The Syndicate

oh nice actually

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:46 pm Is there a wild world where it's speed, ddl and mr?

That would be incredibly wild.

If you guys jump to MP that's fine. I'm sure he won't let me vote there :P

I have to go for the night. I'd say something about other lynch preferences but... well... it's gonna be hard to change votes. I'll try to check in in case people shift votes elsewhere.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:22 pm I mean, I wouldn’t say I was forced to self prez onto radishes, there was time for other options, but hyena bargaining me over is a pretty strong reason to TR him.

Fair enough.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:16 pm read the first page of his iso he's almost as committed to lynching MR as MR was to lynching me.

Read: DDL went after MR like 5x as hard as MR went on Tony.

I just checked. It wasn't all that.

I guess I need to look at MR's ISO for tony

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:15 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:11 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:10 pm Interesting. Did ddl call mr scum for this or did the exchange die?
DDL ended the day with a vote on MR, and Hyena and I followed him. MR almost got lynched. He never recanted, far as I can tell.
Good look for ddl then. Now I really don't know between the two.

Makes me wonder if we can get some consistency in tone from mr if we get another scumflip as this is shaking my hyena civ read.

Historically, does mr radish waffle when opposed or hold the line?

Hyena has a stronger townread from me than DDL because of him forcing nanook to self-prez on MR.

I may be wrong on either of these but I will repeat the facts as many times as I need to.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:14 pm It's not DDL

Wait did something change?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:12 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:11 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:10 pm Interesting. Did ddl call mr scum for this or did the exchange die?
DDL ended the day with a vote on MR, and Hyena and I followed him. MR almost got lynched. He never recanted, far as I can tell.
If this is it, DDL deserves a seriously deeper look. Speed's case is much cleaner.

Maybe so.

And by 'ended the day' I mean I don't think he budged, and while he wasn't super active I don't think it was a vote-and-forget situation. I'm not entirely sure on that and I don't have time to check.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:10 pm Interesting. Did ddl call mr scum for this or did the exchange die?

DDL ended the day with a vote on MR, and Hyena and I followed him. MR almost got lynched. He never recanted, far as I can tell.

BTW guys there are 2 votes on Tony right now and 1 vote on each of the others. Jack and I are not in a vote team.

This is not let it rand, just FYI

If you want to lynch DDL, read this post first. Please.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:01 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:55 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:46 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:59 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:32 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:18 pm Did Nanook vote for me?
Yes, Nanook voted for you, and he still is!
Extra ugly, due to non-call in the thread.
I want to townread LC for not noticing a vote on him.

Either that or he's wolf/wolf with Nook.
"I want to townread LC".

Then do it. Townread him. Or not.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:49 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:07 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:02 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:59 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:56 pm

read: compare this to my other scum game which is nothing like this one
You are being very uncharitable sir. I'll have you know my town games are nothing like this one either.

But i wanted to know what nanook thought of that
Tony and Nanook might be mafia partners. +112, that might be the scum team right there.
Dang you got us. Where’s the resign button
I wasn't very serious about the LC/Nook thing, but actually this post pings me. I feel the 'haha guess you got me' thing is such a scum thing to say here.
"I wasn't serious"

"this post actually pings me"

Then uses a superlative in the next post, to make it sound like he's sure LC is bad.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:55 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:58 pm I wonder which over-discusser of 'spew' is the wolf?
Love this thought. Another townie point for LC.

Caveat: I've read LC wrong every game I've played with him.
Caveat: I'm full of shit.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

It's okay to be unsure about someone's alignment, but go ahead and say you are unsure. This feel like playing both sides at once.
I'm TRing LC. He's my strongest TR in fact. I thought I had made that clear.

This feels like you picked someone who had a bit of shade previously (me) and nitpicked the language used to form a case.

I don't like it.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:21 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:08 pm Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.
Ah yes, the brusque lemme-tell-you-how-to-play-properly tone. A favourite of mine too.

Let me make this as clear as I can for you - I think LC is town, but I am not locking it in because, fun fact, my D1 reads have been wrong before.

Can you reconcile this?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:54 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:52 pm DrWilgy, you think DDL is scum. Can you speak to that?
Gut feeling based on his minimal stance. While i know Ive prolly missed alot, he's someone who feels under my radar who normally isn't.

I would frankly agree were it not for

a. his D1 stance and pursuance of MR
b. his excuse for playing minimally, trouble keeping up, etc.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:51 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:48 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:47 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:43 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:39 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:36 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:36 pm

What is "alignment equity"?
Like, teammate compatible for scum/mafia purposes.
Ok, so then I don't understand why I'm teammate compatible with Tony and Wilgy.
Yeah I didn't think Juliets had equity with Tony. I'd be surprised if they were w/w.
Are we just going to Lynch players with low equity with Juliets until we lose the game? That's seriously not a winning strategy.
???

Me voting you has nothing whatsoever to do with your Juliets equity.
That wasn't my implication but actually I'm curious why you think I have low equity with Juliets.

I ISOd both of you today. If I recall, you implicated Juliets several times for a lynch on N1 and D2, including times when she was in danger of actually being lynched.

It's not impossible, but I'd be surprised.

[mention]DrWilgy[/mention], you think DDL is scum. Can you speak to that?

And even without Hyena's D1 fire, I'd probably townread him

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:48 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:46 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:46 pm and poe throw in MP2 if Juliets flips scum and probably Hyena if Nanook flips scum but Wilgy is about to tell me why not Hyena

Linki Jack learn to count
Linki 2 oh
Haven't enough people told you why not hyena at this point?
Did... anyone tell me why not? I haven't read carefully since I got back.

Nanook did.

Basically Hyena campaigned HARD D1 to lynch MR, literally forcing Nanook to self-preserve vote there. That would have killed MR if it werent for the random tie meta. Not only would this be terrible scummate play, it's also not in hyena's meta according to all who know him.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:47 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:43 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:39 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:36 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:36 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:34 pm Fun fact, Tony has alignment equity with Juliets and Wilgy.

Says the guy who gth put it as Tony + MP.

I’m anticipating a loss.
What is "alignment equity"?
Like, teammate compatible for scum/mafia purposes.
Ok, so then I don't understand why I'm teammate compatible with Tony and Wilgy.
Yeah I didn't think Juliets had equity with Tony. I'd be surprised if they were w/w.
Are we just going to Lynch players with low equity with Juliets until we lose the game? That's seriously not a winning strategy.

???

Me voting you has nothing whatsoever to do with your Juliets equity.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:46 pm and poe throw in MP2 if Juliets flips scum and probably Hyena if Nanook flips scum but Wilgy is about to tell me why not Hyena

Linki Jack learn to count
Linki 2 oh

Haven't enough people told you why not hyena at this point?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:45 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:44 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:41 pm Winning POE is 2 wolves in 4 players yeah?
DDL, Nanook, Jack, Hyena, Speed, Juliets, Wilgy, MP.

8 players.

Mislynch? 6 players.

Mislynch? 4 players. We lose with 2 wolves.

So it’s 2 wolves in 3. We have one mislynch, assuming 2 wolves and no voting shenanigans.
We have 9 players what’re you on about

Jack doesn't even know Tony exists.

I just caught up.

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] You should totally sign up for BK mafia, it's got limited posts... and I checked and you had. Awesome.
You should also say why you're scumreading me because I don't actually know and info is always good.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:39 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:36 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:36 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:34 pm Fun fact, Tony has alignment equity with Juliets and Wilgy.

Says the guy who gth put it as Tony + MP.

I’m anticipating a loss.
What is "alignment equity"?
Like, teammate compatible for scum/mafia purposes.
Ok, so then I don't understand why I'm teammate compatible with Tony and Wilgy.

Yeah I didn't think Juliets had equity with Tony. I'd be surprised if they were w/w.

We have to be careful

I'd like it if everyone publicly stated vote crap as much as possible. If MP comes in, 'misses' the Mac post, and votes Wilgy 5 minutes before deadline, Imma be piiissed

Yeah the second half of that ISO will be better to look at after Juliets or Tony or sloonei flip.

I could go Wilgy or Tony today. I'd have to be convinced on Juliets. MP can be thrown back into that pool tomorrow.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:35 pm Option 1 - One person in your tag team votes and everyone else abstains entirely. Vote counts as 1.

Option 2 - All member vote together. Vote counts as 1.

Option 3 - You can't agree and one of you turns heel. Your vote doesn't count and I get cross at you.
Does voting "The Government" count as abstaining?

Just like in real life lol.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:35 pm Option 1 - One person in your tag team votes and everyone else abstains entirely. Vote counts as 1.

Option 2 - All member vote together. Vote counts as 1.

Option 3 - You can't agree and one of you turns heel. Your vote doesn't count and I get cross at you.

Does voting "The Government" count as abstaining?

Seriously how are we supposed to coordinate our votes? [mention]Epignosis[/mention] [mention]MacDougall[/mention]

Do we vote together in the poll, and if we don't it doesn't count? If two members vote in the poll differently, is the actual vote randomized between them?
How do we even lynch?

Those two posts make so little sense I almost want to see it as flailing, but if Tony's about to start providing content I don't want to discourage that.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:39 pm Okay, I’m not dying today.
I also think we’re probably going about this all wrong and we need to be considering different names. For the life of me I don’t know where to start.

What do you mean? That's yet to be determined.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:40 pm Vote: Hyena for now

I'm getting really tired of reminding people why Hyena is townread. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:01 pm almost switched to MR for the fun of it but by golly is that a terrible plan

"This is almost too on-the-nose for me to believe it came from scum. It's hilarious if Tony is scum, and gives me an even bigger estimation of the man's cajones."

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:05 pm What did you mean by "This is almost too on-the-nose for me to believe it came from scum."? Anecdotally I feel like I've seen scum play with WIFOM like that even if it turns out to be true, so are you saying that Tony specifically doesn't seem like the type to do that?

It is WIFOM, I guess. I have no idea whether Tony would use it or not. Also I think the context was that it would put things back into a 3-way tie. (though Nanook would probably rectify it and kill MR). That makes it a little more likely.

I don't know how much of a winebibber Tony is.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:53 pm
Spoiler: show
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:42 pm Day 1

Master Radishes
3 Voters: Dragon D. Luffy, speedchuck, Hyena

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
4 Voters: Long Con, sig, 112, nutella

sig
5 Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, juliets, M Plus 7, Jackofhearts2005, TonyStarkPrime

TonyStarkPrime
1 Voter: Master Radishes

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DAY 2

juliets
4 Voters: Hyena, speedchuck, M Plus 7, nutella

nutella
7 Voters: TonyStarkPrime, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Jackofhearts2005, DrWilgy, Long Con, juliets, Dragon D. Luffy

TonyStarkPrime
1 Voters: Master Radishes (voted before he died I guess)

This looks a lot uglier than I thought it would, color-wise. But I'm on light theme, so maybe it'll look better for you guys.

I'm being as un-generous as possible here, because there are only so many conclusions I can draw from 2 days of wagons. But there are some notes I wanted to put up. These are mostly based on the wagons above, and I'm not putting too much stock in them because they don't reflect when the votes actually happened or why, but hey vote analysis.

-MR voted Tony both days, even above self-preservation. That's an action worth noting. I, for one, do NOT think that's a good look for Tony, though some might disagree. Looks like 'If I'm going to die anyway, let me do some distancing.' Notably, Tony cased MR D1 but then ended up voting for Sig. I'd like to know more about that, but haven't started ISOs yet.

-Of all the MR voters D1, DDL (ONLY LOOKING AT THE VOTE WAGON) is more likely scum out of the three. He was the one who first put the vote up. I made it a wagon, and Hyena campaigned/blackmailed for nanook to join. That said, the argument between DDL and MR was pretty strong, and I townread him by virtue of distancing alone.

-No conclusions can be drawn from nanooks D1 votes. It was all self-preservation. That's not his fault, though again I wish the people who voted him were alive to talk about why, since everyone remaining super-townreads him.

-Juliets wagon on D2 looks pretty freaking pure to me. I know Nanook and Tony would disagree, but it's a point worth making. Granted, Nanook's wagon has been proven pure, and there's only so far that can go, but it's still worth looking at.
I'm not big into drawing conclusions based on voting records, even if I think they're important, so maybe you can help me more with some of these conclusions. Why would you think DDL is the most scum because he was the first one to vote (ignoring other factors)?

With the wagons as close as they were (which is also a part of the vote record above), I doubt scum would have tried to turn MR into a bigger wagon near EOD. So the first vote is more suspect, as it may have been cast at a time when MR was safe, intended as distancing and never meant to balloon into something bigger.

I don't believe that is the case, though. DDL's gripe with MR was valid, too good a case for D1 distancing.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:41 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:35 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:58 pm I wanted to repost Long Con's rainbow list right before he died. I don't know if the mafia would have waited this late to send in a kill (he posted at 5:18 pm) but I think we should keep it in mind just in case.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:18 pm My rainbow looks something like this, but I don't see why it couldn't be anyone below the top three.... Me as Civ, Jack as mech cleared, Wilgy as derp cleared. Who else has done some convincing towny stuff that should be moved up to the greens?

Long Con
Jackofhearts2005
Dr. Wilgy
speedchuck
Dragon D. Luffy
M Plus 7
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Hyena
TonyStarkPrime
juliets

What do you make of it, juliets?
At the time it struck me that it was another thing that made Tony look bad to me but I ISO'd Tony this morning and came away thinking he was not mafia.

Would you mind taking a look at my ISO of him, and the comments therein?

In addition to your regular vote, everyone has a secret vote for a second lynch. Knock the virus outta here. - Very swingy. Town lynches a second person with less info, but it's uncontrolled for mafia. Doubles town offensive power, reduces accuracy, requires coordination for scum not to just control it.
All players must post (at least slightly) within character. The show must go on! - completely useless and also doesn't really have a punishment lined up? Might inhibit town posting.
With one hour remaining, all players not in the top two in vote count are eliminated from lynch contention. Two enter, one will leave. - I have no idea whether this is townsided or not, but given the false dichotomy thing that is not valuable, I lean... maybe scum? Or null.
Tag Team Fighting: At the beginning of the day, all players are placed into BTSC randomly with one other person. Teams of two share a singular vote. - not sure how this works, but it might be hard for either side to use their votes at all.
Weapons Match: In the first 24 hours of the day, everyone must choose another player. That player's vote will be worth one more. - Mafia-sided, they can double their votes, town is uncoordinated.

Maybe I'm overstating things but I think all of these are either null or they are slightly scum-sided. Scum Tony could be getting town cred for claiming this role with nothing horrible in it (like insanifications for everyone) while also not helping town much.
OR
Tony is town and is struggling to come up with ideas.

My point is that I award no points for this role. But I don't detract any either. Thoughts?
Thoughts on my Tony ISO anyone?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:26 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:26 pm I feel like we've cleared someone we shouldn't have. Even if Juliets is in fact scum, there are probably one or two other than her.

MP could have become scum but 1. that seems to easy and 2. no way am I lynching the same guy two days in a row.
While I appreciate the sentiment, what's the reason for this, speed?

Partly giving you time to establish yourself in your new slot, since giving you only one day insures that you're unknown. Lynching the same person 2 days in a row is never giving them a fair chance. (assuming they're a replacement)
Also partly not being a dick.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:14 pm Resuming my catch-up.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:41 pm Some questions to consider:

If nutella is scum, would she be as up-front-and-center as she is now? Kinda powerwolfing if so, even if she's suspected.

If MP is town (regardless of nutella's alignment) would he be voting only based on who he can save and who he trusts rather than, IDK, actually having reads of his own?
Hey speed, can you talk to me about this? I know it's old news, but I need to try to get inside your head with this.

Spoiler: show

It's not actually helpful to the current gamestate since you flipped already, but these were your most recent posts at the time. I brought it up because I wasn't sure whether to scumread the mindset or not. I couldn't fathom not having scumreads in this game.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:39 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:33 pm Just seems like maybe there are 4 scum then and they're nerfed even more?

Maybe I'm wrong. Number advantages are pretty enormous.
If there are 4 scum I'd expect town to have a plethora of ways to use abilities to win. Cuz we kind of need it. A non-conditional vig, a cop, a doctor, maybe a tracker/watcher. None of that stuff is dropping. Just giving mafia a bad role doesn't save town from being overwhelmed, because town roles are the ones who make the biggest difference in a game, and mafia roles are more reactive.

If there are 3 scum this looks fine. But if there are 3 scum roles, there is some pressure for them to have enough abilities to counteract the eventual town fluke. Now, MR's role covers a lot of uses (role cop, roleblocker, and one extra of something) so maybe this isn't that big of an issue, but all the power being on MR could be a little swingy. I'd expect the remaining mafia to have at least one of the following: a vote manipulator, some kind of extra kill and some godfather status.

Then again I make my games my way and I don't expect hosts to think exactly like I do.

Don't need godfather status if there are no cops.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:35 pm It’s literally a list of neighborhoods, not a reads list

I was so confused.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:34 pm Part of me sort of wants to say scum partners wouldn’t get put in the same neighborhood. Is that bad logic?

I'd like to as well, but I bet you anything it was randomized.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:32 pm DDL
nanook

Jack
juliets

Tony
Wilgy

MP
speed
Hyena

Posting just to have it noted somewhere.

Nanook a tier above the near-townfirm. The guy who was campaigning and blackmailing an MR lynch out of nanook on the bottom. Me on the bottom for no stated reasons.

What is this list?

Good god DDL why Hyena.

Just seems like maybe there are 4 scum then and they're nerfed even more?

Maybe I'm wrong. Number advantages are pretty enormous.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:19 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:17 pm Tony makes the night polls apparently. I have no reason to think that role is town or scum.
These kinds of roles tend to be more like town imo. If you have to balance a team of three scum having one of them be zero utility is a major inbalance point, while for the town side it's a good way to keep the town team from being OP.

If there are 4 scum I'd expect the town to have much stronger roles, though, which hasn't been the case so far.

=.=

So... the role is town because it's not powerful enough to be scum... but there are only three scum because town is not powerful enough...

Seems kinda backward.

Also go back and read LC's power if you think town doesn't have strong roles.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:17 pm The speed/Tony thunderdome has been interesting in that it gave good arguments both/again both sides.

I do think Tony looks shadier now after speed quoted his posts shading me for going after MR. While speed looks okay due to his second vote on MR. But I still have a good gut feeling about Tony and not much about speed...

And yeah Wolgy is a valid option. Low activity is not a great reason to lynch him but I feel not enough people are considering/voting for it which means scum could be avoiding him.

This is the first I've heard about me and Tony being in a Thunderdome. And about any arguments given against me. Tony was just one of several people I wanted to ISO.

What thread are you in?

Tony makes the night polls apparently. I have no reason to think that role is town or scum.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:14 pm I wonder what happens if the two people in a team disagree with their vote.

Yeah I have no idea and that's kinda important. Already pinged Epi.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:09 pm speed I couldn't access my chat either until I went to the syndicate server and added the server there. Don't know if that's your problem but that was my solution.

My problem is I'm on my work PC and discord is blocked. As well as pretty much everything else except this site. :P

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