The Syndicate

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:00 pm I get to remake the wizarding world into my image so in a way we've all won.

[mention]speedchuck[/mention]

What did I do that you would have done?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:40 pm One mistake in this setup would be a strong showing, sir.

Oh yeah. Fire Emblem has at least 3.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:06 am In Fire Emblem, the game this is inspired on,

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:50 am Ye, if people being like
"Why didn't you do it like xxxxxxx??"
"You should do xxxxx"
"That's weird"

Instead of trying to justify your action, be more like
"Sit down kids"

Lol this.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:18 am Mega Man, Outpost and now Hogwarts mafia. Ya boi out here GRINDING. This is the DH Era

All credit on those last two but we had what? 18 inactive townies in MM? And LC and Speedchuck defected to the mafia.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:10 am Disagree on the SKer.

I called DH the sker. I pointed out the kill discrepancy. I laughed about the idea of two odd night vigilantes.

People hear what they want to hear but the answer was right in front of the town the whole time.

I agree with you on the easy clears though. I love endgame when “everyone is obviously town.” That’s when the real paranoia sets in.

Which of course is not to say that DH didn’t earn his win but rather that there were sufficient clues that there was a serial killer for it to be considered.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:01 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:02 pm JaggedJimmyJay elaborate on your frustration. What did you see that we didn't?
It was less about anyone missing something that I was seeing and more about what I perceived to be complacent or resigned hunting. There were so many times wherein someone would clear or near-clear someone else for what I thought were inadequate reasons in a late/endgame scenario. For example:

I don't clear Mac for giving timmer the potion.
I don't clear nutella for her effort level.
I don't clear DH for casing Long Con or Jack.
I don't clear poutanko for claiming a false red check.
I don't clear Lunalee for having cleared Sloonei.

etc. I saw very reasonable ways to view these things through a mafioso lens that required nearly no tinfoil, and it drove me bonkers. That isn't meant to criticize any specific people though, because my own casing was clearly not perfect either. I'd have had to continue developing my own POE to arrive at poutanko.

I don't fault anyone for missing DH as a serial killer. Indeed, I don't think the civilians were ever going to figure that out before it was too late (both in terms of game phase and the acquisition of the hallows), because it was a secret role. Even speculation about it maybe existing is always going to take a back seat to the confirmed, objective threat (the death eaters), so there's really nothing that can be done on that front. The best chance the civilians had to be rid of that problem would have been for DH to be killed by the mafia. I give DH credit for making the best of the role and earning civilian credit to ensure he couldn't be lynched for the wrong reasons (association with the mafia).

Disagree on the SKer.

I called DH the sker. I pointed out the kill discrepancy. I laughed about the idea of two odd night vigilantes.

People hear what they want to hear but the answer was right in front of the town the whole time.

I agree with you on the easy clears though. I love endgame when “everyone is obviously town.” That’s when the real paranoia sets in.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:00 pm I am like, impressed with the host, impressed with DH, sad as fuck that we didn't win. I don't know if I've ever actually got to end game as a civ and lost before, so this emotion is new.

Its like you’re me for a day.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:40 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:39 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:38 pm I want to know what the deal was with the Quin-speed actions. I assume speed was telling the truth, was Quin? Maybe I missed the answer to that somewhere.
DDL posted all the night actions in a big spoilered post. I totally forgot to look at those when I skimmed it but I assume something messed them up lol
LC tried to save himself by using a Dodo on someone.

But the person he picked (Quin) happened to be the guy DH was trying to kill for a hallow.

( )

I forgot Speed had DH ages ago.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:34 pm I mean I think punishing low activity players is good, it's more a way to incentivize players to be active to get the rewards. But yeah I do think the "use all 3 abilities" was a factor as well since Luna had a good ability she could use every night.

Yeah but we were punished and rewarded in arbitrary groups.

Consider that mafia has motivation to lose the house cup to prevent certain players from getting boosts or that nobody can control the activity of other players.

Cute idea and very thematic, just doesn’t work as a motivating factor imo.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:09 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:08 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:56 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:55 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:18 pm I was telling the truth when I said I figured out Jack was bad because he pretended not to know what polyjuice was.
And I was telling the truth when I said you were the serial killer.

Well played. That was a fantastic SKer role and you did a damn good job of playing it.
Hilarious to me that because you got outed as a mafia nobody gave two shits about you putting me on blast.

Worthy foe.
Hardly on blast. I was pretty kid gloves about it.

1) You clearly didn’t care about who got lynched several times.
2) Nova was modblocked on N1 and Timmer was roleblocked. This means the only way a townie could have killed him is if there were two odd night vigilantes. There was clearly an even night vigilante. 3 town vigilantes on top of all the protection and investigation is op....unless there’s a sker.
3) Way too many kills with Timmer holstering and so much protection....unless there’s a sker
4) Outed a cop role and couldn’t give an actual reason why that role was bad. Plus lying about what we talked about in btsc.
5) Overstating credit for dead mafia members
6) Quin’s killer was clearly not the mafia kill but also clearly an evil character.

I couldn’t argue the third point without confirming Timmer (my mistake) and I choose not to hammer on the other points because at the end of the day, I was only about 75% sure and it wasn’t worth making Pout more lynchable to get rid of you in my (flawed) calculation. We knew you had the Elder wand and if we could get it, that meant that in addition to my transfiguration, I could give the mafia a 3 vote swing. If you had died and Pout had lived, we would almost surely have won.

But we didn’t and you did. You made the right bets and the right actions while we made the wrong ones. Hats off for a well deserved win.
I told DDL a few times that the civs couldn't see the forest through the trees this game. Like when they lynched you before me.

I should have argued that I was outed and screwed and what was the harm in lynching you first but honestly, I don’t think it would have worked.

I have made the argument as mafia “I am town but even if I an mafia, the correct action is X” several times. The town always chooses Y and the opposing scum team always wins.

Buuuuut I’m pretty sure that would have just resulted in a town win so no regrets on that front.

I also underestimated how powerful the sker role would be (I totally love the power level and think skers should be bamf to make up for being alone and having to basically win as town and as mafia at the same time) and the town underestimated the chance of their being a sker, largely due to lack of experience dealing with hidden factions imo.

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] excellent game and an excellent way to end it with multiple scenes like “who is going to win?” Loved it.

I also very much sympathize with some of the difficulties you had this game that were outside your control and I think you handled them as well as anyone can ask. I hope you didn’t take any of my frustration personally.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:56 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:55 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:18 pm I was telling the truth when I said I figured out Jack was bad because he pretended not to know what polyjuice was.
And I was telling the truth when I said you were the serial killer.

Well played. That was a fantastic SKer role and you did a damn good job of playing it.
Hilarious to me that because you got outed as a mafia nobody gave two shits about you putting me on blast.

Worthy foe.

Hardly on blast. I was pretty kid gloves about it.

1) You clearly didn’t care about who got lynched several times.
2) Nova was modblocked on N1 and Timmer was roleblocked. This means the only way a townie could have killed him is if there were two odd night vigilantes. There was clearly an even night vigilante. 3 town vigilantes on top of all the protection and investigation is op....unless there’s a sker.
3) Way too many kills with Timmer holstering and so much protection....unless there’s a sker
4) Outed a cop role and couldn’t give an actual reason why that role was bad. Plus lying about what we talked about in btsc.
5) Overstating credit for dead mafia members
6) Quin’s killer was clearly not the mafia kill but also clearly an evil character.

I couldn’t argue the third point without confirming Timmer (my mistake) and I choose not to hammer on the other points because at the end of the day, I was only about 75% sure and it wasn’t worth making Pout more lynchable to get rid of you in my (flawed) calculation. We knew you had the Elder wand and if we could get it, that meant that in addition to my transfiguration, I could give the mafia a 3 vote swing. If you had died and Pout had lived, we would almost surely have won.

But we didn’t and you did. You made the right bets and the right actions while we made the wrong ones. Hats off for a well deserved win.

Ha! I knew Jay was the other vig.

Granted, we had power copped half the town but not Jay.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:18 pm I was telling the truth when I said I figured out Jack was bad because he pretended not to know what polyjuice was.

And I was telling the truth when I said you were the serial killer.

Well played. That was a fantastic SKer role and you did a damn good job of playing it.

Do a magic trick.

lol rez plz

Re: Hogwarts Mafia - Night 8 DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:04 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:04 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:12 am secretly in the game

I looked back at the games that I had hosted and without realizing it, it was basically just me trying to get this mechanic to work over and over.

Rez plz

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:02 pm Y’all ever see Titanic? Good movie.

I like the part where Leo’s name is Jack.

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention]

I was just screwing around. You can end the day whenever as far as I’m concerned.

Consider that I may be town.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:46 pm Ugh lame. He just wants to taunt us and inflate his post count.

How do you know I don’t have some special power that only works on holidays?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:46 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:45 pm So what do ya’ll wanna do for 2 days? Trustfall? Gth? How bout some charts?
Mason w/ me.

If only.

So what do ya’ll wanna do for 2 days? Trustfall? Gth? How bout some charts?

I request the full 48 hours.

But if he’s the vig, he was lying about suspecting me cause he didn’t shoot me.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:40 pm FYI I tracked Poutanko and they did nothing.
how odd - I wonder how she died. Is it possible our vig is still alive after all?

DH has been killing. If he’s the vig, he’s pulled off an even better game than everyone knows.

But there have been too many kills considering Timmer holstered all game and basically half the players are docs and blockers plus there are mad mafia blocks and mass docs handed out via house cup.

Serial killer would go a long way towards balancing the game considering multiple cops, docs, pgos, bulletproof, rez and everything listed above.

But maybe DH is that good and the mafia is that unlucky and the game is that imbalanced.

(Don’t take that too harsh, DDL. I’ve made some quite unbalanced games.)

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:31 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:29 pm I’m the last Death Eater.

Lynch me and win. If that doesn’t end the game, lynch DH.
Wait Jack's a Death Eater?

I’m the last Death Eater.

Lynch me and win. If that doesn’t end the game, lynch DH.

Pretend I went and EBWOP pet names into every time I’ve addressed Pout since N5 or whatever.

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:57 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:48 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:35 pm Nutella&Juliet locktown. Colin green checked. If there's a deep wolf that's between Mac and DH
Did you forget my green check on purpose or what fam.
DDL himself said on his OP, cop check could be fooled so

Sweetie, divination is pseudomagic.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:36 pm Mac are you certain that DDL would say if it failed? I'm not.

A host must always maintain the illusion of not screwing players over.

About half the “secrets” nobody was told until after the game are me messing up and then finding a thematic excuse to say that was the way it was supposed to work. Usually “so and so is so smart, they are immune to misdirection.”

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:55 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:54 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:50 pm ......If Mac were bad he'd be the last teammate of Jack who can't be lynched so which scum would he lynch to look good, himself or his unkillable teammate?
....and your argument for wanting me to get lynched is? Jack wanted to lynch his own horcrux? Is that?
Jack busing you for cred is just as good as being unlynchable.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:50 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:48 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:40 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:38 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:26 pm If you had info or something you should have said so. Pinning her towniness on her Sloonei related behaviours isn't good enough when everyone looks like a civ.
Making this post before a Luna flip is not a good look.
Howwwww
Abdication of responsibility for a flip you knew would be bad for you.

"We had no choice but to lynch the civ cop Luna, DH never came forward with any infodump that proved she was civ"
How did this make Mac look bad? Luna flipping Town indicated Mac is uninformed Town more than scum. If he's scum it's more likely he would do things that made him look good aka lynching scum and saving town. Mac got nothing from Luna lynch.
......If Mac were bad he'd be the last teammate of Jack who can't be lynched so which scum would he lynch to look good, himself or his unkillable teammate?

Details details.

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:39 pm @DharmaHelper you said you wanted to lynch Mac several times during D7 but never voted him. Instead, you voted Colin while saying you prefer to lynch Mac. Why?

What if the mafia was me, DH and Mac?

Wild!

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:38 pm Is it possible one of us is scum and just doesn’t know it? It would explain an awful lot.

Did BSG mafia not cover this scenario?

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:35 pm Nutella&Juliet locktown. Colin green checked. If there's a deep wolf that's between Mac and DH

Regardless, honeybunch, Mac and DH should go at it again tomorrow because they are both very funny.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:01 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:47 pm I really don't think Poutanko is the last Mafia. I find it extremely hard to rationalise the Speedchuck false red peek thing, it's such a dumb Mafia move.

Which leaves... nobody really. Colin if it's obvious. Anybody if it's deep wolf. Juliets, did she scumslip? Did Glorfy lie?
People keep mentioning Glorf truth meta, doesn't that mean she's confirmed town?
Well, the caveat to the truth meta argument is that maybe Glorf for the first time lied about his alignment.

Lol he did replace out.

Like suddenly two nights ago.

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:42 pm ...lynch pou while she's away 2.0

I'm Town. I have Amortentia (made it N4, shoved it on Jack N5) and dodo.

Currently on vacation, I've mentioned this before. If I'm still alive next DP I'll lend you a hand to lynch myself so I can enjoy my vacation fully

I’m suddenly in love with you.

Shall we call lynching players in different time zones while they’re away “foreigner’s lament?”

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:16 pm lol Poutanko is in Hufflepuff

I'm in awe

I told you this two days ago and you lynched me for it you doof.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:02 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:01 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:00 pm Why is Colin town DharmaHelper?
Because Poutanko...isn't.....

Keep up chief.
Oh cool why is Poutanko scum?
IDK I wasn't here when we all decided Jack bussed poutanko.

Huge missed opportunity to say “because everyone else is town.”

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:00 pm Why is Colin town DharmaHelper?

Dat tone?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:42 pm Guys chill it's colin or pout get off each other's backs

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:38 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:26 pm If you had info or something you should have said so. Pinning her towniness on her Sloonei related behaviours isn't good enough when everyone looks like a civ.
Making this post before a Luna flip is not a good look.
On anyone else sure but Mac is town.

You are ruining things. Stopit.

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