The Syndicate

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:51 pm I mean from your PoV of spec, that would be the conclusion, but from my PoV, there's bus drivers, there's secrets, there's Naegi, there's a lot of stuff, it doesn't directly point towards no wolves.

It wasn’t locked in, sure, but there was just no discussion of it at all.

Not knowing how many wolves could be recruited total and having one flip town was scary from an in game town perspective but ultimately allowed the town to question the game state and possibly side with Monokuma, which I think was good design.

Like nobody thought the mafia could be dead off one red flip.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:19 am Why are you saying it like they are contradicting each other? Mafia had to kill too, no?

When I saw this, I was like “Oh good. They’ll realize there was no kill because there are no more wolves.”

And then that just didn’t happen.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:03 pm @sprityo

Night 3 did you forget to silence Okosan for Day 4? That's why I thought I was roleblocked.

Also, did a message from Monokuma fail to reach me?
Speedchuck busdrove the silence to himself and then died cause he also busdrove the mafia kill to himself

“The ultimate lucky student.”

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:15 pm Thanks for the wacky game, sprit. And well played, DDL and all. Jack catching the mean bear so quickly really threw a wrench in this game in a lot of ways, major props to him.

Playing as a stump is like ideal for me. I can just spout a bunch of crap and not worry about anything.

That was partly broken clock play because half my reasoning was the way he talked to me and he thought he was talking to Tony.

So me looking at an arbitrary (yet ultimately correct) poe and picking DDL out on post style was pretty good but Tony did just as good looking at the whole player list and narrowing it down to a poe of DDL plus a few on post style is equally impressive.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:06 am I liked a lot of this setup and there was some good work by town.
I think the major setup problem (and I guess this is thematic) is that the town has nothing to fight for. It seems rather disheartening. I think even giving the limit on Bear recruits clears that up. At least for me. But I also don’t think the town win con is well defined? Which is kinda iffy.
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I didn’t buy the DDL stuff but I figured I would win if I killed Sabie or at least more exciting stuff would happen so it’s still my best out.

No, that was perfect. We had to overcome our own selfishness and despair to let hope win.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:02 amwhat

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:38 am Welp, I tried.

Thanks for the game, sprityo!

A heroic effort. On paper, I thought Monokuma would get roflvoted by the whole town when the bargain started but you convinced two players.

Doesn’t count for reasons I’ll come up with later.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:22 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:19 pm Alright, it’s become more of a “let’s antagonise the fuck out of him when he’s trying to sort us” type of deal.

See ya tomorrow
We must also try to sort you. I’ve not been trying to antagonize you in the slightest. I feel like you’ve misconstrued several of my posts. I’m trying to decide whether or not I think that comes from an honest place.
Town misconstrues to a mental narrative, scum builds a fake narrative around the truth

Yarp.

(This is assuming there are two mafia recruits. If the lone mafia member decided to kill Mac and then Dom idk what they're doing.)

I'm very tickled by the idea that the mafia doesn't seem to give a shit about outnumbering the town but rather each individual mafia member just wants to get a kill off so they're targeting the lowest posters ie players less likely to be doctored.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:40 pm Yeah but

Monokuma can have PM communication with anyone. Including his recruits. In what world does Monokuma still not know his recruits' identities? And further, discuss kill targets?

I think Monokuma can recruit roles and message players.

He’d only be able to talk to his recruits if they up and message him, claiming to have been recruited. While I agree the soupkill is probably purely an anticlaim mechanic and Monokuma doesn’t want to kill the blackened, it’s still a risky thing for a recruit to do since Monokuma’s wincon is unknown.

Of course, DDL could ask his recruits to contact him via soapbox and now the main thread if that’s what he wanted. I guess we’ll see.

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:34 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:27 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:14 pm Does it make Sloonei confirmed towny?
How?
because she was DDL's counterwagon, how big are the odds first recruit and Monokuma got both tied?

Assuming an equal chance of all players being counterwagon (with only 2 non townies) and all players being recruited, the odds of Sloonei being the recruit are the same as anyone else’s.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:11 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:40 pm Ha HA!

I still got the ability to use seemingly harmless powers to great effect.

I haven’t been this happy with a mafia play since I used a notepads to convince someone he had joined my nonexistent cult.
In my defense that stuff only worked because sprityo was confusing as fuck and made me think I was still talking to TSP, not to a new person. So that reply of mine was a continuation of my convo with TSP.

Shhhhhh. You’re ruining it.

I’m tapped out, guys. You’re gonna have to solve the rest of this without me.

(More like the emotional wringer of playing DR2.)

Best case scenario: He can’t recruit anymore.
More reasonable case scenario: He’s the antagonist of the series and probably needed to be lynched at some point.
Worst case scenario: Now we know not to listen to DDL and he can’t muck up the polls.

I hope that actually helped cause for all we know it didn’t.

Notepass*

Ha HA!

I still got the ability to use seemingly harmless powers to great effect.

I haven’t been this happy with a mafia play since I used a notepads to convince someone he had joined my nonexistent cult.

About six and a half inches.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:52 pm I could see Jack risking the soup kill just for the thrill of it and the chance of joining the cult.

There is more to this game than just the wincon. Especially a game based on a series he loves.

Which leads me back to my message from Monokuma coming from you.

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:57 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine
we need another tie to rule out who's the bear

Too much vote manipulation running around. Now is not the time for info lynches.

Yesterday’s vote count didn’t even really tell us anything.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:57 pm

And you wouldn't have the balls to do that...

... wouldja, Jack?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:39 pm If Jack PMed the bear, he has almost certainly made an offer to work with him somehow, in order to increase his r look like, but being able to PM back and forth indiscriminately offers a lot of possibility. I don't trust Jack to work for the students, against Monokuma.

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

Hey hey.

The only way I could work with Monokuma would be to reveal my true name to a role holding a death note.

One does not negotiate with bears. One lays traps for them.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:08 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:12 pm Just realized I can't clear Okosan because of the posts because I don't know what they talk like when they're not a bear
I've been playing him for years and I've only seen him drop the bird roleplay once. In a single post. When there was a huge wagon on him and nobody wss believing him defense.

Okosan does not not talk like a bird.

I mean....even in a scum to town note pass?

I like Tony’s shortlist.

It agrees with a mix of my reads and Insomnia’s.

I’ll keep in mind Coo could be scum for raisins.

Voting someone completely worthless, that has NO VOTES, bandwagoning on a vote that's really far ahead (those already contradict each other) > day two mentality

Jesus.

He’s saying it’s either or.

2 vote wagon
3 vote wagon
6 vote wagon <- vote here so the 6 vote wagon looks like a forgone 7 vote wagon and nobody notices you don’t have a vote

3 vote wagon
3 vote wagon
4 vote wagon
0 vote offwagon <- or vote here so your vote doesn’t come near a tie and reveal you don’t have a vote.

It’s not a contradiction. It’s alternative strategies.

Monokuma wanting to blend and hide his vote is only contradictory if there are big tied wagons.

Okosan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:54 pm COOOOO! (Furthermore if Jack stays alive it starts to look more and more sus to everyone and can very easily lead to a mislynch )

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:51 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:32 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:28 pm It doesn't work. It assumes the bear believed you. Sloonei almost never believes you, no matter what the message says. Simple as that.
The bear seemed to believe me.

I said “Recruit *character name* ” and Monokuma said he wouldn’t recruit me yet.

So maybe I’m a sucker but if the bear believed me, Sloonei isn’t the bear.
COOO! (Btw if anyone ever tells Monokuma their character name they 100% will never be recruited unless it's a really good role for him to have. It's infinitely better just to keep you alive and soup kill you in the future)
Interesting take. It’s wrong: if I were the bear and could 100 percent guarantee that Jack were telling the truth (easy, just ask for role secret), I’d always recruit him. Efficient? Probably not, but I don’t think the soup kill is anything other than an end of game tool and a protection against mass claims.

Lol yeah cause I’m unlynchable and funny.

[VOTE: DDL ] aubergine for now.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:42 pm I'm not a fan of no flip mafia but it does remind me of one of my favorite games of all time so allow me to reminisce:

3 vanilla scum
1 cop
1 doctor
8-10ish townies

Basic setup. I roll cop and night 1 red peek someone. So I push that case day 2. He claims cop and that he has town confirmed X (another scum member). OK. Whatever. He was a better player than me, I get lynched. Scum kills him night 2 and the person who got "town confirmed" coasts out the rest of the game.

Back in the good ol days.

Now that’s a big brain mafia play.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:29 pm So did the bear's vote not count yesterday, supposing he was voting Epi?

Yeah. Non secrets have Leon and Monokuma as the only vote modifiers yesterday. Today, we also have Aoi and Byakuya. Assuming those roles are all in play.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:28 pm It doesn't work. It assumes the bear believed you. Sloonei almost never believes you, no matter what the message says. Simple as that.

The bear seemed to believe me.

I said “Recruit *character name*

” and Monokuma said he wouldn’t recruit me yet.

So maybe I’m a sucker but if the bear believed me, Sloonei isn’t the bear.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:25 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:49 pm [VOTE: Dom] aubergine
This makes me want to light clear DDL. He puts himself under presumed extra scrutiny for being on a major wagon.

Denied. That was the second Dom vote.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:21 pm Clearing Sloonei because Sloonei pushed you earlier is weak though.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:17 pm By the way, Long Con was wrong, Epi voters can't be cleared as not monokuma because

1) there's leon
2) there's tie dude
3) monokuma can't vote ONLY IF HE IS FOUND. So his vote still counts.

1) What I said yesterday
2) What I said yesterday
3) Nah, it’s in the rules (not the setup) that his vote doesn’t count

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:14 pm Jack I haven't really read the thread do you have a reason to clear LC

He’s derped all over every Monokuma related mechanic. If he’s Monokuma, he’d have to have come into the game planning to do exactly that. I’ve wolfed with LC a few times. He’s a good coordinator but doesn’t start with master plans like say Eva or Rokk.

Imagine getting a message from Monokuma like

Coo! (I’ll recruit you if you tell me you’re role.)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:08 pm Another thing, I thought that Jack slipped tagging me and TSP because, even though we never mentioned we PM'd the bear, he tagged us and said "@tedexter @tsp and anyone that pm'd the bear"

and I took that as a massive slip, because obviously, only the bear knows who pm'd him.

that's why I asked TSP if he pm'd the bear.

but it could be just a really weird coincidence, because I said that I had info and TSP was gonna provide a case of some sort. but the way he mentioned us and then he immediately types after our names "and anyone else who pm'd the bear..."

is really incriminating.

So, I'm at like bear in Jack - Long Con

Oooooor you and TSP were both like “I have something but Idk if I’ll share it/I’ll share it tomorrow” so I wanted ya’ll to just talk about what you had.

Linki: Lol

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:48 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:37 pm So I'm gonna assume whomever Bearo is, he knows Epi fairly well so I think we can discount the new people there. But, at this point we should have a mafia player to hunt right?
Since there was a night kill last night I belive there are Two mafia currenty on top of Monokuma.

It’s D2. I’m assuming the new recruit can immediately kill.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:37 pm Also quick pitch what if there isn't any mafia players at all and the only non town person is Bearo

Lol read the setup, Sig.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:38 pm Also ALso Jack saying he talked to Bearo and dropping that info makes me think again he's Bearo.

Or wants to be recruited/was since he said he wanted to be so we should take him out maybe?

Aha! But the only player who can’t message Monokuma is Monokuma. Therefore, I can’t be him. Checkmate!

Again, what is the advantage to lynching a townie who hasn’t been recruited? Even if I wanted to be recruited and the bear knew who I was and wanted to recruit me (all of which are pretty big ifs), lynching me before I’m recruited just means the bear will recruit someone else so lynching me is the same as lynching any other townie.

If you think I’ll be recruited later, it stands to reason you should fail to lynch me later instead of failing to lynch me today.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:06 pm Jack, answer this.

Yes or no?

you and i both know what question it is if i'm on the right track

I have no idea what you’re talking about so I’m going to venture a no.

Regarding soup kills, I found them to be just about worthless in a previous game because trading a standard nk for a soup nk if only one person has claimed is pretty useless.

That said, after a mafia has been recruited (if Monokuma has limited shots or even after there is a single wolf), Monokuma doesn’t have to give up a kill to soupkill.

Linki: Raisins. Don’t worry about it.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:53 am Lmfao good derp clear on me and jack

At least 3 people have already made the same mistake but I’m not really worried about you being Monokuma anyway.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:46 am It's easier to achieve a lynch on a converted fella who's not outposting someone and can't fake towniness.

Lol lynch all good players?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:42 am I think the correct mechanical play is lynching Jack because there's a big chance he was converted, and if he was not, he is going to be.

Can you unpack that thought?

Why is the chance of me being converted higher than anyone else?

And what is the advantage of lynching a townie who could be converted later? Wouldn’t that mean Monokuma would just recruit someone else, making lynching a future recruit the same as lynching any other townie?

Also I’m still unlynchable so it’s a silly suggestion.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:32 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:31 am Let’s go @TonyStarkPrime @tedxtr.

Anyone else who talked to Monokuma want to weigh in? I’m like the only guy who didn’t get that K2 was Kyle or the other soapbox was LC. I’m pretty junk at comparing posting style and it was a one sentence message.
what am i supposed to help you with? why am i tagged here

You said you might have a lead but weren’t sure if you wanted to share it. So share it.

Let’s go [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] [mention]tedxtr[/mention].

Anyone else who talked to Monokuma want to weigh in? I’m like the only guy who didn’t get that K2 was Kyle or the other soapbox was LC. I’m pretty junk at comparing posting style and it was a one sentence message.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:47 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:49 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:43 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:42 am I’m reasonably certain I incorrectly “cleared” Monokuma yesterday. I think our bear is DDL.
Explain if you may
I sent a message to Monokuma asking that he recruit a specific role and implied it was mine.) Is it? Probably not )

Monokuma did not attempt to soupkill me and said they weren’t going to recruit me yet, implying they believed me and did not feel threatened by me. Additionally, they said something that kinda implied they knew me prior to this game.

So Monokuma is almost certainly not Sloonei or Fayt or Coo. Probably not Dom either.

Additionally, though I’m not great at this kind of thing, the message sounded like DDL. DDL was one of my weaker clears from yesterday.
Assuming you are telling the truth.

What was it about their response that impled they knew you?

And what was it that implied it was me?

Seems like you are making some leaps here.

I’m not sure if I’m allowed to quote messages from not the host.

I’m totally making leaps.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:07 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:53 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:52 am Why does that clear me? Have we not met?

Hello I’m Sloonei.
Why would you bother pushing me when you could recruit me or soupkill me?
They might have lied to you in thought.
The soup kill is a single use or 1-shot from how i read it atleast.

Could have. But at that point, why not ignore me? The message wasn’t long enough to be fucking with me.

I don’t think it’s a one shot.

I leave room for the possibility that recruitment is better than soup or Monokuma didn’t believe my “claim.”

But if somebody was all over you and then said he wanted you to recruit him, wouldn’t you take it?

Like Monokuma Dom should be at least slightly worried I’m going to bring him down if he doesn’t recruit me. Sloonei would probably focus elsewhere today.

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