The Syndicate

[votye]Eloh

Dunya/Eloh

One of them needs to go tomorrow

Well that clears up JJJ for me a bit.

Eloh/Dunya I'm still feeling it

Maybe neverwhere

Sorry Epi I was going to switch back

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 7:48 pm Too late. Let's hope speed's thing worked.

It did not.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 7:47 pm Something shady about the whole lie detector thing, Jay knowing it, speed thinking it's role cop.

I'm an idiot

More worried about Jay knowing it

Deleted post huh

[unvote]

Maybe I should vote the host option and see if I get modkilled

We can't unvote

RIP

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 7:43 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 7:41 pm lol Long Con voted

Now Luna won't get her role
You mean because LC voted for her or just the fact that he voted?

the latter

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 7:43 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 7:41 pm lol Long Con voted

Now Luna won't get her role
How do you know how many votes she predicted???

she said n i n e

lol Long Con voted

Now Luna won't get her role

I'm sick

Lynch Eloh > DLL?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:58 pm quick everyone! let's hot potato jay while he's gone for the night.

That would be legendary.

But no.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:54 pm maybe in his head he translated the lie detector to mean it can be used to cop a role claim

False memories are definitely a thing. It is possible that I somehow read the investigative 'lie detect' and thought 'Oh, there's a non-standard investigation role.'

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:55 pm kinda like how "lie detector" appeared in your dreams, only "role cop" appeared in his.

But JJJ wasn't in BTSC with Luna

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

Theory: I'm not literally insane. Luna did give me a fake role claim. She didn't pursue contradicting me and foisting suspicion my way over it because that didn't work with the 'suspicious votes' thing earlier today.

And If JJJ scumslipped, Luna is scum with him.
If Scum is protecting Eloh, Luna is probably scum with her.
The only suspicion I've been entertaining today that doesn't include Luna is dunya.

DDL and Neverwhere are kinda blank spaces right now.

Neverwhere hasn't posted since Night 3.

We might not have as many days to figure this out.

Dragon D. Luffy
dunya
JaggedJimmyJay
juliets
Kites
Lunalee
speedchuck

Elochin
Long Con
Neverwhere
Spacedaisy

Have these latter four players even been active today? Just curious. This isn't suspicion-related, but it ain't good.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:31 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:30 pm Unless JJJ just slipped somehow, I feel like either Luna/Dunya/both are scum with Eloh
Why is Elohcin the common thread?

Because they both keep defending her and I cannot fathom why.

Even dunya's above post looks like something I'd scumread Eloh for.

Unless JJJ just slipped somehow, I feel like either Luna/Dunya/both are scum with Eloh

That vote is sure to cause agitation.

JJJ I need to know where you got the lie detector from once you confirm whatever with Epi

[VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:13 pm i understand now why lunalee found speedchuck's no-votes suspicious. she probably accounted for them in her prediction and he messed that up by not voting. twice.

She didn't find the no-votes suspicious. According to her. As I've said.

She also no-voted D2, by the way, and if both of our votes were in, she would have had her role. According to what she told me, anyway.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:10 pm ahh wait. now i understand what juliets meant about numbers and her concerns.

Yeah.

We thought the rolecop was odd, but I think a town silencer is odder.

And, let's face it, if Luna is truthful she probably hasn't been able to use her role yet. Not that strong, balance-wise.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:08 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:06 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:05 pm I'm pretty sure I can't go back and check.
Please do.
Let me rephrase that.

I am completely sure I can't go back and check
...why? you're not allowed back in there after the phase is over?

Same chatzy room, wiped after each night.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:06 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:05 pm I'm pretty sure I can't go back and check.
Please do.

Let me rephrase that.

I am completely sure I can't go back and check

Lie Detector is more town that a rolecop

But... like... what

I'm pretty sure I can't go back and check.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:01 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:00 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 2:59 pm I think I might know what happened there. I will ask Epi though before I blurt.
I will wait for the blurt or lack of blurt before I say anything because me and Juliets are probably both right now
That wasn't what she claimed in BTSC?

Either she lied, misspoke, or I'm dealing with false memory

Could have sworn she said rolecop

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 2:59 pm I think I might know what happened there. I will ask Epi though before I blurt.

I will wait for the blurt or lack of blurt before I say anything because me and Juliets are probably both

right now

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 2:58 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 2:56 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 2:51 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 2:48 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 2:24 pm Luna's role has "lynch" in it.

Okay.
predict lynch
Wait, that sounds familiar. Have I seen this before? Am I not insane?

If you predict the lynch, you:

1) earn a prize
2) don't earn a prize, but get something else out of it
3) you don't predict the lynch, but you do something similar

Smileys please
lie detection
how the hell did jay know that before juliets and speed?

what the hell

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 2:56 pm predict number nine?

you predict the ninth person to vote?

Predict the number of people that voted in the lynch

This is painful. Luna, how much can I say about what you said?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 2:06 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 2:02 pm Luna/Eloh/Dunya

???

Quin?

Luna/Eloh/Dunya

???

What if Dunya and Eloh both visited the kill target one night?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 11:38 am why is lunalee a civilian? can you give me a couple of reasons, speedchuck

I have none.

If Luna wants me to spill her roleclaim, this would all make a heckton more sense.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 11:26 am i'm confused about the whole luna x speed thing because of the angle speed brought in. this "agreement" you and her had made excluded day 5? why didn't luna talk about it during night 5?

It only applied to the day immediately after chat. Impossible to plan much further than that.

I guess that technically means I have less excuse for my D4 missed vote, but whatever.

I wouldn't say it goes as far as being an ability result.

Luna specifically said she's suspecting me for votes on D1 and D5. (This may or may not be backpedaling.) Those votes have nothing to do with the bargain we struck, and thus, nothing to do with role stuff.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 11:14 am FOlks we ve the equivalent of an ability result.We should be discussing all the ramifications of it.

???

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 11:00 am If just speed is mafia this is just opportunism. He saw Luna cursed and tried to get her lynched.

This doesn't actually make sense. I didn't ask Luna to shade me over votes. People are asking her questions and cooperating to the point where she can tell us what she means.

So far, she's accused me over votes (while still voting for JJJ I think) and clarified that it's my actual votes that look bad, not the missed votes.

Luna is now judging me for voting Neverwhere D1 and for the day 5 vote.

Luna and I voted for the same person day five.

So I guess it's just the D1 vote.

80% or more...

hrm.

speedchuck
juliets
Long Con
Spacedaisy
Kites

JaggedJimmyJay
dunya

Neverwhere
Dragon D. Luffy
Elochin
Lunalee

My POE/readthing. JJJ and Dunya are both capable of being scum. I've seen JJJ play on emotions before to win a match, so even as I want to believe that he wouldn't be a dick about the fake flip, I can't rule it out entirely. Dunya has no such clause, but looks mostly towny. I just can't rule her out at all.

Is there a reason to kick Neverwhere out of the POE?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:31 am
juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:29 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:20 am The mafia utility of a lie detector is of course limited. It isn't non-existent though, as it can help them to distinguish fake civilian role/action claims and build their game theory. Obviously a silencer like leetic is just about worthless as a civilian role anyway, so the setup does not care about these things.

I would lynch her. I'm not impressed by a vote on me based on my own voting record.

Jay who is "her"? And why are you talking about a lie detector. I feel like I missed something.
Luna. I had thought she had said something today about lie detection (within her curse), but now I don't see it.

Have I finally gone insane?

'S not what she claimed privately.

Luna is bad.

We planned in BTSC not to vote till the last second for reasons related to her role. That's why I missed voting earlier, and why she likely did too. Now she's shading me based on that?

Bad.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 9:45 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 8:50 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 4:26 am Lunalee Do you have gripes about speed? Or are you just saying his votes look bad?

@speedchuck can you speak to why you didn't vote on days 1,3, and 4 (I think those are the days)? I'm assuming thats what Luna means by your votes looking bad. If you already shared this and I've forgotten just point me back to your post.

I'm pretty sure I voted D1.

3 and 4 both fell on the weekend, which isn't a good excuse or anything. I just got busy and didn't check in in time.

Juliets and I could straight-up tell you the role, and she could confirm it with the curse

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 10:03 pm
Kites wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 7:58 pm updated version. fixed mistakes pointed out last time
Spoiler: show
*didn’t use vote tags but mentioned who to vote (timeline placement might be slightly inaccurate)
**didn’t use vote tags and didn’t mention who to vote (timeline placement likely very inaccurate/can’t be determined)

Day 1 votes
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Kites - dunya
Lunalee - nutella
MacDougall - JaggedJimmyJay
nutella - MacDougall**
Lunalee - JaggedJimmyJay
nutella - Dragon D. Luffy
speedchuck - novaselinenever
nutella - Elohcin*
spacedaisy - Jackofhearts2005
JaggedJimmyJay - dunya
speedchuck - JaggedJimmyJay
MacDougall - dunya
JaggedJimmyJay - speedchuck
nutella - JaggedJimmyJay
Kites - Lunalee
juliets - Jackofhearts2005
Lunalee - JaggedJimmyJay
nutella - novaselinenever
MacDougall - JaggedJimmyJay
MacDougall - nutella
juliets - Spacedaisy
Neverwhere - JaggedJimmyJay
juliets - nutella
juliets roleclaims stump
MacDougall - Long Con
MacDougall - nutella
MacDougall - JaggedJimmyJay
MacDougall - juliets*
MacDougall - Spacedaisy
MacDougall - Matahari*
Neverwhere - JaggedJimmyJay
Neverwhere - Jackofhearts2005
MacDougall - Kites
MacDougall - Lunalee
nutella - nijuukyugou
Neverwhere - speedchuck

Final votes
MacDougall - dunya, Long Con, nutella, Spacedaisy, juliets, Matahari, Kites, Lunalee

Neverwhere - JaggedJimmyJay, Jackofhearts2005, speedchuck

nutella - MacDougall, Dragon D. Luffy, Elohcin, novaselinenever, nijuukyugou

no vote - leetic, reywas, Neverwhere

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Day 3 votes
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nijuukyugou - JaggedJimmyJay
Leetic - novaselinenever
Jackofhearts2005 - Long Con
Jackofhearts2005 - juliets*
Jackofhearts2005 - Kites
novaselinenever - dunya
Long Con - Jackofhearts2005
Jackofhearts2005 - Dragon D. Luffy
Jackofhearts2005 - Matahari*
Jackofhearts2005 - Spacedaisy*
Jackofhearts2005 - Elohcin*
Jackofhearts2005 - JaggedJimmyJay*
Jackofhearts2005 - Leetic** (no idea when)
Jackofhearts2005 - nijuukyugou** (no posts on day 3)
Final votes
Jackofhearts2005 - Long Con, juliets*, Kites, Dragon D. Luffy, Matahari*, Spacedaisy*, Elohcin*, JaggedJimmyJay*, leetic**, nijuukyugou**

leetic - novaselinenever

novaselinenever - dunya

no vote - reywas, Neverwhere, speedchuck

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Day 4 votes
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Leetic - dunya
Leetic - Lunalee
Lunalee - novaselinenever*
nijuukyugou - Leetic
Lunalee - Elohcin*
nijuukyugou - JaggedJimmyJay
Lunalee - Kites
nijuukyugou - juliets
nijuukyugou - Matahari
nijuukyugou - Dragon D. Luffy
nijuukyugou - Long Con**
nijuukyugou - Spacedaisy**
Final votes

nijuukyugou - Leetic, JaggedJimmyJay, juliets, Matahari, Dragon D. Luffy, Long Con**, Spacedaisy**

Leetic - dunya, Lunalee, novaselinenever

Lunalee - Elohcin*, Kites

no vote - speedchuck, nijuukyugou, Neverwhere

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Day 5 votes
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Lunalee - JaggedJimmyJay
Lunalee - dunya
Lunalee - Elohcin*
Leetic - speedchuck**
Leetic - JaggedJimmyJay
JaggedJimmyJay - Long Con
Leetic - juliets
dunya - Matahari
Leetic - Lunalee
dunya - Dragon D. Luffy
Leetic - Long Con
Elohcin - Kites
Dragon D. Luffy - Spacedaisy
Final votes

Leetic - speedchuck**, JaggedJimmyJay, juliets, Lunalee, Long Con

Lunalee - dunya, Elohcin

dunya - Matahari, Dragon D. Luffy

Elohcin - Kites

Dragon D. Luffy - Spacedaisy

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

For the record, I've never seen Luna flat-out ignore a mafia game like with this one.

She probably needs to go.

I could see her as unmotivated with either alignment, technically, but there's not much else to do here.

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