The Syndicate

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:32 pm Long Con and sig, going at each other again. I'm sure there was another game I was part of (as a replacement) where this happened with Long Con and someone else, and it was two townies going at each other. sig comes off as more townie, but Long Con is basically reacting as townie Long Con did in that JJJ game.

Probably LC and Epi.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:05 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:00 pmEach directed question pushes people in a specific way that puts pressure on them.

can you give some examples of this happening? I was noticing the exact opposite during my read but maybe you saw something i didnt?

He pressured MP about the lack of scumreads.
Pushed Dunya for questioning him.
Didn't give LC any slack for his D1 No Lynch bit.
Pushed Sig over his cop-claim bit.
Voted out in the thread to make a statement.

It's more of a tone-read to me, but I feel like DDL is going around and flicking everyone on the nose. MP is bad about not doing scumreads. LC was getting townreads from his gambit. Same for Sig and his asking the cop to claim.

The generally towniest or most dangerous players in the game are making things happen, and DDL is going around to bop them on the nose. Not a huge amount, but hey, it's D1. And I want to keep that around.

Oh man I almost forgot that claiming isn't usually allowed here. Sig's diatribe about it makes more sense in that context.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:50 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:52 pm 3 minutes later:

Nah, DDL's good. I'm going to vote to make Sig our first wagon of the day.

Why is DDL good?

Check his ISO. He's been very straightforward, unafraid to say what he thinks. Each directed question pushes people in a specific way that puts pressure on them. I agree with his way of looking at things. From what little I've seen, DDL isn't someone I want lynched D1 this game.

He's not confirmed town or anything. I'm just not wanting to lynch him

linki: good question

linki'd again, but I'm going to go ahead and post.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:35 pm I didn't take "Hello this is cop" as a real role claim. Looking forward to finding out the truth.

It wasn't. I was poking fun at the vehement NOBODY FAKECLAIM thing.

Probably should have put a j/k on there eh?

3 minutes later:

Nah, DDL's good. I'm going to vote to make Sig our first wagon of the day.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:37 pm speedchuck; explain your vote on me.

Voted early. Looking for this:

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:40 pm I like you Kyle, so it's gonna hurt me when I say I don't feel good about you this game. Catching up with the thread and will post some names and whys and who's soon enough.

I'll be hopping my vote over to . . . IDK, Sig? Kyle? DDL? I'ma look at DDL before I decide.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:14 pm I would like to hear more from these guys:
Epignosis 1

I think you just copied this from the player post counts. We don't really need to hear more from Epi.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:18 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:11 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:59 pm What specifically do you want out of me?

Results in real-time.

I'm not giving you a scumread or anything, it's just that about 83% of your posts have been getting to know the Syndicate and it's lingo, or just asking questions.

I want to know where your mind is at. I want you to make some statements.

Okay well first of all, that % is wildly inaccurate, my dude. I asked like 2 questions about the forum and the rest was about reading people.

I ISO'd your posts, boi. I know what I said.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:59 pm What specifically do you want out of me?

Results in real-time.

I'm not giving you a scumread or anything, it's just that about 83% of your posts have been getting to know the Syndicate and it's lingo, or just asking questions.

I want to know where your mind is at. I want you to make some statements.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:56 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2017 1:37 pmMe Crew (12)
Dragon D. Luffy

DrWilgy

dunya

Kylemii

Long Con

MovingPictures07

NewTraditionalist

Quin

sig

Spacedaisy

SpankGangsta

speedchuck

A respectable readlist, but for one exception.

Care to elaborate?

MP's giving town reads out like candy on . . . oh hey, happy Halloween. Town on Wilgy and Sig? Really?

Is Kylemii an old player here (or elsewhere)? I know he's trying to find his footing, but some trends in mafia are ubiquitous. You're in here, Kyle. I'm expecting more.

LC actually feels less scummy than normal, but I think that's just because I like the scumdar10. It's a more interesting way of giving reads, makes stronger statements than rainbows or POE townreads. Gutsy, straightforward, hedging more toward committal. Townread for me (yes I get the irony here lol).
Linki: I look at motive, not results. Sure LC's lined up a bunch of different scumreads, but he's the only guy in the thread that's committing to scumreads. Committing is townie behavior, because unless you throw some teammates under the bus, people will get suspish of an aggressively, decisively WRONG player.
I doubt LC is scum.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:10 am Right now I'd rather lynch a player who isn't contributing then someone who is, unless we have a strong reason to suspect they're mafia, and I'm not seeing anything very obvious yet.

Also and I should've brought this up sooner, but If we have a cop and they get a red check I suggest they role claim immediately, with only 3 mafia members sacrificing the cop to get a mafia member is worth it, also other civs should take advantage of role claiming if they have useful information that will catch mafia members, AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH AS A CIV DONT FAKE CLAIM COP!!!!!!!!!!

Hello this is cop.

We have a three day D1. I don't like you pushing toward a non-contributer with such a hefty timeframe. Look at the reads in the thread. We have plenty of time to find a scummy swabbie today.

Well, that's a vote spread.

Catching up so I can put my vote somewhere valid.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:04 pm Speedchuck, are you overall for or against a day 1 "no lynch"? You've outlined the dangers and benefits of both.

I think that even if "no lynch" is the right choice it shouldn't be chosen until the end of the day phase

Against.

And I agree.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:54 pm Because the only thing that happens is that you give mafia an extra night kill, and then you are back next day with no extra information and one less civ alive.

It may give the cop an extra investigation yes, but the cop shouldn't reveal right away anyway so day 2 usually doesn't have anything new, and the cop could die before they reveal so the risk may be not worth it.

+1 to this analysis.

You don't lose a whole lot by D1 no-lynch, since the extra night kill just puts you at Lylo instead of Mylo. But the trade-off doesn't net you anything either, so you might as well keep that extra number advantage in your wheelhouse for later.

Who knows, a doc might pull through and give us an entire extra day. That won't happen if we give mafia an extra kill.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:28 pm I do what I want

Quin's meta in a nutshell

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:56 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:55 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:52 pm And I don't know what any of you are talking about, because no lynch is objectively a good strategy.

For the reasons that I outlines, or for some other nebulous non-scientific reasons?

100% nebulous non-scientific reasons.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:52 pm And I don't know what any of you are talking about, because no lynch is objectively a good strategy.

For the reasons that I outlines, or for some other nebulous non-scientific reasons?

1 little, 2 little, 3 little MP posts
4 little, 5 little, 6 little MP posts

Actually, a no lynch gives town some time to get free info if there is an info role. Quick math:

No lynch:
D1: 10 players
D2: 9 Players
D3: 7 Players
D4: 5 Players
D5: 3 Players (LYLO if 1 scum)
D6: Scum overrun if we get here and game isn't over.

Lynch on D1:
D1: 10 Players
D2: 8 Players
D3: 6 Players
D4: 4 Players (MYLO if one scum)
D5: 2 Players Scum overrun if we get here and game isn't over.

So in each case, ignoring D1 on the no-lynch side, town gets the same number of days to try and lynch the scummers. No matter how many scum there are. For every scum, take off a day's worth o' time. See how it works? An' the No Lynch D1 gives townies more info on their allotted lynch days.

HOWEVER!

This only works perfect if'n we got no doctors, vigs, or scumblockers. So I'm more inclined to lynch a scallywag on the bright and early day.
Long Con, what say ye ta that?

Shiver me timbers if'n I ain't about to throw a vote on me swabbie Dunya, fer the brine'd do 'im good I reckon!

linki: I am a cat. I swat at people until they respond, and then run away.
I kid. I have no idea what my gameplay style is. I've been told it's analytical, with a lot of chewing over motive and vote placement.

Argh, an eye patch is for practicality. I got both me eyes, but I keep me left adjusted to the dark, so's I can turn out the lights in a scuffle and fight the skallywaggers.

ARGH ME MATEYS

I AM IN CANCUN SUCKING ON A FLASK O' SPIRITS AND ROTGOT

(seriously at my family's place so I won't post more till tomorrow)