The Syndicate

[mention]speedchuck[/mention]
Shoulda lynched Simon like I said to.

Really annoying knowing Simon was bad but having fuck all posts to make the arguement.

Had the same problem after copping Dom town so when Mac replaced in, I threw out a heavy town read on him again based on like nothing.

I mean, making bullshit points when you have info is a skill (see: Jimmy this game) but I haven't really developed it.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:46 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:37 am my rainbow that's not a rainbow but a GTH that includes neutral list.

good feelings
dunya
Glorfindel
Jackofhearts2005
JaggedJimmyJay
Kylemii
lapluie
Long Con
MacDougall - Lynched Day 1 - Scorpion
rabbit8
sig - Lynched Day 2 - Kabal
Sloonei - Killed Night 1

neutral feelings
Dave - who?
Dom (seriously? he's been inactive in almost every game I have played in. )
DrWilgy - I have cases for and against Wilgy, leaning more town, haven't made my mind up yet but probably town.
Elohcin* I don't think Eloh is scum, but she might be an independent. She really hasn't pinged me so much, but that's because she has been pretty quiet and unlike her games in Mountains or Vocaroo. Has she been an independent before on here?
Made - unmemorable? leaning town, but really unmemorable.
Quin too many weirdness to be scum atm. I don't know. Probably town tbh.
TonyStarkPrime - not sure where to place him. he's a real neutral read for me atm. I liked his response to speed's accusations against him. Put him slightly higher up in my neutrals

bad feelings
Marmot - holding back, something seems amiss.
nutella - reminds me of search for quin nutella
Simon - not impressed by his contributions.
speedchuck - feels like he's trying too hard to look town. It's not appearing effortless. Like hey "look at what I'm trying to do". Could be scum or loner. I have to ISO today to see how I feel because some posts even those directed towards me look townie posts, but I'm very wary of speed so...
novaselinenever - not sure how I feel about tightlipped players. Reminds me of RadicalFuzz last game. Don't like it, leaning anti-town.
@dunya
Just want to throw this out there.

@dunya

Oh and [mention]Epignosis[/mention] damn fun game. Nice setup and lots of fun roles and events. Glad it came down to the wire.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:25 am
lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:40 am Quin you were so sus lol
Strongly town read by JOH Day 1. I'd say I broke even.

I wasn't sure why Lap thought you were bad in the end.

GG, [mention]Elohcin[/mention] . I thought you were screwed for sure but you pulled things off.

I respect Speed's gambit. Miscalculated, maybe, but I'd have likely done the same thing in his position, less outting myself the night before (even though nobody but Kyle picked up on it). Eloh was likely going to go down. The town thought the mafia had 2 extra votes. Of the trusted players, several had voiced uneasiness about Speed. Good chance he'd have been lynched poe.

[mention]Glorfindel[/mention] [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]
Well played saving Lap and bagging Nutella, respectively, gents.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:29 pm I'm surprised nobody lynched Eloh

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:10 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:06 pm @Kylemii

really there's only one way to make this endgame more fun
drawings of cats

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:50 pm quin don't ruin this for me they were all gonna draw dogs

I am still dead.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:41 pm General thoughts on Elohcin's handling of my Marmot case yesterday?

I'm not a fan of it. She calls it unconvincing, questions why it isn't better, says she'd rather lynch Wilgy, Lap or Nova....but then votes Marmot.

She never says she thinks the Marmot case is convincing in the slightest.

I could see Eloh in the mafia but if she is, I highly doubt Wilgy and Nova are her teammates. Eloh doesn't play with WIFOM like Wilgy or Marmot from my understanding. I don't see her arguing lynch one of her teammates over another, especially with Goro being second weakest powerwise. Maaaaaaybe press to lynch Goro over Baraka (for instance) but not the other way around.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:10 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:51 pmCause it takes me 3 days to lead a lynch on a universal scumread who doesn't even defend himself.
which player is referred to here?

Me trying to lynch Simon.

To expand upon this, if Mac is bad, what does he gain by trying to push on people who just aren't going to get lynched?

If he's good, picking up his tinfoils is natural.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:14 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:03 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:31 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:19 am WAY better than my second ability. Actually, mine turned out very well. Welcome back, Mac! Shaaaame on you, Dom!

Mac, who should we vote for next?
Speedchuck.

No but really I see JOH and Speedchuck are unanimous town reads so I would appreciate a cliffnotes as to why so I can get out of this tunnel.
Jack has been a consistent town read for me since.... fairly early. mostly due to tone. Speedchuck was a nullread until yesterday when he changed his mind about marmot, which put him slightly more towards good, in my mind.

Jack I think is probably town. Speed is in a gray area but leaning town.
If Jack is so good then why is he still alive hmmmm?

Cause it takes me 3 days to lead a lynch on a universal scumread who doesn't even defend himself.

Clearly I am unthreatening and the mafia should kill someone else.

I like Mac's opening a lot. I think he's town.

Alternative vote analysis:

We should have 10 non mafia vs 3 mafia.

10 non mafia votes, +1 Liu Kang (maybe) +ties Kung Lao (maybe) -1 (or -2 if he hits Liu Kang) Baraka and -1 for Shang Sung copying Baraka (50% chance the timing is right to use this). If you call Kung Lao basically a voice, this evens out to 9-10 non mafia votes. Minus Quin, Dave and Dom is 7 non mafia votes.

3 mafia votes. -1 Smoke (maybe). 2-3 mafia votes.

Assumptions are no additional vote powers, Kano being pro town until mafia has only 1 guy left, Ermac being pro town, good guys targeting well when it would otherwise be mylo.

Basically, the rez and the Nutella lynch amount to 2 skipped night phases while the Simon and Marmot lynches amount to 3 votes gone. So we were at mylo but lynching 3 mafia votes and skipping 2 night phases lets us afford a few mislynches. We've already used one on Nutella.

Pretty dang likely to not be mafia
Jack
LC
Lap
Kyle
Jimmy
Quin
Dom
Speedchuck
Dave

Everyone else
Made
Eloh
Wilgy
Nova

3 scum left. I'm pretty comfortable with Wily and Nova as bad.

"Let's go to the bad places first" they said. "Get them out of the way so we don't have to deal with them in endgame" they said.

Good thinking, me.

Obviously, we now have to fight in the middle of New York City, as is tradition for these type of dimension hopping fate of the universe at stake superbattles.

I don't even know what the last couple places did.

I got a feeling tonight's my night, guys.

I think I like this twist on the survivor role. Kano must be protown at some points and must be antitown at others. That is more urgency than a survivor, who does not care and tends to default to town just cause (minus claiming, which hurts the town) and is essentially mafia in and endgame with more than one goon left. Interesting alternative to a bounty hunter, too, who are also too easy to win as and have little urgency.[/ot}

[mention]Elohcin[/mention]

The idea is that bad guys lie and good guys don't so if you catch someone claiming to be neutral and then claiming to be town, they are likely bad and should be lynched.

Did Marmot say he was making a town gambit?

He didn't seem to be that into a Jay lynch until he claimed neutral.

Lynch all liars is way easier than ISOs.

*Change vote Marmot*

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:01 pm Voting DrWilgy to save my skin.

I have too many other things to do, so I doubt I'll have anything else to say the rest of the day. But I urge players to expand their search. There's 4 mafia left. I am not one of them.

Good luck fellow civilians!

Didn't you claim neutral?

[mention]speedchuck[/mention]

I don't think the Marmot case is rock solid....but I like the players voting Marmot better than the ones voting Wilgy.

Maybe we actually have two baddie trains this time. Still need to ISO Marmot.

Jimmy states that Marmot only pushed on unconvincable Nutella voters: Lap, Glor, Made.

Other Nutella voters: Simon (also unconvincable), Wilgy (has only stated a reason for one of his votes and is very likely bad), Nova (has only stated reasoning for one of his votes and is very likely bad) and LC.

So basically, Marmot ignored...just LC.

I find the "targeted fake plea" arguement unconvincing.

The "fake plea cause too little too late" is more convincing.

If one of Jay or Marmot is Kano, I still think it is Jay.

Nova again with the ninja vote. :-/

Guess I'll ISO Marmot.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:16 am I had already outlived my usefulness and am happy to leave now. Good luck to you all - please don’t let my efforts here have been in vain.

You done well, amigo.

That could also be why Jimmy is helping the town if he's Kano btw. Forget boredom. There's a chance he straight up loses if the baddies win yesterday.

That said, the boredom arguement rings false. But not too false.

Agreed with Jimmy it was never going to happen.

Could see a Kano thinking we were about to lose with Jax/Sonya still alive and doing his darndest way too late to switch the lynch....or it being fake.

It was pointed out somewhat late in the day that we were potentially at MYLO. Need to check if Marmot posted between then and his last min push. If so, fake. If not, null.

I'd make a case on Wilgy but it's the same it's been.

Reads that don't make sense and don't appear honest, votes against scum lynches, votes with no explanation, WIFOM instead of hunting.

Jack
LC
Lap
Kyle
[lime]Quin
Speed[/lime]
[yellow]Dom
Eloh
Jimmy (Jesus cist! Why?)
Marmot
Dave
Made[/yellow]
Nova
Wilgy

Fuck yes!

Sorry you're dead Glor but a net zero player loss for the town is oh so sweet.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:27 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:39 am One of Jimmy and Marmot should be bad.

Best case? Like case duel each other.

@Glorfindel

Are you 100% sure Lap is town?
Yes

Noted. If you die right now, thank Mod for computer problems that let you get this post in.

And now a speak preview of every night phase of Fire Emblem Mafia.

"Um...I was running a diagnostics scan on my computer. Sorry for the delay."

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:09 am
lapluie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:33 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:31 am
lapluie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:46 pm maaaan I suck at playing this game I give up
Lol literally nightkill yerself, goon.
why so harsh though? that comment was unnecessary

relax pal it's just a game theres no need to be all tough & act like you're the boss rn telling me to kys because of a mislynch pretty lame & it's not funny.
Only in game. Irl, be good to yourself.

[mention]lapluie[/mention]

But you're right, that was unfairly harsh. It wasn't clear that that only applied in game like "I hope you nightkill yourself instead of a townie cause I think you are mafia," which is how I meant it.

I apologize.

Wilgy probably. Simon for sure but that's taken care of.

lapluie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 3:57 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:33 am
lapluie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:03 pm @TonyStarkPrime
This was explained to you over and over and over and over.

#Youarebad
& the others who voted for nutella aren't bad?

Not Glor or LC.

Maybe Nova and Made. Depends.

lapluie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:33 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:31 am
lapluie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:46 pm maaaan I suck at playing this game I give up
Lol literally nightkill yerself, goon.
why so harsh though? that comment was unnecessary

relax pal it's just a game theres no need to be all tough & act like you're the boss rn telling me to kys because of a mislynch pretty lame & it's not funny.

Only in game. Irl, be good to yourself.

Oh. You meant colors.

I want to keep my yellowness pretty badly ngl.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:09 am Yes, of course.

Also, I wish I had voted Simon in order to be part of an awesome rainbow of player names, instead of the glaring difference in a solid set.

It's cool. You're obvious town.

I think it was the right move, especially if the alternative was just Nutella dying.

One of Jimmy and Marmot should be bad.

Best case? Like case duel each other.

[mention]Glorfindel[/mention]

Are you 100% sure Lap is town?

Wilgy with no posts and on the wrong end of things again.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:32 am Dang.

Well I'm glad Epi helped with the double lynch. What with the mafia losing a vote power, AND Simon, we should have bought a day. Even if Nutella's stupid lynch mitigates that gain somewhat.

I'm not really happy with the way that whole lynch went down, but I've said my piece already on that. Time to hunt based on it.

No, this was ideal.

Reptile counts 2 votes. Cage and the nightkill count 2 votes.

If we had mislynched Nutella tomorrow, we'd take another nightkill, losing 3 town votes to 2 mafia votes.

This allowed us to eliminate Nutella as a suspect AND gain valuable information.

lapluie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:03 pm @TonyStarkPrime

This was explained to you over and over and over and over.

#Youarebad

lapluie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:46 pm maaaan I suck at playing this game I give up

Lol literally nightkill yerself, goon.

While ignoring post after post from several players about why lynching Nutella was a bad idea.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:49 pm Just when you think you can have nice things, you can't have nice things.

Jack's going to have a field day with this one.

Lap and Nova are so bad.

Audience: "HOW BAD ARE THEY?"

So bad that they pushed heavily to lynch a townie while we were at mylo.

lapluie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:38 pm
Made wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:25 pm odds that Nutella and Simon are bad? like is there anything there supporting a theory like that?
Go back & read tony, he made it very clear nutella is mafia.

Gonna just continue to ignore my questions?

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