The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:33 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:27 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:22 pm I think we need to be careful about splitting votes in case Angelus is the last vamp.

Very true.

But with 2 votes, it does not matter.

What do you mean?

There are only 2 votes on the board. Spread or no spread, doesn't matter if we only have two votes. I'm inviting you to get in here.

[mention]S~V~S[/mention], you seem to be POE-ing. You've got me, Tranq, and yourself picked out as certain roles.

Oz exists. Who would your pick for Oz be? (don't answer this out loud necessarily. I just want you to make sure you have everything placed.)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:22 pm I think we need to be careful about splitting votes in case Angelus is the last vamp.

Very true.

But with 2 votes, it does not matter.

Okay, I see that.

...

Wanna lynch Sig?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:03 pm I do not think sig or Tranq is bad (especially with Lapluie dying and not ending the vamps).

How did you come to this conclusion? I POE'd right off to the opposite conclusion. (Vamp-wise, I mean. Glory could be anyone whatever.)

You seem awfully certain...

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:49 pm If you are so sure Mac and LoRab are not bad, and you made posts and stuff about it, who am I to correct you?

You don't have to agree with me. I just want you to address it. Why do you think that Mac/LoRab led the lynch on Illy, in the case that they are scum? (Individually, I mean.)

I'm rereading you. Think I've narrowed some things down. For one, if you're Glory, I will buy and eat a hat.
But secondly, I saw something that has me itching to move my vote.

Gimme a bit to think.

And yeah, Mac could totally be Glory.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:22 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:32 pm speedchuck
nutella
juliets
Kylemii
sig
Lapluie
MacDougall
novaselinenever
S~V~S
Ambray
Tranq
LoRab
Illyria

In rough order. My townreads, the top half of the list, are more certain than my scumreads.

Sorry sir but you made me the wrong colour.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:24 pmBlue

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:47 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:41 pm Yo Mac. Who should we lynch?

linkis: I'll engage you real quick, LoRab. Hold on.

Let's lynch illyria. I smell scum.

You wanna play, SVS? Let's freaking play then. It's not my job to refrain from annoying you. I'm working off of the Illy lynch as best I can. To use your blunt, crass terminology, I'm working full-assed for the first time this game.

Gimme a case, or do something with the above.

linki: Did you read any of my posts as to why I don't suspect Lorab or Mac?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:00 pm I think that's something to shelve for the time, with Lap being dead I think the last mafia member is either SVS or lorab, I'm leaning away from Lorab since she was more active on the Illy push.

If Lorab was scum then Illy was a hella bus outta nowhere

Wow ISOing is not helping. Whoever the (hopefully) last scum is, they have played an excellent game. I'm voting SVS for now, citing how she handled the Illy lynch as reason.

BRB, gonna tunnel SVS and convince myself that she's bad.

I mean, uh, ISO her.

I reread Sig. I'm willing to believe that he's not a vampire. His Illy-lynch analysis is spot on, and I see genuine hunting.

I'm also completely willing to believe that he is Glory. I may be tunneling and convincing myself of this. Hear me out.

Glory can only be nightkilled by Buffy, every other night. Buffy is a prime target, and of last night, still alive. Unless Lapluie was Buffy. Glory should be looking for Buffy, and if Buffy has lived this long, this suggests that perhaps Glory isn't hunting that hard for Buffy.

Instead, Glory may be taking a different tactic: Look as town as you can, help town so that they won't seek you or lynch you. Sig was the only one suspecting Juliets on N3, and Juliets got killed by Glory that night. Sig has given a great town effort this game.

I am tinfoiling Sig as Glory really, really hard right now.

And SVS as the last scum, as Sig's Illy analysis and my Illy analysis pointed to.

We need thoughts (and votes) in here. The game is almost at MYLO.

Last vampire is Sig, SVS, or Tranq.

Glory is probably not LoRab.

Someone who knows the lore, tell me what conditions could have caused Oz-mageddon

Dammit now what

Looking at the Illy lynch, from pages 17-19 I think, I came to the following conclusions:

Vampires:

Macdougall is not a vamp. He suggested lynching Illy first, and pushed it. He's been pushing lots of things, inviting all sorts of nightkills by his manner and hintclaims.

LoRab is not a vamp. She gave the first reasons to lynch Illy. Neither her nor Mac wavered, and the lynch may not have happened without them.

SVS could be a vamp, with how reluctant her Illy vote was, but I don't think so. I think that was a player thing, hoping that we could at least hear a defense from a participating player.

Sig gains a few points for his one post being "if Illy is not scum, lynch so and so." Sounded like a genuine consideration of a train he wasn't here for. Could be faked I guess.

Tranq could be a vamp, but it is unlikely. He mostly focused on a counter wagon in case Illy was the scum that deflects votes. On the one hand, if we all vote for the scum, it doesn't matter if other votes are displaced. On the other hand, Tranq never campaigned for Illy voters to drop and move to Nova. He never tried to usurp that lynch, and since Illy was Druscilla, scum knew a counter wagon that doesn't surpass the Illy wagon would not help. I'm iffy on this, but I see town motive easier than scum.

Lapluie just didn't do anything at all. No participation.

I'm voting for Lapluie for last vampire. If Lap is Angelus, then I'm hoping we can unify here.

linki: WTF

Hrrng. I'm out of townfirms.

Time to review.

Oh wow.

Nova right now:

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:37 am ok, not a vamp but a decent result... although I guess she probably saved speed so maybe wasn't totally anti-town

Not what happened AFAIK

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:05 pm I reread sig and feel really good about him. He could be indie I guess but I'm pretty confident he's not vamp.

That's how I've felt for a while

Ambray wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:33 pm Ambray's non-defense of Ambray. What does that even mean?

Of Illy*

blah.

Illy's lynch. You commented on it and then ran away without placing stake in either side

That's 4 votes in out of 10

Don't make me @ the entire livelist

Hm.

I agree with Mac that Ambray has a good chance of coalignment with Illy. The way that Ambray's non-defense of Ambray while the train was picking up, it seemed like she was trying to avoid getting caught up in things either way as much as possible.

Between Tranq and Nova, I'm more inclined to trust Tranq at the moment. Nova hasn't pinged me directly, but I can see the reasons for him to be suspected. Aside from the No U bit. Nova voted first.

I'm going to put a vote on Ambray for now. Best I can do, since I don't mafia much on the weekend.

I'll be checking back in.

I'll be around a little later today. I've been hobbying all morning with friends. :P

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:15 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:54 pmIt's not like I'm ready to lynch you or anything, baka.

wow!!!!! i can't believe speedchuck actually said this

BAKA

lapluie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:45 pm @speedchuck what happened to the trust?

POE

Everyone hates that answer, but it's true. I'm not ready to lynch you or anything. I'd have to go back and look at stuff.

speedchuck
juliets
Kylemii
nutella
MacDougall
S~V~S
Tranq
LoRab
sig
novaselinenever
Lapluie
Ambray


2 scum somewhere in this mess. I recommend looking at interactions with Illy, obviously. But I have another mafia game in more dire straights than this, so I'll leave it to you fellows for now.

I would bet, right now, that we have killed two scum. And I am happy about that.

I like this lynch. I'm going to focus on other things tonight. Other games. My wife. Things.

Will check in though. GL.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:15 pm I was one of your top civ reads before I suspected you, is that how you roll?

I have had a lot of trouble reading you this game. If I graphed you on a timescale, it would look like a magnitude 6 earthquake.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:12 pm After reading her (Illy) I'll say one thing, she does seem blendy which Mac brought up.

Speed it would also be helpful to know a little more detail of what you're seeing.

I don't find her responses to being late for the vote, or especially to the nightkills, as genuine in tone. She goes after lurkers. She shies off of the case on me, even when agreeing with it. She is the only person who interacted with Wilgy in anything close to confrontation before Glory killed him (this one is a stretch, I know).

There are other tiny things that ping me with her interactions. She's compatible scummates with quite a few people IMO, including some suspects that have died to town/indy roles, and she's also not a bad choice for SK. She talking about the bad guy poll, specifically about the glory option, but never voted there. Lots of tiny, tiny things, you know? And nothing reassuring to counteract them.

She's only made 16 posts, but there's a lot of interesting stuff there.

Ambray wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:51 pm I feel like the way mafia is played has changed a bit in terms of how suspicions are raised - leaving me a bit confused!

Naw, we're just lazier because of all the other games we're in.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:19 pm Nutella doing the same him. She did the same last phase too. Those two are most likely scum buddies.

I am in a super-trust-nutella mood in this game. Such trust. Much town.
But you could possibly be right about Tranq.

I don't want to lynch either of you today. Why don't we just put a lead on Illy that is SO HUGE AND OBNOXIOUS that even her being the scum thing can't stop it?

DANGIT stop linki-ing

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:14 pm When I click on seeing the results, I can't vote anymore.

All you have to do is refresh it after clicking 'see results'.

linki: But HazelNutelLA, we need you for the illynch

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:14 pm Nova back to scum chat to get some advice...

This is mean not-scum Mac.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:09 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:08 pm How come? And would you be willing to change your vote to yourself?

Why would I vote to myself ?

Tranq u so funny.

How about Illyria, Nova?

linki: man we feel like a horde of orcs cornering a poor adventurer

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:55 pm Illyria sounds good. With a couple of votes on novaselinenever in case she's Angelus?

This is actually a pretty good idea.

Since you suggested it, I won't turn it around and ask that the couple of extra votes be placed on you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:03 pm

speedchuck wrote: I don't know why you think my posts are weird.

In fairness people generally don't see the world the way I do. #emo

[mention]MacDougall[/mention]

I have a post explaining how I feel about Lorab. Read it. It should make sense.

And yes, Civvies have nobody to vouch for them, usually. That's why I am usually wary when someone gets lynched without any defense or noticeable bussing. In this game, with such small scum teams, I'm saying that it isn't an issue. You seem to be agreeing with me?

I don't know why you think my posts are weird.

(I mean, 4 people scumreading her. Still only 2 votes.)

Illy is gaining steam fast, but so far I trust all the people on it for one reason or another. Plus, if she's Glory, she has zero teammates to object, and if she's vamp, only 1 or 2.

I'm still all in, iz wat I sayin

[mention]LoRab[/mention], I had you as like a top townread except for the role fishing, which wouldn't even be as bad if you hadn't denied it. But for today, I'm willing to chalk that up to "different backgrounds" (My background is closed setups with lots of role crap, and role fishing [in other words trying to get someone to talk directly about their role or what their role is not] was considered bad bad bad) because we share a common top scumread. Let's talk about that.

You read Illyria as scum for meta, gut, and a few posts. I've been reading her as scum because of tone and interactions, having never played a game with her before.

We arrived at the same conclusion for different, but complementary reasons. And I find that to be a good reason to vote.

Yo Mac. Who should we lynch?

linkis: I'll engage you real quick, LoRab. Hold on.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:24 pmBlue

Okay.

Next time I make a list, I'll fix it. Not making an entire readlist just to change yours.

If you want to, you can quote it and change it for me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:22 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:32 pm speedchuck
nutella
juliets
Kylemii
sig
Lapluie
MacDougall
novaselinenever
S~V~S
Ambray
Tranq
LoRab
Illyria

In rough order. My townreads, the top half of the list, are more certain than my scumreads.

Sorry sir but you made me the wrong colour.

Which one should I have made you?

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:50 pm What makes you put juliets over someone like Kylemii? I have no read on juliets, i rarely do. Feels like she always plays the same game to me.

Juliets and Kylemii are actually on the exact same level on my list. I trust them equally.

linki: I have had enough of dogs thanks

speedchuck
nutella
juliets
Kylemii
sig
Lapluie
MacDougall
novaselinenever
S~V~S
Ambray
Tranq
LoRab
Illyria

In rough order. My townreads, the top half of the list, are more certain than my scumreads.

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:52 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:46 pm Gash, the role fishing in this game is amazing. Like the Bassmaster tournament in here.

Quite the opposite, really. I don't think Kyle would break the rules, so I don't think he is role claiming. Also, I think he's mistaken about you, so there's that.

That isn't how claiming works. So yes, you are role fishing, and breaking the spirit of the rules worse than what you accuse kylemii of, as well as doing a scummish thing

Me no lik

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:18 pm Oh phew only one person lynched and he wasn't civ. About the best result I could have asked for, unless speed was bad but I think the post implies otherwide though I'm not really sure? Anyway he was saved somehow. (Btw everyone, remember that speed was in the lead because of the penalty vote, the tie was just between DF and me for second place and I was the lucky winner.)

Speed my scum reads depend on whether I think you are civ. Like I'd say you, Kyle, and maybe even sig otherwise, but they are civ if you are. I guess my alternates could be... hmm... Nova, Ambray, and uuuhhhhh gosh idk maybe rabbit but those all feel like extremely vague reads

I ISOd them. Nova left me feeling alright. Ambray a little less so.

Gash, the role fishing in this game is amazing. Like the Bassmaster tournament in here.