. I didn't like it, so I went back to Jay, who had been my top suspect for 48 hours. I'll note again that I was the first person to vote for Jay on Day 3. I only moved off him then for personal reasons (not game-related).

It's ridiculous for you to say I'm handwaving at cases against Mal and Quin. I pumped the thread full of all my thoughts regarding Jay's potential teammates and you clearly have not read them. I'm currently engaged in a conversation with you about why I believe Mal is town, and I've named Quin as a fringe suspect, but one who I generally read as town.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:25 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:16 pm Dom's failure to post anything at all is his Thing in recent memory. I do recall though that Kenny Bania (mafia) produced nothing whatsoever. I'm not sure even low-effort civilian games from Dom lately were quite so lacking. I'll check really quick.

I looked at four recent games wherein Dom was a civilian.

TSFQ - civilian - more useful in general, though it took a while

posts

Gatsby - civilian - very brief posts, only barely relevant content

posts

Night Vale - civilian - crapload of posts, comparison probably isn't sensible, it is an outlier for Dom in general

SFII - civilian - few posts, but relevant

posts

~~~

I don't know that this makes Dom look considerably worse, because there's a decent amount of variance in his brands of lurking. He remains a default suspect if little else.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:20 pm Also I am a suspect to you because you believe I bussed Jay. How can you treat my line of suspicion as illegitimate? We're looking for the same thing; it's just our results that are different.

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:22 am scenario 1:

Long Con
5
29%
Voters: Elohcin, colonialbob, nutella, Sloonei, Kylemii


nutella
6
35%
Voters: sprityo, speedchuck, Jackofhearts2005, Long Con, Quin, Dragon D. Luffy
Quin

speedchuck + Jack mafia team with nutella (and Jay). one of Jack and speed is Sutter Buttes imo.

it would have been 5/5 at the end of the day and according to Marmot, no lynch is the result of a tie at the end of Day 1.

Percentage I think is possible: high percentage.

Going through alternative scenarios....

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:02 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:52 amNo.

I explained my suspects in way too much detail there, but I also largely ignored Jay's Day 4 ISOs because I'm viewing them as pure, unfiltered wifom. I did make the same observation as you that wilgy was the only target who he offered a definitive read on, though. I would expect Jay to want to bus a teammate or two, and I would likewise expect a teammate or two to want to bus Jay.
colonialbob's interactions fit this model best of anyone, in my opinion. They sort of hovered around one another on Days 2 & 3, without ever really delivering any criticism of one another. Jay labeled bob as "not a town read" after I came up with my initial Bob case, but that suspicion fell completely off the map afterwards. Until Day 4, when suddenly bob was apparently highly confident in Jay's badness; confident enough to attack another player (DDL) for appearing to defend Jay, but somehow not confident enough to vote for him on his own. Jay, meanwhile, offered an ISO that was far more critical of bob than he had been prior and even made one point in particular that was directly opposed to a stance he had taken earlier in the game, when presumably BaddieJimmyJay would have wanted to keep his partners out of harm's way. I could not help but sense a shift in the way each of them approached one another on Night 3/Day 4.

Sig was the low-posting suspect who Jay repeatedly named, but never pursued in any serious manner. Dom/malakim and sprityo/dunya were both players who Jay actively tried to lynch at one point or another.

I agree with much of what you have to say about wilgy, but I do not disregard the possibility that the two of them as partners conspired to maximize the distance between them in the thread. It would have been fairly elaborate, but that's not something I would put past either of them.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:47 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:02 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:05 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:00 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:55 pm How about Dom? He's a great lynch, am I right?

If the deadline was in five seconds I'd vote for Dom.

No hesitation in supporting Dom's lynch. I remain opposed to the idea of lynching malakim.

Sloonei, you may have already covered this but I have real problems with this assumption.

What I've noticed with traditional distancing is that a lot of scum like to keep their suspicious partners as "suspects."

This means if the town is hunting for 2 baddies, putting a teammate 3rd from the bottom in your rainbow. This means saying that you'll vote for a teammate or that they're the best option but ultimately not voting for them.

Why do you think Jay is not doing the later to Mal? Jimmy says he'd lynch Mal now if it was EOD but no matter how many times he was pushed, he refused to actually do so.

That screams "scumbuddies" to me.

I agree. I just disagree that malakim is the likely teammate. Sig and colonialbob look like better choices to me, and I'm also open to DrWilgy.

Why do you disagree?

Why was Jimmy after Mesk so hard if a townie Mal lynch would have been just as good for him?

I just gave one of my reasons for reading Mal as town in the first of my three consecutive posts above.

I think you're exaggerating Jay's role in the Mesk lynch. I could be misremembering, but as I recall he was largely a follower on the bandwagon. He said more about Mesk than others, but only because we were making him talk the most. He seized the Mesk wagon because it existed. He was saving himself, not Dom.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:02 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:05 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:00 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:55 pm How about Dom? He's a great lynch, am I right?

If the deadline was in five seconds I'd vote for Dom.

No hesitation in supporting Dom's lynch. I remain opposed to the idea of lynching malakim.

Sloonei, you may have already covered this but I have real problems with this assumption.

What I've noticed with traditional distancing is that a lot of scum like to keep their suspicious partners as "suspects."

This means if the town is hunting for 2 baddies, putting a teammate 3rd from the bottom in your rainbow. This means saying that you'll vote for a teammate or that they're the best option but ultimately not voting for them.

Why do you think Jay is not doing the later to Mal? Jimmy says he'd lynch Mal now if it was EOD but no matter how many times he was pushed, he refused to actually do so.

That screams "scumbuddies" to me.

I agree. I just disagree that malakim is the likely teammate. Sig and colonialbob look like better choices to me, and I'm also open to DrWilgy.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:56 am

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:04 am A janitor in this game. Very interesting.

Though I suspect the Martian is involved with that. Too many secrets.

Going to bed now, will poke back after some sleep.

The surprise and unawareness of the nightkill mechanics in this game malakim displayed here appear genuine and believable to me. I think he's a townie who believed for a fleeting moment that we had a janitor in this game, or that the nightkill was carried out by Olympus Mons. If he was scum he would have been clued into their target and would presumably be aware of his team's full complement of abilities.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:38 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:35 am Question for Sloonei: if you think JJJ told his teammates to bus him D3, doesn't every suspicion of JJJ expressed D3 instantly become worthless because it's potential bussing?

Nope. It's our job as responsible townies to suss out the honest suspicions from the false ones.

Second: if all his teammates were bussing him why were there so many Wilgy and Speed votes until very late in the phase?

Townies can be uncertain, or wrong, or vote for mafia members not called JaggedJimmyJay. And it's possible not all of his teammates were on the bus.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:16 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:35 am Question for Sloonei: if you think JJJ told his teammates to bus him D3, doesn't every suspicion of JJJ expressed D3 instantly become worthless because it's potential bussing?

Second: if all his teammates were bussing him why were there so many Wilgy and Speed votes until very late in the phase?

Have you read my response to this?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:35 am Question for Sloonei: if you think JJJ told his teammates to bus him D3, doesn't every suspicion of JJJ expressed D3 instantly become worthless because it's potential bussing?

Second: if all his teammates were bussing him why were there so many Wilgy and Speed votes until very late in the phase?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:12 pm I regret not pursuing colonialbob more over the last couple of days. I never heard a good argument in favor of him being town and I haven't changed my mind on him. Digging through Jay Mountain only strengthened my read. Does anybody have an argument for colonialbob to be town?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:22 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:05 am That I've come up with colonialbob as my primary suspect on two different occasions and based upon two totally separate lines of investigation in this game is borderline overwhelming. At this point I'll be shocked if he's town and I'll owe him a tremendous apology.

"You're not Nightblue."

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:02 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:05 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:00 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:55 pm How about Dom? He's a great lynch, am I right?

If the deadline was in five seconds I'd vote for Dom.

No hesitation in supporting Dom's lynch. I remain opposed to the idea of lynching malakim.

Sloonei, you may have already covered this but I have real problems with this assumption.

What I've noticed with traditional distancing is that a lot of scum like to keep their suspicious partners as "suspects."

This means if the town is hunting for 2 baddies, putting a teammate 3rd from the bottom in your rainbow. This means saying that you'll vote for a teammate or that they're the best option but ultimately not voting for them.

Why do you think Jay is not doing the later to Mal? Jimmy says he'd lynch Mal now if it was EOD but no matter how many times he was pushed, he refused to actually do so.

That screams "scumbuddies" to me.

I agree. I just disagree that malakim is the likely teammate. Sig and colonialbob look like better choices to me, and I'm also open to DrWilgy.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:20 pm you know what I like this night phase, Jack hasn't shut up. This is a good thing.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:06 pm I wanna do cbob and Jack before I go to sleep.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:23 pm I don't care what you'll all say about that "mislynch" episode, but the fact is: Epi's post was all about lynching him (sure, mislynch was implied, but even EPI who is sure of his own towniness didn't use that word....), LC responded by using "lynch" too, because LC believes Epi would be a lynching not a mislynch. If Jack really believed Epi was scum, then lynching him wouldn't be a mislynch.

... Jack has a lot of other question marks around him. ...

Quin seems town.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:17 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:12 pm I regret not pursuing colonialbob more over the last couple of days. I never heard a good argument in favor of him being town and I haven't changed my mind on him. Digging through Jay Mountain only strengthened my read. Does anybody have an argument for colonialbob to be town?

According to himself he was one of the main forces in restarting the Jay lynch.

Dubious and borderline irrelevant given my concern that Jay was primed for a bus.
where has he made this bold claim?

I doubt the realism of your theory when there were two players with 3-5 votes each and Jay was lagging at third place.

Why bussing him at all?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:00 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:55 pm How about Dom? He's a great lynch, am I right?

If the deadline was in five seconds I'd vote for Dom.

No hesitation in supporting Dom's lynch. I remain opposed to the idea of lynching malakim.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:59 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:55 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:42 pm I called Epi's case bad. Which it was. You've just rejected the "why" for that perspective because [insert some dumb reason here]. I'm not defending myself because I don't need to. You're in a tunnel. Get out of it.

What is the why?

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:48 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:46 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:43 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:41 am

Got none. Epi's case just sucks.

what sucks about it?

It rejects common sense.

How so?

<------------------------------

No reason provided.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:54 am "Jay lynched Mesk over Dom even though he had a GTH town read on Mesk because Mesk had posts and that's suspicious" was his case. That's not even a misrepresentation.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:10 am What is worse for me is that 3J elected to vote Mesk over Dom because...Mesk had more to say? That's shit, and 3J should know it's shit.

That's a bad case and he should feel bad for making it.

No reason provided.

I said why once. Good enough for me. Unless you're interested in turning me into a cheap lynch, you'll look for yourself.