The Syndicate

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 9:04 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 9:01 pm Think this is the first game I’ve played in a while where my immediate thought wasnt “i hate mafia why do i even play this game anymore”
Why would you even think that?

Sometimes the people/forum make it not fun

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 11:01 pm Y'all are raising good points about the composition of an ideal civilian. I have a five-pronged image now:

1) Make good reads / have good instincts (the dunyas and Macs)

2) Pursue those reads in such a manner that others will be compelled to follow (the Jays and Goldens)

3) Avoid the noose (the Epis)

4) Promote a thread climate conducive to effective hunting (the Slooneis and MPs)

5) Know when to play the role of the follower (numerous)

I don't do any of that.

Sometimes #4, maybe. I'm the 'voice of reason' at times.

All of the new players were excellent, and I enjoyed playing with them.

Way back when I went on a mafia win streak where I basically refused to defend myself. That tends to work better. Just ignoring the temptation to talk about myself.

I didn't do that this game, but man you guys made me want to.

I never bus my teammates D1 unless they're self-destructing.

Ultra was the only case and only vote I made. That makes me good. I don't care if the credit looks not good enough for some people. Me having to defend myself this game was ridiculous.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 10:35 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 10:33 pm Trying to suspect Jay or Nutella was legitimately annoying. I did not enjoy it.

Sorry man, I really gave you a hard time this game and I actually feel kinda bad about it.

It's okay.

I'd rather you be scum and do this than pull another Firefly.

Looking at scumchat.

Wish you guys had just killed me. :P

Trying to suspect Jay or Nutella was legitimately annoying. I did not enjoy it.

I was 100% certain of Jay and Nutella when I came back at the last second.

Still wouldn't have gotten Mac.

Better luck next time. Thanks for lynching me while I wasn't here. Cowards. Take then down please.

[VOTE: RDW] aubergine

Even in my scariest deepwolf nightmare, RDW is a probable scumlynch.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 5:13 pm Seems like we are defaulting to lynching the low activity guy and the recently replaced.

I say set it all on fire and take over the Bastille.

And yet RDW has no votes

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 5:09 pm My RDW read was bad.

I was about to ask about that

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] Do you have more to go on regarding nutella? I can't hardly read her because she's tunnelled on me so hard this game, which she often does as town to much the same effect.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 4:59 pm Nutella
Speedchuck
RDW

Town
Fat Bastard
Scum

linkis putting me in wrong order sorry

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 4:49 pm Dragon D Luffy
JaggedJimmyJay

Town
Scum

I was vacumming

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 4:57 pm DrWilgy
MacDougall

Scum
Town

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 4:55 pm Dragomir
Owner of a Lonely Heart

Town
Town

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 4:39 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 3:23 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 2:41 pm
speedchuck had dropped a vote on Gemma on Day 3, and this was his explanation after my prod. The highlighted portion seems to be an important thing, but on a scan I did not see speedchuck drawing this connection previously. If this associative read existed, it was exclusively in his head. I don't care for this.

As it happens, speedchuck wants that scratched. He said he was thinking of someone else, and that the Gemma suspicion was separate. Okay. Who was it supposed to be, chuckaroo? Luxurious suggested Owner. Yeh? Neh?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:19 pmBut I don't read ISOs, not lately.

Mm.

Gemma was saying a lot of things without saying anything, and the bird comics only got me so far. Suspicion. Don't remember anything more than that.

Feel Owner is town right now. Owner has a very specific was of scumhunting, and I didn't see it at first, but I've caught glimpses of it now.
In any event, in absence of the Ultra connection this is what remained of speedchuck's suspcion of Gemma. It's where his vote remained.
this is the most fascinating part of your findings imo. could be an attempt to draw a seemingly nonexistent connection between a teammate and an easy mislynch target.

I'm also not impressed by his nonchalant joining of the d2 soneji wagon when he clearly suspected jack more, and saying he was also "okay with a dragomir lynch" is patently unnecessary.

I liked the bit about the d4 reads as well, as I've pointed out earlier his "top scumreads" were big ol' nothings and particularly dragomir was in your words his "top waffle" lol. I been sayin.
speedchuck since you needed some help

Ah, okay.

I don't conflate reads as scum. I don't lynch people over crap then say "aw, shucks, I was thinking of someone else". That's not my scumplay. Nor is it my townplay, really, but that's beside the point. I wasn't faking conflating two reads (Owner and Gemma) then hoping nobody would notice when my vote stayed put. That's ridiculous.

I assume that's what the accusation is.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 4:38 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 4:27 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 3:37 pm it's not merely the fact that you threw weak reads out in isolation though, it's with the context of which players they were and what your reasons were and your relation to dragomir over the course of the game. Believe me, I understand throwing out weak reads, but I think you're missing the point of why I found that post particularly suspicious.

Now address the new points
I see nothing there. You're throwing out buzzwords like "which players" and "your relation to dragomir" and I'm like... okay. So? What's scummy?
not that post omg. the one I originally posted quoting a part of Jay's post that was a new observation re: you/ultra/gemma. Please for the love of god stop just reading selectively and acknowledge what is actually being said about you

Some people have freaking lives, nutella. I've been responding to you for half the game, and I often skim posts as they get made. I responded to the post you sent me to just now. Don't get pissy with me.

I can do GTH

Gimme a time to start, I'm cleaning my house

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 4:14 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 3:30 pm I gave reasonable context for that post. Bringing it up repeatedly is pissing me off.
Please show me the reasonable context, or what you mean by that.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 10:27 am
nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 1:36 am Then today there's this post which I already called out for pinging me six ways to sunday

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 9:15 pm As someone who still hasn't read the whole game and doesn't intend to:

Dragomir - I see why people think he's scum, but it's like he's rolling in it. Could be some culture difference there. Still a moderate suspicion regardless.
Dragon D Luffy - scumread him early game for taking my bait, have cooled off since. Slightly lower than null
JaggedJimmyJay - haven't seen the scum ping yet, and Jay's been putting in work.
Luxurious - talks too much to be scum.
Macdougall - I have seen nothing to make me think Mac is town
nutella - seems like town nutella to me so far
Owner of a Lonely Heart - had a town ping, need to investigate it

M Plus 7 - ???
rundontwalk2 - I think I've seen people say he's posted some but [citation needed]
JessieKruger - ???

My highest suspicions without looking back are Drago, then Mac, then DDL. But that's all subject to change today, as the weekend is over and my other game is gone (and lost horribly).
Like... all of his scumreads are extremely weak. There's no heart in it. He tosses up a player list with some mostly hedgey statements, and the three names he calls his "highest suspicions" at the end barely sound like that at all. I don't believe he believes any of this.
Turns out when you leave a game for three days after your biggest scumreads all died off, you have weak reads. Saying I have weak scumreads when I ended my post with 'subject to change, I haven't read anything for crap' is taking my honesty and trying to turn it into fakeness and deception.

That.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 4:15 pm speedchuck, it'd be good to know who you were referring to when you connected Gemma to Ultra but said you'd had someone else in mind instead.

Owner.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:53 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:14 pm I dig your Ultra stuff, Speed. I can see a baddie Ultra using me as a compass to navigate through early game. His prod for reads kind of felt iffy to me, like I was getting a vibe that he actually cared what those were lol.
Not sure if I care for this post too much.

If Nova is bad, Ultra would not be with him.

lf Nova is good, that doesn't necessarily confirm or deny Ultra's alignment.

This post weirded me out at the time. I never did much with it.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 3:37 pm it's not merely the fact that you threw weak reads out in isolation though, it's with the context of which players they were and what your reasons were and your relation to dragomir over the course of the game. Believe me, I understand throwing out weak reads, but I think you're missing the point of why I found that post particularly suspicious.

Now address the new points

I see nothing there. You're throwing out buzzwords like "which players" and "your relation to dragomir" and I'm like... okay. So? What's scummy?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 3:37 pm Now address the new points

... new points? You can ask me questions if you found something confusing, but I'm not going to hit that giant iso and start a bunch of disputes

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 3:23 pm I liked the bit about the d4 reads as well, as I've pointed out earlier his "top scumreads" were big ol' nothings and particularly dragomir was in your words his "top waffle" lol. I been sayin.

I gave reasonable context for that post. Bringing it up repeatedly is pissing me off.

It's like I'm not allowed to be transparent and throw thoughts in the thread before running off and catching up on my read, because the thoughts aren't strong enough. That's crap.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 3:00 pm Speed is saying a lot of reasonable things lately I guess. But the way he chooses his votes and cases still feels weird.

I liked the post about easy mode and hard mode, I think a civ would be more motivated to try to shake things up than a baddie. But then he went and made no vote to follow that up. If we are stuck in easy mode he isn't making much effort to help us leave it. He's voting Wilgy the Replacement which isn't very impressive.

It was meant to open up discussion. Not for me to say "We're in hard mode boys" and then throw a vote on nutella and be like "I solved it because I am so good I can beat hard mode."

Makes sense for drago to protect a relative townfirm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 12:10 pm
rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 12:29 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 11:57 pm
rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 11:22 pm Dragonmir targeted dragon d luffy last night
What do you think of the things?
Makes dragon seem not as scummy. Dragon didn't die. Depends on what Dragon says though.
Unless this is somehow meant to convey suspicion

He clarified that he was talking about dragomir.
So no, does not clear much up.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 12:17 am speedchuck, why no vote?

No particular reason. Here's one.

RDW is voting DDL

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 9:29 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 9:27 pm Which one is the better light on me?

I think I know which one it is and I don't think it's the one I want it to be.

I interpreted it as the former.
The latter, and it's the interpretation I've had for much of the game. If Ultra thinks I have TMI on speedchuck, then he has TMI on speedchuck.

Oh.

I thought I looked good because of MY actions. How silly of me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 9:26 pm Much of my ability to interpret Ultra and speedchuck in Day 1 is hung up in whatever the hell chainsaw defense really means. The difference between Ultra giving me shit for chainsaw defending "my mafia teammate" and Ultra giving me shit for chainsaw defending "a civilian that I have TMI on" is a big difference.

A premier concern for me now is that Ultra seemed to be on both sides of that equation simultaneously.

Which one is the better light on me?

I think I know which one it is and I don't think it's the one I want it to be.

I interpreted it as the former.

Like, yeah. I did the same thing to you. DDL might have triggered it, but it was the same stuff.

Same with you viewing me after a trigger from Owner.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 9:19 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 9:15 pm linki: Then I guess I don't really get it. Actions seem towny or they don't. If the context doesn't change, then how does an interpretation completely flip it?
Re-interpretation doesn't change context, it changes reads. In your suspicion of me, you're forced to assess the entire body of the game to generate the stance that you have. I don't give a crap what you think of my response to your suspicion -- your suspicion preceded it (indeed, the semantics of that sentence are self-evident ). Is it even possible for you to develop a changed read on me without re-interpreting content which you had previously liked?

damn

When did Wilgy vote JJJ?

For the record, I'm having trouble accepting that the suspicion of me from you (JJJ) is genuine, partly because of the flip and partly because I feel like I've played one of my townier games. I think you feel the same way toward me, so we have that in common at least.

linki: Then I guess I don't really get it. Actions seem towny or they don't. If the context doesn't change, then how does an interpretation completely flip it?
linkilinki: Maybe that's too metacontextual, yeah. Talk about whatever.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 9:07 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 9:04 pm Bull.

I'm not asking you to 'let me slide' on it. I'm asking for you not to flip your opinion on the SAME EXACT posts. I don't generally see someone put up some posts and say "yeah this looks town" and then use the SAME posts to say "this is why he looks bad."

Sure, later content can invalidate those posts, but the case on me that Owner started up today and that put the spotlight on me isn't about D1 actions that aren't enough to make me townread through D5. It's about the SAME D1 posts being used to read me completely differently.
I did the exact same thing with dunya in Steely Dan. She was in my town pile for a while post-Mac lynch, and eventually it became late enough that I could no longer rest on that -- I reassessed her entirely within that mega-ISO (including the same Mac-related stuff) and came upon some alternative interpretations. I should have pushed them harder then.

The fact is, my initial reads on your interactions with Ultra were a point of some contest -- various other people felt differently. If I don't make my best effort to see that perspective right now in Day 5, then I am asking to lose the game.

If it's interpretable both ways, it's not much to go on. You said Mega-ISO there. Is there anything that's been added to my ISO that changes the context of those Ultra interactions?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 8:12 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 6:35 pmJJJ practically NO U'd me when I suspected him, or at least it seemed that way at the time. Suddenly the whole game turned on me. It was weird, especially with his pivot on my relation to Ultra.
The game is different now. I cannot justify letting you slide on the same things that I had been comfortable with on Day 2.

Bull.

I'm not asking you to 'let me slide' on it. I'm asking for you not to flip your opinion on the SAME EXACT posts. I don't generally see someone put up some posts and say "yeah this looks town" and then use the SAME posts to say "this is why he looks bad."

Sure, later content can invalidate those posts, but the case on me that Owner started up today and that put the spotlight on me isn't about D1 actions that aren't enough to make me townread through D5. It's about the SAME D1 posts being used to read me completely differently.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 9:00 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 8:50 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 8:27 pm One reason I could see a mafia avoiding to kill Jay is simply because all civs become vanilla after Night 4.

Why kill Jay then when you can kill him later?
... explain?

Oh, because the protections will be gone.
How does this post even get written lol

Stream of consciousness, like most of my posts

I'm about to eat dinner, but otherwise am here to chat.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 8:27 pm One reason I could see a mafia avoiding to kill Jay is simply because all civs become vanilla after Night 4.

Why kill Jay then when you can kill him later?

... explain?

Oh, because the protections will be gone.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 8:29 pm Something tells me one of Jay/Speed is bad and figuring out which one is the key to winning this game.

It's not MYLO today.

If I get lynched today, kill the hell out of Jay tomorrow.

If he pretends my earlier posts was opportunistic, which is the route he's taking, then he's bad.

If Jay isn't scum, who are the deepwolves?

Here's the list of players:

Dragomir
Dragon D Luffy
JaggedJimmyJay
DrWilgy
Macdougall
Owner of a Lonely Heart
rundontwalk2
speedchuck
nutella

We have three scum left. Let's iterate the list according to my thought processes:

Bring out the relative townfirms:

Dragon D Luffy
Macdougall
speedchuck
Dragomir
JaggedJimmyJay
DrWilgy
Owner of a Lonely Heart
rundontwalk2
nutella

Three of those six are scum. Here are my options:

If I assume BOTH 'lurkers' (the former AFK MP and RDW), then that STILL leaves us with an active wolf.

Dragomir
JaggedJimmyJay
Owner of a Lonely Heart
nutella
DrWilgy
rundontwalk2

That's not even a good assumption, because that's what scum might want us to think, but it's an assumption some are dealing with. The easy thing to do would be to say that Drago, Wilgy, and RDW are our scum, end of story, yay we're done.

I don't buy it.

We've lynched two lurkers and a ??? (Gemma) since Ultra, and somehow avoided the two that are actually scum? Bull crap. Someone's funneling us the wrong way, or perhaps we have more than one deepwolf. With that in mind, let's look at the POE:

Dragomir
JaggedJimmyJay
Owner of a Lonely Heart
nutella
DrWilgy
rundontwalk2

Six people, three of them scum. Dragomir has the whole 'too scummy to be scum' thing going on, and maybe I should just say "it looks and smells like a wolf, must be a wolf" and vote him. Owner's scumhunting makes no sense to me, and that's a meta town read, but I've only played one game with her. Nutella is tunnelling me as only town nutella usually does. Jay is impossible for me to read as scum, according to a recent game I've played with him on another forum.
And then we have RDW who seems almost as scummy as JessieKreuger did, and Wilgy who has been a little mix of good and bad.

So why am I paranoid on JJJ instead of nutella or Owner?
Maybe because I'm stupid. But here goes:

JJJ produces better results as town. Sorry, but 'tis true. It's not fair, but it colors my perspective.
JJJ gets nightkilled earlier as town. No idea why Jack or Epi (whichever was the kill) got killed over him.
Early suspicions in this game on JJJ were about the lack of interactive reads. Jay dropped his pressure on the thread and did that. Then DDL suspected him for that. Might seem like JJJ can't win, but he might be pivoting to adapt a bit.
JJJ practically NO U'd me when I suspected him, or at least it seemed that way at the time. Suddenly the whole game turned on me. It was weird, especially with his pivot on my relation to Ultra.
JJJ doesn't give me the idea of someone with a small POE. I actually don't know what it is right now. JJJ is almost in MYLO right now and I have no idea what his SOLUTION of the game looks like.

None of this is really FAIR to Jay, and that's why I'm unsure and looking to work with others and figure this out. I'd love to accept Jay at face value like Mac did and say "Jay is doing Jay things." But I can't because I saw Jay do Jay things a month or two ago, and he got hit by a serial killer who thought he was town.

-

TL;DR It would be easy to say Drago, RDW, and Wilgy are the scum, and I'm terrified of the easy route because it's gotten us in a bad situation. When the game is going so badly, I look to the town leaders and see what the heck is going wrong.

Points against reading Jay as scum:-
I seem to be one of the only two that are even paranoid about him. There are better town players than me in this game.
-Ultra would have had to bus him based on interactions.

That second one is a big one.

Working on a post, gimme a bit.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 6:23 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 9:24 am JJJ has been my top town read pretty much all game, for much the same reason as Mac. And I am voting for him at the moment. I'm not going to explain why. Deal with it.
This.

You voted him despite him being your top town read, for reasons you did not explain. I wasn't sure if you were waiting for a reaction or something.

No and yes.

I voted for him saying he "HAS" been my top town read. That wasn't present tense.

But I was looking for a reaction. I'm always doing that.

That was Jay's analysis, [mention]DrWilgy[/mention] .

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:09 pm Ultra and speedchuck

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Ultra wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:47 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:09 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:08 pm Yeah okay.
We got one.
Agreed that this entrance was awkward, especially in hindisight with his no lynch proposition

But then you proceeded to shade like 3 other people so I'm going to ask you how serious you are about this slot.

Ultra called speedchuck's entry awkward and shaded the no lynch thing. Okay.

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Ultra wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:47 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:40 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:15 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:56 pm Hmm... we dont have any information to work on yet, so we should probably no lynch d1.
[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine
[VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergine
This reeks of chainsaw defense.

Ultra wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:09 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:02 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:58 pmPossibly, by you.
I don't need "possibly". What are you referring to?

Ultra wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:58 pmDefend someone by attacking their accuser.

Since you're here elaborate on that vote
I think DDL got snagged by a booby trap. No lynches are horrendous, and I thought it looked evident that speedchuck wasn't serious in his recommendation.
I think holding someone accountable for saying Day Zeros are less valuable is a bit pushy, especially considering they in fact are. Now, if someone was using "Wait, I said that D0, it doesn't count!" as a defense, or as a reason to dismiss a case, that is categorically scummy. But outside of that context, there's no apparent scum motive to stating the obvious, other than perhaps appearing blendy.

Reaction posts can also carry a scum motive, so this sounds like TMI on speedchuck

Like I suggested earlier, this looks to me like an ironic sort of TMI on speedchuck, by way of accusing me of having TMI on speedchuck. For him to be so fierce that I shouldn't "chainsaw defend" speedchuck implies that he knows speedchuck is a civilian. There are a number of other posts relating in some way back to this. I won't highlight them all.

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Ultra wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:23 pm As for the vote, speedchuck is obvscumming.

If he's playing suboptimal to try and garner reactions, well, it's only common courtesy to start a wagon so he gets them.

I don't know what this is.

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Ultra wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:33 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:07 pm
Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:03 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:00 pm [VOTE: Ultra] aubergine
did you forget that you were townreading that player
No. Because I'm not.

I have some town pings from them, but I mentioned something scummy as well. If it continues, their need to cling to and buddy Nova will easily outweigh any town cred they have.
Can you point out how I'm trying to buddy Nova

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:40 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:33 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:29 pm [VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

I don't know speedchuck or his meta or whatever but he town read and defended him far too soon. Also switched his vote to a player who isn't active instead of pursuing DDL
Do you believe that JJJ was defending a teammate, or that he knows I'm town because he's not?
Leaning towards the latter atm

Ultra posed a rather meek question in response to receiving a vote from speedchuck, and then answered his prod about his suspicion of me. Doesn't mean much to me.

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:10 am DDL's knee-jerk reaction didn't look great, as someone who knows me. Ultra doesn't look bad for the reaction, though he/she seems a little focused on Nova for some reason when I look at the ISO.
JJJ reacted exactly as expected.

I'll just let everyone know I'm not going to be as active as you crazy devils. I'm in another game and I wasn't a top poster in that one either.

speechuck assessed immediate reactions to his no lynch thing and was positive (or perhaps not negative) about Ultra. He tacked on an additional bit about nova though which became something he focused on later. No gripes. Follow-up prod | Continued as a suspicion -- this doesn't look to me like something a teammate drudges up on purpose since it is nuanced enough that nobody else is that likely to discover it.

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:00 pm [VOTE: Ultra] aubergine

5 hours prior to deadline

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:29 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:24 pm Do you have any scum reads outside of, like, DDL
Haven't read the whole game, probably not going to. Finger of suspicion right now is on:

Gemma
Owner
Ultra
Dragomir
DDL

speedchuck included Ultra in a list of five Day 1 suspects. He's already placed the vote, so his priority on that front is clear.

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Conclusion: I think speedchuck looks good here.

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