The Syndicate

Looked back again. I feel a bit like SVS/Epi is town/town. It's not scum/scum, as far as I can tell. I also feel a bit better about SVS after Day 4.

Speedchuck
Quin
S~V~S
Epignosis
Sorsha
Dom

Epi:
I'm willing to forgive Epi's place on my wagon. I've been crap this game. Don't really like the way he avoided responsibility for the vote by promising the bandwagon on G-Man, but at the same time, if I die, it's game over. If Epi were mafia, he'd know who the townies are, and at the point in the game, responsibility for mislynches doesn't matter.

The way DF agreed to follow onto the three-man wagon makes Epi look... better? I'd expect distancing from Epi if he were scum, buddying if her were town. Wine on that one.

The constant dislike of DF's lynch was iffy, but only because of the result. If she was a different, more unfair bullcrap type role, then Epi would've been right.
Of course, where I come from, Lynchproofs are considered bad game design, so I can't judge that one for sure. I could talk about why, but it isn't relevant to the game at hand.

The back and forth with SVS is weird. It's so focused on meta that I can't make heads or tails of it. If anyone else can, please do.

A coordinated scum team could have jumped on me together at EOD and lynched me, ending the game with a scum win. That they didn't suggests a lack of coordination and presence. While further implicating Dom, this doesn't give me good feels about Sorsha.

Sorsha:
I'm torn between whether her place on DF's wagon looks good or terrible. Her vote almost made DF's lynch unavoidable, though she probably wasn't around at EOD to nab me with a coordinated scum CFD. HOWEVER: Sorsha isn't in the best spot, and referenced reasons from yesterday while voting for DF. Had Sorsha not voted DF, that could have set up more flags on her than not.

I could see a Dom/Sorsha team. Still looking at others.

Dom scares me a bit.

His vote on me, a few minutes before deadline, would have caused a tie. A tie would have given town a 4/7 chance of losing the game, right there. If there had been one more on me, that's 100% mislynch. Dom either:
Voted me, then reconsidered and decided not to play the odds this late and go ahead for his teammate
or
Legitimately carelessly flung a vote on me before considering where the game, vote totals, and scum were, then switched to DF immediately after.

Thoughts? From anyone?

MovingPictures07 wrote:I see I am now a part of this game. Furthermore, it appears to be in a critical stage. Cool.

I've kept up with the game poorly off and on, so I'm vaguely aware of what's going on, but I don't feel comfortable with it. Let me read some of this stuff and I'll report back with questions for you all as well as some immediate reads.

The HCR crossover game, however, ends over four hours before this game. I'm in that game and it's currently Day 1, so my attention is more likely to be focused on that game until that EoD is complete.

Welcome!

You're basically townfirmed, so don't worry about suspicion too much. Just post what you can, and thanks!

MP is just a trooper when it comes to replacements. Assuming that's what sockface means.

Gotcha. Sorry to see you go, Quin. Bad luck there, and good game so far.

I have no idea what you mean. Did I miss something?

Oh, Quin, while you're here:
I truist you because you're literally confirmed town. I don't think this game is that bastard-y.

I'm pretty confused, but I don't think I saw it?

Everything I saw was DF.

I THINK DF is scum? Clarification?

Dom wrote:what did i do

Almost forced a tie.

That would be... really bad at LYLO

Dom gave me a heart attack

I am ded

Quin wrote:

G-Man wrote:Following me isn't the goal. Keeping our options open is. Tell me what you guys think about speedchuck.

G-Man wrote:Five Reasons Speedchuck Might Be Mafia:
1) He spent most of Day 1 posting but adding nothing of substance.

2) He mentions he'd almost rather force a tie than lynch either notsawyer or nutella on Day 2. Perhaps he knew and this was him playing 'uncertain civvie' as little too loosely?

3) The top half of his colorless rainbow was pretty spot-on.

4) He's tightened up his game the longer the game has progressed.

5) There's a lot of posts expressing his thoughts on the thoughts and theories of others but I feel like there's not enough expressing his own thoughts.


Five Reasons Speedchuck Might Be Civvie:
1) He's newer here and still trying to get used to all of our varying personalities.

2) I feel inclined to give a new guy the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes to a fault though.

3) He had a good, pointed question to S~V~S regarding her "second silly vote looks worse than the third" bit.

4) He's tightened up his game the longer the game has progressed.

5) n/a

#3- My initial coward threat and the first time I called Golden a coward.

On the wind that lifts her perfume through the air...

I've had pangs of suspicion. He was quick to accept me as town even when it'd been made clear that in a balanced setup either DF or I must be bad. I get that he town read me anyway, but at Lylo I'd have expected it to be debated more. He was also the third to jump on my Sorsha vote.

Fun fact - he claims he was town-reading me, but tried to lynch me when he realised I was still alive. What's up with that... chucky boy?

I didn't think you were still alive. I thought it was a poll mistake.
Then I left town.
I know it's a crappy move with a crappy look, but that's what happened.

With it being MYLO, and with the power balance as is, Faraday is the best bet.

Ah, okay, I think I've answered my own question.

After reading over G-Man's 'five reasons' post, my readlist remains the same. I'll add color for the fun of it:
Speedchuck
G-Man
Quin
Epignosis
Dom
Sorsha
S~V~S
DFaraday

I'm town.
I don't think this is enough of a bastard setup for G-Man or Quin to be scum. Quin I had a strong townread on anyway.

DOes this game have hammered lynches? Or is it just end of day majority?

Epignosis wrote:

speedchuck wrote:Speedchuck
Quin
Epignosis
Dom
Sorsha
S~V~S
DFaraday

Quin argument makes sense to me. Here's a read list, from most town to least.

Also, this is Mylo, not lylo.

I am your most civilian after you and Quin. Why?

Gut. It's served me well so far.

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:If DF is a traditional Mafia godfather, and he gets the most votes, the game is over, and the civilians don't win.

What's your definition of a traditional mafia godfather?

Perhaps "traditional" is a poor word choice. I simply mean if DF cannot be lynched until his goons are taken out first, trying to lynch him today gets the mafia the win.

It's MYLO, I think. A mislynch gives mafia the win. A no lynch does not.

Speedchuck
Quin
Epignosis
Dom
Sorsha
S~V~S
DFaraday

Quin argument makes sense to me. Here's a read list, from most town to least.

Also, this is Mylo, not lylo.

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

DFaraday wrote:If someone could outline the case on me, that'd be great.

I voted for you becasue you asked me a question, I answered it, and then you said, basically, that I didn't answer it. Like as if someone had put me into a possible list of suspects, and you decided to suspect me. It felt opportunistic to me.

I'm voting for you because you keep voting for people for doing things you don't like as opposed to things that are indicative of being mafia.

I don't like them because I think they are indicative of being Mafia. I thought that was a given. Apparently not.

To be fair, I have used this syntax before.
"I'm liking this read wall" - meaning that I think it speaks well of that person.
"I don't like the way X answered" - meaning I think it was scummy.

Of course, sometimes I just don't like things as well. That's how I would have felt about the Sorsha train, were I not encouraging the crap out of it.

I'm still not sure I get the colors. Is it the number of votes on them?

Epignosis wrote:

speedchuck wrote:Epi being scum wouldn't surprise me.

Why should it ever surprise you?

True enough.

Golden wrote:

G-Man wrote:Fill us in, Golden the Coward ! Why is Quin still on the poll?

Why didn't quin use dead red when he posted?

Answer:



KILL HIM

Sorsha wrote:At the time when I had four votes on day one I was saying to myself there is no way they can all be civs. Two have been civs so far and that leaves speedchuck and Epi.

Df and svs come to mind as players who defended me pretty early while that vote was going on and now after, are going after those who voted me. As much as I appreciate them sticking up for me it makes me wonder if one, or both are bad trying to buddy me or going after some easy targets. I have to look over the last lynch to see what part they played in it.

I've still only skimmed, I just wanted to get a few thoughts out there.

The fourth vote on a wagon, especially in early game, is a happenstance place for scum to be. It's an opportunistic place on the wagon, but still a meaningful place that leads further toward a lynch.

Epi being scum wouldn't surprise me.

Assuming you've narrowed it down to the four, which one would you be most suspicious of?

linki: Honestly, I had a wedding and a birthday, and was sick through both. I'm usually around much more, like in Phenon, but I was down and out this past week. That's the distracting bit you're seeing.
I'm here now, though.

DFaraday wrote:SVS' response still hasn't adequately explained her treatment of Llama, imp. I will likely vote SVS or Daisy, whose votes have felt safe and, if Nutella is bad, potentially a last minute save.

In my opinion, either DF is scum or one of these targets is scum.

It's an opinion that I've had for most of the day, but this further sets up that paradigm.

S~V~S wrote:I mean, at the time you voted for her, she had only posted off topic.

speedchuck wrote:If there's anyone I can trust, it's Quin. And Llama. Yes.

SORSHA

(Fri 10:44 AM)

Here's her post history: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 7&sr=posts

And on a tangent, here is another post of you and I discussing the same thing:

speedchuck wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I just really dislike it when people put others in a lynchable position for lulz. Probably an artifact of when we did not have changeable votes.

Nah, it bugs the people where I come from too, and we never experienced unchangeable votes.

You seemed surprised this AM that this was a thing, yet here you say it is a thing where you are from as well. This morning:

speedchuck wrote:

S~V~S wrote:@Speed, this post from Friday afternoon.

S~V~S wrote:I wonder if Sorsha noticed she had three votes when she was in here.

One vote on a person for a silly reason, ha ha lulz. Dropping a second vote on someone for a silly reason, not cool. Dropping a third vote, what baddie would do that?

I hope to see votes moving there or better reasons put forth.

So dropping a temp vote on Llama for lulz. If he takes his vote more seriously, I will too.

Is it just accepted here that dropping a second vote on a random vote for no reason is scummy?

Because that's weird.

Sorsha's posts, though off topic, gave me an uncomfortable feel. Good as it got at that time of day.

As for your second thing: Disliking something and thinking it's scummy are not always the same thing. I would actually dislike the 3rd no-reson vote on a wagon more. Still wouldn't attribute scum to the second. But that's me.

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Been looking over Quin, doing some death analysis. People that might have killed Quin:
SpaceDaisy (barely, but there was interaction, and not all was positive. What was positive was buddy-buddy)
DFaraday (Obviously. Quin would be pushing us to lynch DF today)

S~V~S wrote:@Speed, this post from Friday afternoon.

S~V~S wrote:I wonder if Sorsha noticed she had three votes when she was in here.

One vote on a person for a silly reason, ha ha lulz. Dropping a second vote on someone for a silly reason, not cool. Dropping a third vote, what baddie would do that?

I hope to see votes moving there or better reasons put forth.

So dropping a temp vote on Llama for lulz. If he takes his vote more seriously, I will too.

Is it just accepted here that dropping a second vote on a random vote for no reason is scummy?

Because that's weird.

S~V~S wrote:

nutella wrote:I suppose I can see some merit in that analysis, but I'm not so sure what it tells us. I voted for llama because I thought he was suspicious.

Yeah, me too. I really disliked his piling a second frivolous vote on Sorsha for a very silly reason. It actually looked more suspect to me than Speen putting a THIRD vote on her for the same frivolous reason. Everyone was voting for frivolous reasons that day, put putting a second vote on someone is serious.

To the highlighted bit: Why?

Spacedaisy wrote:

nutella wrote:RIP Quin.

G-Man wrote:Feeling pretty confident that there is a baddie in the Llama voters. So ladies, talk me out of voting for you, starting... now!

Can you explain why you think that? If there is, it's not me. Can't speak for the S-ladies.

Just numerically speaking it's not a bad shot, I mean a third of the players were in that list of voters. That said, I don't believe you are bad and I know I'm not bad. That leaves me with Sorsha and SVS.

I could totally throw a vote on any of the S-ladies.

Speedchuck
G-Man

nutella
Quin

Spacedaisy
Dom
DFaraday

Epignosis
S~V~S
Sorsha

I don't feel confident enough to add colors to this. 99% of this is gut. First lynch provided no info. The second hardly did. Ugh.

Oh, a posted question I never saw:

Dom wrote:

speedchuck wrote:Eh. Voting Dom.

Who's on your team with you?

You, I hope.

I just reread the second half of the game. My own posts stick out pretty badly, as I made them without reading the game. I had no clue what was going on.

I'm still behind, but less so. I'm gonna dredge up the equivalent of a D1 rainbow, and you fellows can quiz me so that I can make an impact on this thread. Good? Great.

Spacedaisy wrote:Oh lord I need to just give up today, clearly I'm about ten steps behind. speedchuck ended up voting notsawyer...

still don't understand why not DF?

Honestly, I hardly remember yesterday, but I'm pretty sure I was only trying to save llama d1.

Not that I have great reasons for my vote today.

I almost feel like unvoting and causing a tie would be better than these two options, because they seem easy to mislynch. Why am I wrong?

Guys, I'm sick, but here. Hard to catch up on this device. What do I do?

Yeah, I feel much better about df compared to notsawyer.

If you wanna lynch me based on my lazy, gman, that is fine. Just don't expect scum. And please don't force another tie.

I just actually read the thread. Need to reassess. Not gonna end up on Dom. Hard to review on mobile

Eh. Voting Dom.

S~V~S wrote: And Speed, before G man said that Llama switched the vote to you I thought that maybe the two of you had BTSC since you paralleled him pretty closely. Why did you do that?

I thought it might cause some D1 tomfoolery. Unfortunately, it got covered up be the forced tie.

I selected Llama because he was the first one to get on someone else's vote. I defended him because I didn't want him to die for what I basically egged on.

As a note: My brother is getting married today. I will be gone for the next 12ish hours probably.

Golden wrote:

G-Man wrote:Fun stuff. Didn't see that one coming.

Linki: Llama moved his vote to speedchuck with about 30 seconds left. I caught it on a refresh and countered it by switching my vote to DFaraday, thereby preserving the tie between Llama and speed chuck.

Double linki: tough break mate.

Host note: llama was also not in the pool of possible death before that vote switch. I had randomised who was dying already and had to do it again. I'll tell you who it would have been post-game

THAT'S WHAT YOU GET FOR BETRAYING ME, LLAMA

I HAD YOUR BACK AND YOU KNIFED MINE

wat

Quin wrote:

G-Man wrote:

Quin wrote:

speedchuck wrote:

Quin wrote:Looked at DF's posts just now. That wagon isn't cool. The llama one is though.

Tell me why DFaraday is a bad dude in 30 words or less.

Fewer.

You heard the man.
Fewer.

Llama said that llama was town. Did DF say that? Don't think so.

Quin wrote:Looked at DF's posts just now. That wagon isn't cool. The llama one is though.

Quin wrote:hey what's up

Eyy!

Bunch of random wagons. Recommending Dfaraday.

Could we please not vote Llama?

For the record, it's good to agitate people D1 IMO. Easier for everyone to get reads if some people are agitated.

Especially if the game is being overtaken by RP. (Not that RP is bad, but exclusive RP without scumhunting is not gonna win)

S~V~S wrote:

speedchuck wrote:Those who have their vote placed on me:

Is it because you don't like what my actions have been? Or because you think they come from a scummy place. Do explain.

Personally, I think Llama looks scummier than you. He was the first to put a second vote on someone for a silly reason. I can't imagine someone being bad and piling a third silly vote on someone. That is why I voted for him, not you. But I have seen very bold baddies do very bold things to fall back on the wifom.

Are you a bold baddie?

Do you honestly think Sorsha is bad? If not do you plan to move your vote?

Am I a bold baddie? I could give you my metaread here, but it'd sound bad coming from me.

I suspect Sorsha more than Llama, and thus am unable to move my vote ATM.

Hm.

Vote Dfaraday

Those who have their vote placed on me:

Is it because you don't like what my actions have been? Or because you think they come from a scummy place. Do explain.

nutella wrote:Gman, might you think the same of Sun and Jin? It was the case in season 1 (Sun was an impostor and Jin was civ). I know Jin is civ this time too (repeat role draw woohoo!) but the question is whether Golden would repeat an impostor.

I doubt it. That would be too much correlation.

Quin wrote:mfw your completely bullshit vote becomes the leading wagon

voting speedchuck

#ties

I was hoping my vote on SVS would do that, but alas. You picked the winning horse.

I'm Sun Kwon. None of my posts have anything to do with that, I don't think.