The Syndicate

Elohcin wrote:Chuck, I asked if you were talking to her this evening. That's what was getting to me. That she was talking to you and not me.

Ah. Mistook evening to mean 'this half phase'

Elohcin wrote: Right now, I have BTSC with Wilgy and Lorab. Lorab tried to be sneaky and ask me about Opt. I told her I really liked Opt. She seems great, trustworthy. Lorab said she thought she seemed great too and would try for BTSC with her next time. However, then she said later that she had BTSC with opt yesterday. Slip after an implied lie. She backpeddled a bit saying she wasn't trying to lie. She just didn't know if she wanted to share the info yet. SMH. And now, I find she is in BTSC this evening with chuck, but hasn't come back to talk to me. That's worrisome.

Just because she has BTSC doesn't mean she's said anything recently. I talked with her a good bit yesterday, but not much today, especially this afternoon.

Anywho, I might check back in in a little bit, but DST is screwing me over tonight

INH and Lorab

DrWilgy wrote:Hey SpeedChuck, where do you think you'll be voting tonight?

Honestly (and I mean this in the best way possible) I'm not sure.

It's funny, but in this situation, mob mentality and tribal unity is the same thing. And I'm not around as much on the weekend, so I'm just keeping up enough to assist in unifying the vote. This night, at the least.

Would definitely like to hear more about BTSC liars. Everything I've said in chat has been true.

As of this morning, I was at 8/10 hunger, and I am not poisoned.

There are probably better targets for fish?

Aaaand that's what happens when over 60 percent of the tribe is sick and we rely on dice rolls.

I'm BTSCing with LoRab and INH, as far as I know.

I think someone should check the footbridge.

Jeff, My fighting actions:
High, Block, Low, Block, Block, High, Block, Low
(Balance 1)

DharmaHelper wrote:

speedchuck wrote:Balance: High, Block, Low, Block, Block, High, Block, Low
Balance 2: Low, Block, High, Block, High, Block, Low, Block
Aggro 1: High, Low, Block, High, Block, Low, Block, Block
Aggro 2: High, High, Block, Low, Block, Low, Block, Block
Full Aggro: High, High, Low, Low, Block, Block, Block, Block
Reserve: Low, High, Block, High, Block, Block, Block, Low


To our fellow survivors: Are there any of these options you would rather see eliminated? We have 6 options here, and I think if we get it down to 3 or 4 for the challenge, we'll be good to go. Then the fighters can select from the move lists.

Alternatively, if you think you have a good ordering to throw in, please do. Just keep in mind that we do want to narrow down, so it'd better be at least on the level of these plans.

I assume you're thinking the other tribe will just go buck wild and pick the same strat for each bout?

Nope! I think they'll pick different things as well. A lot of this is luck, it seems. I just want to give us a set of logistically sound choices.

Balance: High, Block, Low, Block, Block, High, Block, Low
Balance 2: Low, Block, High, Block, High, Block, Low, Block
Aggro 1: High, Low, Block, High, Block, Low, Block, Block
Aggro 2: High, High, Block, Low, Block, Low, Block, Block
Full Aggro: High, High, Low, Low, Block, Block, Block, Block
Reserve: Low, High, Block, High, Block, Block, Block, Low


To our fellow survivors: Are there any of these options you would rather see eliminated? We have 6 options here, and I think if we get it down to 3 or 4 for the challenge, we'll be good to go. Then the fighters can select from the move lists.

Alternatively, if you think you have a good ordering to throw in, please do. Just keep in mind that we do want to narrow down, so it'd better be at least on the level of these plans.

I think the ordering is going to happen automatically, based on sign-ups. Which is good, because I think none of the sick people have signed up yet.

DH, as far as strategy goes, let's suppose that mine is a bust. I don't want to give away the first four with that. Nor do I want to put your strategy entirely on the sick/weak players that sign up last.
Let's throw up some options, pick the most suitable ones as being acceptable, and then let each player pick from the shortlist.

Balance: High, Block, Low, Block, Block, High, Block, Low
Balance 2: Low, Block, Low, Block, High, Block, Low, Block
Aggro 1: High, Low, Block, High, Block, Low, Block, Block
Aggro 2: High, High, Block, Low, Block, Low, Block, Block
Full Aggro: High, High, Low, Low, Block, Block, Block, Block

Just some suggestions.

Cool. And I just looked at the post. Things resolve at the end of the day. No A/B testing.

DharmaHelper wrote:

speedchuck wrote:I suppose I'm still putting more emphasis on the scoring than the hidden variables.

I hear ya. Both are good strategies.

Maybe we can do some A/B testing with both of them. After all, the fights don't all resolve at once.

I suppose I'm still putting more emphasis on the scoring than the hidden variables.

I am well, and am sitting with 8 hunger, 10 thirst, and 16 energy. I can do fish or water if someone takes over the fire. I am also willing to do the challenge, of course.

Jeff, is it possible for one fighter to take on two opponents?

DharmaHelper wrote:I like chuck's plan of early attack, I do have something to add to it. Scotty said quote "The order and combination of actions dictate the quality of hits".

Perhaps, to give us an edge, we ought to think as if this were actual combat. Early attacking is fine by me, but I would caution against too many successive attacks or two many successive blocks.

In fact, I would also argue that the last pick should be a "Hit Low". After 7 rounds of combat, wouldn't you be a little shaky on your feet?

I missed that.

Okay, yeah, there may be some hidden mechanics. Score-wise, it's better to attack early, but mechanic wise, it might be best to shake it up. If we go round by round, perhaps we should do some A/B testing on the rounds? Give the first fighter a list, see how it goes, and then adjust accordingly?

I'm thinking something like:
High Attack
Low Attack
Block
High Attack
Block
Low Attack
Block
Block

Jeff, this is not a commitment to action.

insertnamehere wrote: When it comes to challenge strategy, I think putting all of the blocks last could be too easily anticipated by the opposing tribe. I almost feel like randomizing the options and being intentionally unpredictable could work in our favor. I want to hear what people think before deciding anything, of course.

Also, does anyone want to talk to me tonight? I've got two open BTSC slots, and nothing to do this weekend.

I'm in on the BTSC.

As for the challenge strategy, read my post. It does us no good to anticipate the enemy team or try and trick them. None at all. The clear benefit is to use all attacks early.

It's not as nuanced as it looks. Sorry, Scotty.

Look at the four options.

-blocks while the other person hits high/hits low, the attacker rolls a d2.
-hits low while the other player hits high, both players roll a d8.
-hits high while the other player hits high or hits low while the other player hits low, both players roll a d6
-blocks while the other player blocks, both players get 0.

ONLY ONE OF THESE GIVES THE ATTACKER AN ADVANTAGE

Let's ignore the rest and look at the only one that matters. Blocking a hit.
Now, a D2 isn't that big of a deal. But, only one player is rolling that D2. That's the only strategy we can get out of this. Normal, I'd say that the D2 doesn't matter. Here's why:
For every D2 that one player rolls, the other player will also roll a D2 later. This is because of the even number of hits/blocks that must be used. If one player hits early while the other blocks, than he is down one hit, and the other down one block. This will be rectified at some point with the other player having to hit while the first player blocks.

Is there no way to get ahead then? There is.

FIRST PLAYER to reach 20 wins. We want to be on the right side of the block/hit interaction early, and get that extra D2 if the other player blocks for some reason. They may earn it back later, but we may have already won.
Therefore, attacks are better early. No downside to this. I say everyone uses all of their attacks early on.

So kudos to Golden and Opt_Outside. It's the right idea. Other team will probably do the same, but that just makes it more important that we don't do any early blocking.

Wait, he's gone, right? Shoot.

I kinda don't like the challenging thing that Boom is doing toward DH, but in the end, nobody wants to be eliminated, so I get it.

It's weird that I can't scumhunt in this game.

Boomslang, do you have any role-related reasons to think you're essential to the team?

Did NOT even pay attention to the poll name lol

I assumed it was what we'd prefer. I'd prefer a downpour to those others, for us. For them? Food poisoning.

Elohcin wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:What about Wilgy, Eloh? Boom seems to think that's the smarter play. Would you swing a vote in his direction if push came to shove?

I would. I don't think he's been participating as much as others. And the fact that he blew off BTSC is bad. Even if he were silenced, he should be able to be in BTSC when silenced in the thread.

Also, I didn't know chuck was new.

I was in Phenon till the end, so I have quite a few posts to my name. This is my second game. Jury's out on whether that's 'new'.

Silencing, huh. I don't think I've played a game with that, but I am familiar with it.

Hm.

Boomslang doesn't seem like a bad option, but I actually do prefer DrWilgy, if only because I agreed to BTSC with them and they failed me, having me waste yet another chat that could have been valuable.

I'm okay with voting out either one.

Elohcin wrote: Took walks outside of camp. Does this means these three may have gained info about the other tribe? I didn't even catch that til now. Golden, Chuck, Slang? Did you? If so...what was it?

I was hoping to see what these options provided for us, but all I found was a very shiny shell.

Perhaps someone with luck built into their character would do better. I am also curious to see Golden's result, as well as Boomslang's.

Golden wrote:I bought a house

I've got five days to get my affairs in order, so please excuse me for posting at less than 15 posts a day for a bit.

Ooh, exciting! I'll be taking that leap soon. Have fun with all of the new, exciting moving-in stuff!

DrWilgy wrote:Hmmm... I don't wanna betray SVS, but I'll do it for the tribe.

It's okay, that's how I felt.

THIS IS SURVIVAL THOUGH

Elohcin wrote:Funny thing is...we are all talking about who we will have BTSC with when it doesn't really matter too much b/c we are all working together as it is in the thread. And it's not like the thread locks at night. This IS our BTSC hehe. Anyway....I guess I am supposed to choose black. I just don't see that as profitable with me being set up with notsawyer.

Infodumping is allowed in this game, and we may not always be in a tribe like this. BTSC is a good time to make more strong alliances with the individual members of the tribe, as well as dropping any info as a symbol of good trust.

Even if you aren't angling for keeping malicious secrets, it can be useful probably.

Golden and DrWigly for night chat

Switch my rock to black Unless the plan falls through.

This is so complicated.

I've got LoRab and Wilgy set up right now. Let me know if I need to switch once you guys figure it out.

Golden wrote:I'll defer, speedchuck. Maybe we can catch up on night 3.

Alright, sounds good to me.

Golden
LoRab
Wilgy
I have three offers for BTSC now. Which of you would rather defer? I don't want to select two and have the other one waste a chat attempt on me.

Thanks, LoRab. I could use some company at night.

Wilgy, wanna BTSC tonight?

LoRab
DrWilgy
Golden

I'm going to be picking 2/3 of you for BTSC tonight. Do any of you refuse, making my choice easier?

YELLOW
- Opt
- DharmaHelper
- speedchuck
-

BLACK
- Boomslang
-
-
-
-

I would prefer yellow for my pick, unless someone knows something about MP that I don't.

Also, does anyone want BTSC with me? I'm offering.

Are we waiting until leg 2 is done to do leg 4?

speedchuck wrote:Jeff, I'm doing the willpower option for level 1 and level 2 of leg 4

Strength probably wouldn't be great for me.

Also, Jeff, can we have more than one person vote the same thing in the poll?

I assumed it was still one vote each.

I'm all for changing votes once we clarify.

Jeff, I'm doing the willpower option for level 1 and level 2 of leg 4

Strength probably wouldn't be great for me.

I'm back. Tell me what to do.

DharmaHelper wrote:

speedchuck wrote:So wait, let me get this straight. There are 18 players, and the challenge calls for 9. Are there two groups of people doing this?
I've not played a free-for-all game like this before.

Also I want leg three and four, and I have no idea who I have to talk to and make sure this is a good idea. I'll schedule the time once we finalize.

We're one group of 9. We have permissions to see this thread on the board (consider it our side of the island). The other group of nine aren't a part of this thread and have their own tribe.

This clears up so much. Thanks.

Anywho, I am goods at the puzzles. It's either me or Golden for the challenge #3, looks like, and I'm willing to jump into challenge four.
DH, if you want to decide between the two of us, that is cool.

I'll be back to check in within two hours, as I have a university class survival thing to do.

So wait, let me get this straight. There are 18 players, and the challenge calls for 9. Are there two groups of people doing this?
I've not played a free-for-all game like this before.

Also I want leg three and four, and I have no idea who I have to talk to and make sure this is a good idea. I'll schedule the time once we finalize.