The Syndicate

I also made Daisy target Nova. If I'd been around, and saw that Nova was cursed, I would have caught Daisy a lot sooner.

I never redirected Epi a second time.

I was Perchik, the misdirector.

I misdirected Epi on night one, to see if he was scum. I tried to make him kill or curse Kylemii. Since neither of those happened, I said in thread that it was UNLIKELY for Epi to be scum. He'd have to be the roleblocker.

All of my misdirections were to try and send nightkills or curses to unlikely targets. I failed horribly.

But I played a good enough game to get killed, so that's nice.

Mazel Tov

I'm in bed on phone but I had to look. Now I can Rest In Peace

Bringing that holy hell, rabbi!

(Lorab didn't get to play a Jew, irony)

Going to bed, actually.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:19 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:14 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:13 am We actually just wrapped up a few minutes ago.
Did the person really die that time, or was it a cop-out?
Uh no, we did a one off mission that was outside of the current story arc. So it was unrelated to that tonight. Our game director couldn't be here so Sokoth just ran it.
Johnny's fate still hangs in the balance.

Gotta let me know how that turns out.

Sorry back to waiting for the flip

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:13 am We actually just wrapped up a few minutes ago.

Did the person really die that time, or was it a cop-out?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:09 am Kyle's inebriation is mild point in his favor for me. He had to fight and claw his way to coherently express his desire to choose a side. drunk mafia kyle could have just thrown a vote and laughed like a rotten child on an anthill.

No yeah, forgot about the concert. That makes sense.

What are you doing in the mafia game Kyle? You're at a concert.

(Disclaimer: I'm not familiar with drunk posting or drinking. I have never drunk. All I knew is that this is the first time I've seen Kyle doing it, and we were at a critical juncture)

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:06 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am I'm tying up LoRab and LC

If it stays tied, the rabbi decides
Wouldn't it be funny if--

If I was the rabbi... (and I'm clearly not saying one way or another)... but if I was, I would avoid ties at all cost. I do not want that responsibility. Suck it rabbi. Stress is all yours.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:03 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am Elplz eevator pitch me on lorab vrs locon go
Kyle is too drunk.

I agree, and it feels out of character for Kyle to get drunk in the middle of a crucial lynch.
I may not know anything, and I don't like bringing RL stuff into games, but come on man save the drunk posting for the night phases.

Kyle doesn't have culpability for tonight.

Or maybe he just wanted to drink. I don't know what that's like.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:03 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am I'm tying up LoRab and LC

If it stays tied, the rabbi decides
False.

Which part?

I'm tying up LoRab and LC

If it stays tied, the rabbi decides

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:53 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:49 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:42 am Jay, I like your thoughts on LC. I'll vote for him. If you're wrong I'll lynch you next.
nutella, tell me about this nasty post.
I wrote it. You think it's nasty because you think it's me preemptively blaming you for a mislynch and not taking responsibility for my vote. That was not implied. I am choosing my own votes and changing my mind on them a lot. I meant that if we lynched LC and he flipped civ I would try you next.

But if you LIKE his thoughts, why does the flip make you want to kill him? "Good points, but they're invalid so you dies." ?>??

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:28 am I don't think it's prudent with limited time remaining to compile a huge, thorough LC ISO -- I'm not even sure I can finish it in time. Cliff notes:

~ Epignosis and I were fiercely antagonistic with each other for nearly all of Day 1. We ate up a lot of thread content with that combat, and left all other observers scratching their heads trying to parse apart the motives. If there's anyone alive who should keenly understand what scenario and be able to provide insight on it, it's the other guy who has so frequently found himself in the same position against Epignosis.

What insight did he provide? Fuck all. He made a few isolated comments about it, but never anything of substance. To check yourself, click here and CTRL+F for Epi or 3J/Jay/JJJ

~ FZ. gave him crap for "asking clarification questions". LC's immediate response was to accuse her of inventing that notion. I don't see many avenues for that to be a neutral or better comment from LC to FZ -- it's a suspicion. This turned into a somewhat hostile exchange, and LC continues to assert that FZ is making shit up, or at least "making unfounded claims", and challenges her for proof. At no point does LC voice a clear read on FZ in light of this debate -- his commentary carries discrediting weight but does not probe his accuser to learn more about her (trendy new accusation ). This smells of CFTWR (caught for the wrong reasons).

1. He said that this was Civ Epi, per usual. I'm not sure what else you were looking for. I think, by saying this, he implied a Civ!you as well.
2. This is exactly how he responds when Epi brings the same kind of suspicions against him, though he usually does go after Epi in response.

If it is CFTWR, then that would explain why LC is hesitant to 'OMGUS' or whatever you want to call it.

I see your points, but they're not as damning as I'd like.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:29 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:26 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:19 am Why do you scum read me, speedchuck?
"Sloonei - his turnabout on me is garbage. I can't read the "oh, if you play a better townie while mafia then you must be mafia" vote without having a spasmodic fit. That's one way to excuse and turn around a convenient townread you've been using. Bull friggin crap.
Different point:
Amusingly, Sloonei never actually tunneled on cBob when he was town in mountains. It was a constant suspicion, but I never saw him pursue it super hard.
Final point: I really think one of the main three is scum, and Sloonei is my top guess. I'm sorry if I'm wrong, Sloonbeard. You feel off, and that's the best argument I can give you. This readlist/thread review is taking all of my remaining time today. I'm probably just going to have to hope I don't die in MK mafia."

It's... not great if you still townread me. I don't know what to make of your treatment of my read there.
You've been a strong town read for a lot of the game. I began to question myself on that read. I've still felt good about you, but it's not a read upon which the game hinges. My mind is far from made up.
why does my "turnaround" bother you, and what does the Mountains anecdote mean to you in this game?

Your form of questioning yourself on the read, in one post, said:
"Speed says he plays a good town game if bad. He's playing a good town game. Therefore I'd better switch my read." If that was you being snarky, it's one thing. But at the time, I thought you were using my meta against me to enlarge a wagon, and it did NOT sit right. A reversal like that needed more to it. I'm confused on this point still ATM. No time to find the post, I've got LC to look at.
I was stating that your method of approaching Kyle near EOD1 was not the same as your approach to cBob, or really anyone I've seen. The fire that you put into that was something I'd expect from JJJ and not you. And even though you've gotten someone lynched before, you going after Kyle was distinctly different.

Nutella and Dizzy are insanely buddy-buddy
I could see a scum or 3P on either side of the LC JJJ thing.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:19 am Why do you scum read me, speedchuck?

"Sloonei - his turnabout on me is garbage. I can't read the "oh, if you play a better townie while mafia then you must be mafia" vote without having a spasmodic fit. That's one way to excuse and turn around a convenient townread you've been using. Bull friggin crap.
Different point:
Amusingly, Sloonei never actually tunneled on cBob when he was town in mountains. It was a constant suspicion, but I never saw him pursue it super hard.
Final point: I really think one of the main three is scum, and Sloonei is my top guess. I'm sorry if I'm wrong, Sloonbeard. You feel off, and that's the best argument I can give you. This readlist/thread review is taking all of my remaining time today. I'm probably just going to have to hope I don't die in MK mafia."

It's... not great if you still townread me. I don't know what to make of your treatment of my read there.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:16 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:15 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:04 am speedchuck, Dyslexicon read right now GO
GTH scum
Has anything happened to your read on Dizzy over the last hour or so?

I... felt worse about it? But it's still there. Weaker than it was. I can see everything she's saying from scum perspective.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:01 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:56 pm Mac
Epi
LC

Wilgy

FZ
nutella
Kyle
daisy 2
JJJ

Marmot
Nova

Sloonei
Dizzy
LoRab

This is the readlist I posted earlier, now without color or reasons
Does this reflect your current feelings?

Pretty well, yeah

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:04 am speedchuck, Dyslexicon read right now GO

GTH scum

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:57 pm If anyone gets an aha-moment, just talk about my alignment.

Link to a dizzy scum game

I don't have time to look at it and compare

Mac
Epi
LC

Wilgy

FZ
nutella
Kyle
daisy 2
JJJ

Marmot
Nova

Sloonei
Dizzy
LoRab

This is the readlist I posted earlier, now without color or reasons

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:50 pm Looking at LC's post on speedchuck, his main point against him was that he jumped on the kylewagon and then didn't let go--which is simmilar to what he did here. So, that makes me eyeball him more.

Clarification: Eyeballing me or LC more?

Bad case =/= bad case maker

depending on what 'bad' means

Not that I have a townread on JJJ. But I almost kinda do?

Dizzy:

First two posts with relevant stuff:

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:14 am So far, Kyle is very likely town. The rest is whatever. Except everyone are super cute and adorable. <3

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:16 pm
Spoiler: show

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:33 pm I think if Jay doesn't come up with a valid "tell" that made him so sure as to call me out like he did then it's definitely a bad look for him.

As things are, based on past interactions with Jay he's likely to come out and say something like "there is no tell, I was just lying to build thread discussion" or "I'm not telling you what your tell is in case I need to use it again later"

I don't think either of those are acceptable answers for this.

Jay's usual civvie MO is to scatter bricks around on day 0 and 1 in order to start building discussion and put out reads. What Jay's done here is try to throw a single large brick at me, which causes no variation in discussion at all. The only discussion happening right now is surrounding me.

The only way that tactic comes from a responsible civvie mindset is if Jay really and truly believes in whatever he thinks my tell is
Meanwhile, JJJ isn't even anywhere to be seen and has probably fallen asleep behind some bushes. Why is this even a thing to discuss when FZ was the person I saw with some actual piece of reasoning?

This is probably old news, but this whole thing is kind of funny to me. Is Kyle always this easy to rile up? We should play more often.

1 Townread without reason. 1 Questioning of the way the argument is going.

Then in a catch up post, Dizzy makes some back and forth statements like "I like this post" and "I have some qualms" (she did explain these), then pops off a couple of townreads and leaves.

Later backs off the Kyle town read post, the first one. Says she hadn't read the game when she said that. Kyle was also a townread after she read posts 2-6, in the post before this.

Next content post has a bunch of quotes with worthless comments, and this:

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:34 pm Stuff from page 6 and out.

<snip>

My critique on JJJ:
- I find he holds on to the obvious unreasnable accusation of him and Sloonei necessarily being scum together a bit too long. I read it more like Epig's pressure became more about JJJ than them two together. Also doesn't address the question of sincerity until pretty late.
- I still find his contant reminder of "I pushed the thread, I wouldn't do it as scum" to be bs, and it still totally reminds me of some of my own defenses. He asks if he would do a good job of it, but really it was Kyle doing a good job of reacting overtly, and quite frankly JJJ didn't really do a good job of it by posting a scientist gif clearly indicating that he was just experiementing and slinging poop, pointing at himself there too as in "I'm doing stuff".
Those two would be my points of suspicion.

I remember somewhere along the line to be more inclined to the possibility of both JJJ and Epig being town, but I can't say why other than maybe they're not the most suspicious and I prefer other lynches? I have problems with some of their play. I do like Epig actually explaining his thoughts. I do like him reevaluating Nut so fast. I guess. I do like some of what JJJ is saying too and still liked his early read on Kyle about the anger/respect issue.

@Sloonei - What do you think of JJJ's original reason to read Kyle town?

Can someone tell me about about MacDoug? His playstyle seems rather random to me, but random and aggressive (not a critique of play style just an observation and wanting to get some meta), is this normal?

---

I'm way more interested in players like FZ, Robar, the ever random Wilgy and the ever endearing Marmot. And then there are a couple of players that I don't remember posts from or they haven't been game relevant enough to stick.

Vote FZ

I don't find any reason to feel good about their posts. A bit on the side and meh. I guess this may count as a gut read, but it's where I'm at now.

Speed and Nut as town, Kyle as probably town, Slooneiiiiii let me hold on for a bit, Epic could be town, JJJ more null but ugh, don't remember anything else.

This is only half of the post, and there is just NOTHING. NOTHING. THIS is the relevant half.

Every read Dizzy makes in the thread, she backs off of. Every critique she makes is waffled. At some point later, her town reads become this:

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:53 pm We must all care for the roof.
I'm not yay on an Epig or Kyle lynch really. Sue me etc.

I guess I only feel good good about Speed, which is scary because magical whip reasons so it doesn't even feel good, but he thought the same thing as me more than once and that felt good so hi.

The only strong town read she has, and she excuses it while dismissing all of the other ones as weak.

All of this just reeks of posting without posting to me. It's tiring to go through an ISO and look at what is not there. She only has 43 posts. Take a look.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:18 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:40 pm Dyslexicon - Buddied me all game. Pretty decent effort in the catch-up posts, but it's not the Dizzy I remember from Phenon at all. (No, I haven't had time to look at currents). Town Dizzy is, as I remember, confrontational, sassy, and in your face to the point of discomfort with the weird tongue lady gifs.
This Dizzy isn't giving me much from her posts. I'm just not getting anything. Lots of 'feels' and 'probably's. Votes and positions are easy, go along to get along.
Read her ISO and tell me you see person who cares about the roof. I'll grab my nail gun.
Is there anything in Dizzy's ISO that you think directly points to scumminess, or is it just an overall atmosphere of meh?

I was running out of steam when I hit Dizzy's ISO. I skimmed it, and remember the 'meh.'

Let me go back and see if I can grab some actual quotes.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:03 pm Epignosis believed he was entering this phase as a dead man walking. How do people feel about the effort he has provided given that the circumstances have not reflected that?

I've already answered this question, but for the record, I think it reflects well on him

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:41 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:40 pm
Marmot - did not like the unwillingness D1 to put a vote somewhere that mattered. Also possible distancing from Dizzy, who is down there. The one thing I can read good on is his frustration in the topic, regarding 'shitty' lynches. As Dizzy noted later in the game, Marmot has done a lot of defending himself. But he's also not been shy about it.
I go back and forth a LOT when reading through his ISO. Could be scum. In no way is that ruled out. I'd rather lynch any of the four people below.

Why does it matter that I don't move my vote on request? That's the neat thing about votes; they're owned by the player who casts them (usually).

I'm not talking about voting on request. I'm talking about what you did with your vote, and how useless it was. I'm judging you. That's the neat thing about reads, they're usually owned by the player who has them.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:08 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:06 pm Gonna catch up
Talk to me about Dyslexicon.

I've got a pretty hefty readlist that covers everything I know at this point in time. If I hit anything new while catching up, I'll let you know.

Gonna catch up

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:55 pm Sloonei's posts have been hexed. I am no longer allowed to quote them.

Must be the punishment role

BTW I'm back guys

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:57 pm Speedchuck, you are still one of my top town reads.

Cool.

I'm confused as hell then.

Vote Dizzy with me?

My first vote choice is Sloonei. I can switch to anyone else I had in red or orange, but I prefer to lynch Sloonei or Dizzy.

FZ. - early game, asked a lot of questions that were not super helpful. More like "who do I vote?" Roleplays as Tevye with all the "one hand other hand" posts. If I thought it was on purpose, I'd townread his clever play. As it is, it's very non-comittal and wishy washy.
. . .
Then the play on LC comes around. It's like Epi junior. Probably wrong, but there's no scum motive for slamming LC with weird meta suggestions. This is original content, and FZ knows that LC can put up a fight. And he was behind on all of those wishy washy posts.
Is this... is this POE?
Welcome to the yellow/light green zone, FZ

Marmot - did not like the unwillingness D1 to put a vote somewhere that mattered. Also possible distancing from Dizzy, who is down there. The one thing I can read good on is his frustration in the topic, regarding 'shitty' lynches. As Dizzy noted later in the game, Marmot has done a lot of defending himself. But he's also not been shy about it.
I go back and forth a LOT when reading through his ISO. Could be scum. In no way is that ruled out. I'd rather lynch any of the four people below.

novaselinenever - apparently in four games at once, and the big posters are blowing this thread to bits. I can't put him with all my beloved neutrals, though, even when his absence is understandable.
Has contributed nothing.
At the very least, he could have picked a single post from this game and nailed it with a tone read. But no, nothing. I have nothing to compare this to.

Sloonei - his turnabout on me is garbage. I can't read the "oh, if you play a better townie while mafia then you must be mafia" vote without having a spasmodic fit. That's one way to excuse and turn around a convenient townread you've been using. Bull friggin crap.
Different point:
Amusingly, Sloonei never actually tunneled on cBob when he was town in mountains. It was a constant suspicion, but I never saw him pursue it super hard.
Final point: I really think one of the main three is scum, and Sloonei is my top guess. I'm sorry if I'm wrong, Sloonbeard. You feel off, and that's the best argument I can give you. This readlist/thread review is taking all of my remaining time today. I'm probably just going to have to hope I don't die in MK mafia.

Dyslexicon - Buddied me all game. Pretty decent effort in the catch-up posts, but it's not the Dizzy I remember from Phenon at all. (No, I haven't had time to look at currents). Town Dizzy is, as I remember, confrontational, sassy, and in your face to the point of discomfort with the weird tongue lady gifs.
This Dizzy isn't giving me much from her posts. I'm just not getting anything. Lots of 'feels' and 'probably's. Votes and positions are easy, go along to get along.
Read her ISO and tell me you see person who cares about the roof. I'll grab my nail gun.

LoRab - no reason to read town. I suspected her in early game, but don't remember the context. I'm tired, and I've been working on this readlist for over an hour. Tell me if there's a reason to townread LoRab.
Also compatible with my other scumreads.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:20 pm speedchuck, I could try a rainbow but I am feeling very ill-equipped to commit to most of my reads right now since I really keep flipping back and forth on them. I really need to learn something from this lynch, and I don't think I'll be able to even begin to rest until I know Sloonei's alignment at least.

lol @ "GTH I'd probably just die." That summarizes how I feel about this game so far

Working on the rest of my reads right now. Go ahead and throw a list out there. I don't care if you change your mind two posts later. Give me a C-section of your mindset, so that I can ask you how your reads progressed later and then townread you or lynch you for it.

speedchuck - this guy

Spacedaisy - dead and confirmed

MacDougall - I have loved everything that Mac has done except for his buddying the crap out of me. That bothers me. But everything else reeks of town effort. He's committal, he pursues ALL avenues (even looking at the coalignment of the person he reads town), and he puts in way more effort than he would need to as mafia.

Epignosis - It is statistically unlikely that Epignosis is mafia. Not impossible, but decent amounts of unlikely. Say 7% odds that Epi is town. And then I get to my read on him. I agree that a lot of the suspicion on Epi comes from "buyer's remorse." If you look at Epi, the purpose of his posts, and the attitude in which they are made, it becomes apparent (in my opinion.) Sure, Epi tone reads as bad. Sure, he's made some mistakes, some inconsistent reads, and has made some odd calls. But I'm not getting 'mafia' out of any of them that strongly.
Epi's posts have changed in opinion, and not in a way convenient to him. His focus has been on agitating the thread. Even when everyone suspects him, he continues making posts that try to pressure people and reveal more. He has the attitude of a hunter, even in all of this. I will be surprised if Epi were to flip scum, especially just looking at the odds.

Long Con - Long Con reminds me of Long Con. A little push here, a little push there, a giant case out of nowhere... plus, his case on me is one of the best contructed in the thread!

Even if it is wrong, that's my fault more than his. Mechanics aside, I don't have anything negative to say about LC, and that's more than I can say about most people in this game.

DrWilgy - totally stealing my "why not" response when asked about his vote.

Wilgy hasn't contributed a whole lot to this game, but that's what I expect. What he has put in included clear reads on some of the players, dichotomies about alignment, and votes/suggestions that keep the thread inherently less stable. Which is a good thing for town. ISOing the guy is quick and easy, feel free to correct me if you think Wilgy's coming from a bad standpoint. Or just vote the guy. Wilgy delivers under pressure, as I remember from Pirates. (I got him killed anyway, but that's beside the point.)

nutella - She was going to be lower on my list. I had her under Spacedaisy II. But then I looked back at her posts, and I saw two things:
1. she started out with reads completely opposite Mac's. No lack of initiative with them either.
2. Her current position mirrors mine a little bit, as far as what her reads are.
So she feels like she's in a good place to me, and she's been mostly consistent with the way her reads develop. Unafraid of backlash. That said, some of her posts seem opportunistic, and I am in bad need of a rainbow from her, since a lot of her posts only focus on one or two people. I want a huge readcommit from her. That would push her into light green.

Kylemii - Did not like the way he responded to JJJ's initial brick. It wasn't like Kylemii, but he's grown on me since. And hey, I don't know what it's like for Kyle to recieve unreasonable, sudden pressure. First time that it's happened in my remembrance. It's been a hard climb, but Kylemii is back up to null. If he does turn out mafia, hopefully teammate interactions will reveal him down the road, and then we'll finally have a data point for scum!kyle. (Kylemii is also my top pick for third party. Ask me about it. Go on.

)

Spacedaisy the second - Sounds like the first one, and she was town. More content, but that's been explained. Hesitant to give Daisy any high read on this account, as it's easy to 'pick up where you left off.' Also, she's only made like 5-7 posts.

JaggedJimmyJay - I don't freaking know. I kind of want him to be teammates with Sloonei, laughing and sharing pillow talk as they dominate the thread and twist us this way and that. At times JJJ seems really genuine, and his meta bears that out. At other times, it seems like he's using hyperbole and emotional appeals to cover up his lack of substance, like he did in Phenon. GTH I'd probably just die.
I'm biased, but JJJ's turnaround on me looked like crap, too. I don't think I've ever seen JJJ look at a case on one of his townreads that he'd promised to evaluate, say "duuuhhh okay looks like my job is done for me" and then vote.
Mitigated by the fact that he moved away just as quick.
Like I said, GTH I'd probably just die. Gonna say town though. *dies*

Gonna post this before I lose it. Last 6 coming soon.
linki [mention]Sloonei[/mention]: If I rolled my eyes any harder at that TMI suggestion, I'd get a strike in a miniature eye bowling alley

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:02 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:57 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:56 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:10 pm Seriously, that is a consistent meta disclaimer. I play a good town game as 3P or Mafia. I am crap town, usually just skating by with power role usage.
I guess this makes you a scum read for me
Is that a compliment?
I've previously labeled you "the most stable (town) presence in the thread", so I guess.

I don't know what that label specifically means, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply to me this game. Why? Why am I "the most stable?" Because I post a lot?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:56 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:10 pm Seriously, that is a consistent meta disclaimer. I play a good town game as 3P or Mafia. I am crap town, usually just skating by with power role usage.
I guess this makes you a scum read for me

Is that a compliment?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:30 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:10 pm Seriously, that is a consistent meta disclaimer. I play a good town game as 3P or Mafia. I am crap town, usually just skating by with power role usage.
This speedchuck post is a page before my current catch-up level in Mortal Kombat mafia:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:10 amPlenty of observations, valuable ones, can be made without meta.
I remember when meta was just another avenue of analysis, rather than the only one.
I don't know if this is a Mafia faux pas, and I don't know if the dichotomy I'm seeing here is all that legit. But that speedchuck was downplaying the use of meta, shortly before our speedchuck pushes a 100% meta defense for himself.

And now I'm meta-ing across concurrent games. How meta IS this???

To be fair, meta is super useful. It's just not all there is

Oh wow I missed an entire page in posting that.

Seriously, that is a consistent meta disclaimer. I play a good town game as 3P or Mafia. I am crap town, usually just skating by with power role usage.

See, this makes more sense. I felt like the game was buddying me before, but this... this seems more accurate to my play. I've been crap this game, and I don't blame LC for calling me out on that.

I am town though.

I never get suspected earlier than D3 or D4 when I'm mafia, because I actually know what I'm doing. If there's a good case on me this early, I'm meta-town.

Actually, @everyone. GTH, say one of JJJ and sloonei are scum. Which one?

It is highly unlikely that Epi is mafia.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:56 am That is one thing you and I can agree on, but more on that when I post the coherent version of my thoughts later. First let's hear some conversation in here and it better be more than conversation about freaking Kyle or people just saying Epi is a foregone conclusion. That's just about as lame as my lynch was. Even if he is lynched, don't sit there and twiddle your thumbs and say, aren't we all just voting Epi?

Since you've had a 24-hour period of just being able to ruminate without posting, I have a request of you. I'm going to put some pairings below. Make the assumption, in each pairing, that one is scum and one is not. Then tell me which one you'd shoot.

Epi vs Jay
Epi vs Sloonei
Dizzy vs FZ
LoRab vs Marmot

Feel free to throw one out if you have no thoughts on it, or throw another pair in.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:27 am
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speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:39 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:37 am Daisy is an easy and unfair lynch too now. It has to be one of you imo.
Ooh, I never like this thing. Mac read dropping.
Please clarify, you never liked what thing?

"Has to be one of you two"

It's like Mac is setting an ultimatum between two players here.
Doesn't matter much because he clarified after.
Sorry I'm so troublesome.

and yay! no one died!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:59 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:31 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:17 pm In a lot of recent games I've had the impression that most of the Day 1 noise was town-on-town aggression. I don't have that impression here. At least one major contributor is bad.
Why do you feel this way and what makes this game applicable to that scenario?
This has felt like a more volatile and hostile atmosphere than, for instance, Moutain Mafia or Seinfeld. I haven't had the same sense of thread unity as in those games.

I agree with this more than anything sl One I has said all game

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:21 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:14 pm (Basically I remember Epi vanishing when he had lost hope in that game and Epi here still seems to think he can turn some positive scumhunting out of this situation. He could still be evil, not disputing that, but I'm willing to look around as well.
Hopefully I'm remembering Night Vale correctly. Epi was bad, when people suspected him and said his goose was cooked, he just left. Because at that point, the aggro of the town wasn't worth making posts that weren't going to do him any good.
Granted, he has other teammates to help in this game, but him talking is just going to create WIFOMy links to other players.)

Why is Epi still here, still trying, when nobody wants to defend him?
k vizzini

This is a meta read.

(Basically I remember Epi vanishing when he had lost hope in that game and Epi here still seems to think he can turn some positive scumhunting out of this situation. He could still be evil, not disputing that, but I'm willing to look around as well.
Hopefully I'm remembering Night Vale correctly. Epi was bad, when people suspected him and said his goose was cooked, he just left. Because at that point, the aggro of the town wasn't worth making posts that weren't going to do him any good.
Granted, he has other teammates to help in this game, but him talking is just going to create WIFOMy links to other players.)

Why is Epi still here, still trying, when nobody wants to defend him?

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