The Syndicate

I have absolutely no idea how to feel about nutella. I'm probably about as frustrated about it as she is.

Every time I start feeling right about things, Nut either rationalizes or pulls back (as she just may have done) to make me start second-guessing myself.

Vompatti wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:33 pm Very well, I shall read you as mafia on account of overenthusiasm.

[VOTE: speed] aubergine

I somehow knew this was going to happen but I asked anyway.

Why is apathy associated with towniness in this game?

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:29 pm I also most likely not be around for end game my uncle broke his ribs bowling, he someone slipped fell into the gutter and then broke two ribs in the front and one in the back, sooooooooooo I gotta do some yard work for them around EOD I think.

*cringing*

Tell him that online anonymous people wish him well

I'd be more gung ho about lynching LC if he were here to yell at me for it.

I could at least get something out of that. But then, there are a lot of absent-ish players, and only 3.5 hours left (not all of which I'll be around for).

Vompatti wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:19 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:09 pm Scotty, Long Con, Lapluie, and Vompatti.

I have little reason not to lynch any of these. Weigh in. I feel like half the game is here, and half of those players are playing.

Which half though?

insertnamehere
Kylemii
lapluie
Long Con
Marmot
nijuukyugou
Golden
Scotty

Here:
Vompatti

Here and Playing:
juliets
Lunalee
nutella
sig
speedchuck
ColinIsCool
Fractal
Turnip Head

Okay, my feelings weren't quite right.
You don't get to qualify as playing unless you give me a solid read though, right here today.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:11 pm From what I see of nutella's posts, she is very set on getting speed lynched. And speed is trying very hard in this game, which makes him a threat to town.

*raises eyebrow*

Scotty, Long Con, Lapluie, and Vompatti.

I have little reason not to lynch any of these. Weigh in. I feel like half the game is here, and half of those players are playing.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:52 pm What. That's exactly what scum want to do lol that's my point.

Take a look at my recent scum games. Greece. Fire Emblem. Fellowship of the Ring. Probably even Mortal Kombat.

Now look at my most recent civ games. Buffy. GoC - Pikachu tribe. (Excluding U-Pick, because I was burnt out as heck in that game.)

When did I lead town?
When did I fall back?
When did I post content like a madman?

Look at the post counts. Which players posted more than me (especially in these games, where I survived till near the end of the topic)?
Are any of them present in this game?

I'm not going to try to convince you based on my meta. But you can come to your own conclusions. If your argument is coming from a good place, I don't have time to distrust you. I have hunting to do.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:55 pm It looks like I may have to choose between Lapluie or Nutella if no one wants to vote Long Con with me. Who should it be?

Convince us on one and we'll go with you.

Or tell us if you think those two are town and that we should vote LC. I'm all ears. And also eyes.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:47 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:46 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:38 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:32 pm I missed the spot where nutella said her most recenr thing about you. It’s more or less how I felt but if she’s serious about it and not just throwing out whatever (and feels able!) I’d like her to elaborate.

Just that he's making a lot of high effort readlists and stuff and all while hosting a complex game. Seems like forced effort to some extent.

So just what is it that would make my high effort NOT seem forced? Different post content? Different meta? Me not hosting a game right now? (You'll note that I didn't post much during the night phase of this game.)

Just less content. You're churning out substantial posts like your life depends on it.

And it wouldn't make sense to do so if I was scum. BRB.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:38 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:32 pm I missed the spot where nutella said her most recenr thing about you. It’s more or less how I felt but if she’s serious about it and not just throwing out whatever (and feels able!) I’d like her to elaborate.

Just that he's making a lot of high effort readlists and stuff and all while hosting a complex game. Seems like forced effort to some extent.

So just what is it that would make my high effort NOT seem forced? Different post content? Different meta? Me not hosting a game right now? (You'll note that I didn't post much during the night phase of this game.)

Vompatti wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:35 pm If I were to make a rainbow list, those who make rainbow lists would be at the bottom of it.

So what you're saying is, if you made a rainbow list, you'd be at the bottom.

Rainbow lists are cool.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:31 pm Re: lap, I’m generally skeptical of word-choice-scumslip arguments and she looks like she usually does but is much less active, which makes me wonder.

She's less active in general. NAI.

Thanks for the pointer.

I'm still not against lynching Lap, but that does assuage my suspicions a bit

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:26 pm hmm maybe not as much in Easter as I thought. There is this

lapluie wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 9:42 pm You just had to say it didn't you? M Plus 7 rip

Plus saying that she thought she was gonna die. I wonder if I'm also thinking of upick but was she bad in that one I don't even know

Look at the lynches, not the nightkills. She does it a lot for those.

IDK if it's alignment indicative at all, but it doesn't look like she lamented the nightkills (or 'd them)

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:17 pm I kinda feel like lap just looks like she always looks. The reactions to deaths are pretty typical of her imo.

I didn't remember that. Though it is a tonal thing, I didn't recall her reactions to deaths seeming fake or anything.

Can you source that for me? Or, at least point to a game or time you remember? It seems nitpicky, but I'd like to compare.

[mention]nutella[/mention]

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:44 am Lapluie - light scum
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Voted for Scotty (Which I accidentally wrote as skittle). Reason: Him going for an easy lynch.
The horror she feels at the deaths of Dom and DDL almost seems fake.
Early post said she "barely said anything that looked sus" when she actually hadn't said ANYTHING, sus or not. IDK. Fruedian error, attributing scum comments to herself?
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And @ anyone else, please, comment on this. Is there a reason not to lynch Lapluie? Are the above 2.5 observations damning or not?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:11 pm Nutella's suspicion toward me is her one biggest towny redeeming factor. I want thoughts on this.

Specifically thoughts from [mention]Fractal[/mention] and [mention]ColinIsCool[/mention], since they are voting for nut.

I want thoughts on everything else from everyone else. I am a thought glutton.

Back from lunch.

Lots of tasty giblets being posted.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:51 pm Ugh I have the worst headache in the world today and am barely functional at work so I apologize in advance if I don't get much hunting in today. I still have a bad feeling about speed, it feels like he is trying too hard. I also think Kyle is not looking good and would like to see more content from him.

I don't actually know whether this is genuine or not. My last two town games (and my last scum game) have been super undisciplined, so I could see where you are drawing that from.

And my problem with it not being 'genuine' is that, if you are scum, you chose me as someone to lead a train against. Am I really the easy mislynch scum looks for? (Granted, I was lynched first in a few of my games on this site, but still.)

I lean toward this line of suspicion being genuine. Colin was bothered by it too, and he's in my top town ranks.

Nutella's suspicion toward me is her one biggest towny redeeming factor. I want thoughts on this.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:05 pm Speed posting ISO reads and trying is freaking me out.

Go back and look at my early games on this site. I used to be a try-hard.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:48 am Speed, here are some GTH reads for you, no middle ground.

Town: Colin, Fractal, juliets, sig, speedchuck, lapluie, Lunalee, Blooper, Scotty, Turnip Head
Scum: INH, Long Con, nutella, Golden, Vompatti, Kylemii

Nice GTH.

Can you elaborate on the CHOSEN ONES?

I know it's GTH so you may not have reasons, but now is the time to find them.

Fractal
Golden
LC
niju
sig

Players I have not read today. Get on that, guys. I need a break.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:25 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:50 pm Somebody read through speedchuck’s posts and tell me he’s not supertowning as scum.

I don't think he's scum. The only time speed "town firmed" me was when he was mafia, and knew I was town. The fact that he doesn't trust me this game convinces me that he's town.

This is a thing I do as scum, and only as scum. I defend townies to the death for cred, and I start by calling out a few early on. It limits the lynch pool, but it makes me a towny-friend.

Obviously I can't do this as town because IDK who is who. That's what Luna's picking up on, especially considering how hard I rode my townread of her in... was it Greece?

Marmot - mid-town
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I'm a sucker for rating systems.
Marmot is moving and shaking in the thread. LIKE
Marmot is the reason I have townreads on a few people he's accused. I like him in the thread.
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I got linkid but I said more things so nyeh

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:53 am

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:19 am sig I didn't see a reason for your INH vote, can you enlighten me? I saw it came after INH posted a song which I didn't listen to because it is 20 minutes long. Did your vote have something to do with the song he posted?

Yup I wanted to see his reaction, which was meh. Seemed lie a Ramses slip to me, but if we think Rico's doing it nvm.

INH also posted a song D1.

But I see your point.

TBF I don't care about Ramsey at all right now. If he can soak up a mafia nightkill before we lynch him, I'm down with that. If we lynch him by accident, that's cool. Besides, we may not even have to kill Ramsey depending on how the game ends up. We have weird win-cons in OP.

Luna - light town
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Showcasing genuine effort, in her analytical approach to Sig's suggestion and her read of LC.
Went with Vompatti's random D1 lynch, which... IDK what to think about that.
Probably has the most well-reasoned read on me of anyone in the game.
I'm gritting my teeth over this read, because Luna always looks like Luna to me. But I don't want to lynch here right now, based on what I see.
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Scotty - super-light scum
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"I missed a lot and no one is talking about me just farting around over here." - pls talk about Scotty. He wants us to.
"Farting around" is a good description of Scotty's play this game. His accusations are muddy, his conclusions are unsubstantiated and wrong.
His playstyle doesn't seem to have anything behind it. It's like it exists for the sake of existing. That doesn't mean 'scum', but it makes me leery.
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ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:48 am Speed, here are some GTH reads for you, no middle ground.

Town: Colin, Fractal, juliets, sig, speedchuck, lapluie, Lunalee, Blooper, Scotty, Turnip Head
Scum: INH, Long Con, nutella, Golden, Vompatti, Kylemii

Nobody else gets to look at these. They are a present just for me.

[mention]Scotty[/mention] Why is nutella still alive?

inh - slight town
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INH has provided some actual content and reads, even when joking. Refreshing.
But I don't accept the Vomp love.
Posted a song on night 2 in the middle of the Ramses madness. You all saw it. But he posted a song D1 as well.
I have zero reason to lynch INH.
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Lapluie - light scum
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Voted for Scotty (Which I accidentally wrote as skittle). Reason: Him going for an easy lynch.
The horror she feels at the deaths of Dom and DDL almost seems fake.
Early post said she "barely said anything that looked sus" when she actually hadn't said ANYTHING, sus or not. IDK. Fruedian error, attributing scum comments to herself?
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Coliniscool - mid-town
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His observation of my (very-recent) meta is spot on.
I like the questions he's asking. They point to someone who doesn't know the state of the game.
His defense for the "coin-flip" vote felt genuine. Not someone who is overthinking his posts.
I want to see more conclusions to go with questions. Otherwise townread
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juliets - light town
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Responded decently to my early pressure question.
Driving discussion well in places that it is lacking.
Has done nothing that I think couldn't come from a scum mindset, but hasn't pinged me either.
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Kylemii - mid-town with a tinfoil hat
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He made me promise. Following a rivalry thought process that feels towny.
I like his response to being questioned on the lynch vote. Something I would do as scum, which means it's supah-town.
Despite all of this, I get this nagging feeling that his posts are too easy to fake as scum. Hrg.
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Nutella - light scumread
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I like nutella going after this Ramsey thing. But then, scum could do that too.
I dislike her magic bagging at EOD1, and her D1 callouts.
Responses to pressure are not awful.
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Turnip Head - Null
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All I can rely on with this guy is a meta read, and I haven't seen him as scum.
No hard content.
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Vompatti - *mmmmmmm*
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I can't get anything out of this. Vompatti is apparently fond of the ramses torture stuff.
Has contributed nothing.
Maybe we're supposed to wait till late game and then lynch Vomp at MYLO and lose.
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nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:30 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:27 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:04 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:03 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:50 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:42 pm And rip sorry dom,

II'd like more content from nutella and lap now that dom flipped good. And i think ddl came out looking better.

Kyle I'm eyeing closely for refuesing to break the tie

hey sig quick question, which one of dom or nutella was the most clearly bad and so obviously the right choice that i should have voted for them over the other?

since I know it was between two civs I think this is a good look for Kyle? Could also be TMI though

this rationale irks my buttons but I don't know how to explain why it does

Because it's a post that pretends to give a read on you while attempting to town-ify nutellla?

my comment was entirely from my perspective and not intended to force my perspective on anyone else

Nope. I got my baddie filter on. Your rationalizations cannot reach me here.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:04 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:03 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:50 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:42 pm And rip sorry dom,

II'd like more content from nutella and lap now that dom flipped good. And i think ddl came out looking better.

Kyle I'm eyeing closely for refuesing to break the tie

hey sig quick question, which one of dom or nutella was the most clearly bad and so obviously the right choice that i should have voted for them over the other?

since I know it was between two civs I think this is a good look for Kyle? Could also be TMI though

this rationale irks my buttons but I don't know how to explain why it does

Because it's a post that pretends to give a read on you while attempting to town-ify nutellla?

[mention]Fractal[/mention] I know people hate this question, ignore them:

How would you describe your mafia play?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:02 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:56 am

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:52 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:50 am I like nutella going after this Ramsey thing. But then, scum could do that too.
I dislike her magic bagging at EOD1, and her D1 callouts.

Light scumread there still.

speed what is "magic bagging"?

Is that not a term here? Oohh! It's education time!

Magic Bagging:

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:13 pm Kanyway I'm busy at work and really can't keep up with the thread through EOD so don't lynch me k I have a good and helpful town role sorry I don't have time to hunt more rn

Verb: The act of taking your supposed town role and using it as leverage without saying what it is.
"You don't want to kill me, I've got something really cool and awesome inside this magic bag. I can't show you what it is, but you wouldn't want to waste it!"

Generally seen as a scumtell, at least in closed setups. In open setups it might be more necessary, but is still a substitute for actual hunting and towny behavior, and is more focused on moving the lynch anywhere (like to Dom, RIP) instead of somewhere specific.

Oh wow thanks speed I see people do that all the time. I had no idea it was regarded as a scum tel.

It is where I came from. Cultures are different.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:46 am SAW people in this game, and whether they knew/listened to the dataplex guy that also did a ramsey song thing

rico (Very involved in SAW for most of last year)

nut (liked dataplex)
inh (never commented on Dataplex)
marmot (never commented on Dataplex)

speed (Aint me)
golden (not in here on N1)
colin (came into SAW much after dataplex)

It's probably not nutella, or she wouldn't be pursuing this.
Could be INH or Marmot.
It basically is not the last three.

I think it's just rico.

It occurred to me that, upon reviewing the topic, this might be angleshooting. I've never heard that term before this game.

I'm going to assume this is Rico and GTFO this line of suspicion.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:52 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:50 am I like nutella going after this Ramsey thing. But then, scum could do that too.
I dislike her magic bagging at EOD1, and her D1 callouts.

Light scumread there still.

speed what is "magic bagging"?

Is that not a term here? Oohh! It's education time!

Magic Bagging:

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:13 pm Kanyway I'm busy at work and really can't keep up with the thread through EOD so don't lynch me k I have a good and helpful town role sorry I don't have time to hunt more rn

Verb: The act of taking your supposed town role and using it as leverage without saying what it is.
"You don't want to kill me, I've got something really cool and awesome inside this magic bag. I can't show you what it is, but you wouldn't want to waste it!"

Generally seen as a scumtell, at least in closed setups. In open setups it might be more necessary, but is still a substitute for actual hunting and towny behavior, and is more focused on moving the lynch anywhere (like to Dom, RIP) instead of somewhere specific.

I like nutella going after this Ramsey thing. But then, scum could do that too.
I dislike her magic bagging at EOD1, and her D1 callouts.

Light scumread there still.

SAW people in this game, and whether they knew/listened to the dataplex guy that also did a ramsey song thing

rico (Very involved in SAW for most of last year)

nut (liked dataplex)
inh (never commented on Dataplex)
marmot (never commented on Dataplex)

speed (Aint me)
golden (not in here on N1)
colin (came into SAW much after dataplex)

It's probably not nutella, or she wouldn't be pursuing this.
Could be INH or Marmot.
It basically is not the last three.

I think it's just rico.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:42 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:40 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:38 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:39 pm Meh I think you can narrow it down more than that tbh. Ramses also wouldn't say right out that he enjoyed the music as speed, me, Kyle, and vomp have. maybe vomp though lol. I originally assumed it was just Rico himself controlling the sock, but since it is a role in the game it might be the player. But why not also think of who even *would* post those pieces. Like, juliets wouldn't, right? I think it's either Rico or someone else with funky musical taste like maybe vomps.

yes. I thought from the beginning that it was rico, but I was trying to consider who else it could be since it might make sense for the player to control it, but since I narrowed it down from a combination of people's reactions and music tastes I went back to thinking it was rico. ya dig?

No dig. Find a better candidate and maybe I dig.

One of those musics was from the guy who did Dataplex, an album submitted to SAW (Syndicate Album of the Week).

Given that relation, and assuming many of the people in this game would not have stumbled across that somewhat obscure artist, we could narrow things down.

Two options, then:
1. Rico is controlling it, not wanting the music selection to be indicative of any certain player or role-hinting.
2. Rico doesn't care about that, and Ramses is likely someone who has been in the SAW topic.

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:36 pm Gahhh I'll be back tomorrow - I friggin' pulled something in my back this morning and am either in delirious pain or deliriously/deliciously drugged. Fuuuuuuck this (the pain, not the game)

I'm sorry to hear that.

You should totally play drugged tho

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:54 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:50 pm Somebody read through speedchuck’s posts and tell me he’s not supertowning as scum.

Is this something he does? I remember him in AG and don’t necessarily feel the same, but I haven’t looked for exact comparisons

I used to Supah-town as scum, but then I rolled like 5 scumgames in a row and got tired.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:33 am I see those pinks, and also Speed and Kyle, why did you vote for me?

Wasn't feeling great about my other options (Dom and Nutella), so I voted a low poster.

Welp. I'll be reviewing DDL tomorrow.

No wait this is actually pretty good too.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:24 pm

AAGAGGAGGHHHAHHHHHHHH!H!H!H!

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:21 pm Yeah I don’t really know how to tell. Everybody who was cursed’s reactions sound exaggerated and fake.

I don’t like nutella’s idea to try and determine which user would post those specific videos though. It feels icky.

I think DDL was talking about reactions TO the cursed people.

lapluie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:20 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:15 pm Wow, this show was more disturbing than I thought.

But have you ever played the courage game?? that was even more spooky

Game?