The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 1:04 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 11:55 am one rule i wish was implemented a lot, lot harder is "always ask questions to the host via PM"

twice i thought the game was at risk of being broken. that would have sucked a lot after all the effort everyone put into it, and it could easily be avoided if people just respected the "don't ask questions in the thread" rule tbh.
I agree with this. I forget what the question was, but I remember an instance in Mountains Mafia (this seems to be our go-to reference here) where a player asked the host a question in the thread and the host gave an answer. The simple fact that the host provided them with a direct and sincere answer told me that the player was town, because they would not have needed an answer to the question if they were mafia.

Mechanical questions can give other players clues about your alignment. Answers to those questions can give further clues. I always request private questions in my games.

Counterargument: I’ve used in thread messages to the host as a wolf to look town.

Countercounterargument: We should be playing against the other players, not the host.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 12:35 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 12:08 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 11:58 am
juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 11:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 11:16 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 9:13 pm I thought the mafia team was done. Mac lynched Day 1. Jack caught Night 1. That's half the team.

Hello ladies.
Previously on wolfchat...

Mac: Being mafia is so easy.
Jack: Yeah, townies are dumb.
Jack, honestly I think this is rude. We aren't calling you stupid for getting lynched so early and I would appreciate it if you didn't do it either. The game is over, it is what it is, there is no reason to call people dumb.
I think he's just joking, and mostly making fun of himself and Mac for thinking that'd be an easy win then getting taken out so quickly.
Ok, I hope so because I never thought Jack was mean.
He's actually very mean. I've seen him kick dogs

The way mafia friends who I met irl described me was “surprisingly nice,” whatever that means.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 12:18 pm I honestly don’t think there’s a fair solution to when deadlines should be.

Good time for North and South America? Too late for Europe.

Good time for Europe? Literally the middle of the night for Australia, or the crack of dawn. Americans are at work.

What if we just buy everyone plane tickets for eod?

And yeah, I’m mostly making fun of myself.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 11:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 11:16 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 9:13 pm I thought the mafia team was done. Mac lynched Day 1. Jack caught Night 1. That's half the team.

Hello ladies.
Previously on wolfchat...

Mac: Being mafia is so easy.
Jack: Yeah, townies are dumb.
Jack, honestly I think this is rude. We aren't calling you stupid for getting lynched so early and I would appreciate it if you didn't do it either. The game is over, it is what it is, there is no reason to call people dumb.

Sorry, I meant that as “townies in general” not “the townies in this specific game.”

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 9:13 pm I thought the mafia team was done. Mac lynched Day 1. Jack caught Night 1. That's half the team.

Hello ladies.

Previously on wolfchat...

Mac: Being mafia is so easy.
Jack: Yeah, townies are dumb.

[mention]dunya[/mention]
[mention]Elohcin[/mention]
[mention]MacDougall[/mention]
[mention]Epignosis[/mention]

Thanks for making scumchat so much fun.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:46 pm My face when I lose to obvious mafia members in every game.

Hey Jay, I appreciate you taking the time to read all my jokes in this game twice.

And Mac takes the lead!

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:46 pm

+17

And I’m just over here like why didn’t he ever check into wolfchat?

I "made" this today.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:39 pm Jackofhearts2005 Stand with me! Flood the thread with anime gifs

I'm still reeling from Game of Thrones.

rez plz

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:01 pm "deep wolf"

Call your damn votes.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:34 pm Alright I'll start from the player list and whoever is in can answer:

DDL
dunya

Go.

Scum
Town

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:20 pm Jack's right - he said "Chatzy" and somehow my memory changed it to "Discord". My bad.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:12 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:12 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:37 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:58 pm Ugh. Here's the thing. Jack is bad.

So, knowing Jack is bad, I just think back to these posts:

Hopefully after tonight I'll glean more from a nice reread.
Please clarify this for me. How do we know Jack is bad? Did I miss something? Or are you just saying what you feel certain about?
The water turned to cherry wine. Two nights. That means Jack is bad.
Dafuck is this?

I'm not bad and I can prove it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:50 pm I can freaking prove my ability as soon as the day starts.
Jack, the day started.

LC, I already did. Didn’t help I guess.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:53 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:52 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:42 am WTH is a discord theory?
LC is like “Jack mentioned Discord but I’ve never used Discord in a mafia. Therefore, tmi.”

Except that never happened.
Jack, I was going to ask you about this actually. I went through most of your iso yesterday and didn't see anything about discord, nor do I remember it being mentioned. Are you saying here that you never said anything about discord?

Yes. Long Con seemingly made this up.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:45 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:34 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:11 am Juliet's response was not very impressive to me, I don't believe that she has a lack of understanding about my Discord Theory. I also don't believe she has a lack of understanding of how distancing from and accusing a teammate when you think you're getting lynched is a smart thing to do.
I do not understand your discord theory. Maybe someone else does and they can explain it to me since you won't. I do not have a lack of understanding about distancing, but I think your accusation that I was distancing when I said Jack was bad is absurd. And finally, I don't care whether you are impressed or not, you are barking up the wrong tree.
Long Con's theory of Discord developed by the Longest Con states that the most frequent Discord user in any player list is bad. Also known as Discord selection.

*discord tell

That should be in sarcastic orange.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:59 pm i dunno why i'm humoring you, you're bad. i just thought i caught something but i didn't. anyway, i did some calculations and i'm sure of it.

imagine though for a split second the rest of the mafia team is leetic, niju, neverwhere and rey. lol. and they just didn't submit a nightkill.

Well damn, another loss for me. I can’t carry all the time.

And we never heard from Dunya again.

Linki: Ruiner of jokes.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:40 pm what even is jack doing?

"i gave speedchuck a vest in return for his power"
"no, wait, i gave nutella a vest in return for her power"
"oh wait, it's a doc protection"

Look, you wanna believe the host or not?

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:41 pm jack, if you were me and i were you, would you trust me today?

Don’t ask me stuff like this.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:38 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:36 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:26 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:25 pm I will self vote if I can get some promises to hang LC when I flip town.
ugh pls don't be that guy
Why does everyone on this site have such a hate-boner for self-voting?

Sometimes it is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.
because it sucks when people throw a fit at the thread cos they're being voted and self vote cos they're angry....for being voted...in a game of mafia....where every day phase people vote each other out.

so i don't differentiate between which situation sucks or not. self voting SUCKS. period.

No. Self voting is bad when it amounts to ganethrowing (or at least daythrowing).

Besides this situation, a revenge killer could self vote to save another townie from lynch and trigger his own kill to nab a wolf instead of lynch a different townie.

It’s only frowned upon because it often goes with “woe is me and also fuck my own team.”

That is not what I’m saying.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:37 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:36 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:34 pm
The weird thing to me is that it is doctor protection, not a vest. Took me by surprise after the intital claim.
why is it weird?
Jack claimed it as a vest initially.

Give you a vest. Give you a doctoring. Whatever. Now turn your head and cough.

That’s at Dunya.

No, I’m saying I’m going to flip green and nobody is going to think LC is bad anyway cause it’s “so risky.”

Linki: There’s no framer.

You’re talking about a forger.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:30 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:23 pm I feel like I’m taking crazy pills and nobody but Jay even understands what me and LC are saying.

Which is exactly D1 all over again where nobody but Jay could understand my Daisy case.

And at the end of the day, I’ll get lynched over the red peek, Jay gets nightkilled and everyone will shrug at LC because look at all the stuff about framers and mentions of discord and threats of nightkill so of course we don’t trust Jack. Never mind that none of that shit even exists.
well having a framer in LC is the only good thing that could explain why scum LC wants you dead. if you're saying none of that shit exists then cool, we made the best choice we could have hoped for.

What are you talking about?

A farmer would explain why town LC has a red peak on town Jack.

If LC is bad, why would he frame me and then actually cop check me? Wolves are allowed to just lie.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:28 pm jack doesn't know anything about steely dan. if he searched "doctor steely dan" doctor wu is literally the first song in google the pops up. i wonder if he even looked at the lyrics lol.

Lol I did not look at the lyrics to my song.

And I’m not lolcatting. My natural joke to content ratio is high. You add an accusation of that and it doesn’t make my jokes lolcatting. If I was lolcatting, you’d know.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:26 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:25 pm I will self vote if I can get some promises to hang LC when I flip town.
ugh pls don't be that guy

Excuse me for pursuing my wincon.

A lone vote on a wolf is not worth squat. A consensus to lynch a wolf is.

I will self vote if I can get some promises to hang LC when I flip town.

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills and nobody but Jay even understands what me and LC are saying.

Which is exactly D1 all over again where nobody but Jay could understand my Daisy case.

And at the end of the day, I’ll get lynched over the red peek, Jay gets nightkilled and everyone will shrug at LC because look at all the stuff about framers and mentions of discord and threats of nightkill so of course we don’t trust Jack. Never mind that none of that shit even exists.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:09 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:08 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:14 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:02 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:51 am never mind. wouldn't explain the 2 nights in a row thing.
It would if literally any of his teammates could skip a day phase.

At that point we're looking at a huuuge gambit to lynch Jack though
It’s only a huge gambit if people are willing to lynch LC when I flip town.
If LC is a framer and one of his teammates is a dayskipper, it's a stupid gambit. If we happen to lynch the teammate at some point, it would immediately doom LC.
Never base a gambit on two scum powers going undiscovered.

This, of course, is assuming you flip scum.
Why does there need to be a framer?
I'm replying to a Dunya post about framers, back at the start of this chain. Go there.

This doesn’t make sense.

[mention]dunya[/mention]

The mafia doesn’t need to frame someone to fake a red peek. They can just lie.

Why would scum LC be worried about his day skipper friendo getting lynched when he’s the day skipper?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:09 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:29 pm LC: I skipped the day phase.
DDL: Neat!
Jack: I can doctor people.
Speed: Seems suspicious.

LC: I have an alignment checker / phase skipper, and succeeding on one gives me a drawback on the other.
DDL: Neat!
Jack: I can offer not to kill to protect someone at night and then take and use their power, essentially being a rolecop AND a power stealer with the added doctor bit, which is conveniently broken by a mafia strongman on night 1 I guess because nutella HAD to have a vest protect.
Speed: IDK. Roles in this game are confusing. Cop check is more reliable.

Occam's razor says to trust the cop check and see what happens.

But nobody ever said this but you.

The role does not say this.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:14 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:02 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:51 am never mind. wouldn't explain the 2 nights in a row thing.
It would if literally any of his teammates could skip a day phase.

At that point we're looking at a huuuge gambit to lynch Jack though
It’s only a huge gambit if people are willing to lynch LC when I flip town.
If LC is a framer and one of his teammates is a dayskipper, it's a stupid gambit. If we happen to lynch the teammate at some point, it would immediately doom LC.
Never base a gambit on two scum powers going undiscovered.

This, of course, is assuming you flip scum.

Why does there need to be a framer?

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:30 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:25 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:14 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:02 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:51 am never mind. wouldn't explain the 2 nights in a row thing.
It would if literally any of his teammates could skip a day phase.

At that point we're looking at a huuuge gambit to lynch Jack though
It’s only a huge gambit if people are willing to lynch LC when I flip town.
i don't understand what the "huge gambit" is in either context
Speed is saying he trusts LC cause it would be a huge gambit for a mafia member to fake a red peak.

I disagree.
it is.

unless he is sure you're flipping bad. which i think is almost impossible to make it so convenient that he skips night, his song, etc. it all doesn't add up.

Why would a mafia member be sure I’m flipping bad?

What about his song adds up?

His song is like “cherry rain golden whatever” and his claim is like “cherries are day skips and guilty and golden is a night skip and a green check.” Okay but you could make the same claim for lyrics with any two nouns.

My song is Doctor Wu and my power is doctor.

Which one of us has the claim that fits our song?

LC: I skipped the day phase.
DDL: Neat!
Jack: I can doctor people.
Speed: Seems suspicious.

It’s just scum with a day skip, ya’ll.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:24 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:16 pm If you had a cop check that let you skip the day if you got a guilty peek or skip the night if you got a green peak, would you use it on a player you suspected?
actually wait i just reread that question. hmmm. i might do my best to skip nights actually and prevent nks. talking to the devil though, everyone plays differently.

Right?

Normally, red checks are better but a night skip is awesome and a day skip is ass.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:14 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:02 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:51 am never mind. wouldn't explain the 2 nights in a row thing.
It would if literally any of his teammates could skip a day phase.

At that point we're looking at a huuuge gambit to lynch Jack though
It’s only a huge gambit if people are willing to lynch LC when I flip town.
i don't understand what the "huge gambit" is in either context

Speed is saying he trusts LC cause it would be a huge gambit for a mafia member to fake a red peak.

I disagree.

If you had a cop check that let you skip the day if you got a guilty peek or skip the night if you got a green peak, would you use it on a player you suspected?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:02 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:51 am never mind. wouldn't explain the 2 nights in a row thing.
It would if literally any of his teammates could skip a day phase.

At that point we're looking at a huuuge gambit to lynch Jack though

It’s only a huge gambit if people are willing to lynch LC when I flip town.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:42 am WTH is a discord theory?

LC is like “Jack mentioned Discord but I’ve never used Discord in a mafia. Therefore, tmi.”

Except that never happened.

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