The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:39 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:31 pm I don’t blame FG for shooting me tbh, I told her i wouldn’t hold it against her and I meant it.

I do blame you and jack and johann for incredibly bad and, at least for you and jack, very premature pushes on me. You always have to give it a night to see if I get poisoned first or not
You say "you blame us" but you literally are the primary catalyst for the POE not having scum in it on the day that I got shot by Johann. You wanted to take Wilgy and Boo out and FG wanted to take G-Man out to the point where neither were being considered as shots by Johann whatsoever. Johann was always shooting town that night because his choices was town/town, a choice that you made for him.

This whole scenario makes me and Jack, who were literally realising that we were both town at the same time, have a very short list of candidates to suspect. Our options there are to either assume you're scum driving mislynches on us, or to assume you are wrong. We both tried to get out of you what you based your reads on so we could figure out if you were wrong, but you just gave us the Nanook treatment.

At any rate, take all the context away you want. But my bad push on you, is fine. I was wrong. So were you for most of the game. We both suck.

Ditto this.

I think I was always going to have a really hard time finding town Nanook or town Boo this game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:14 pm I would like a rerand, I feel like we'd be better at it after the experience. It was a difficult game to figure out tactically.

I still don't know what to do tactically besides treat it like regular mafia and have the shots be a formality.

No shade to GMan or Wilgy but I feel like them being under the RADAR was enabled by the setup. They didn't have to take a hard stance on anyone else because their opinion never entered into the shot. It was also way easier to view Nanook's honest shot on Drago as a bus because the kill was entirely decided by him. No optimal or impossible place for scum to jump onto a wagon. No off wagon votes or counterwagons or anything. It was entirely Nanook's call and that made it hard to evaluate how much he really thought Drago was scum or not.

boo wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:13 pm I think we can all agree we'll blame Jack more then you. :P

Oh well.

Well played, guys.

15 min.

I’m nervous but I think it’s over one way or the other right here.

I kinda prefer to lose for being outplayed by a wolf instead of the entire town just eating ourselves alive so I really hope we’re right on GMan.

Like the only mechanically possible wolf I could lose to at this point and be happy is FG. I’d be very happy to lose to her rn. I’m gonna be a little mad at myself if it’s GMan/Boo or GMan/Wilgy.

All in.

[VOTE: GMan] aubergine

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 8:09 pm Okay, I wasn't going to say anything about THAT post that Boo just made, but I think I probably should. It feels like Boo is trying to set up an association between him and Jack in case he gets shot tonight. I don't think Boo believed that G-Man would actually get votes if he voted for him, probably for similar reasons. Either way, I'm going to let you make the final decision, G-Man, but I just figured I'd offer my input on THAT post in case it's helpful.

I took it as more of an appeal to me because GMan shooting Wilgy beats a Wilgy/Boo team.

I’m struggling to find why town Boo would post that.

boo wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 7:04 pm I no longer trust Gman. The amount of work he's now putting in has me worried he's trying to shore up getting people to vote for him and it's actually him and Wilgy.

I'm gonna go ahead and [VOTE: Jack] aubergine, cause if I've been wrong all game (and so far, that holds up), it clears him. Then he can either lose the town the game and shoot me (which admittedly, with how we've played, is deserved), or shoot Wilgy or something. I don't know. It doesn't matter. I can do no right, so fuck all of you!

Congrats. I’ve never been more confused in my life.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 5:18 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:30 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:25 am I like G-man. I'ma put a good read on him.
Why?
I think Sloonei mentioned this post, too, when talking about G-Man and Dragomir. Granted, it's easy to just ask why to a partner when they townread you, but if this was orchestrated, I feel like there should have been more than just a why? That interaction more feels like town asking someone why they townread them. Thus, they aren't with Dragomir?

This is like identical to Drago’s reaction to my townread of him.

So...fine.

I’ve had a townread on GMan all game. Bet the game it’s Wilgy/Boo? Alright.

It’s not mechanically correct from my pov but it’s probably still a win. Mechanically correct over gut didn’t work last game so let’s go with the opposite.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 3:38 pm Alright, I'll give you the gun, G-Man.

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

How confident are you that GMan is town?

What’s the most convincing reason to townread him?

If GMan is town, him getting the gun solves the game fmpov and I think I can get a town GMan to shoot Wilgy or Boo over me, especially if he has a bunch of free time to read all of his Poe’s posts.

I’ll back this plan if you’re sure GMan is town.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 3:06 pm Quarrelsome day in the house of G. We’re cleaning up the basement and I found two boxes of random cleaning supplies. Not knowing what I need and what I can pitch, I called my mother. Rather than just giving advice over the phone, she insists on coming over. You can imagine how happy that makes my wife, whose definition of a clean house is documented to be several levels below that of my mother’s. So yeah, give me the gun because it looks like I’ll have all night to work on more reads while I’m sleeping on the couch!

Trying to review while via sneaking short reading sessions when I can work them in. Casing Funnygurl and Jack is... extensive, mostly because they have the most posts of all non-poisoned living players left in the game.

From a strategic standpoint, I have my doubts based on how Funnygurl got the gun Day 4 and was a little spastic over the decision. I don’t know that that happens if they’re paired up unless they were that scared of chancing Nanook with the gun again. Even if Nanook did get the gun, a baddie Funnygurl is planted pretty deep in civ reads. She may only look suspicious post-Jack if she isn’t poisoned before Lylo.

I still have more work to do on this one, but it really seems like it’s Wilgy plus either Boo or Jack at this point.

Voting for myself now because I don’t trust anyone else who can get the gun today and I know that we’ll get an additional 24 hours to work this out if I receive it.

What’s the strongest reason I should believe that you’re town, that Wilgy is mafia and if you are given the gun (barring further digging), is your shot going to be Wilgy?

Im loving what GMan is doing here.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 10:19 pm Wait, wasn't someone pushing a Johann+Jack world at some point while Johann was still alive? Who was that?

Boo.

His refusal to explain the read was part of the reason he became widely scumread.

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:06 pm In reading Boo's iso, I'm seeing more aggression than hunting. Is that normal? @Sloonei @MacDougall

Like the previous post is a perfect example. He's not calling me scum. He's shoving me. Most of his iso is that. The rest is him flip flopping on Nutella and Duskfall reads.

I'd be okay with shooting this considering we're going to see less damning stuff in this setup than normal.
I didn't flip flop on nutella, I called her mafia all day. I also didn't really flip flop on Dusk. I didn't trust him, but I never would've gone for shooting him.

And while addressing my calling you out on not actually doing a proper read of Dusk, you didn't actually explain how you got that bad of information from reading his ISO.

So, here you are then: you're mafia Jack. Along with Johann. I wish there was a third J to include. JJJ, come sub in so we can shoot you.

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:47 pm
Johann wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:39 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:12 pm
Johann wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:03 pm What i find interesting is that i am scum to hyena and boo but neither made a case why
I'm not interested in advocating your getting shot yet. Jack would need to go first. The result of that would tie in to you.
Why not shoot me first tho?
If jack flip should give you info about me shouldnt my death also provide info for jack?

I just dont buy it. It sounds bad and it is bad.

You called me scum but never bothered to explain why
You called my theory about dusk dumb but never bothered to explain why

To me you are just smoke but no fire. Your accusations have no substance and thus you yourself have no substance. And i am perfectly okay if you get shot

No, he connects to you in certain demonstrable ways he has shown. It doesn't flip in the other direction.

I didn't call it dumb, I called it wrong.

To me, it doesn't matter what I am to you. You aren't going to get the gun today, so I don't need to preventing you from wanting to shoot me, and I don't want you shot yet, so it doesn't serve the order of my suspicions to go after you with every reason I have for it.

You're stuck in the mindset of there being lynches. View it all outside of that, and then let that make you play differently, and maybe it will make some sense to you.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 10:27 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 12:51 pm Skimming Dusk's iso, I think he was poisoned for being a consensus townread, not for having particularly scary reads since he was mostly after Hyena and Nutella and not even that harshly. Pushes my Hyena read south slightly all the same.

So here is our player list with players I have a reason to townread besides "Idk they feel pretty townie" (ie Hyena and Nanook) are crossed out

boo
Dragomir
DrWilgy
Duskfall
Funnygurl555
G-Man
Hyena
Jackofhearts2005
Johann
MacDougall
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Sloonei

So let's look at...

boo
DrWilgy
Funnygurl555
Hyena
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Sloonei

Those first three.
Why were you townreading Dragomir when you made this post, Jack?

There were iirc two posts Drago made pregame or D1 that looked really pure. One in relation to Nutella. In hindsight, it was a really undeserved townread. I can find the posts if you want. Think Sloonei quoted them in one of his walls.

Or maybe not. If Boo is indeed scum, his flip would have made me more convinced it was Nanook. He probably gets shot today and we’re in the same place, still not knowing for sure if it’s Wilgy or GMan.

Maybe I get poisoned instead of you. Idk if that makes things easier or not.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 10:18 pm Funny, why couldn't you have just shot Boo last night? ;-; That would've made things easier, I think.

It would have and it’s my and Nanook’s fault.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 9:59 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 9:59 pm Ultimately, it feels like we're always going to come back to having to figure out you and Boo. If this is the case, then maybe it is a good idea to try to give one of you the gun, so that we can see if we can get one of you mechanically cleared.
Because from my perspective, there HAS to be at least one town between you two. I do not for a second believe you two are w/w.

Boo and I probably shoot each other if given the gun.

So the first question is if you think there’s any chance at all we’re both town.

If not, giving the gun to the more townie of us kills a wolf.

If you somehow determine we’re t/t (and i don’t think we are), you have to give the gun to me and then convince me it’s GMan+Wilgy. I don’t think town Boo ever reevaluates me even if he is town. None of his scumreads flipping town has caused him to reevaluate any of his previous reads.

Like my inner self is screaming at me to both do lots of talking and to do no talking at all.

Wish people would just vote for me or at least finalize their presumed wolfteams.

Like Wilgy thinks it's me and Boo which is nuts. GMan is slowly working down a POE which is fine but there's no answer as of now. Boo thinks it's me and FG which is also nuts but whatever.

There's nothing for me to work with there. Nuts and unfinished.

Can [mention]Funnygurl555[/mention] and [mention]Hyena[/mention] just give me the gun under the idea that at least I have no partner? And then we can start talking about who should be shot? Mechanically confirming me town at least forces Boo and Wilgy to do something instead of sitting on bad reads that may or may not be fake.

I have this probably unreasonable fear that in trying to solve which of my 3 player POE are the 2 wolves, I'm going to make the townie in that group feel like I'm trying to get them mislynched and make it both impossible for me to get the gun (with all 3 members of the poe refusing to vote for me) and encourage the poe to defend themselves and tinfoil me instead of actually do anything that would solve the game.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:47 pm Here ya go. Here's me eliminating all pairings that Jack could be a part of --

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 4:30 am So, I remembered eliminating certain pairings that Jack could be in, but I couldn't remember which ones, outside of Boo --
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 5:10 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 8:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:53 pm I kinda want to shoot Jack. Does anyone object?
I have no reason to single Jack out as a suspect. He wasn't here when I was here last night. But at least if he gets shot he can preserve his unlynchable claim some more.
I don't like that Jack is acting low key. He's also skating. He also won't get lynched if he's scum. I think he's a good shot. Maybe not the most likely to flip wolf but he's the most likely to flip wolf in a way that destroys the scum team if he is one.

Also I do think he is one. I don't believe half the shit he says. He's just applied an urgent scattery tone to the few posts he's made that makes it look authentic. He cleared Johann off being wrongtown and I never understand people that do that. Johann/Jack feel teamy to me.
I agree with the feel of Jack, but I wouldn't think them to be w/w.

That's two of the people you had previously confirmed. Was there anything other than the above that changed that?
So, if Jack is actually Wilgy's partner, would he push Jack but ALSO defend Johann here? Like, if his partner Jack flipped mafia, he'd WANT people to think Johann could be teamed with him. So, like, I'm pretty confident in saying that Jack and Wilgy are never w/w here.
I still stand by this read. Thus, in my mind --

Jack/Wilgy isn't a thing based on the above reasoning
Jack/Boo isn't a thing based on their arguments against each other since, like, D3?
Jack/Funny isn't a thing because that would require Funny to be mafia, which I don't believe is the case.
Jack/Johann isn't a thing because Johann is confirmed town by being poisoned.
Jack/Hyena isn't a thing because I'm town.
Jack/Nanook could be a thing, but they get found if we stick to the current plan.
The only other person (in the game) is G-Man, but G-Man's now trying to pair him with Nanook as the scum team.

Thus, I don't think I'd want to go after Jack today.

What happened to this?

Is it better or worse than your reasoning for giving GMan the gun?

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 8:29 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 7:22 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 5:47 pm I've been doing some thinking, and I think I want to stick to the townreads and PoE that I original had -- {me, Funny, G-Man} town, and {Jack, Boo, Wilgy} PoE. Obviously, the only person in that towncore that I can give the gun to right now is G-Man. I'm okay with losing to him if he's scum. I feel like the emotional reaction he had around D2ish(?) kinda cleared him for me.

Coincidentally, Boo is already voting for him. If my townread on G-Man is accurate and my PoE is accurate, then Boo is voting town when he could be trying to vote for scum to get the gun if Boo is scum.

Thus, this is what I'm going to propose -- we give the gun to G-Man, and he shoots Jack. In theory, this should clear Boo for tomorrow, which means if Jack flips scum and Funny gets poisoned, we can give the gun to Boo tomorrow. The only person who has been pushing a Jack+Boo world is coincidentally Wilgy, which is who I'd want Boo to shoot tomorrow if we get to that point. I know a Jack+Wilgy world makes even less sense than Wilgy being scum by himself, but I'm throwing logic out the door at this point and sticking to my intuition.
Buuuut if GMan shoots me, we lose.
Then we lose together again, friend. <3

I don't wanna lose again. We found each other as town there and tinfoiled into a loss. I don't want to do that.

Do you agree that if Boo is town, we just lose anyway so we can safely shoot there and it can only help?

Giving the gun to GMan means we bet the game on GMan being town (which might not be a bad idea but I'd rather take another 72 hours to decide on that) and then we bet the game on GMan shooting a wolf.

If you and FG trust GMan more than you trust me, fine. Cause giving the gun to me is the same calculation except I know I'm town. The rest of the town still has to bet the game on that being true, same as if they give GMan the gun.

But it can never be "Give X the gun and shoot Jack."

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 5:47 pm I've been doing some thinking, and I think I want to stick to the townreads and PoE that I original had -- {me, Funny, G-Man} town, and {Jack, Boo, Wilgy} PoE. Obviously, the only person in that towncore that I can give the gun to right now is G-Man. I'm okay with losing to him if he's scum. I feel like the emotional reaction he had around D2ish(?) kinda cleared him for me.

Coincidentally, Boo is already voting for him. If my townread on G-Man is accurate and my PoE is accurate, then Boo is voting town when he could be trying to vote for scum to get the gun if Boo is scum.

Thus, this is what I'm going to propose -- we give the gun to G-Man, and he shoots Jack. In theory, this should clear Boo for tomorrow, which means if Jack flips scum and Funny gets poisoned, we can give the gun to Boo tomorrow. The only person who has been pushing a Jack+Boo world is coincidentally Wilgy, which is who I'd want Boo to shoot tomorrow if we get to that point. I know a Jack+Wilgy world makes even less sense than Wilgy being scum by himself, but I'm throwing logic out the door at this point and sticking to my intuition.

Buuuut if GMan shoots me, we lose.

I think FG has the most natural antialignment with Drago. I think that [mention]DrWilgy[/mention] and [mention]G-Man[/mention] and [mention]Hyena[/mention] can all agree that her interactions with me yesterday should clear her and me from being teamed.

Her reaction to my pushes seemed entirely townminded. I don’t think she wanted to shoot Nanook. I think she was scared to shoot me or Boo but wanted to shoot Boo.

I think we can all agree to just let any scumteam with FG just win at this point. Is that fair?

Voted for myself cause I’m the only one I trust.

I’d shoot Boo at this point based on the idea he has been scummiest in a vacuum and we probably lose anyway if he’s town so we might as well lose now or kick the van down the road.

Plus forcing GMan and Wilgy to case each other and pour wine all over me sounds like a great way to turn things around.

Me still townreading Wilgy and GMan like.

Idk why I ruled out GMan/Wilgy.

Probably because Boo has been so damn scummy in a vacuum?

If Boo’s town can we even still win? Is that even worth worrying about? Say I blast Wilgy and he flips scum. Hyena dies. FG gets poisoned. Gun then has to go to GMan or Boo. Townie between them always shoots the wolf between them if given the gun because that’s literally the only unconfirmed player.

Idk how I would ever find town Boo if Boo is town though. He hasn’t explained his reads all game. He hasn’t been nice to anyone all game. Like if Boo has to appeal to FG/Jack and convey that he’s town over GMan or Wilgy, he probably fails miserably.

Under that idea, we probably have to shoot Boo today. We lose if he’s town and we have to shoot him if he’s scum....right?

If I got a free wolf flip on Wilgy/Boo/GMan, I’m not sure I could pick out the other wolf. I’m so fucking lost I need all three of them to post more.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 11:40 pm Like, it has to be Boo + Jack right? and Jack's argument on why he wasn't possibly scum can be invalidated because it was a bus before Boo returned.

God, if it was me and Boo, I’d have bussed him by now. As much as I like his updates, he’s been a massive pain to play with. Rude and not hunting and just absent for a whole day. I’d be confirmed town by shooting him in most players eyes or pushing hard on him. I could have gone Boo -> Nanook easily. FG wanted to shoot Boo. I didn’t let her cause I’m an idiot and thought I’d only one of them was town, it would be Boo. Let myself tinfoil into a Nanook/FG world even though I strongly townread a FG until she got the gun and didn’t want to shoot Nanook.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 8:06 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 5:50 pm Ok Jack, if it's not you, then who? Let's pretend we're both town for a minute. Let's say Boo is mafia. Who should replace you/me in the POE?
If I magically knew you were town and Boo was scum, I'd be looking at how people reacted to things today.

FG and Hyena are pushing to keep you out of the poe. Both have said one of me and Boo should be scum, which isn't logical. These things make sense from a perspective of the scumteam being Nanook/FG or Nanook/Hyena. They mislynch Boo and use that flip to pursue a mislynch on me ftw. These things do not make sense from the perspective of a Boo/FG or a Boo/Hyena scumteam. They're giving up a Nanook mislynch. They're probably giving up a Jack mislynch because honestly, Boo always goes before me unless they take matters into their own hands. Even if FG or Hyena gets the gun and shoots me, it locks Boo into the next lynch by their own reasoning (and by a third townie that Boo said he was certain was scum and died saying to shoot Boo) and makes them look bad for personally shooting me instead of Boo. Basically, FG and Hyena's play today damn near rules them out from being scum with Boo in particular.

GMan has wrung his hands a lot today. In a town Nanook, scum Boo world, I can't rule him out atm. He's townread Boo and wanted to hang onto that read. My gut instinct is still that he's town even if you flip town but he'd be a player I start looking at harder.

Wilgy has laid out two worlds. 1) Jack is right and Nanook/Boo are mafia. 2) Jack is mafia with Boo. So if he's teamed with Boo, he's already in bus mode. I think trying to tie Nanook or Jack (who we magically know are town in this exercise) would be a bad look.

I'm kinda like
80% - Nanook and Boo
5% - Nanook and FG
5% - Nanook and Hyena
5% - Boo and Wilgy
2.5% - Nanook and GMan
2.5% - Boo and GMan

I can probably find reasons to adjust a lot of those percentages if that first one wasn't just so high.

This is again why I'm advocating for a Nanook lynch. It's just way easier to hide as his teammate. Even a Nanook townflip does a ton to solve the game. Puts us in a position where we really only have to evaluate two players. I'd much rather shoot town Nanook and risk the game on figuring out which of 2 players is Boo's partner than shoot town Boo and then 1) have to find Nanook's teammate in a pool of 4 players and 2) have to fight Nanook, Nanook's teammate and a couple townies who are hanging onto Nanook townreads to actually get the gun to even get the 1 in 4 chance to win.

If I have no scum, we lose. If I have both scum, we win. If I have one scum, and we shoot scum first, it doesn't really matter. If I have one scum and we shoot town first, I'd much prefer to shoot town Nanook over town Boo.

Fuck shit damn.

So often it’s like poeing out the quiet players and losing to the deep wolf. Now we’re stuck with a suspect pool of quiet players and not enough to evaluate them with.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:22 pm By the way, I want control over who gets the gun today. I'm hijacking this game now that I'm confirmed town. <3

I’m fine with that. If you can confirm GMan or Wilgy, I’ll vote there.

Or I’ll take the ball and work together to figure this out.

It’s just soooo demotivating. Jesus.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:16 pm I might give Jack the gun actually, Boo.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:17 pm ok Jack, solve the game

Idk. All my suspects are so far behind nothing they say makes sense in any alignment.

I’m probably just gonna shut up for awhile. God knows I’ve said enough.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:03 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:02 pm Yeah, I had a feeling that poison was coming, lol.
They didn't want me to get the gun today, I think.

Maybe.

Wolves knew Nanook or me or Boo was going down.

They targeted you.

Last time, wolves knew Nanook or Boo was going down and they targeted Johann.

Time before that, they didn’t know who was going down and they targeted Dusk.

I’m trying to get in the wolves’ heads here and I just got nothing. Proooooobably because both wolves are really far behind.

I’m tempted to just sheep your reads.

I’m in the unenviable position of having just hard pushed a flipped townie and being the only option I trust. Like the win from my pov requires I get the gun and make a correct shot OR pick out a townie who makes the correct shot. Option A is mathematically easier but idk how I’m ever gonna get the gun.

Sorry [mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] . Not for having a bad read but for pissing you off.

I have FG and myself locktown.

I don’t know who the wolves are. Like...probably Boo but it’s hard to read a guy who doesn’t do anything. And Wilgy and GMan didn’t really care if Boo went down. Can it be Wilgy/GMan? Idk if that’s even worth considering cause I’d have to get the gun and shoot one and then we’d probably have to give the gun to Boo and hope he shoots the other, which is a huge ask.

I really hate kingmaker. More than one player should be forced to take a stand at the end of the day. And since only the person with the gun has any power, you have to just believe their emotion or not believe it. Like I don’t think FG was being dishonest but it’s easier to say she was being honest if she has to actually fight other people to lynch her read instead of being able to ham and haw and shoot whoever.

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:15 pm The real question is wtf anyone still thought shooting Nanook was a good idea.

Jack & FG are the mafia.

Dude you’ve been gone for three days. Even if we knew you were town, why would we take your advice?

You have to explain your reads. This is how three townies got bad scumreads on Nanook.

leetic wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:01 pm @boo
@DrWilgy
@Funnygurl555
@G-Man
@Hyena
@Jackofhearts2005
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME was shot! He was vanilla town. Hyena was poisoned. Today is MyLo, a misshot will end the game! You have 48 hours to pick someone to give the gun to.

Fuuuuuuuck me.

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 7:59 pm Hi. Haven't read in days. Classes started this week and moving in a couple weeks so just haven't had time. Will read what I've missed tonight once the day starts if I'm alive.

Welcome back.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 3:29 pm jack what are u gonna do if nanook flips town

how confident are u

Forfeit.

100%

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 3:16 pm to be fair g-man just ain't here

Meaning wolf GMan absolutely can’t endgame alone without wolf Boo if that’s the world we’re in.

So why wasn’t he the fourth voice for shooting Nanook yesterday? That could have turned the tide and gotten his team a mislynch and made both me and Mac and even Johann look horrible.

He didn’t do that because that’s not the world we’re in.

You can’t excuse Nanook’s scummy behavior over the idea that he wouldn’t bus and then turn around and go “Guess whoever’s teamed with Boo is bussing him.”

It doesn’t make any damned sense.

Btw I really hate kingmaker. So much.

Being an on the bubble player means if I fight hard enough with a correct scumread, I can almost always convince people my scumread is scummier than me and my scumread gets lynched.

Being an on the bubble player in kingmaker means people keep shooting people I wouldn’t shoot if I had the gun.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 3:08 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 3:06 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 3:03 pm i think both you and nanook are town

And you think Boo is scum.

So we’re back to “Then why does Boo’s teammate want to shoot Boo and not Nanook?”

Tell me that you think wolf Wilgy or wolf G-Man thinks they can endgame by saying their teammate Boo should be shot and I’ll call you a damn liar.

1 should have been “wolf”

One of two things happens if you shoot Boo.

1) Boo flips town and the logical answer is to flip the player who has been hard defending him for shitty reasons, Nanook.

2) Boo flips town and it becomes clear that Nanook is scum....with the player who defended him by saying she’d shoot him and then immediately turning around to threaten to shoot her “townread” before being scared into shooting the most suspicious townie. At which point we shoot Nanook and FG for blasting a townie while ignoring the reads of two confirmed town who told her it was Nanook.

It’s probably gonna be option one. It probably doesn’t matter which of them get shot, especially since I’ll see be around to remind everyone of this even if I get poisoned.

But I don’t understand the mindset of “I think Boo is a wolf and I don’t think Nanook is his partner.” It makes no sense to me. Nanook’s treatment of Boo is where the suspicion of Nanook started.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 3:03 pm i think both you and nanook are town

And you think Boo is scum.

So we’re back to “Then why does Boo’s teammate want to shoot Boo and not Nanook?”

The entire Nanook bs Jack first STARTED BECAUSE NANOOK TRIED TO TAKE BOO OUT OF THE POE WITHOUT SAYING WHY.

That fight expanded to take up the past three phases and two townies died saying what I’m saying.

It’s absolutely insane to me that people think Boo and me or Nanook and me are a viable wolfteam.

I miss Mac and Johann. I cannot stand having zero townreads who are paying attention.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 2:56 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 12:00 pm @Hyena a @G-Man man @DrWilgy @boo

jack or nanook
Between those two it's Jack.

But that argument only works if Boo is bad. I do not think there is a world where Jack is wolf where Boo is not his teammate based on his arguments regarding his own alignment.

What I'm trying to say is I think Nanook vs Jack is not important right now.

I don’t even understand how you can have this take. It just blows my mind.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 2:53 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 9:32 am
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 2:50 am i also read up to a bit past nutella's flip

jack... can die.

sorry jack

but y'no, prolly not dealin w/ a nanook wolf here

i won't be here past 4pm EDT btw. got a last min case post it, but ya gotta say someone other than nanook i guess, or a case for why nanook vs jack isn't the way (please do that). THANKS
No.

You don’t get to win like this.

I busted my butt and convinced you I was town. You kept just saying “give me the gun.”

Then Nanook turned you around with basically nothing. Your turn looks fake af. You beg Nanook to give you a reason to scumread me and he can’t and you shoot me anyway?

I don’t think it’s Boo and Nanook. I think it’s you and Nanook.

@DrWilgy @G-Man @Hyena

If FG shot me, it’s always FG and Nanook. When I flip town, you take the gun and you listen to what Mac, Johann and me have been telling you and you blast Nanook. After he dies, you blast FG for this nonsense turn to protect her partner.
Can't we just blast Boo first?

As long as Boo is a wolf, yeah.

I love you, Hyena.

You make me laugh.

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