The Syndicate

So when will Fallout 2 be ready?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:05 pm If The Master is the last Super Mutant alive, the Vault Dweller is dead, and Jacoren is alive when the game ends in a Super Mutant victory, Vault 13 will be completely conquered and dipped. Fallout 2 Mafia will never happen.[/b][/color]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

Great game, Jay. Thank you!

TSP played a really good game.

Lol I’m never gonna catch wolf Sloonei if won’t rand wolf.

Mac basically conceded for me, too.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

#busassaurus

Yeah, mostly.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:09 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:06 pm
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:32 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:21 am So let’s lynch Sloonei and if he flips as the recruit, I’ll consider Mac cleared.
I'm starting to think this might be the better option over you. How Sloonei flips may determine for me who is on the baddie team.

EBWOP cause I didn’t say anything.

Sloon flips recruit clears Mac.

Sloon flips Master points to Mac recruit.

Sloon flips wolf points to town Jack, town Tony, town Creature.

Sloon flips town, points to those same players + Mac as potential wolves.

He’s the most likely wolf and we learn the most from his id.
I absolutely am not and I will not be getting lynched tomorrow.

Jack nk confirmed.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:06 pm
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:32 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:21 am So let’s lynch Sloonei and if he flips as the recruit, I’ll consider Mac cleared.
I'm starting to think this might be the better option over you. How Sloonei flips may determine for me who is on the baddie team.

EBWOP cause I didn’t say anything.

Sloon flips recruit clears Mac.

Sloon flips Master points to Mac recruit.

Sloon flips wolf points to town Jack, town Tony, town Creature.

Sloon flips town, points to those same players + Mac as potential wolves.

He’s the most likely wolf and we learn the most from his id.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:32 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:21 am So let’s lynch Sloonei and if he flips as the recruit, I’ll consider Mac cleared.
I'm starting to think this might be the better option over you. How Sloonei flips may determine for me who is on the baddie team.

But not that mad. You’re a good guy, for a super mutant.

@Sloonei if you nk me and deprive me of my glory, imma be mad at you.

Glor, you know I’m not a starting wolf.

You know Sabie didn’t treat me like a recruit. Hell, bussing the recruit wouldn’t even give Sabie town cred because if I’m reading the role right, I’d just flip town.

Okay you didn’t say it was a good look for Sloonei but the point stands.

TSP asking Sabie to explain her reads and voting her when her explanation is found wanting is a damn good look.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:04 am
Spoiler: show
#103 Halfway through the first Day, Mac puts a vote on Sabie.

#104 Immediately after Mac’s vote on Sabie, TSP asks Mac if he’d considered voting for Jack.

#107 Mac addresses Sabie’s post in very direct fashion and points out that she refused to give a read on TSP on the basis of unfamiliarity with his meta despite offering non-meta reads on Creature and Épi.

#117 Here we see a defense by TSP to Sabie’s assertion that she had ‘nothing to go on’ in terms of being able to read him. Seems interesting at this point looking back that this defense followed so closely after Mac’s comment about Sabie’s read on him.

#124 TSP asks BWT if he has any reads on Sabie and Mac.

#126 BWT declines a read on Sabie but says he believes Mac to be Town on the basis that he wasn’t defending himself.

#129 BWT places his vote on Sabie.

#132 BWT says he wants to re-consider his vote on Sabie because he can’t see the case on her

#137 In a masterful analysis, Epi declares Sabie 67% Mafia.

#138 TSP indicates that he will support Epi’s case on Sabie.

#144 THAT post of Epi’s.

#145 Sloonei like wise endorses Mac’s case on Sabie on the rationale of a disproportionate content/reads ratio.

#149 BWT declines the case on Sabie.

#153 Lon Con states that he is unvoting Sabie as a consequence of #144.

#155 Colin says he likes Mac’s case on Sabie but is dissuaded by #144.

# 164 Sloonei asks Colin for reads on players other than Sabie.

#165 Sabie says she suspects Sprityo and Jack, thinks that TSP and Glorf are OK despite being unfamiliar with our play styles and admonished Mac for having mis-lynched as Town in previous games.

#166 TSP addresses #165 asking Sabie for a case on either Sprityo or Jack.

#169 Sabie’s response to TSP claiming that Mafia-Jack is more laid back and Town-Jack is openly diligent and she believes that she’s observed the former this game. Doesn’t reference Sprityo but raises suspicion of BWT on the same basis.

#171 Less than two hours from EOD, Sloonei says that while he doesn’t hate the case on Sabie, he’s wary of it because of #144 (not directly referenced).

#172 In response to #169, TSP places his vote on Sabie

#180 In a sympathetic post, Glorf states to Sabie that he is voting for her according to his best judgement.

#185 Again, Sabie pushes on BWT, throws shade at Epi and reiterates her case on Jack.

#187 Glorf response to Sloonei stating that he is ‘concerned’ about Sloonei and Sabie both raising the issue of an apparent difference in Jack’s meta this game (despite arriving at different conclusions).

#193 Glorf changes his vote from Sabie to Jack.

#196 Sabie votes Jack.

#204 Creature claims Town’s lack of creativity in lynching Sabie is worrisome.

#205 With half an hour to go, Creature lists BWT, Jack, Sprityo and Lon Con as alternative lynch targets to Sabie.

#230 With less than 15 minutes before EOD, Mac declares that he will remain on Sabie.

#240 Sloonei asks Mac if he wasn’t voting Sabie, who he’d vote for.
At the EOD, we had a tie between BWT, Jack, Sabie and Sprityo. From all of this, I believe that it’s fair to conclude that Mac has to be Town. Sprityo is Town (from Colin’s assumed peek). I think Jack looks marginally better in light of the above. I have to admit, my Town read of Sloonei is looking less strong and that I, myself don’t look great from this. There are times there that I am starting to doubt my Town read of TSP and Creature (I think) comes off looking particularly bad. I need some help with Oreki/BWT. We’re they even here at all before Day 3? If they weren’t, I guess that disqualifies them from consideration too...

Sloonei asks Mac where he would vote if not Sabie with 15 min to go and is voting Sabie by sheeping Mac. How is this a good look for Sloonei?

Sabie is going all in on a Jack lynch? How is that a marginally good look?

If Mac was recruited after D1, how do Mac’s posts D1 lock him in as town? I agree he’s very unlikely to be the master.

So let’s lynch Sloonei and if he flips as the recruit, I’ll consider Mac cleared.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:57 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:17 pm There are reasons to believe Glor is antialigned with Sloonei and Sabie.

There are reasons to think BWT is antialigned with Sloonei.
Which one of those is most worth attempting to you? I feel slightly better about you but not that much, but my #2 suspect is currently Sloonei and I could stand to vote for him on D4.

I mean, Sloonei should be the lynch.

It’s a round about way of saying “Glor is in the POE but maybe he shouldn’t be.”

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:53 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:26 pm
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:17 pm Jack seems like he's gone through most of this game with a bit of a...carefree attitude to me with lots of jokes and humor.

Jack, what are some good reason(s) to not vote for you on Day 4 and why you aren't one of the two remaining baddies? Because Colin's role reveal makes me feel the least good about you now.
1) I would have killed Glor N1 if I was a wolf. I hate his truth meta. I think it’s against the spirit of the game. He’s unlynchable if town. I’m a good tap dancer. As a wolf, I don’t shoot people to take pressure off myself. I shoot people I can’t mislynch and wolf Jack can’t mislynch town Glor. Last time I tried, he turned what should have been a mislynch into a scum lynch with truth meta. I called for him to be modkilled. Threatened to replace out. Said he ruined the game for me. If I have a nk and Glor is town, he doesn’t last past night 1.

As I stated earlier in the game, I tend to not take much credence in meta-based evidence. I just have never felt it to hold a lot of water and I've seen too many people change their meta over time, so I don't think it's as valid as a lot of mafia players think it is.

2) Sabie ended D1 and D2 voting for me. She put me a coin flip away from death D1. Look at her posts. We aren’t teamed.

I threw out the idea of her covering for one teammate and her busing another. Doesn't rule out her busing you.

3) Creature is an easy mislynch if you don’t know his meta. Wolf Jack lets him get mislynched instead of insisting Creature is 100% town and backing it up with post counts. Sloonei’s posts about Creature’s meta are incorrect or lies btw. There’s a significant difference between his scum game here and in Arrowverse.

See my previous comment about metas.

4) When he voted for me, Colin said he’d switch to Sloonei if people were interested. He clearly did not red peek me.

I'm willing to give you this one to a certain degree. It could also mean that he just didn't red peek you too. Or Sloonei for that matter.

“Meta is useless” is a thing wolves say when meta is inconvenient.

If Sabie was bussing a partner to defend another partner, who is the other partner? The wagons were BWT1 (flipped town), Sabie (by definition not another partner), Jack (being bussed) and Sprityo (seemingly copped town). Plus, it doesn’t make sense to sacrifice Jack to earn cred for Sabie. Sabie has stuff going on irl. Jack is doing okay. Sabie gets lynched sometimes as town and often as mafia. Jack rarely gets mislynched and can carry a wolfteam. Sabie had drawn major heat from Mac. Jack had townreads from LC, Tony and Creature. If Sabie and I were going to bus for cred, I’d be the one to bus her.

To hand wave this as just “meta” is false. I’m not making a meta argument here. I’m saying why would wolf Jack stop an easy mislynch of town Creature?

If Creature is mafia, who was the recruit?

Not Sloonei. Not Mac. Then who?

Nobody. He’s town.

Creature has only had like 5 posts in the last phase.

Bleh.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:59 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:55 am
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:50 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:17 pm There are reasons to believe Glor is antialigned with Sloonei and Sabie.

There are reasons to think BWT is antialigned with Sloonei.
I don’t understand what this post is saying...?
There are reasons to think you aren’t a wolf with Sloonei it a wolf with Sabie.

There are reasons to think BWT isn’t a wolf with Sloonei.
Still don’t get it, sorry...

Wolves are like bad guys.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:50 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:17 pm There are reasons to believe Glor is antialigned with Sloonei and Sabie.

There are reasons to think BWT is antialigned with Sloonei.
I don’t understand what this post is saying...?

There are reasons to think you aren’t a wolf with Sloonei it a wolf with Sabie.

There are reasons to think BWT isn’t a wolf with Sloonei.

Randed is a word, phone.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:42 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:34 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:22 am Recruiting a high volume poster draws in a player that is going to be a lightning for discussion regardless. That player will be more likely than most to say something incriminating against one of their future partners on Day 1. That player will be more likely to draw scrutiny for changes in behavior (since there is more of it observable in the thread) between Days 1 & 2. Recruiting a high volume poster creates lots of variables that can jeopard the mafia team’s internal balance.

Recruiting a quiet or enigmatic player does not come with the same risk. Take Creature for example. He’s a nebulous figure in this game and no one really knows what he’s about. Recruit him and no one will be alarmed when if he does anything odd because, for all we know, that’s just Creature. Recruit Creature because you’re the only player here with in depth knowledge of his meta, and you can spend the whole game telling everybody there’s no way that he’s mafia because this game doesn’t fit his MO.

Yeah, I’m gonna recruit friggin dead weight as a wolf Creature so I can use a meta argument that nobody buys to prevent him from getting lynched unless I get lynched first?
Really? You wouldn't do something unpredictable with the opportunity?

No. If I get to recruit my whole team, sure. But there are two Ramses mafia. Even if nobody would expect me to recruit Creature, he’d get himself lynched for people thinking he was one of the other two slots. Wifom only works if it can be used to argue that the wolf is a townie.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:36 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:34 am I’m excited. I don’t think I’ve ever caught wolf Sloonei before.
I’ll let you know when the day comes.

It doesn’t count until the host calls it.

I’m excited. I don’t think I’ve ever caught wolf Sloonei before.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:22 am Recruiting a high volume poster draws in a player that is going to be a lightning for discussion regardless. That player will be more likely than most to say something incriminating against one of their future partners on Day 1. That player will be more likely to draw scrutiny for changes in behavior (since there is more of it observable in the thread) between Days 1 & 2. Recruiting a high volume poster creates lots of variables that can jeopard the mafia team’s internal balance.

Recruiting a quiet or enigmatic player does not come with the same risk. Take Creature for example. He’s a nebulous figure in this game and no one really knows what he’s about. Recruit him and no one will be alarmed when if he does anything odd because, for all we know, that’s just Creature. Recruit Creature because you’re the only player here with in depth knowledge of his meta, and you can spend the whole game telling everybody there’s no way that he’s mafia because this game doesn’t fit his MO.

Yeah, I’m gonna recruit friggin dead weight as a wolf Creature so I can use a meta argument that nobody buys to prevent him from getting lynched unless I get lynched first?

A better strategy would be to recruit a player with a good wolf game that I like hanging out with anyway like Mac or LC or Tony. (Tony will probably object to me saying he has a good wolf game but whatever.) Then I don’t have to spend the game defending them.

You’re so off balance you’re throwing nonsense at the wall and hoping it sticks.

“Maybe Jack is bad and he recruited Creature.” Puleeze.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:16 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:22 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:17 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:03 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:06 pm Do I think this person would kill Epignosis and Long Con on Nights 1 & 2?
Colin - YES
Creature - YES
Glorfindel - TENTATIVE NO
Jackofhearts - NO
Macdougall - NO
Oreki/birdwithteeth - YES
sprityo - YES
TonyStarkPrime - YES, but he would have no particular reason to.
Sloonei - YES
How does this list even work
It’s a list that Sloonei uses to townread players when convenient but throws it out when it would get in the way of scumreading someone.

EBWOP I stand corrected. What a great vote from me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:17 am Jack is not town.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:18 am Macdougall, however, is town.

See?

You’re a liar, Sloonei. I know you don’t think I’m scum.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:17 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:03 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:06 pm Do I think this person would kill Epignosis and Long Con on Nights 1 & 2?
Colin - YES
Creature - YES
Glorfindel - TENTATIVE NO
Jackofhearts - NO
Macdougall - NO
Oreki/birdwithteeth - YES
sprityo - YES
TonyStarkPrime - YES, but he would have no particular reason to.
Sloonei - YES
How does this list even work

It’s a list that Sloonei uses to townread players when convenient but throws it out when it would get in the way of scumreading someone.

EBWOP I stand corrected. What a great vote from me.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:10 am
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:42 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:16 am Wild Wasteland tinfoil mode engaged. You are invited to come along
I’m not saying that your theory is beyond the realm of possibility but that’s one train I think I’ll refrain from jumping aboard for now, Colin. Realistically, it’s rather likely it will be a decision that will be taken out of my hands before very long.
I’m with Glorf on this. Possible? Yes. Probable? No.

Yeah this is what I meant to quote.

BWT has some cred rescinded.

Yeah I misread that. Maybe you said something like that later? Someone else said that.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:08 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:26 pm Maybe you recruit one of the low posters. It's the unexpected move.

One was mod killed one found a sub.

Can BWT be the recruit?
BWT more likely to be the master. Why would anyone in their right minds recruit someone who isn’t a top town name who hadn’t posted yet

It’s two in Sloonei, Mac, BWT for sure. Everyone else is town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:04 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:56 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:51 pm You are like a wolf who has given up.

Who did you vote for the day we lynched Sabie again? I forget.

I think I voted nobody.
Okay...
Were you going somewhere with that?
Yeah I was going to accuse you of failing to be on the right wagon but then I had a change of heart because you are way too obvious to be Mafia.

Sabie was bussed 100%. I award you no credit for casing her D1 before you were recruited and no credit for lynching her D2 when she had more important stuff to do than play mafia.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:45 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:25 pm
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:21 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:26 am So hmmm

Creature and tsp switched from colin to sabie bear end of day

So for either of them to be mafia theyd have to want to buss their own role blocker which seems entirely wasteful and not likely
Unless, of course we were looking at dual Mafia wagons there. If Creature were ‘the Master’, surely that would explain a bus on Sabie?
Glor, can you update us on your readlist?
Would not vote:
Sloonei

Don’t want to vote:
MacDougall
TonyStarkPrime
Oreki/birdwithteeth
ColinisCool

Could vote:
Crerature
Sprityo
JackofHearts

Incidentally, I feel icky about your “Would Sabie do ‘x’” defence and of anyone here, the difference in your posting today (the day the Townie converts to Mafia) is more stark compared to your previous day’s posts.

This readlist is bleh but I still think Glor is town.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:06 pm Do I think this person would kill Epignosis and Long Con on Nights 1 & 2?
Colin - YES
Creature - YES
Glorfindel - TENTATIVE NO
Jackofhearts - NO
Macdougall - NO
Oreki/birdwithteeth - YES
sprityo - YES
TonyStarkPrime - YES, but he would have no particular reason to.

Sloonei - YES

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:00 pm I do not think we should lynch Colin today. I think Jack is town. I’m working right now if you have questions on this I’ll try to answer before EOD.

Vote Sprityo 2019!

This post comes from a townie, not that there was any doubt.

Sloonei cased Sprityo and Colin before we learned they were both town.

Whoopsie.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:56 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:51 pm You are like a wolf who has given up.

Who did you vote for the day we lynched Sabie again? I forget.

I think I voted nobody.
Okay...

Were you going somewhere with that?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:51 pm You are like a wolf who has given up.

Who did you vote for the day we lynched Sabie again? I forget.

I think I voted nobody.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:33 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:11 pm
So an updated rainbow:
TonyStarkPrime
Macdougall
Glorfindel
Long Con
sabie
birdwithteeth
Jackofhearts
Dragomir
sprityo
Colin
Creature

Sloonei, you’ve probably answered this, but given this as your rainbow list just before EOD yesterday what compelled you to vote for Sabie over Creature?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:42 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:21 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:17 pm That scene in the newest Halloween movie where Myers is in the house and you hear the baby cry and then he goes through the house and idr if he stops and looks at the baby or not but then he just leaves.

Fucking stupid.

If Myers is supposed to be evil personified, he would have no problem killing a baby. If you don’t want him to kill a baby in your movie, don’t put him in the same house as a baby.

Felt like the scene was written to make the audience go “oh no” and then to make everyone breathe a sigh of relief with no regard to plot or characterization. Basically a jump scare only less prevalent.

Rest of the movie was good though.
Technically I don’t examine ot content on principle but this is where I decided that Jack was town.
Wtf why?

Strong opinions about horror movies is town indicative.

Suck it, wolves.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:34 pm If I was a Mafia recruiter, I always recruit Jack. Doubly so if I am Sabie. Why? Because Jack is just a great guy.

Need no more evidence than this.

Yeah it would have been more fun if you and Sabie recruited me but instead Sloonei and Sabie recruited you.

Oh well.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:31 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:26 am I'm glad my vote provoked some content Sabie.

However here's what I see in it.

Player salad. Hitler tell (mild accuse > play your own devil's advocate > outcome null). Interesting tell (mafia say interesting when they don't want to provoke). Forcing reads just to make the post look more exhaustive. Hell you even felt the need to point out three no shows which looked like an attempt to turn what was a rambling salad into a full game read.

Note to civs: If Sabie flips scum her refusal to offer a read on TSP because she has no meta stands in contrast to the fact that she made a non meta analysis of Creature/Epignosis. Very strong chances of TSP mafia if sabie mafia.

Also what's with picking on Glorfindel who is never Mafia. He subs out when he rolls mafia. It is known.

Anyone want to tell me why we shouldn't lynch Sabie today?

Sabie if you are a civilian I will find you. Just keep pushing past me and finding Mafia. Hot tip, I am obviously a civilian here.
I forgot about this. TSP is Mafia. Lynch it.
How bad does it suck to catch a wolf and then find out you were recruited? It’s pretty funny from over here.
Which wolf did you catch sorry?

I found a picture of you and Sabie.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:26 am I'm glad my vote provoked some content Sabie.

However here's what I see in it.

Player salad. Hitler tell (mild accuse > play your own devil's advocate > outcome null). Interesting tell (mafia say interesting when they don't want to provoke). Forcing reads just to make the post look more exhaustive. Hell you even felt the need to point out three no shows which looked like an attempt to turn what was a rambling salad into a full game read.

Note to civs: If Sabie flips scum her refusal to offer a read on TSP because she has no meta stands in contrast to the fact that she made a non meta analysis of Creature/Epignosis. Very strong chances of TSP mafia if sabie mafia.

Also what's with picking on Glorfindel who is never Mafia. He subs out when he rolls mafia. It is known.

Anyone want to tell me why we shouldn't lynch Sabie today?

Sabie if you are a civilian I will find you. Just keep pushing past me and finding Mafia. Hot tip, I am obviously a civilian here.
I forgot about this. TSP is Mafia. Lynch it.

How bad does it suck to catch a wolf and then find out you were recruited? It’s pretty funny from over here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:26 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:22 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:56 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:44 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:43 pm What evidence is there to suggest that Mac was recruited?
I said possible recruit, not definite recruit
Everyone's a possible recruit. Why speculate if you're not gonna attach reasons to it?

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:44 pm It's not evidence, but it's indication: his play majorly changed.
How so? He was less of a presence, but I'd attribute that more to availability than alignment.

Macdougall is not a player who's afraid of the spotlight when he's mafia.
More Sloonei defending Mac.
Sloonei and I are Mafia. You solved the game. But you'll never convince anyone of it. Because we are too good at Mafia.

Imma spam pause and unpause and crawl my way past all your guards and explode your base.

GG super mutants.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:08 pm Creature is talking like someone who was recruited imo.
He was the first name that came to my mind after I typed my long-winded spiel about how the mutants would have treated their recruit.

sabie had next to nothing to say about him early, though I do believe she plopped some arbitrary shade on him late in Day 2 when he was getting votes (and also voted for him, I think?), but at that time both of them were exposed to heavy scrutiny and the necessity to avoid bussing would not have applied.

Mac and Sloon both think Creature was recruited.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:57 pm
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:08 pm Creature is talking like someone who was recruited imo.
And there it is.

Between you and Creature, I feel like I've seen a bigger change with Creature's behavior. So I would be more inclined to think he is the potential recruit over you.
Creature would (I think) be an odd choice as a recruit although the Mafia team wouldn’t have had anything to go on in terms of his play when they had to make their choice. Still, I think it’s unlikely. And I agree with you, I think you’ve been anything but useless since you’ve returned to us. I thought you’ve been most constructive in your comments and observations.

BWT and Glor do not.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:56 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:44 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:43 pm What evidence is there to suggest that Mac was recruited?
I said possible recruit, not definite recruit
Everyone's a possible recruit. Why speculate if you're not gonna attach reasons to it?

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:44 pm It's not evidence, but it's indication: his play majorly changed.
How so? He was less of a presence, but I'd attribute that more to availability than alignment.

Macdougall is not a player who's afraid of the spotlight when he's mafia.

More Sloonei defending Mac.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:53 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:43 pm What evidence is there to suggest that Mac was recruited?
I think it would be better to take a step back before exploring this question, actually.

How do we think sabie (and her partner, if they were active Day 1) would have treated their recruit?

Bearing in mind that the recruit would have been pseudo-lynchproof. They began the day with a -2 vote count, and would also have been indestructible at night. So they would not necessarily need protection in the short term, but there'd be no need to expose them to the threat of long term scrutiny either.

For instance, if the recruit had received the highest vote total Day 1, they would be likely to survive in spite of this as long as somebody else was within 1-2 votes of them on the poll. This would be a major red flag to every civilian. The mutants would absolutely want to avoid hanging their impending partner out to dry like that right off the bat (baseball metaphors activated). So I think it's likely they would have wanted to pitch around that player. But it's also worth noting that (I think) the recruit would have been unaware of their recruited status on Day 1, so they certainly would have also been unaware of their partners' identities. This is the ultimate advantage of the recruit; they are a genuine and earnest civilian on Day 1. The two original mafia members probably would want to avoid heavy confrontations with their recruit -- nothing high and tight off the plate -- for everyone's benefit; if Recruited Goon gets all worked up about something The Master did Day 1, then Recruited Goon needs to find an excuse to back off their target on Day 2, or else the team is caught in a bussing trap of their own making.

SO I guess what I'm saying is I'd expect mafia to tread lightly around their recruited player on Day 1.

So what Sloonei is saying here (beyond his questioning of a scum Mac) is that I am not the recruit, which again points to Sloonei or Mac being recruited.

Cool cool. Glad we’re on the same page.

There are reasons to believe Glor is antialigned with Sloonei and Sabie.

There are reasons to think BWT is antialigned with Sloonei.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:47 pm Sabie was around at EOD and “suspected” BWT and Sprityo, who ended the day tied with her at 2 votes each. She voted me to make it a 4 way tie instead of picking who dies between 2 players she suspected.

Jack is town and a prize mislynch but why didn’t she vote BWT or Sprityo? BWT was town.

This is nutso but there’s nothing to be gained from it.

Btw, I was after Sloonei too before he started doing walls.

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