The Syndicate

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:17 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:44 pm BUT POPPY! HOW CAN THERE BE THIS MANY WOLFIES WHO HAVE OPENLY STATED THEY HAVE NO CIVILIAN MENTALITY IN PURSUING LYNCHES?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:22 pm I want to win, but I want to have some fun too

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:07 am If I don't see some suspicions from Poppy that are not OMGUS/No U, then I will vote to lynch. Annoying is one thing, but annoying and wilfully unproductive... that's an ear of a different flavour.

thellama73 wrote:ALl in favor of voting to lynch the most annoying player?

thellama73 wrote:The question re: rico is, how much of a distraction is he being? I am okay with lynching sufficiently distracting players, as it improves the efficiency of future play.

All you have to do is follow these steps... Say:

P O P P Y I'm Poppy!
P O P P Y I'm Poppy!
P O P P Y I'm Poppy!
P O P P Y That's me!

3/3 wolfreads via sheer NO U. The best I did as a civilian ever.

Lesson learned.

I'm not sure what the lesson is, though. Mafia can get annoyed too? Scum actually DO advocate lynching annoyingness over scumhunting? Maybe town listens to people more when they actually put out content, and that is a good thing?

Dunno. *Pours salt everywhere*

Need a gif for this.

Sorry. I guess I deserve to lose for that one.

Basically f**k comcast then.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:57 pm Everyone switch your votes to "Who Cares"

We all win.

Are we allowed to do that?

I tried.

Opted in. We should lynch nutella. Have a 3p/scum/town win.

We could end night phase early, get this over with.

Welp. GG. I tried.

This is so silly.

Different mutiny teams, LC.

And yeah, DH is correct. The kill and lynch can just decide arbitrarily who wins.

No matter what happens, whoever is left tomorrow gets to randomly opt in to win.

Reminder: The technical realignment won't take place till after tomorrow's lynch as well.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:57 pm So... can I kill no one, and Mutiny with speed and sloon, and we all win?

I think so, but that's if the odds magically give us the mutiny. It would choose three of us out of 5. 1 in ten chance of any particular team. Trust me, I'm a math person.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:50 pm But with nut, DH, and myself voting Mutiny, it will go through without your help, right?

The thing is, I don't really know how it works. When it wins, does it randomly go to either me, or the surviving Civ? I don't know!

When it wins tonight, it becomes an option tomorrow. ANYONE who opts in tomorrow gets in. Three of those that opted in are randomly selected. If all 3 say yes, mutiny happens.

If I get in, I promise to say yes. Give sloonei the 3/4 chance of going in, and he might say no. I swear, I will allow the mutiny through.

Let's do this. Good luck to me or sloonei, whichever survives the night. Hope you get into the final three and trounce the fourth.

Tell ya what: Kill sloonei and not me, and I'll make sure the mutiny goes through if I get in, rather than screwing the game over for you, LC.

Ignoring that, you're still going along with the 3P strategy. If you were really Civ, you'd want to work with Civs and take out a 3P to make this game numerically improbable for mafia to win.

Crap, guys. DH could be sparky.

You know what? Next time I play a game based on a movie, I'm going to look at the cast list and RP the crap out of a character that I'm not playing. Just to screw with people.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:59 pm What makes you so sure I am the last scum?

Epi claimed in PMs in advance.
You refuse to work against the 3P players, which would guarantee a scum loss.
Your whole playstyle right now is saying "I'm not scum" while accepting all of the offers directed at scum and declining all of the offers made at town.

If you are town, vote for nutella or DH. Do it.

Eh, we can lynch DH later. Best we can do is match with three, and with the votes cast as they are, nobody will back out.

I'm pretty darn certain LC is the last scum. Dunno what'll happen with the nightkill after he dies, but whatever.

Wait, is it like a thing that you shouldn't care about the opinions of people that are voting for you? I feel like you should spend some time trying to change their mind. Well, no matter.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:57 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:55 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:25 am Wait, how are you two confirmed town again? Why don't YOU switch to Epi instead, so we can play this out like it should have been before the Role List ended the concept of regular gameplay?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:22 am I'd rather hit a confirmed third party than an unconfirmed scum at this particular moment.

You aren't making me feel good about you here.

Well, you're already voting for me. So why should I care how you feel?

Do you even read my posts? I offered you a deal that would work, if you're civ enough to accept it. Apparently you aren't.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:25 am Wait, how are you two confirmed town again? Why don't YOU switch to Epi instead, so we can play this out like it should have been before the Role List ended the concept of regular gameplay?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:22 am I'd rather hit a confirmed third party than an unconfirmed scum at this particular moment.

You aren't making me feel good about you here.

So you say Epi is scum, Long Con.

How about this, if you really are Civ: Humor Sloonei and me, the two basically confirmed townies, and switch your vote to Nutella or DH. They are confirmed third party, and I'd rather hit a confirmed third party than an unconfirmed scum at this particular moment.

I'll switch with you, Sloonei will probably do the same, and the game will change to a state of having 1 scum, 1 3P, and 2 civs (assuming mafia kills a civ).

You switching off of Epi would win you some brownie points toward me considering you Civ, as well.

Voted for LC.

Gonna eat my popcorn and just watch, I guess.

Let's look at the odds to get to victory for the 3p/mafia

1 - INH makes a tie (assuming the bad guys coordinate and tie the game) a 50/50 lynch option and not a no-lynch.

Odds: ??? Pretty good?

2 - The 50/50 lynch lands on a townie

Odds: 50%. Duh.

3 - The mutiny for three option, selected by the three baddies, is activated. The two townies will opt in, of course.
This means, in order for the mutiny to go through, no townies must be selected.

Odds: 1/(5 choose 2), or 1/10

If everything goes according to plan, there is a 5% chance of this working. Who knows what happens when it goes wrong? Who will betray who?

Sooo is there suddenly no-one around? Epi? LC? Sloonei?

One of you is bad. Might as well come out with it, eh? (Unless DH and Nutella are pulling a fast one)

I wonder if LC is really the scum.

Which piece is that?

And if one townie gets into the mutiny and votes "no", mutiny doesn't happen.

Just so you understand your options. It's risky, but as you said, probably worth it.

Regarding dumb soft flavorclaims:

I thought that the game would stay closed-setup. Pardon my game-screwing ignorance. Was dog for fun.

Oh cool. I completely missed nutella's post.

DH and Nutella are 3P. I'm civ, along with two of LC, Epi, and Sloonei.
3P is offering a deal to scum for mutiny. Together, they can form an unofficial half-majority and stop civs from lynching them. (Unless ties are random.) A solid plan.

BUT FOR ONE THING!

ANYONE can opt into that mutiny for three option, mate. Then the three will be randomly chosen from those that opted in. You better believe that the two remaining civs are gonna jump in on that. The three winners will be decided by luck of the draw.

Are you okay with that?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:31 am nutella knew timmer was the llama killer.

Her team didn't kill timmer until after it was obvious that timmer was the llama killer (way to go nutella- we do good work).

Explain to me why nutella would hold off on killer timmer with this information.

If Nut somehow knew timmer's role, then she would know that he was only a danger as long as Llama was alive. The kill was expended (if I understand correctly), and then timmer was vanilla afterward. Is this right?

So nut would have little reason to kill timmer IF she only learned of his role just after Llama's death. Not only that, but Llama controlled the kill at that point. Even if nut knew, and if she was teamed with Llama, he may not have listened/been here much. For all we know, mafia peeps have to use the PM system same as us. We don't know much about how they communicate.

I feel like the real question here is: How did Nutella know Timmer's role? It wasn't a tracker or investigative role. I see three possible option with my barely-awake mind.

1. Nut got PM'd by Timmer. Why?
2. Nut is 3P, found Timmer. Communication and role details ensued.
3. Nut is mafia, knew that there was a role that could specifically kill Llama. Somehow narrowed it down, and then didn't manage to make Llama kill Timmer or didn't know quite early enough.

After reviewing the possibilities, I come up with a shrug. None of them make sense. Nutella, how did you know what Timmer was? Or what Epi was not?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:49 am What good does a role claim do, by the way?

In an open setup, role claims force a mafia role to claim a town role. The town role then contradicts them, and then we have 2 of the same role claimed. This (theoretically) narrows scum down to those two players.

It's also maybe illegal in this setup?

Getting a bit cringe-y about Nutella for reasons. Why was it that we townread her?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:50 pm " Dorothy Vallens - Singer for the Slow Club. Her husband and child were taken from her by Frank Booth. Jeffrey Beaumont is her bad boy. Every night, she searches for the three of them. If she finds them, they have the option of joining her and forming a third, independent team. This team can only win the game if it outnumbers the civilians, and all of Frank Booth's organization have been eliminated. Dorothy can win no other way. If Douglas Firs wins the D0 poll, your vote counts for double in the Night Event Polls."

"The three of them."

Which three? Her husband? Child? Booth? Beaumont?

I made the assumption that it was husband, child, and the detective/perv (since apparently timmer did indeed get recruited.)

I'm leaning long con as independent. For obvious reasons.

I could say Sloon is the mafia, and hope that no recruitment has happened. That would probably be too clean.

Up to half of the game could be non-town right now

Rico = Sandy Williams: Civ
G-Man = Mrs. Williams: Civ
Wilgy = Detective John Williams: Civ
Spacedaisy = Mrs. Beaumont: Civ
Quin = Aunt Barbara: Civ
Sprityo = Little Donny: Civ/Possible 3p recruit
Timmer = Jeffrey Beaumont - civ->3P scum leader killer and 3P recruit
Llama = Frank Booth: Scum leader: Civ
SVS = Paul: Scum

Sparky the Dog: Civ
Mike: Civ
Detective T.R. Gordon: Civ
Don Vallens: Civ/possible 3P recruit

Ben: Scum

Dorothy Vallens: 3P recruiter

The independent throws a wrinkle into my reads. Hm.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:42 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:35 pm Not the greatest of optics there. Who was the other person?

Quin.

Say what you're gonna say cuz I can't wait to tear into this real bad point you're about to make.

Well, Quin was town. And SVS was scum.

So were you scum, this would be a truth and a lie throw-off dealie, dissociating yourself with a townie and a scummie. Not the greatest of optics.
If you're town, it would just be an honest statement about the state of the game.

Is that about right, or am I just staying up too late?

Not the greatest of optics there. Who was the other person?

Who was it that said "If I was bad, svs and <someone else> would be dead"?

Can't look. Am on phone.

Still would guess that timmer is good, but I'd like to see a case against it.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:38 pm I'm sad that SVS was bad.

I'm not sure how to feel about it.

Thanks for the reads, Quinn. Sorry about the death.

Timmer is cool.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:24 pm I guess I'm voting Sloonei now. Since I don't think SVS is bad.

Appreciate that. Svs needs to do things, but I don't want her lynched

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:20 pm Chuckster I release you from your bond to me, go do whatever you want man.

This one is coincidence I swear. I thought you were voting me.

True. We have a double lynch. Need to campaign for that second unfortunate soul.

Works for me.

See you guys tomorrow. With actual internet access.

Linki: nah, I don't want to kill svs today.

Hey epi wanna switch to long don? Or would you be more comfy with sloonei?

My Wi-Fi is down again and it's frustrating but I will be home tomorrow. I can't do ctap on phone, but I can vote. I can help the tie, but I'll defer to your judgement.

Whatdoyouthimk?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:52 pm Does anyone have a cliffnotes list of reasons to suspect speedchuck? I ask this more for the sake of discussion than my own attempts to catch up.

Laziness.
Buddying.
Not voting for Llama even when DH did.

DH is about halfway down my list because all he's done to make himself look town is go after Llama. Bussing is pretty common where I come from. The mafia kills in this game have been quality-of-life kills. Kills that make the game more talkative, better. DH is having fun, I might could see him doing this (until phase 2 starts). It doesn't seem like anyone has genuinely put up any investigating toward DH.

Still, the llama push is pretty convincing. Good push I guess. Of course, Llama didn't die when lynched...

Anyway, there's that. And good job keeping me from following you, DH. I'm lazy and in fun mode, but not to the point of self-voting.

As for you, sloonei, I thought epic made some decent points, but I'm still not putting you much lower than SVS or Quin. The bottom three on my list are about even, and are very lazily non-controversial. I like things that way.

And you guy have an auto-rainbow tool? That's fantastic!

Rainbow without color:

Nutella
Epignosis
Timmer
LC
DH
Quin
SVS
Sloonei

Is that really all the players? wow.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:54 pmI'm kinda wondering how far Speedchuck is going to take the "I do what DH Does" schtick.

Try me.

Oh, you mean why are two people voting for you. I retract my comment and give a sheepish "oh".

I voted you to pressure and to follow DH like a loyal puppy dog. Apparently the pressure did nothing. So just the dog thing then, yeah.