The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:53 pm You will also note that I didn't carry out the kill for my team a single time. There's a reason for that.

Afraid to get your hands dirty?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:11 am so what happens in the sequel now since sauron succeeded

We have to be the Third Age RPG characters.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:55 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:35 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:40 pm Spent line twenty minutes trying to make a rainbow list on mobile with quotes and smilies and my daughter closed the damn tab.

Fuck it.

Kyle and Mac are bad.

LC and Nutella are meh.

INH, Sloonei, Epi are good.

And of course Glor is good.
No actually I'm civ so I presume the rest of your reads are wrong too

Good assumption.

I'm starting to think I'm not good at catching scum you guys.

Quick. Someone give me another cop role.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:22 pm One thing I learned from this is I should vote my gut if all else fails even if I don't have a good reason. I didn't vote Elo because I didn't feel like I had a good justification. But justification be damned I should have just voted.

I refuse to learn anything from this game.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:15 pm Yes good game. And good to know Jack is good - the vote the way it was set up was a no win. It looks like we had no hope without INH.

I would have maybe voted Eloh today. I have some suspicion of the other two but wasn't going to vote for them.

We basically failed to talk about an alternative to LC. That was a problem because even when you decided LC might be good, there wasn't anywhere to go.

GG mafia.

Sorry, LC. I'll revise my meta of you.

linki: You monster.

If LC was good....mafia, why do you toy with me instead of putting me out of my misery. I would have voted for him anyway.

Fuuuuuuuuu

*online

[mention]juliets[/mention]

Show me where LC looks genuine if that's going to be your play.

[mention]Elohcin[/mention]

I actually suspect Epi of being teamed with LC at this point. There was a tie on LC and someone else Day 1. Epi broke it against LC and LC tied it back up again. That's super easy to fake as buddies. Epi basically didn't mention LC at all between the end of Day 1 and Day 5.

Consider Epi voted for me without making a case.

If Epi is good, he potentially just threw the game because all 3 mafia could pile on me and that's game. (Counterargument: It is 45 min from EOD. Mafia might not be able to hammer. Counter counter argument: Everyone except INH is only.)

Why are the townies not voting?

Mafia could come in and win right now.

If you're town, vote! (Preferably for LC)

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:08 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:49 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:32 pm Jack, I don't suspect you outside of your interactions with Long Con, whom you want dead. I have to consider all angles. I am not arguing against a position no one has taken. I'm raising a concern I have.

How are you so sure of yourself?
Cause mathematically, Speed, Juliets and LC cannot all be town.

If Speed and Juliets are both town then LC is the correct choice because he has to be bad.

If one or both of Speed and Juliets are not town, LC could be town but they would not both back off him because that's trading an easy mislynch and win for freaking nothing.

Ergo, there is no universe where LC is good.

Why are you not drawing the same conclusion. Don't you know you are good? This math should hold from your perspective.
You gave me a lot of "ifs."

So that doesn't mean ther's no universe where LC is good.

I want to hear what other people have to say, but nobody else is talking.

I'm watching a TV program and I'll be back.

I gave you all possible ifs.

Only a few hours to go. Let's do this.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:32 pm Jack, I don't suspect you outside of your interactions with Long Con, whom you want dead. I have to consider all angles. I am not arguing against a position no one has taken. I'm raising a concern I have.

How are you so sure of yourself?

Cause mathematically, Speed, Juliets and LC cannot all be town.

If Speed and Juliets are both town then LC is the correct choice because he has to be bad.

If one or both of Speed and Juliets are not town, LC could be town but they would not both back off him because that's trading an easy mislynch and win for freaking nothing.

Ergo, there is no universe where LC is good.

Why are you not drawing the same conclusion. Don't you know you are good? This math should hold from your perspective.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:26 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:03 pm Epi like "Here are all the reasons why Jack and LC are bad together. Conclusion: Jack may or may not be bad and nobody gets credit for this lynch."

This is dumb. Cause if me, Epi, LC and INH are town, neither Speed nor Juliets is town and they're both giving up the easy win with a LC mislynch because....they suddenly don't want to win?

Gimmie a break.
It isn't dumb. You asked me to trust you today of all Days. If LC gets lynched and is bad, am I supposed to say, "Hot damn, Jack nabbed LC. This is in the Baggins!"

No.

It would be unwise.

You're arguing against a position no one has taken. I don't care about civ cred. I'm a civ and I'm not getting mislynched.

What are your thoughts for how to proceed tomorrow if we get the obvious lynch result and nightkill?

Epi like "Here are all the reasons why Jack and LC are bad together. Conclusion: Jack may or may not be bad and nobody gets credit for this lynch."

This is dumb. Cause if me, Epi, LC and INH are town, neither Speed nor Juliets is town and they're both giving up the easy win with a LC mislynch because....they suddenly don't want to win?

Gimmie a break.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:13 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:04 pm Ok LC I do see what you mean on the Jack issue. But on speed, what about Jack's point re:what is in it for a bad speed to back off of you? Surely if he's bad it's in his best interest to just go ahead with your lynch.
I get that, but LITERALLY at least one of you or speed are guaranteed to be bad. So those kinds of arguments are moot. Baddies do things to look Civvie. One of the Long Con back-offers is doing that. Case closed.

No. If you're good, Speed or Juliets remains "unconvinced" by your pleas because
A) You have townies ready to lynch you right now
B) INH, Jack and Juliets/Speed will not likely be lynched over Eloh, Epi or Juliets/Speed if we correctly determine you are town
C) It wasn't that convincing anyway. Basically pretty please I don't want to die. Scum genuinely don't want to die either.

You are bad.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:53 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:06 am Here's the other problem.

If LC is town, and I'm town and INH is town, only one of Juliets and Speedchuck can possibly be town. So why are two of you trying to save him? He'd be the obvious sacrifice for the easy win. Why turn back?

Maybe Juliets and/or Speedchuck is town and having legit doubts on LC. But the three of you? You can't all be town.
I am having serious doubts about LC and speed seems to be having serious doubts as well. So where does that leave me? With a bad INH? I don't really like that either, his Frodo claim sounded legit, though I don't know INH's game very well. (All I remember is that in one game he said he invented an algorithm or something to tell positively if people were bad which was hilarious.).

Well, tomorrow is another day.

If INH was bad, he'd have been counterclaimed.

For instance, say I was the real Frodo. I'd know that an INH lynch is a guaranteed scum lynch. I'd be all over that. Additionally, the longer INH's claim goes uncontested, the more likely people are to believe him over me when it comes down to it so I should counterclaim immediately.

But nobody counterclaimed. Cause INH is town.

I'm more okay with an LC lynch by the minute.

Here's the other problem.

If LC is town, and I'm town and INH is town, only one of Juliets and Speedchuck can possibly be town. So why are two of you trying to save him? He'd be the obvious sacrifice for the easy win. Why turn back?

Maybe Juliets and/or Speedchuck is town and having legit doubts on LC. But the three of you? You can't all be town.

Every game will go smoother for me if everyone just assumes I'm town.

If LC is town, Epi is bad. It's that simple. The mafia is not Eloh, Juliets, Speedchuck, INH.

So anyone who thinks maybe LC is town now, convince me why Epi is bad.

Cause I genuinely don't see townie LC. He can genuinely not want to get lynched and still be bad.

Still struggling with finding the baddie between Juliets, Speedchuck, INH and Epi.

I probably trust Epi the least but I'm not sure if I could see him as teamed with LC.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:30 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:23 pm I still don't understand who said what in that mess that you guys were posting. I'm ignoring it. If it's important, it should be restated in a way that I can tell who is saying what.
I think mine and Elo's posts are easy enough to understand but LC's is so convoluted I don't know that I can clarify it well. It appears to me that he didn't read the original posts well which makes me think he was just looking for something to jump on. When I get to that part I'll see what I can do. I have to take a break now though.

Who are you thinking of voting for?

I still don't understand who said what in that mess that you guys were posting. I'm ignoring it. If it's important, it should be restated in a way that I can tell who is saying what.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:52 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:34 pm *Declares intention to vote off LC*
*declares willingness to vote alongside JoH in this endeavor*

I'm not even on my phone.

I misspalled something again huh?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:34 pm *Declares attention to vote off LC*
I don't know what this means

It means that we should only give the mafia one chance to mislynch. I won't be voting unless I know there are 4 votes for my suspect.

If LC is scum, it doesn't matter if I vote or just declare my intention to vote. Mafia won't rush a hammer or they will and that's fine.
If LC is town and the town is largely convinced he's bad, it doesn't matter if I vote or just declare my intention to vote. We're screwed either way.

If LC is town and he does not have 4 town votes on him and ultimately, we lynch say Eloh (who we suppose is scum in this example) instead of LC, my not actually voting for LC now would save the game because I'm not giving the mafia a chance to hammer a townie lynch.

Probably doesn't matter. Just being careful.

*Declares attention to vote off LC*

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:14 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:14 am Oh gee I forgot we know who Sauron is. And I missed a whole bunch of posts before I posted.
I go back and forth on this post

I just--

Scum would know who Sauron was. Yeah.
But

Ugh.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:47 pm If I were bad with two other players right now, on the verge of a clean sweep, I wouldn't care so much because we'd probably win anyway. But this is LYLO or MYLO or some crap, right? You lynch me, and this all ends.

Your scumgroup required Epi to be bad AND Eloh and Juliets to be bad together.

The numbers make more sense if you are bad.

I'm not going to what if lylo this with you cause I don't know how greedy you are at endgame as scum.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:42 pm I'm not seeing too much from the Emoji times... this was there a bit, but it just seems flat now. Your noble emoticon explanation is fair.

I forgot to give bonus points for posting a big picture of Onslaught. I still have all the comics in the Onslaught saga. It was pretty bad, actually. But awesome pic!

And I skipped over the last half of the last page of your ISO because I'm over it now. I think I had built up many small resentments for the times you suspected and voted for me.

Long Con
Jackofhearts2005
insertnamehere
speedchuck
juliets
Elohcin
Epignosis

I think LC is bad.

A pattern I've noticed is that when LC is bad, he will put forth a small attack or two to test mislynch waters (this is common for all scum) and (this part is particular for LC) if I go at him heavily, he backs off almost immediately, presumably in an attempt to diffuse the situation.

This is most noticeable in Mass Effect but even in that game, there was a game before that caused me to think he was bad in Mass Effect.

[mention]Long Con[/mention]

If you don't answer my question, I don't see myself voting for anybody but you.

Epi's gonna hate this post but idgaf.

Epi's last few posts are basically exactly what I expect cause Timmer and DF had a pretty small amount of posts. My main concern is that JJJ voice in the back of my head like "Jack is only drawing the most obvious teammate conclusions" but you know what? DF and Timmer are not Jimmy or Wilgy. I'm not gonna have the same WIFOM problems with them. I'll double down. I don't think Juliets and Eloh are teammates.

[mention]Epignosis[/mention]

I could answer your concerns about me but I don't see a universe where I get lynch today and I'd rather not spend a lolo day defending myself instead of finding baddies. That said, I think you're town and I don't want your suspicions of me to cause you to vote for the wrong player.

Can you assume I'm town just for today?

Hammer games give me nightmares about failing to get enough votes to lynch known baddies.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:14 pm
if a hammer of 4 votes on a player is reached, the day will end immediately.

Townies should not vote at all until we choose a lynch. If all 3 scum come online at the same time, a single townie voting for another single townie means game over.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:31 pm The noble emoticon... why did you use it?

I don't remember. That's part of the problem with using emoji's. Perhaps I meant something like "I don't think LC is saying this because he's bad."

The shrug was pretty clear, though. In no way was I encouraging you to push on Nutella.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:29 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:57 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:48 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:13 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:12 pm I didn't order the four orange in order of suspicion. I'd vote juliets at this point.
Why am I orange at all then?
I didn't like your early-game interaction with my nutella suspicion, and you've pinged me a few times here and there.
To be clear, you mean http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 92#p402392 and "a few times here and there."

Try again.
I didn't say I commented on them. I just mean that when reading your posts, some struck me as baddielike. Is this a big problem for you?

In a way. Show them to me.

I mean, literally, I shrug and your Nutella accusation. You've stated several times that I encouraged you to go after Nutella and I'm not sure where that's coming from.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:48 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:13 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:12 pm I didn't order the four orange in order of suspicion. I'd vote juliets at this point.
Why am I orange at all then?
I didn't like your early-game interaction with my nutella suspicion, and you've pinged me a few times here and there.

To be clear, you mean http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 92#p402392 and "a few times here and there."

Try again.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:12 pm I didn't order the four orange in order of suspicion. I'd vote juliets at this point.

Why am I orange at all then?

Nope.

[mention]Long Con[/mention]

Why am I your top suspect?

I'm having trouble telling who is saying what in these posts.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:39 am Ok...

ELOHCIN: [juliets] says there was not a lot of suspicion on him, so maybe a redirect? I see now that the 'redirect' is Eloh's idea; I took it to be more of what "she (juliets) says"

ELOHCIN: [juliets] says [Mac] thought Jack and chuck were bad. But I am not sure if I would put Jack or chuck as bad at this point. A set-up looks more likely.

Purple text seems to be Elohcin's words and thoughts. Green text is back to juliets' words, but I had assumed they were Elohcin's words, because they followed what I perceived as Elohcin's words.

Even now, reading it, it reads like Eloh's opinion. If she had that opinion, I would expect her to follow up on it... juliets, in her original quote, floats the idea that speedchuck and/or Jack killed Mac because Mac was suspicious of them, but instantly waves in the idea that the Mac kill was to set speedchuck up.

"I will need to read Sloonei and speed and hope that helps me determine if thats true or not." Can you link me to your post-Sloonchuck-read results, juliets?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:11 am "You've played a million games with me, I would expect you to know my civ game by now." Well this makes me suspicious. There is not a single person I have ever played Mafia with that I expect myself to just "know" their Civ game and cross them off the list. I don't believe in that kind of thing, I think it's a fairy tale that baddies try to fall back on in order to coerce Civvies into feeling like they are not trying hard enough, or aren't being a good enough Old Mafia Friend. "Shame on you for not knowing me well enough to know I'm Civ right now!" NO THANK YOU.

You are bad. Describe for me what you imagined you might have seen that would make you say "A HA! Now I believe Sloonchuck killed Mac!" This whole "investigation" you claimed to do feels paper-thin and false to me.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:56 am Long Con
Glorfindel
insertnamehere
speedchuck
juliets
Elohcin
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005

This is where I currently sit.

#Surprised. When did I become a bigger suspect of yours than Epi?

Maybe your next few posts say.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:29 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:28 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:49 pm I moved my vote to INH.
What is this? 30 min before the night post? Bleh.
INH was online. I wanted to make shit happen.

Should I have left my vote on rabbit?

Did it work?

EBWOP

Day end, not night post.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:49 pm I moved my vote to INH.

What is this? 30 min before the night post? Bleh.

Switched to Rabbit. Probably my last post of the day.

Rabbit vote analysis:

Rabbit makes a point of having voted for LC but not necessarily intending to stay on him and indeed points out when he is no longer doing so. He never really explains why he voted LC. (Sloonei may have called him on this, prompting the later comment.) Is this AI for Rabbit if LC's alignment is known? Or vice versa? Not sure.

Rabbit ends up voting DF, a fairly big train, without saying why. This assists with the no lynch tie.

Rabbit does not vote Day 2.

Day 3, Rabbit votes Mac over Nutella. He talked about the later a bit but not the former. Ultimately, with 4 competing townie vote trains, in not sure this matters much but the discrepancy between words and actions is notable.

Day 4, Rabbit misses the vote.

I'd be good with a Rabbit lynch.

Oh. I forgot to say why. Rabbit has been rude but not hunting. Normally (take that with a grain of salt cause we've only played like one game together but this is the best I got), Rabbit takes no shit while dishing whatever. In this game, the dishes have shit but not meat.

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