The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:41 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:40 am K2 speculation on our suspects is fine, but do we really need to do mafia's work for them in narrowing down between people like Sloonei and Dunya?

linki: I know, LC. I want Wilgy, but nobody is buying what I'm smelling
what is the exact nature of your wilgy pitch? I've narrowed my vote down to him and eloh.

Wilgy doesn't feel like usual wilgy. Weak, non-comittal. Feels off. Going back and looking at Wilgy's posts gives me zero town-vibes. Seriously, go read them. It'll take 5 minutes.
JJJ is known to bus, as you know.
Stroooong gut.

IDK, I've mostly been arguing why wilgy shouldn't be townread, which your exercise agreed with. I've got reasons not to vote everyone else. And I think Wilgy is compatible with more scumteams than anyone.

ISO todays posts from me if you want more. I'm feverish and in bed, just keeping up for a bit before sleep.

linki:

LC you wound me. But the feeling is mutual.

K2 speculation on our suspects is fine, but do we really need to do mafia's work for them in narrowing down between people like Sloonei and Dunya?

linki: I know, LC. I want Wilgy, but nobody is buying what I'm smelling

Should I stay on Wilgy or move to Eloh?

Not gonna be around for night end. Don't really want a quin lynch.

Good point sloonbeard. Nevermind.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:31 am "used that name" translates to "played that game" in Quinnish.

I was about to say "I never used that name"

Yeesh though we should probably get off Wilgy. The good doctor was absent most of N4 and D5.

linki: uuuhhh

Oh crap. Hold up.

Yes, but that was in the disney world mafia game. Come on, man.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:16 am @nutella what are your thoughts on wilgy and elohcin?

i switched to elohcin.

Are you KIDDING me right now? I just left Eloh!

To me, the arguments for Eloh and Wilgy are basically the same. I tinfoil them as teammates and would lynch either.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:14 am Maybe I'm crazy but I can't see LC as a civvie in this game. He has to be mafia or indie.

The indie part is what keeps me from voting for him.

If it helps, the indie role looks like it can only win with town, according to the OP. So the indie is basically town with an extra win condition.

Indy>=town.

But I could see LC as a civvie. 'Could' being the key word.

linki: you're kidding, right sloon?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:12 am I feel like every time I look at the poll late in the day speedchuck is following me with his vote.

Hey, I voted Wilgy first. Earlier today.

Quin is town BTW, so y'all get yo butts off him

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:42 pm So "Jay mini-busses his teammates ahead of time" has historical precedence.

I am just now learning this

Moving back to wilgy. Gonna go with my gut. I hope Dunya wasn't hinting at a role for Wilgy with her arguments, but everything was frustratingly kept from me.

Wilgy ain't right this game, and I'm 70-80% sure it isn't the post count.

Linki: Eloh, I'm the only one that's jumped on you. Dunya's been on you all day. And that's two players. We need more vote participation.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:18 pm Kyle is no longer a suspect.

Well I wasted my day.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:30 pm speedchuck - sorry I misunderstood before what you meant, now I get it, you've never been in Jay's position. So has a teammate ever done that to you?

Not on this site.

I'd have to check my OG site, but I don't think it happened there either.

Not to me. It's been YEARS since I played on that site though.

Point taken, though BTW. I no longer want to lynch Wilgy. I get what you're seeing now, I think.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:26 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:20 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:18 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:14 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:11 pm I find it a little hard to believe Jay would have done all that scathing, and place his vote on Wilgy, and get lynched. He wanted to turn it around. He had me on Wilgy, he didn't need more than 2-3 others to be convinced and we could have lynched Wilgy.
Sounds like an opportunity to me. But I'm pretty hardcore when people are after me.

would you do that to your scummate?
Not without asking first.
I guess my question should have been more like this: have you done it to a scummate before? Like Jay / Wilgy in this scenario?

I've never been scum on the chopping block with a scummate still alive. I'm always either the living winner or last to die.
I'll scrounge around for any counterexamples I've forgotten.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:23 pm I find it hard to believe a scum Jay, would go to all that trouble to incriminate a scum Wilgy, when no one had been looking his way except my vote (and I remember a few people asking me why Wilgy and obv they weren't convinced). So he goes hard on Wilgy, votes for Wilgy (the only other person with a vote -- and he knew I was asleep and wouldn't be up for EoD -- all he had to do was convince 2-3 people more.

Yeah, even without my other reasons, I don't see this plausible atm.

But muh WIFOM.

linki [mention]Kylemii[/mention] Dunya's about convinced me that I'm crazy. Don't want to suck you in.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:20 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:18 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:14 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:11 pm I find it a little hard to believe Jay would have done all that scathing, and place his vote on Wilgy, and get lynched. He wanted to turn it around. He had me on Wilgy, he didn't need more than 2-3 others to be convinced and we could have lynched Wilgy.
Sounds like an opportunity to me. But I'm pretty hardcore when people are after me.

would you do that to your scummate?
Not without asking first.

But then, I can't think of a single game where I got lynched early as scum. I'm always the last one alive.

linki: I voted for him at the time. I think it was to save myself though. I don't think Dr. Wilgy was around to agree, but I'm not JJJ.
You're making me feel obstinate, but I honestly want people to consider this.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:18 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:14 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:11 pm I find it a little hard to believe Jay would have done all that scathing, and place his vote on Wilgy, and get lynched. He wanted to turn it around. He had me on Wilgy, he didn't need more than 2-3 others to be convinced and we could have lynched Wilgy.
Sounds like an opportunity to me. But I'm pretty hardcore when people are after me.

would you do that to your scummate?

Not without asking first.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:16 pm This post happened during Day 4:
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:38 pm A fresh look at DrWilgy

First substantive post

Quin's little move to generate responses re: his pledge to "vote Epi whenever" got a reply from Wilgy. It's a strategic assertion which doesn't say much of anything about either Epi or Quin. Filler potential. The negative read on Daisy is a loud one. Okay. The question he posed to Sloonei could have some utility if there's follow-up.

Another early multi-quote salad (let's make it a Thing guys)

There are numerous questions here. Questions are neat. I don't know what Wilgy is doing with them though.

Multi-quote salad again

Wilgy is inserting nuggets of chatter into numerous conversations. They don't boast much unique insight though. The sole stance I see taken here is an agreement with Quin's grievance against Kyle.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:35 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:51 pm Wilgy is highly unpredictable. Don't apply normal rules of logic. Wilgy is almost as unpredictable as Vompatti. Almost. Nothing is unlikely for Wilgy, everything is fair game. I'm just unsure what to do with this version of Wilgy...
It's funny that "normal" Wilgy scares you in such a way. Guess it's a good thing. Perhaps "normal" Wilgy is the advent of this game.

I wouldn't say this is the first time I have seen "normal Wilgy", or at least a Wilgy who involves himself in the game with words and posts. The first example that comes to mind is Talking Heads (he was bad). I don't know why Daisy's fear of his normalcy is a "good thing".

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:49 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:45 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:30 pm //Kyle what happened to your conviction? This doesn't feel the same Kyle that I met in Pirate mafia.
Is conviction something I had in pirates mafia? I would argue that the exact opposite is true. On the second to last day I didn't know who to lynch and almost died because of it, Speedchuck talked me into no lynching. We also lost partially because I didn't pursue my suspicion of Speedchuck on the final day.

I've been making a real effort to follow through in this game because of it.
Interesting. Perhaps I was confusing conviction with rapid adaption. My observance of you was from a smiley posting ding dong. I was the ding dong. You, however, were fun to watch because I felt like I was watching you grow in the short span of time I was alive. You were watched by a ding dong.

The one stance I referenced before was Wilgy's take on Kyle, via Quin. Kyle responded with a contrary description of his behavior. Wilgy's reply is a neutral observation which is no longer interrogative. The only stance taken thus dissipates, leaving this post history a bit bare to this point -- more than it appears at a glance. That's not ideal.

Jack ISO

It's nice that Wilgy's takes in this ISO are multi-directional -- he has both positive and negative things to say about Jack. The negative side wins the day, as the conclusion is a scum read on Jack. Some of the language employed here is a concern:

"Are you buddying or talking with a teammate here?" -- Loaded question

"I feel that JoH has a way of portraying things that either are forced or feel like a forced portrayal." -- Jack has a way of either portraying things that are forced or forcing a portrayal. Eh? What does that mean?

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:44 pm Quick comment regarding the GTH exercise.

For everyokne that GTH'd me good. Why do you think I'm good? Under what scenarios do you find that I'm scummy? Would you say that you are mpre of a player that finds people innocent until proven guilty or guilty until proven innocent?

@elochin I'm still curious as to why you stated my comment about being able to read Daisy stuck out to you as scummy before my further explanation. What about that comment caused a scum read? Am I not allowed to be bad at reading someone?

@JoH, I'll get back to you. I've come to a point where I'm aware of my tunneling and I need to review others before I continue to bark at you. What I find interesting outside of our back and forth is your baddie read of me. What prompted this read exactly?

Wilgy expressed concern that he might be tunneling on Jack and pledged to broaden his focus.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:13 am
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:09 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:08 am
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:07 am why aren't we all lynching Lasagne? For a low poster, she actually looks bad.
What's the worst thing you could say about Lasagne?
She has 24 posts, at least 20 of those say nothing but bolster her presence in the thread.
I can get behind this.

Wilgy joined the Mesk wagon at EOD3. I don't take issue with a decision being made on the fly like this in the heat of EOD nonsense. It does beg expansion now though -- Wilgy, what inspired (hi Quin) your willingness to contribute to this wagon?

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:34 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:49 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:54 pm I can promise you regardless of alignment it's a time constraint. Civ Wilgy or Scum Wilgy, I frown upon lurking.

What I find interesting is that instead of gauging my reads and what I've provided, you target the quantity. Why not ask for more if that's what you want? I've provided thoughts as I've caught up. Where are your comments on those?

Also Rainbows are dumb. Players are either good or bad.
It feels like a lot of general comments and observations, throwing in some questions for good measure. It doesn't feel like someone who is taking any sort of significant stance. This far into the game, I find it hard to believe any townie wouldn't have made strong stances yet, even if one that we can recognize him for. You haven't even made good/bad player lists. Sorry Wilgy, I just don't think you're townie-centric this game. I mean, I defended you in Pirates and you didn't even say anything. But here, you've been less authentic and clear in your opinions and stances than when you were playing with emojis imo.
What? Less authentic and clear? Comparing clarity in a game where I was only using emojis (and keeping up mind you)?

What is a strong stance to you? Apparently not calling Jack bad for his play day one, nor agreeing that Jaybis a good lynch. Those are just weak stances.

Dunya, it feels like your trying to case me with "Wilgy is bad because of XYZ", when you can just say "I'm tone reading Wilgy as bad." Because of this I do feel that its disgenuine.

dunya was critical of Wilgy's lack of hard stances and Wilgy took issue. On this front, I think dunya's assertion is valid. There's really not much in the way of stances in this post history that I can see.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:49 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:45 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:43 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:38 pmI'll tell you what a strong townie stance is: it's having strong suspicions. Just clearing people off is more a scum stance-tactic. Does that make sense to you?

You were only using emojis, but those emojis actually reflected better on you. You were calling people good/bad with them. That's townie as hell.

This "not calling Jack bad for his play day one" and "not agreeing on a Jay lynch" is not necessarily townie as hell.

I hope you can see where I am coming from; I'm super genuine and super serious and extremely demanding.
So you want mor quantity from me?
no...I never complained about low post count or quantity of post. I want more genuine, hard stances. I would understand your hesitation in that you can't give me a genuine scum read without outing a scum-mate, but try.
I've already given what I had Dunya. Your shaking a tree that's out of apples. I'm just unsure if your shaking this tree on purpose or not.

The highlighted bit reads awkwardly at face value. First, there's an implied suspicion, or at least "room" for suspicion -- but the assertion of a "tree being shaken" is as applicable (if not moreso) to a civilian as a mafioso. Indeed shaking trees is often half the game.

~~~

I've stated numerous grievances here and less nice to say. Wilgy is a suspect.
Would day 4 Jay have been sure enough about his imminent death to make a post like this to distance from a Wilgy teammate?

I just read that post like ten minutes ago. Let me turn the question back on you. What was the risk?

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:11 pm I find it a little hard to believe Jay would have done all that scathing, and place his vote on Wilgy, and get lynched. He wanted to turn it around. He had me on Wilgy, he didn't need more than 2-3 others to be convinced and we could have lynched Wilgy.

Sounds like an opportunity to me. But I'm pretty hardcore when people are after me.

I'm not against an Eloh lynch though.

linki:

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:01 pm I can definitely see Jay planning to lead us off trail from the moment he replaced MP. That's definitely something Jay would do. But whether he'd do it by calling you scum and building a case against you, or do it by calling you town and defending you, that's a mix and match.

So why clear Wilgy based on that?

Read JJJ's mentions of Wilgy again [mention]Dunya[/mention] or [mention]Kylemii[/mention]. There is a clear change between early-jay prodding and suspicion and his scathing legacy reads.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:53 pm Who would more likely be scum: Eloh or Wilgy (if we factor in both of them were targets of Jay ISOs) speedchuck

Wilgy.

But I was kinda possibly thinking they were scummates (don't laugh)

linki: Jay's earlier posts nudged towards Wilgy, criticized his lack of content, and bantered back and forth about meaningless suppositions of theoretical answers of questions. LEGACY JJJ shat Wilgy down with a firey vengeance, distancing hard.
Leaving the typo.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:44 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:40 pm Screw it all.

Even trying to quote JJJ/Wilgy gives me infinite pyramids of quote failures. I suck at ISOs. Sorry Kylemii
No need to apologize or quote anything, can you just read it and let me know what you think?

I think Jay's ISO has a lot more about Wilgy than I remembered. Wilgy's ISO doesn't point to half of it.

I think, under normal circumstances, that would speak well of Wilgy. But this is JJJ we're talking about. I think JJJ is very capable of vehement distancing, especially once we got to the legacy ISO. Wilgy, as scum, can ride this JJJ wave all the way through endgame. All scum needs is one alive.

You guys keep pointing at Jay and saying "Well, he was aggro/suspish of this person/group, so they must be good" but if we had lynched that group, Jay would have been good. That's how you win games as scum.
DISTANCING is not a lack of buddying. It's a complete form of anti-alignment. So long as we're acting as slaves to JJJ's reads and suspicions, we'll play right into his hands and AT LEAST one scumbuddy is going to sail effortlessly to endgame. I believe this wholeheartedly, especially from a JJJ that replaced in and was in trouble from (his) D1.

linki: I did do my own homework [mention]dunya[/mention]. That's why I want to lynch Wilgy.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:41 pm Well, I'll object to Wilgy being lynched yes. Will you retreat now?

Screw it all.

Even trying to quote JJJ/Wilgy gives me infinite pyramids of quote failures. I suck at ISOs. Sorry [mention]Kylemii[/mention]

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:35 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:32 pm My answer to Sloonei's exercise.

DrWilgy
Elohcin
nijuukyugou
Long Con
sig
I suggest ISOing Jay and going over all his Elo mentions (I ISOd Elo and went all over the Jay mentions, it was different).

That may sway you on Eloh. Let me know if it does/doesn't pls. xxx

Yeah, and Jay going after the Lurkers happily will convince me on Niju and Sig. Jay went after everyone.

Not that it matters. Unless you have an actual objection, I want to lynch Wilgy.

My answer to Sloonei's exercise.

DrWilgy
Elohcin
nijuukyugou
Long Con
sig

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:16 pm we really have to try and lynch scum today. It come to 3 vs 9 now (8 if you count the 3P as a separate entity)

If the 3P is still alive. TMI.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:17 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:14 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:11 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:04 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:58 pm maybe I've been way off this game. I really don't have suspects beyond those 3. I could be swayed on Quin or Kyle. Wilgy I've ruled out. DDL....seems too all over the place to be scum.
Show me your work.
I'd say read his ISO again.
I read his ISO today. Extensively. That's why I'm voting him.
How do I know you're not scum trying to get info out of me?

What are you talking about? I want to know how you--

Oh. Darnit I'm not sure how to approach this.

linki: I'll try to actually build a case unless Dunya tells me 100% that it's a waste of time.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:11 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:04 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:58 pm maybe I've been way off this game. I really don't have suspects beyond those 3. I could be swayed on Quin or Kyle. Wilgy I've ruled out. DDL....seems too all over the place to be scum.
Show me your work.
I'd say read his ISO again.

I read his ISO today. Extensively. That's why I'm voting him.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:58 pm maybe I've been way off this game. I really don't have suspects beyond those 3. I could be swayed on Quin or Kyle. Wilgy I've ruled out. DDL....seems too all over the place to be scum.

Show me your work.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:50 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:32 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:21 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:15 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:11 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:06 pm i have to look back and see if something i remember LC saying actually happened or if i just dreamed it
nevermind, apparently it was just a dream
Kylemii mafias in his dreams now
Or maybe I've just ascended and now my dreams contain cryptic clues to solve mafia like that dude from Twin Peaks.
What do they tell you about Wilgy?

But no, seriously, please ISO Wilgy. I'm more interested in your opinion on him than anyone else's.
I read through Wilgy's posts for Sloonei's excercise, while he hasn't pushed any personally strong convictions like he did in Pirates. Other than that, I didn't see anything specifically alignment indicative. Jay went after Doctor Wilgy pretty early on in a way that seemed a little too hot for distancing.

Why are you so interested in my view on the Wilgster?

Looking for theoretical Wilgy scummates. Could you show me this "hot not-distancing?" I must have missed it, because I got Wilgy as a suspecto numero one.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:42 pm You get on me for a speedy, upchucked rainbow list

Don't blame me for this.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:41 pm Man I woke up this morning thinking "hmm..... actually.... Sloonei is totally bad and has been playing us and I'm totally gonna vote for him" but apparently you guys think there's decent hints that cbob cop-checked him. Meh. Idk if I'm totally sold on that, but I'm also kinda tinfoiling hard rn and occam's razor is that Sloonei is town as town can be. Kyle is probably my next likely vote, but I haven't really figured out why I'm leaning that way either. Mostly I just feel way more lost as to who could be bad after the cbob flip than I have been for most of the game and I'm reconsidering some possibilities.

Sloon the man himself disputes the idea that bob got a check on him. As of yet, no townfirms.

What do you think of Wilgy, nutella?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:21 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:15 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:11 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:06 pm i have to look back and see if something i remember LC saying actually happened or if i just dreamed it
nevermind, apparently it was just a dream
Kylemii mafias in his dreams now
Or maybe I've just ascended and now my dreams contain cryptic clues to solve mafia like that dude from Twin Peaks.

What do they tell you about Wilgy?

But no, seriously, please ISO Wilgy. I'm more interested in your opinion on him than anyone else's.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:11 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:06 pm i have to look back and see if something i remember LC saying actually happened or if i just dreamed it
nevermind, apparently it was just a dream

Kylemii mafias in his dreams now

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:01 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:21 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:33 am
Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:28 am
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:31 am RIP epi and welcome niju

Ugh I'm not feeling super confident about anything and would go along with whatever tbh. I'd vote for Sig, I'd vote for Quin, I'd maybe vote for Kyle, heck I'd even vote for Sloonei. LC and DDL I'm less inclined to suspect but I could be wrong.
I'm having a hard time trusting anyone at this point and that's sad this late in the game.

Let's talk about why we think mafia would kill epi. Do you think we can glean any info from that?
He was one of the most civ looking players in the game.
If that was the reason, they'd have targeted nutella or sloonei imo.
They targeted Daisy (also very civ looking), Jack (a town leader whose civ-status seemed to be increasing), and another three people who might include those you mentioned.

So far I think they have picked good targets. You could argue Nutella is not a high poster enough to be such an immediate threat, while Sloonei's presence made the eventual Bob lynch more likely which is good for them.

Plus nobody was even tinfoiling Epi

Revised, more confident rainbow after looking at about 4 ISOs (I'll admit to skimming though)

speedchuck
Sloonei
dunya
nutella
Dragon D. Luffy
Quin
nijuukyugou
Kylemii
Long Con
sig
Elohcin
DrWilgy

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:35 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:33 pm I didn't know Wilgy was playing in this game????
Actually he isn't, he forgot to use blue font.

DDL and Wilgy not w/w

And I'm getting a good feeling from DDL's ISO.

Peh

I'm getting the after-lunch drowsies.

Someone ISO Wilgy other than me. Someone do it. Kylemii, you do it.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:25 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:23 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:22 pm speedchuck - I can't put my finger on it yet (and also I haven't had a chance to really iso speed yet but I will), but there's something here that doesn't add up. He doesn't seem focused and in townie mode to me. I feel like sometimes he's intentionally trying to distance himself from the thread. I want to go back and see how likely a JJJ/speedchuck pairing would be, but I can see it. He's going to be my first focus.

I still think you're town, but I'm getting really tired of you pointing suspicion at me, saying you're going to substantiate it, and then never doing so. I can't dispute a big ball of nothing.

Feeling like a cBob/Sloonei situation.
well I had to do my case on cBob which took all my time and I threw up yesterday and today so I don't feel like doing big reading analysis right now so there's that.

are you trying to distance yourself from the thread?

I'm sorry to hear that. I understand. Sorry, forgot. Throwing up is basically the worst thing, and I legit have a phobia of it.

I don't know what "distance myself from the thread" means. I'm actually curious, please elaborate

Reasons for town

Dragon D. Luffy - genuine tone
DrWilgy - No reasons
dunya (replaced sprityo) - tons of content, independent well-substantiated reads (except for me)
Elohcin - Eloh is Eloh. Scum Eloh would be better at the game than this.

nijuukyugou (replaced insertnamehere) (replaced Glorfindel)
Kylemii - lots of content, genuine tone
Long Con - Ballsy chase of Epi
nutella - D1 lynch reaction, decent reads of the thread, metaread matches all non-Phenon town nutellas
Quin - supergenuine tone. People are scumreading quin for being honest and sticking to his guns even when wrong, which is his meta. Reminds me of Phenon!Quin.
sig - JJJ went after him, right?
Sloonei - Possibly cBob check at some point, good suspicions despite vote placement, good metaread, tons of spontantous content
speedchuck - lol

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:22 pm speedchuck - I can't put my finger on it yet (and also I haven't had a chance to really iso speed yet but I will), but there's something here that doesn't add up. He doesn't seem focused and in townie mode to me. I feel like sometimes he's intentionally trying to distance himself from the thread. I want to go back and see how likely a JJJ/speedchuck pairing would be, but I can see it. He's going to be my first focus.

I still think you're town, but I'm getting really tired of you pointing suspicion at me, saying you're going to substantiate it, and then never doing so. I can't dispute a big ball of nothing.

Feeling like a cBob/Sloonei situation.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:04 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:52 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:31 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:55 pm I'm voting Wilgy for now.

I have no idea what cbob saw. Would welcome more theories. I'm beginning to assume it was two townies and that cbob just didn't really focus on it.
Interesting. Why?
That's a good question.

Metagut is the answer.

It is a bad answer.

If I don't have a better one by the end of the day, I'll be somewhere else.
I don't see it as a bad answer but to what meta are you comparing?

Now for some internal from Wilgy. Something I found it odd about my interactions with you so far is that I was Civ reading you when I'm normally always up your ass. Perhaps it's because we had similar thoughts regarding Sloonei. Reflecting on this puts me in a state of Civ reading you while also cautiously looking your way. Does that make sense and what are your thoughts on this?

It's a bad answer because I'm getting your meta from Pirates. I was scum in that game, but if I had been town, I would have townread you so hard. Looking back at your ISO, I see a lot of questions and not many answers. When you finally gave reads, they weren't very substantiated (And in the case of the reads you gave DDL, you covered them up with a cute [guess what my reads are] game). I'm just not seeing any of the conviction, drive, and assurance you had as town (yes, even with a gimmick). Prove me wrong.
(And yeah, my scumread on you would hope that it's not RL + a 5k post game discouraging you.)
I don't feel like I have any reason to read you as town. Your back and forth with JJJ I could see between scummates. I don't think you're w/w with Quin. Too much buddying there. That's what I got from your ISO.

Regarding your reasoning: It makes pretty good sense to me, yeah. I don't have many thoughts on it. I've had different people suspect me this game than the norm.

To everyone else: I recommend you ISO Wilgy. He only has 2 pages of posts. Please tell me what you think.

I'm going to ISO this player slot.

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:38 pm Y'all are insane. Absolutely insane.

"Y'all" <- Informal tone, using slang. Possibly trying too hard to be casual. It also addresses the high posters, which are probably town at this point. Y'all is not self-inclusive. Blooper does not think of self as town. Scumslip?

"are" <- sounds awful pirate-y to me. And pirates are scummy.

"insane" <- doubt-casting on our reads. If we're finally onto something, this might be Bloopers way of passively defending a scummate. Be wary here.

"Absolutely" <- Only a sith deals in absolutes.

"insane" <- rather than provide new content, Blooper sticks to the same line of reasoning. This indicates an unwillingness to change opinion or read, and closes off conversation. Townies want to encourage conversation or challenge the thread. This leaves no argument, nothing to respond to.

Literally every word this slot presents pings me. Lynch it. Lynch it with fire.

(The above was a joke. I'mma go ISO wilgy now.)

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:31 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:55 pm I'm voting Wilgy for now.

I have no idea what cbob saw. Would welcome more theories. I'm beginning to assume it was two townies and that cbob just didn't really focus on it.
Interesting. Why?

That's a good question.

Metagut is the answer.

It is a bad answer.

If I don't have a better one by the end of the day, I'll be somewhere else.

I'm voting Wilgy for now.

I have no idea what cbob saw. Would welcome more theories. I'm beginning to assume it was two townies and that cbob just didn't really focus on it.

Cbob did read Sloonei as mechanically near-confirmed town before N2 was over. Hm.

speedchuck
Sloonei
dunya
nutella
Elohcin
Long Con
Dragon D. Luffy
nijuukyugou
Quin
sig
Kylemii
DrWilgy

Here's this. I'm over my tinfoil on Sloonei and Dunya I think. Anyone else is fair game. Order within tier probably isn't that important.

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