The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:26 pm So was the pursuit of Hufflepuff suspects a legitimate thing, or was that just sly devils creating a false narrative?

I never bought into it, but it wasn't wrong.

One mafia in each house, except for Slytherin. Of course Slytherin has two of them.

I might have been misleading there lol.

I'm really tired today.

linki: It's because you equip them well enough to give them an actual chance.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:55 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:47 amso who won?
speedchuck and quin

If by won you mean yelled at each other until the scumteam won, then yeah.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:36 pm @speedchuck

What did I do that you would have done?

PM'd you.

Didn't end up mattering. I didnt reveal the DH kill, and the speculation dead ended anyway.

It's cool, mate.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:44 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:42 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:34 pm Oh Speed about the thing about Patronus counting as self-target. I wasn't sure about it, but I had made it count for Dodo purposes (I usually let self abilities be redirected), so I decided I would count it on the watcher for the sake of consistency.
No issue. If I was confused, I could have asked. Coulda asked about the Diricawl, too, since I got a little confused about it. Thought it was more of a busdrive than a deflection.
It was a busdrive.

Thennnnn I should have visited Quin and never seen the kill?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:34 pm Oh Speed about the thing about Patronus counting as self-target. I wasn't sure about it, but I had made it count for Dodo purposes (I usually let self abilities be redirected), so I decided I would count it on the watcher for the sake of consistency.

No issue. If I was confused, I could have asked. Coulda asked about the Diricawl, too, since I got a little confused about it. Thought it was more of a busdrive than a deflection.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:32 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:31 pm Funny thing is, if I had just believed Quin...

I had seen DH committing a piercing kill on mafia. With a blast ended screwt going through Quin's protec. Mafia wouldn't kill their own. I had undeniable proof of a serial killer, and knew who it was.

And I withheld that name.
Thanks.

Funny thing is, if I had just believed Quin...

I had seen DH committing a piercing kill on mafia. With a blast ended screwt going through Quin's protec. Mafia wouldn't kill their own. I had undeniable proof of a serial killer, and knew who it was.

And I withheld that name.

Jack remind me to tell you about the scum thing you did that I would have done when I am not on phone

Ddl this game was friggin perfect. Screw anyone who's says otherwise. My favorite job on the site thus far.

I didn't realize Quins protective thing would count as a self target, so I was confused.

Guess I was wrong about Pout.
#speeddidnothingscummy

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:38 pm *checks watch*

*sneers*

And to think I was once your housemate, in another life

I'm gonna need a post-game write-up on night actions. Do it for me. Do it for Quin.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:40 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:39 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:24 pm Pout’s a liar. She said I defended Speed but actually I wanted him dead.

In game only. I love you, alternate universe me.

(You really are alternate universe me. You did something I would 100% have done in your position in this game. I'll tell you about it privately once you're dead.)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:24 pm Pout’s a liar. She said I defended Speed but actually I wanted him dead.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:43 pm guys, im a cop and checked speedchuck 3.0

he's mafia

Dang, I'm caught. Now you just have to figure out who I'm replacing next.

#respectedstudentleader

Good luck you guys

Oh crap. I might not catch up.

@juliets It was apparently just an overnight thing, thank.

Been sick.

Will catch up before night ends on Monday. Make a final post in case death comes.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:10 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:20 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:18 pm Somebody else propose things for me to naysay.
Mac is scum because he farted on the vig kills.

Sprityo is town because he doesn't feel any duty to put forth full effort for his team.

Sloonei is town because Owner was town.

Colin is scum because of how quickly the Glorf wagon picked up when the lynch was between Colin and Long Con. (I know this one paints me in shadow and I don't care.)

Have fun.
Poutanko claimed she copped Colin, and he was town, right? And she copped you and you're scum. You say it is exactly opposite from what she said. And yet you still believe she is town? If you are indeed town, then Poutanko and Colin would make a lot more sense as scummates.

You might just want to read the context of this statement.

I was proposing things for Jack to naysay.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:14 pm Also I think I've overdosed on speed and Quin things so I'm ready to talk about something else.

Am I not entertaining enough for you?

This is going to be a really long night.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:42 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:40 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:39 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:37 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:34 pm Pretty crazy how Glorf/Juliets didn't use their rezz to bring back TH who was confirmed ciiv lol thats nuts man I'm trippin out.
It was Glorf at the time, and I could totally see him refusing to rez TH. 100%.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:36 pm I tried to bring back Turnip Head - thats who I targeted. But continue on I need some suspicion.
Why do you need suspicion?
Because of the truth meta. Glorf claimed town before I replaced him.
I understand this.

Why do you need suspicion? What are you/we supposed to do with it?
if I'm suspicious I'm less likely to be night killed.

Oh bless your heart.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:39 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:37 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:34 pm Pretty crazy how Glorf/Juliets didn't use their rezz to bring back TH who was confirmed ciiv lol thats nuts man I'm trippin out.
It was Glorf at the time, and I could totally see him refusing to rez TH. 100%.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:36 pm I tried to bring back Turnip Head - thats who I targeted. But continue on I need some suspicion.
Why do you need suspicion?
Because of the truth meta. Glorf claimed town before I replaced him.

I understand this.

Why do you need suspicion? What are you/we supposed to do with it?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:34 pm Pretty crazy how Glorf/Juliets didn't use their rezz to bring back TH who was confirmed ciiv lol thats nuts man I'm trippin out.

It was Glorf at the time, and I could totally see him refusing to rez TH. 100%.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:36 pm I tried to bring back Turnip Head - thats who I targeted. But continue on I need some suspicion.

Why do you need suspicion?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:30 pm Pretty wild how Glorf/Juliets had a rezz this whole time and the one time it gets used a baddie gets rezzed huh

It's apparently an odd-night only power.

Glorf prolly didn't use it night one because JJJ wasn't dead yet. (or someone of equivalence)

But if you want to explore this, I'm all ears.

If I were a scum with a Diricawl, I'd use it on a townie every night I could.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:21 pm If poutanko was redirected night 1 wouldn't his results have shown someone other than Bullzeye? Or is that not the way it works? Also is Imperio the only thing that could have redirected him? I looked at that dirithingy but couldn't quite figure out how that would work. It would seem odd to me to use Imperio before you even knew what a player's power was because it can only be used one time for each player.

I know I'm asking some nitpick questions but I'm just trying to look at all angles of the Quin/speed thing.

linki yes I did post a list

I asked the host about my watch. Apparently if I'd been redirected to say timmer, I would have seen who watched Timmer, but not that I was watching Timmer. That's what I understood, anyway. So no, the results would have just said SCUM/TOWN afaik.

Scum have secrets. We cannot know what else redirected. Except Diricawl, which you mentioned.

Diricawl would mean that some scum switched themselves with me on night 1, and Pout targeted them instead of me. Not inconceivable. It's the perfect measure against cop checks, trackers, and other info roles.

I have an idea guys.

What if we just lynched and killed everyone except for me?

Then town would win.

Thanks Jay. I can always trust...

wait.

*pulls Colin out of tinfoil POE*
*places Jay into Colin's place*

Continue

I want this version of DH to play in every game I'm in.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:35 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:07 pm ....it's not read
N1 - Bullz
N2 - Colin
I was thinking about this.

poutanko has said that her role has been obliviated, which may indicate that the mafia team had identified her divination [cop] ability. If so, that information could not have been secured until at least Day 2, after N1 actions were resolved.

This would suggest the following:

N1 was less likely to be tampered with than N2. Indeed, for the speedzeye check to have been screwed up, it'd have to reflect either the mafia redirecting poutanko without knowing her role (rather random choice), or performing some manner of swap with Bullzeye (a high-probably vigilante target, yikes).

It'll be more confusing once I flip. Perhaps Pout should be in the POE at that point.

Neat.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:18 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:14 pmI stopped caring about suspicion.
I once won as a serial killer due at least in part to the fact that I kept insisting this once I had been outed.

Link or it didn't happen.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:09 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:08 pm TL;DR I made the right decision and you guys all suck at the watcher role and suck more for criticizing me.
You keep saying you're being "criticized", which is bunk. You're being suspected. I just showed you a clear record of a mafioso doing exactly what you've claimed to do, and I cannot remember ever seeing a civilian do it.

That doesn't mean your case is closed, but the emotion you're feeding into your posts looks outright fake at this point. Nobody criticized shit.

You've seen it now, sir. And therefore I will take it as a criticism.

If I thought anything at all was wrong with my chosen target, I wouldn't have outed it. If I was a scum watcher, I wouldn't have claimed it. Not without reason.

I recognize that you guys are treating it like a suspicion, but I'm getting lynched or vigged anyway. As soon as the cop check dropped, I stopped caring about suspicion. All I care about now is my dignity and finding actual scum.

TL;DR I made the right decision and you guys all suck at the watcher role and suck more for criticizing me.

Once again, I'd rather you guys not tell me how to play. I'm already getting lynched, I don't need to get pissy again about you criticizing my watch target.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:54 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:39 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:38 pm It all comes down to Phenon Golden.
That's too long ago for my feeble brain, can you help me out here
Golden was the mafia watcher and was called out for not watching outed power roles like cop and vig and otherwise blatantly not using the watcher power (which is possibly the best townie power in mafia) from a town perspective.

Speedchuck similar to this. Why does a town watcher need to watch Long Con, who is going to attract town cop, blocker and vig type roles, which are more helpful for scum to know?

Town watcher should be watching Timmer so the mafia can’t kill or imperio the likely town vig. Town watcher should be watching Juliets so the mafia can’t kill a confirmed townie or imperio her rez. Town watcher should be watching Jay or DH because they have targets on their back. Or even anyone they think could be town that scum might kill.

Speed watched the only player that he’d never catch a scum player killing, the basically outed goon.

Timmer didn't get killed, and if Quin was believed, was targeted by protection.
Juliets didn't get killed, so that was also wrong. I didn't think Rez could be imperio'd, since Imperio USUALLY aims at living targets.
Jay or DH - which one? Turns out NEITHER OF THEM.

You're asking me to give up an near-guaranteed town-vig-firm and probable mafia protect, which I might have gotten that night, to try and guess the mafia kill target? (Never would have guessed Epi, as it turns out.)

Screw you guys. I did what I thought was right and got better results than I would have with anyone else except Juliets, and HOW WAS I TO KNOW SHE HAD A REZ?

Phenon was my first game here. I have emotional memories about it, burning everyone else, making it down to the wire...

Still have NO idea what JoH is talking about.

I claimed that Timmer did not visit long Con. I could have gotten that information with 2 or 3 different abilities.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:31 pm Juliets I think quin just meant speed had already claimed his actions so quin is saying he knows that (while speed meant that he could still tell him more, i.e. the other person he saw)

Jack fwiw I actually agree w speed about Colin, he's very much still in my poe despite the cop check

But I hadn't claimed yet.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:18 pm Somebody else propose things for me to naysay.

Mac is scum because he farted on the vig kills.

Sprityo is town because he doesn't feel any duty to put forth full effort for his team.

Sloonei is town because Owner was town.

Colin is scum because of how quickly the Glorf wagon picked up when the lynch was between Colin and Long Con. (I know this one paints me in shadow and I don't care.)

Have fun.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:06 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:44 pmI don't understand the question.

This is the post that started everything. The WHOLE CONTROVERSY is trying to explain this post. The reason I suspect Quin is that I am unable to explain it.
It isn’t merely about what Quin claimed to do and to whom, but also when he claimed it. There was no controversy at this point. That was no need to explain himself or to lie or to do anything at all. But he still said it.

What does that mean to you?

Same thing it's meant to me all this time.

I have absolutely no idea why he would say that as scum. I have my doubts because of this. I can see why Quin would say it as town, if it were truthful, but why take the risk as scum? Why start this whole thing?

I don't know.

That could mean he's town and we just don't have the whole picture. I'm having faith that you guys can figure it out, because obviously I'm dying before Quin. It's not like I'm trying to get Quin lynched over me. I want you to confirm my info, then use the heck out of it.

I suspect Quin because of my information and because he was not forthcoming about his second target, and has dropped off in engagement of the thread after this whole thing started. I have reasons to townread Quin too. Lack of motive. Early Genuquin-ness. The audacity of the claim.

If I was entirely certain that Quin was scum, I wouldn't have spent so much time trying to unravel all this garbage.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:01 pm Yes, I do. So do you think Quin just tossed off that patronus line to timmer (as quoted by JJJ) as a lie? But why? Why say anything unless he is trying to combat what speed said about him visiting LC. The thing I need to nail down is did he toss off that line before or after speed said he visited LC. It seems like he said it before but I need to check.

It was before.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:51 pm Spped
Sloonei
Luna
Quin
Sprit

POE. I think.

This just in: Colin fails to count to 7.

I'll be Jay's advocate and ask for two more.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:42 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:27 pm @speedchuck this post is the one I'm thinking about.

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:13 pm Quin should be cleared also unless maf has another member with patronum.

Who says the mafia doesn't have another patronum?

For that matter, if Quin is lying, why does he have to be using a patronum?

Fixed the quote stuff

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:29 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:26 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:25 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:19 pm Why do you think he didn't?
Night actions. Timmer didn't visit Long Con last night.
This is correct. I assumed that any attempt at using my vig would be tampered with, so I used a different item to avoid having an obvious killshot redirected.
god damn it timmer you wasted my patronus
speedchuck, explain this post in context within the bounds of your controversy with Quin.

I don't understand the question.

This is the post that started everything. The WHOLE CONTROVERSY is trying to explain this post. The reason I suspect Quin is that I am unable to explain it.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:27 pm @speedchuck this post is the one I'm thinking about.

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:13 pm Quin should be cleared also unless maf has another member with patronum.
Who says the mafia doesn't have another patronum?

For that matter, if Quin is lying, why does he have to be using a patronum?

Because I'm pretty sure I explained on Day 4 how I caught Quin lying about his night action. Did I forget to mention that?

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