The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:53 pm "Almost elucidates on the Dom suspicion, but this is so weak that I struggle to believe it. In struggling to believe it, I have to question whether that is because Mac and Dom are partners and this case is bullshit distancing. I recall an emotional slant to Mac and Dom's exchanges which would suggest otherwise, but I won't rule it out just yet. -1 point for Dom after having received a +1 before."

If Dom and Mac are teammates, I lose respect for both of them.

Same.

I wish we got three lunches out of the inception thing

Make that 'probably', if there are four scum left after Sig.

If only one thread was going to get a lynch there's no reason to assume there would be a scum in each level, right?

I think it's still possibly the case, though.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:32 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:50 pm There is no story, town or scum, that accounts for everything that Sig theorized.

I... disagree?

Did you read my post?

The long one? I think we’re in agreement — Sig does not have complete information of everything he’s said? There’s no reason to try to build a world where somehow he knows everything.

Ah, I see. You're saying Sig is making assumptions in those posts regardless of what role he has.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:50 pm There is no story, town or scum, that accounts for everything that Sig theorized.

I... disagree?

Did you read my post?

Occam's razor still shaves sig's beard.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:28 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:47 pm Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:57 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:53 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:49 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:48 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:47 pm Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.

You parse that by lynching Jack.

I completely missed the 'why' there. I know you suspect him, but how does he connect to this? Or is that independent?

Jack is on the sabie / Radises team.

What manner of civilian preemptively calls out anyone who might make cases against other people when "we're supposed to be lynching Mac." He accused anyone who might on Day 4 accuse anyone else as defending Mac.

That's because he's on the other bad team. The one with sabie and Radishes.

And sig is not?

Or do you propose Jack and Sig w/w?

The highlighted are the problems I've had with your posts, Speed. These look like "Okay, great. We lynched Mac. Now let's look elsewhere instead of lynching sig."

One of those posts is based on a misunderstanding of Sloonei/Juliets, and me trying to clear it up. The other is me trying to get Epi to clarify whether he's completely ignoring sig. Given the context of that second post, I'm actually bringing Sig back into a conversation where Epi seemed to be ignoring him.

Doing the opposite of what you said.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:06 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:03 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:58 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:47 pm Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.

This is actually a terrible look for Speed.

Like just as I’d expect Mac’s team to not want to lynch Sig, then Mac, I’d expect Sig’s team to not want to lynch Mac then Sig.

Speed has now made two posts about Sig not being mafia after Mac’s flip.

Ah hmmm indeed yes quite

I have made zero posts about that subject.

Now I have made a post on the subject. Come at me [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]

My post got deleted by stupid internet twice so I'm gonna be brief. Looking at the sigslip progression.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:36 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:32 pm sig & sprityo vs. mac

it's actually like the culmination of a several year arc when you think about it

Where the two brave heroes finally defeat the evil mastermind.

Or the one brave hero (sig) teams up with the lesser of two evils to defeat the more powerful evil overlord.

Sig has been going after Mac for a while.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:07 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:56 pm @sig you saw my post, please can you explain how this night result proves any specific person bad?

I don't know what any of you are talking about.

Linki @ nutella I did read it if I don't know what a janitor is that doesn't help me lol

A combination of the last two nights plus his general tone/other things I touched on N1.

So here's how it went down.

N1 I made posts about Mac I was then given one post for 2 day. Which is Satima's power. I think Mac/his team was the most likely to use this on me given whom I was calling out mainly him.

linki: I see people already answered.

Sig begins with the assumption that a Saitama on Mac's team is targeting him, because who else would target him based on his posts? This is not a horrible assumption to make, especially with him already scum-reading Mac strongly.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:09 pm Also food for thought that I'm workshoping:

N1 there was no kill and Sprityo/Dom started to pursue Mac more heavily. Now there were a few things floating around about that, but given some of the voters on his wagon and how Sabie flipped I think Team 1 tried to kill Mac and it didn't work since he has the one night kill protection. Which led to a push from some of the players on his wagon to flip him to gain civ credit.

The great thing here is that so many people on Radish's wagon had teammate compatibility with both Sabie/Radish.

So we flip Mac and he's mafia, next lynch is Sprityo who's one of the surviving Anti-Moniters and from there it's just the matter of finding the last one of them and then analyzing how people voted to save Mac. Given the last minute swing to stop Mac from being lynched I think his team moved and pushed him over so we'd wanna look at late voters to the Radish wagon. Which adds to my suspicion of Mac.

In comes the game theorizing. Sig seems excited to build on his Mac theory. He does so based on the already-revealed mafia and the reaction of some players (Sprityo) after the failed nightkill. Note that this builds on the assumption that Mac is on Saitama's team, pinpointing Mac AS Saitama. This isn't coming out of the blue, Sig is worldbuilding around assumptions. It's almost tinfoil at this point, but I can sorta see it. There aren't that many nightkill protections in this game.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:10 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:07 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:56 pm @sig you saw my post, please can you explain how this night result proves any specific person bad?

I don't know what any of you are talking about.

Linki @ nutella I did read it if I don't know what a janitor is that doesn't help me lol

A combination of the last two nights plus his general tone/other things I touched on N1.

So here's how it went down.

N1 I made posts about Mac I was then given one post for 2 day. Which is Satima's power. I think Mac/his team was the most likely to use this on me given whom I was calling out mainly him.

linki: I see people already answered.

Mr. TunnelMac, I was not here on night 1 at all. I didn't even know that you were suspicious of me.

That's a nothing argument all the way.


There is no way to p[rove or since you have a team of 3 more they weren't here.


Really and this is probably the reason why Mac was so salty about it last phase. He could've had nothing to do with this at all, it could've been his teammates decisions and I just linked him to it vs them.

Either way Mac is mafia take it to the bank.

Sig is certain of Mac's mafia-ness and that Mac's team used Mac's power to target him. That's the crux of his argument.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:38 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:33 pm There is a civ that can't be nked and two protection roles, Aja and Lassie.

Yea, but I doubt they'd have targeted Mac.

I did think about the civ role, a fair amount. However, I think it's much more likely he's mafia.

Also to Epi, I do plan to finish my case, this phase just caught me at a bad time.

Alternatively to Mac,

I'd say Sprityo is a good lynch followed by an inactive/semi active role. Think a lurker who isn't doing much.

linki: Your back and forth with Dom yesterday, various other posts, your small dick comments, and your entire tone when discussing you.

SVS's post here doesn't quote Sig, but is a direct response to the theory post in the context of the thread. Sig responds with the same realization I had toward Jack a bit ago.
No protection would target Mac.
This post wasn't built on the knowledge that Mac was targeted and discounting that Aja and Lassie could have stopped the kill. Sig was specifically bolstering his theory against the idea that, SPECIFICALLY, Mac survived for some other reason. Sig is deep in theory-world here, and his response makes assumptions that could make sense in that theory world, given his educated guess that Mac is Saitama-adjacent.

This last post looks not-great out of context. In context, in the mindset and theory-building mode that sig is in, I can see it happening. Partly because I made a post that was almost exactly the same:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:44 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:41 am His knowledge of the nightkill is “I think the mafia shot Mac and he’s the bulletproof guy in the Master mafia.”

So if we’re to read “I think” as “I know” then the chances of Mac also being scum skyrockets.

But there's only one part of that he CAN know, right? Surely there are town roles that can stop a kill?

...

But nobody would have protected Mac. Oh. Lol.

Yeah I could lynch Mac first. [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I can, in fact, see a world where Sig is town. That's not a read. I'm only saying the slip is not a 100% slam dunk. I scumread sig for other reasons, as stated earlier in the thread.

I think this is important to be said. You might think me wrong, but I think in the mental space sig was in, his post could make sense. It depends on how deep in the theory tunnel (the CORRECT theory tunnel) he was.
Or he's scum and believed that most people would interpret his infodump in the way I just have. He's sitting at his desk screaming 'I set up a logical progression for a town mindset, you idiots! Don't lynch me for that!'

I see you sig. I see these posts, and follow your mindset. I still will probably vote you tomorrow. Cheers.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:35 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:33 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:32 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:04 pm Of those names, I’m not sure one in particular stands out. I think Sig’s vote was the most egregious, but his macro play of all those names has been the greenest. At the moment I’m not entirely sure where I’d place a vote (and obviously can’t anyway), but GTH I’d say Sabie. Also not a fan of Mac’s play on this – inconsistent and never landed on the wagon or, conversely, showed progression away from it. Just blew on the sparks a bit.

I dunno, I was suspicious of Sig for a reason I think. Let me look back.

Ah, yes, it was his crappity crap reasons for still wanting to lynch nutella after Jack recanted. He overcompenisated for his position by throwing a bunch of bad reasons in with the good.

1. Reason wasnt crappy
2. Was laying out my thought process.

It would be imo so much worse to instantly switch off since Jack changed his mind, especially since I didnt base my vote solely off his read and two she wasn't a civ?

Not to mention I stated a few times she wasnt my top lynch which Is why I switched off once things evened our a bit.

Some of your reasons were crappy. And you had some perfectly good reasons. Overcompensating to justify staying on nutella. Meh. Minor sus.

This is the post where I started suspecting Sig. I quote this because what I'm about to say might get me lynched lol.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:45 am SOMETIMES THE 800 SCUM GAMES IN A ROW BLEND TOGETHER OK

*counts nanook's game played*



*votes nanook*

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:16 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:13 pm

sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:09 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:07 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:58 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:47 pm Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.

This is actually a terrible look for Speed.

I'm not concerned about that. I've kept up with the game enough to think Mac was going to flip Anti-Monitor. I was surprised to see Saitama.

Saitama is exactly the role sig said he thought Mac was though back on d2 and the one that makes sense with all the theories. But ok.

Yea it reeks for speed honestly. I've been going after this and specifically this role forever.

And you expect me to have read any of those posts... why?

I skimmed Dizzy's post, then voted. After the lynch, I saw Sloonei and Juliets having a conversation like this:

"Sloonei is still a prime suspect."
"I don't get it, why?"

And I'm like WTF did something not go as planned? Mac seems to have flipped scum. What's going on?

So I asked.

I expect you to have read sig's single day 2 post, it was a pretty big deal

I didn't though.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:14 pm I want someone now to make the case for Sig as town.
Is anyone doing that? Besides Sig?

I am. Apparently. Jack said I was.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:09 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:07 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:58 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:47 pm Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.

This is actually a terrible look for Speed.

I'm not concerned about that. I've kept up with the game enough to think Mac was going to flip Anti-Monitor. I was surprised to see Saitama.

Saitama is exactly the role sig said he thought Mac was though back on d2 and the one that makes sense with all the theories. But ok.

Yea it reeks for speed honestly. I've been going after this and specifically this role forever.

And you expect me to have read any of those posts... why?

I skimmed Dizzy's post, then voted. After the lynch, I saw Sloonei and Juliets having a conversation like this:

"Sloonei is still a prime suspect."
"I don't get it, why?"

And I'm like WTF did something not go as planned? Mac seems to have flipped scum. What's going on?

So I asked.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:03 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:58 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:47 pm Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.

This is actually a terrible look for Speed.

Like just as I’d expect Mac’s team to not want to lynch Sig, then Mac, I’d expect Sig’s team to not want to lynch Mac then Sig.

Speed has now made two posts about Sig not being mafia after Mac’s flip.

Ah hmmm indeed yes quite

I have made zero posts about that subject.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:02 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:58 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:47 pm Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.

This is actually a terrible look for Speed.

You think it's a fake derp clear?

Speaking of which, now that G-Man's vote switch made me suspect him of being on AM again, I also think G-Man may have fake-derped when he was asking about which teams we thought mac and sig were on. Like, that was a pretty basic bit of information that should have been abundantly clear if he read anything. I don't want to seem like I'm shaming him for not reading but it just seems potentially sketchy to me and like he might have been pretending not to know.

I'm gonna believe him. Forget Jack. G-man is now AU me. We are the dads that rock.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:00 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:57 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:53 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:49 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:48 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:47 pm Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.

You parse that by lynching Jack.

I completely missed the 'why' there. I know you suspect him, but how does he connect to this? Or is that independent?

Jack is on the sabie / Radises team.

What manner of civilian preemptively calls out anyone who might make cases against other people when "we're supposed to be lynching Mac." He accused anyone who might on Day 4 accuse anyone else as defending Mac.

That's because he's on the other bad team. The one with sabie and Radishes.

And sig is not?

Or do you propose Jack and Sig w/w?

I condemned Jack based on sabie stuff. I can link you if need be.

Then he preemptively calls anybody who makes cases against anyone after sig is dead teammates of Mac. That's horseshit. Jack is not a civilian. Lynch his ass.

Can we do it after Sig?

I understand your position on Jack now but you didn't actually answer my questions there.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:58 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:47 pm Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.

This is actually a terrible look for Speed.

I'm not concerned about that. I've kept up with the game enough to think Mac was going to flip Anti-Monitor. I was surprised to see Saitama.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:53 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:49 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:48 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:47 pm Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.

You parse that by lynching Jack.

I completely missed the 'why' there. I know you suspect him, but how does he connect to this? Or is that independent?

Jack is on the sabie / Radises team.

What manner of civilian preemptively calls out anyone who might make cases against other people when "we're supposed to be lynching Mac." He accused anyone who might on Day 4 accuse anyone else as defending Mac.

That's because he's on the other bad team. The one with sabie and Radishes.

And sig is not?

Or do you propose Jack and Sig w/w?

No no, this works. Jack is right, I mistook Sig and Dizzy as talking about mac AS anti-monitor. Dizzy's most recent posts clear that up.

Skiiiimiiiing is silly.

Why do people want to lynch Jack for being logical about the lynch order?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:49 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:47 pm Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.

No, he is exactly who sig thought he was.

Then why isn't everyone like 'ltnch sig immediately'

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:48 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:47 pm Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.

You parse that by lynching Jack.

I completely missed the 'why' there. I know you suspect him, but how does he connect to this? Or is that independent?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:46 pm Timing is good. Audrey (my first born) just got admitted to hospital. Good luck to my team. Well done to my adversaries.

'Good' does not belong in the same paragraph as that. Prayers your way.

Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:36 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:30 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:19 pm Speedchuck is short odds to be scum here imo

You never responded to my addressing your accusation earlier.

Am I active in scumchat, Mac?

Yes and got told to switch to them on this-2 junk.

Funny people seem able to figure out that role but not any other info ones.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:30 pm Worms time. I'll be back before the poll locks. I like my vote where it is. sig can hang. Mac can hang. I don't give a shit.

Nice. Drop heavy asses on them.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:19 pm Speedchuck is short odds to be scum here imo

You never responded to my addressing your accusation earlier.

Am I active in scumchat, Mac?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:26 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:23 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:11 pm Ted, Jack, and Colin are the names to look into if we’re right about sig. Dom is a fringe candidate too, and I saw someone float Tranq as well. I have no reason to object to that.

This for if Sig is scum?

Yes

What happened to mac

That’s what I’m wondering

These are the candidates to be the last remaining member of the sig/sabie/radishes team. Mac is not on that team.

Lol it's like the inverse of that Mac/Dom misunderstanding from a day ago

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:23 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:20 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:19 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:18 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:12 pm But we need it to be more than that.

Michelle? speedchuck?

What?

we were looking for people to join the sig wagon for mechanical reasons.

I'm pressed for time. I'd like more than 'mechanical reasons' as an explanation.

but [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

If sig is mafia he has a 50% chance of starting the day with -2 votes on him. If we are inclined to lynch him and neutralize his team today, it is ideal to give him a comfortable lead in the poll.

Ah, better to gank the -2 vote thing earlier than later. Yes. I'll stick with that then.

did I just ruin a game-solvy tie because of sloonei

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:24 pm 8-10 is where you want it, cause then if Sig is the AM then the tie breaker gets to decide

. . . that's where it was?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:23 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:11 pm Ted, Jack, and Colin are the names to look into if we’re right about sig. Dom is a fringe candidate too, and I saw someone float Tranq as well. I have no reason to object to that.

This for if Sig is scum?

Yes

What happened to mac

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:20 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:19 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:18 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:12 pm But we need it to be more than that.

Michelle? speedchuck?

What?

we were looking for people to join the sig wagon for mechanical reasons.

I'm pressed for time. I'd like more than 'mechanical reasons' as an explanation.

but [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:18 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:12 pm But we need it to be more than that.

@Michelle? @speedchuck?

What?

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:35 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:49 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:22 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:10 pm Do we know how ties are decided?

I hope we don't have a tie. Wether is no lynch or a RNG, this sucks.

There is a town role that decides ties unless it is dead.

I could not find that in the roles.

King Dedede? From Kirby mafia? I see it on page one.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:22 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:10 pm Do we know how ties are decided?

I hope we don't have a tie. Wether is no lynch or a RNG, this sucks.

There is a town role that decides ties unless it is dead.

I've had a suspicion of Sig since D1, before the whole slip biz. I really don't care much whether he or Mac get sacked first.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:41 am His knowledge of the nightkill is “I think the mafia shot Mac and he’s the bulletproof guy in the Master mafia.”

So if we’re to read “I think” as “I know” then the chances of Mac also being scum skyrockets.

But there's only one part of that he CAN know, right? Surely there are town roles that can stop a kill?

...

But nobody would have protected Mac. Oh. Lol.

Yeah I could lynch Mac first. [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:23 am

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:46 am math is wonderful

what TSP is doing is not mathematics. : (

It is. It’s just the kind of math townies don’t like to listen to, along with logic like “even if I am scum....”

Townies generally want to vote for the player they suspect the most, which is Sig, not the player who is most likely to flip mafia, which is Mac.

It doesn’t really matter because we’re probably lynching them both and they’re probably both flipping mafia but

Tony’s logic is sound.

Lynch Sig and he flips wolf -> lynch Mac
Lynch Sig and he flips town -> lynch Mac
Lynch Mac and he flips bulletproof wolf -> lynch Sig
Lynch Mac and he flips town -> a decent chunk of the Sig case falls away -> maybe don’t lynch Sig.

Logically, mathematically, that makes Mac the best lynch.

Realistically, people suspect Sig the most and Sig will be lynched today. That’s of course fine because there’s good reason for that suspicion. We just need to follow up on Mac tomorrow, especially because he’ll have three teammates running interference and I’m betting we’ll see some new cases starting up on townies tomorrow.

I thought the Sig case was more predicated on his knowledge of the nightkill, not of the alignment he supposed for Mac. That would make Sig's slip irrelevant to Mac's alignment, if his team just got it wrong?

Or did I miss case development overnight?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:42 pm hey gang how's it going

Baby's asleep, so it's awesome, thanks for asking.

Also Dizzy gave us a pretty amazing ghost post.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:28 pm Why is everybody up sig's ass? Holy shit.

It's roomy.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:20 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:17 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:09 pm @MacDougall talk about players who aren’t voting for/heavily suspecting you. Who are your town reads? Is there anyone you think isn’t getting enough attention?

A great deal of people. The constant focus on myself (and now Sig) is very much allowing for a game environment where people who are absolutely failing in their basic civilian duty, or not living up to their usual standards are receiving little to no pressure. I have reservations about all the below;

Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
ColinIsCool - Only appears to be trying when there is pressure on him.
Michelle - Does not match her meta. Hasn't helped the civ cause really at all.
speedchuck - Does not appear to be the same speedchuck that I am used to seeing.
sprityo - Appears to be totally laying low outside of intermittently FPS reading me scum.
Tranq - Has literally made 5 posts or something.

Mac can you talk about speedchuck? Is it that he isn't posting frequently or something else/combination of things?

I think the lack of speedchuck's content is a large part of it. I am used to him being a more prominent member of the town. I think that with players like speedchuck sometimes basic is the best way to read them. If he is not living up to the normal standards of contribution then it's probably because he has a non town agenda/is putting a lot of his content elsewhere (ie. scum chat).

Have you ever been in scumchat with me?

How chatty am I in scumchat, Mac?

linki: my 'extra content' is going into audio editing, yeah. That's not an excuse, so feel free to suspect me and put attention my way. But it's also an unfortunate truth to work around. Binding freelance contracts are more pressing than mafia.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:37 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:32 pm I can [VOTE: Sig] aubergine for sure, with Mac on the back burner.

You didn't

Could have sworn I did.

I can [VOTE: Sig] aubergine for sure, with Mac on the back burner.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:55 pm For the record though, sloonei is absolutely mac's teammate idk why y'all are sleeping on that fact.

TonyStarkPrime

Literally first I've heard of this.

(but if he is don't you think we should lynch Mac first? :P)

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:52 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:51 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:49 pm I also think anyone hard pushing the “mac has given up, lol gottem” line should be under a close microscope tomorrow

. . .

You're talking about even if Mac is scum, right?

Yes. Multiball.

Oh, right, Multiball.

And here I almost sorta agree with you.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:49 pm I also think anyone hard pushing the “mac has given up, lol gottem” line should be under a close microscope tomorrow

. . .

You're talking about even if Mac is scum, right?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:47 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:45 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:29 pm To be clear I think he’s a wolf, I just don’t think that’s why he’s a wolf

Distinctions like this are scummy.

Distinctions like you are scummy

NO U is scummy.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:29 pm To be clear I think he’s a wolf, I just don’t think that’s why he’s a wolf

Distinctions like this are scummy.