The Syndicate

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:54 pm Seriously though can we stop being silly and just kill the obvious least townie player in Chuck this time?

I blame you all for making me swing it to Juliets when we could've just done the smart thing.

(Yes yes she was in my POE yada yada yada I can't hear you)

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:08 pm But hey if we are wrong this mafia is probably gonna kill... I dunno, speedchuck, which makes it even easier to find scum tomorrow, right?

... right?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:45 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:37 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:33 pm It's not impossible for him to trick me again. He has done it once. But even early game, he's looked way better than in the game he was bad. He's been scumhunting from Day 2. In the other game the only thing he did was act arrogant to other people for not reading his mind.

And really, I see no reason why a mafia would bother to try to direct me to MP when they could just vote MP like he did and then go in radio silence when I asked for directions, and later blame me for what happened. He could have his cake and eat it, and he didn't.

I think you guys are putting too much stock in individual PoEs when those vary from person to person and can change every day. And juliets continues to be everyone and their dog's second biggest suspect. Because none of us know how to read juliets, so we are letting her coast through a whole game while not participating in the scum lynches while we argue which one of the rest bussed a mafioso.

What do you mean not participate in the scum lynches? Let me refresh your memory: Night 1 I voted sig and I was wrong. Night 2 I voted nutella for self preservation. Night 3 my vote was shared with Jack and it went to MP. I'm willing to listen to what you say about Nanook but you are dead wrong if you think I am mafia and I haven't been on any scum lynches.

Those are town lynches, juliets.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:56 pm Chuck/Jules/probably hyena

Tbh I’d be surprised if it’s not just chuck tho

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:28 pm I mean what else is there to say at this point? I think you're mafia, you're presumably not going to start trying to convince me otherwise rather than trying to push me as the alternative.

I think the work is pretty well done and the game is pretty well solved tbh

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:47 pm I’m of the opinion that a scum team of radishes/poison/X on D1, X is probably more pressured to vote radishes than not, especially considering that they’d presumably be counting on Sloonei subbing in and being an active partner. Cause remember that nobody knew D1 that sloonei subbing in would also be a non entity.

It’s a great way to distance from radishes, and I don’t think there’d be an expectation that X would be playing by themselves.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:06 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:38 am

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:39 am Someone remind me why we town cleared DDL. I can't remember the reason.

He voted radish MP almost solely at my urging with like 3 minutes in the day, I think without knowledge of the votecount, when he absolutely 100% did not need to.

He has independent antialignment with MR.

Lots of wolves do shit they don’t need to do.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:06 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:38 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:21 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:15 am Finally:

THE WWE IS TAKING SUBMISSIONS!

I am not particularly creative and I have a lot of work to do, so if anyone has any interesting gimmick ideas, I'd seriously love to hear them.

All votes landing on town are worth half a vote?
Every player votes someone to give a desperado?

The first can clearly be broken. I think there's something to the second one.

What's a desperado? Is that like giving someone a gun?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:00 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:54 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:53 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:52 am Is it weird that I'm totally okay with Jack suspecting me but nanook just fills me with righteous indignance?

I get that a lot tbh, I’m a favorite OMGUS target

I think it's because your style of play is so anathema to me.

Or because you've been tunnelling me all game.

Or because you're scum.

Could be all three quite frankly, but might be just two.

I’m used to the first. The second you’re at least as guilty of tbh

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:03 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:51 am The other argument with Jules is that a) MP didnt look likely to be TKed when she left thread, and b) if she left thread with her vote parked somewhere to force Jack’s hand that’s sort of outing, yeah?

I'm not sure what you mean by the second item "if I left the thread with my vote parked somewhere to force Jack's hand". Jack and I shared a vote. I left the thread with the understanding there would probably be EOD chaos. I left the vote in his hands with no stipulations to not vote someone. How does that force his hand and out me?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:02 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:09 am Or someone who think's Jack is in control. That would suggest not our rebel Hyena and less likely Nanook.
Anyone can be scared of RT or a doctor and not go after Jack.

Yeah. Here’s a hot take.

There’s either a baddie in Nanook/Hyena/Speed or a baddie in Tony/Juliets.

So much wifom in this game.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:53 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:52 am Is it weird that I'm totally okay with Jack suspecting me but nanook just fills me with righteous indignance?

I get that a lot tbh, I’m a favorite OMGUS target

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:15 am Finally:

THE WWE IS TAKING SUBMISSIONS!

I am not particularly creative and I have a lot of work to do, so if anyone has any interesting gimmick ideas, I'd seriously love to hear them.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:11 am The way I saw the game, even though Jack tried to flip the switch, today we were still looking at a pool of roughly me, Jules, Speed, Wilgy. Jack had tried to switch this, but as is currently clear, hasn't had much success. I saw Wilgy as a pretty likely lynch option today, but someone who really trusted Jack's locktown might not have had the same take.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:47 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:28 am About Tony.

My previous Tony ISO, which he has yet to respond to:

Spoiler: show

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:57 pm TONY STARK BUILT THIS ISO IN A CAVE!

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:55 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:30 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:01 am My character is so fun to roleplay as that I don’t know how. LC can die but if the point of the game is complete our personal vendettas against LC maybe we’re going down the wrong path

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:03 am Hmm, let’s spread the love
Vote
DDL

The more I think about it the more I don't like these posts. The attitudes are wrong.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

Your attitudes are wrong

The exchange with MR that got Tony some town cred. I don't think it's bad, bot not worthy of cred either. This MR vote lacks substance, has no case, and should NEVER have remained till the end of the day. Textbook distancing, because nobody is going to follow up on it.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:01 pm

112 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:15 am I think it's more tonal impurity that I see in Tony so far than anything concerning his attitudes toward the game.

Although upon a second read I do agree that 'spreading the love' is an odd attitude. It seems like an easy way to get a vote down and spread the votes into something anti-town more than spreading it into something pro-town if you catch my drift.

I don’t catch your drift. Why is it anti-town to have my vote on someone who I think is suspicious? what of that idea is anti-town

He never said he thought DDL was suspicious. I asked, even, and... well we'll get to that later.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:24 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:20 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:41 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:35 pm

Distancing.

it’s 112 and tony it was right in front of us this whole time

lol I meant between you and MR

'lol' tell get em

Deflection and distancing when 112 guessed on a relationship between Tony and MR.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:54 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:21 am Nanook, Tony, nutella, based on your own role card, what alignment do you think Alex Jones would have?

town

Here's the town cred everyone is talking about.
And.
Yeah, this is a ballsy scum play if it is one. I mean, scum might have a towny-looking role as reference, but still I'd grant some good points to this one. Maybe. For reasons that others have discussed.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:59 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:58 pm Now it's time for you people to explain why everyone and their dog is townreading Radishes because I don't see it.

Alternatively, let's lynch him.

In general I'm town reading DDL for going against quo on the page, but the phrasing seems ___stilted___ and repetitive -- forced in a sense (the same "I don't see it" idea). I'm not one of those micro-post analysts but it throws me off.

Shading DDL's vote while distancing himself from directly talking about radishes... or scumreading DDL. Subtle discouragement.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:46 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:05 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:54 pm Tony saying he thought Alex Jones would be town read as a not-scum thing to say imo, especially since it came after me and nutella said the opposite

I agree.

I agree as well.

I can't speak to this argument cause obvious bias but the uniform agreement bugs me

I don't know whether I like this or not. It's almost try-too-hard, like Tony is showing how he can suspect people for propping him up too well. It also gives more publicity to his best reason for being townread.
Or it's genuine, and a good look. You be the judge.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:04 pm

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:16 pm MR sitting on Tony the whole round looks bad on him, like he can't pick anyone else who warrants a vote on them.

is this a serious take

(This post might not be in the right place. I messed up my copy-pasta. It's close, though.)
Needless to say I do NOT like this response. Yes it's serious. Bloody good take, too.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:37 pm I'll vote for Sig over Nanook. Weird to vote for Sig on the case "he hasn't said anything crazy yet" and I know that's the kind of reputation that's really annoying to shake, but there's nothing else to be done.

Completely ignoring MR, which seems to be a theme in the last few posts that sorta concerned MR or voting.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:54 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:40 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:26 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:03 pm @TonyStarkPrime talk to me about Speedchuck. You have a vote on them right now.

He's felt disengenuous to me

This is probably my least favorite Tony post just reading the ISO real fast. Can you expand on this, Tony?

I don't remember what the circumstances were. I can go back and check if you want.

Here is the reasons:

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:55 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:33 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:01 pm I don’t catch your drift. Why is it anti-town to have my vote on someone who I think is suspicious? what of that idea is anti-town

why is ddl suspicious to you he ain't done nothin

a post like this when two posts later he says that Juliets is scum for asking about a day 1 vote for instance

Asking why he found DDL suspicious (a question he never answered) is disingenous? Because I had a scumread on someone else that I explained (even if it wasn't strong)? What!?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:01 pm almost switched to MR for the fun of it but by golly is that a terrible plan

This is almost too on-the-nose for me to believe it came from scum. It's hilarious if Tony is scum, and gives me an even bigger estimation of the man's cajones.

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There is no reaction to the flip.
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TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:39 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:23 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:19 am I think your argument can be boiled down to “Option 2 seems useless but at least pro-town” which is probably wrong on at least one side

I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.

that's not the scum team

I don't know if this was supposed to mean that Tony was one of these roles and is town, but... well yeah, I don't know. I should probably tag each WTF moment I have in this ISO for Tony to answer.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:40 am

112 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:48 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:23 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:19 am I think your argument can be boiled down to “Option 2 seems useless but at least pro-town” which is probably wrong on at least one side

I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.

I don't think we should assume affiliations are tied to roleplaying in any way. That's a bad way to run an open set-up game.

This is probably wrong too

Incorrect. Which is maybe a good look? Either that or Tony's being wrong on purpose after so much right-ness about the setup.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:19 pm I’m town. Process of elimination gives you my character and my power follows swiftly. I don’t think I’ll be around much in the following day phase, so please don’t try to lynch me.

POE does what now? I have no idea how we're supposed to guess TSP's character and/or power here. This post needs explained.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:15 pm I always suspect Juliets. I’m right sometimes.
I don’t think it’s MP come at me Hyena.

Since Juliets is another main suspect I thought I'd toss this up here. A couple posts from now he suggests lynching her. Possibly an indicator of 'not W/W'.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:40 pm I don't like the Sloonei secret lynch it seems wrong. I agree that we need to resolve the slot and having inactives towards game-end can be problematic, but it's still relatively early. There's no reason to assume long term that the slot will remain empty.

My scum reads converging on it as an option suggests that we have the possibility of double scum lynch in our options range here.

But possibly W/W with sloonei. Assuming the worst, I know.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:07 pm To Jack's earlier point, I noted very early that I think the best option is to go for the unpaired wolves, here Nutella and Juliets.

Which requires me to say something to MPs point about the possibility of neither of them being scum: well that would suck, wouldn't it? It's not that I distinctly haven't considered that possibility, but the spaces without one of them being scum are rather limited and we'd immediately be forced to consider more unlikely combinations. If we lynch both we get over the "this'll be an easy game" mentality that can sink so many towns sooner rather than later.

Suggesting the Juliets lynch with nutella, as I said earlier.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:18 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:17 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:14 pm I think we have to reconsider Jack.

We'd have to believe that the baddies would give up a role steal (role check) for a dubious clearance plan. They couldn't predict MR's death.

ops forgot mechanics
curses

MiNdSeT tElL

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:42 pm Calling it now Jules and LC.
I think this is also one of my previous calls so ya know some sort of stability here.

Would Tony kill off a potential mislynch (LC) on N2? A good look, one of about 4 in this ISO.
Would Tony shade Jules? 'Not W/W with Jules' look

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:42 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:23 pm Hey Tony, what are your reads right now?

I’m willing to townclear Jack. I think I’ll have an opportunity to examine Wilgy today — I don’t think he should be cleared long term for his derp, but it’s worth something.
Nanook and Hyena are the typical townreads. I’m less sure on both of them. I thought Hyena was scum early, but they’ve contributed a fair amount. Nanook probably sorts himself pretty quickly— there are obvious places to start for any sort of analysis. Your slot is vague and I haven’t played with you before (unless you count your first day), so I’m basically now trying to get ahold of your day 1 meta. That leaves Speed and Juliets. I cannot read Juliets. Nutella was pretty certain she was scum, but that softened towards the end and there’s always a certain town energy here to not lynch the rival train from the day before. Speed is left— I don’t think he’s playing like he had previous times I’ve seen him as scum, but he seems to me both the most likely to be scum and the most likely to provide information in his defense.
This is my participation for today, but Ive constructed a light schedule for myself tomorrow so I should be around more.

This starts with only Jack towncleared and then ends with a POE of just me and I'm not sure I understand that.

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There are other posts in the ISO but few of them stood out to me as negative or definitely positive. They were either filler or prodding questions or the like, which can be town or scum.
Tony is, in my estimation, a good candidate for lynch. There aren't any 'GOTCHA's in here on either side. A couple solid town pings, about 2-3 times as many solid negative pings. I'd love to hear opinions, and I'd love tony to clear up a few things.

Is it possible MP had given up on him and wanted to distance as much as possible? If MP could towncore himself into being that last slot of the POE, in MYLO, he might have had a chance.



Tony is one of the few who townread Wilgy, and is also less present than a lot of other people. AND he was in private chat with Wilgy, so wilgy had special insight to him. I sort of feel like that would make him more likely to kill wilgy last night.


(my gut still says it's nanook though.)

Wilgy and Tony townread each other though, right?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:42 am

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:38 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:36 am Obviously I'm alive, so I'm not going to complain about it too much.
I'm just still upset over that one game.

What game?

I don't remember the theme. g-man hosted and day 1 four townies randomly lynched my scum teammate while they were the only players around and nothing could be done about it. All four of them basically became lockcleared mechanically. It was miserable. Sloonei had a killer read on me at endgame though, so in some sense it was worth it.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:14 am drifty wolves are whimper not bang folks.
Maybe Juliets was just voicing a possible clear on me to try to get a town read from you when I flipped? It's weird. Voicing a solid in thread defense of a player who should inevitably be lynched I think generally works well if that player flips scum, but we've established from discussion today that that is what we would expect MP to have done if I were scum, so maybe it doesn't work so well.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:54 am Actually DDL and Nanook were together the only vote on MP.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:53 am Oh, the one from yesterday? I did respond to it, I thought. I didn't quote respond because it was long and I was on my phone, but I think I got at the major points. I can do something more in depth.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:47 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:42 am

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:39 am Someone remind me why we town cleared DDL. I can't remember the reason.

D1 radish push looked really good. He also initiated the MP switch for the DDL/Nanook crew yesterday, as I understand it.

I suggested we changed away from Wilgy, then went offline.

When I came back, Nanook had switched to MP and was trying to convince me to do the same.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:39 am Someone remind me why we town cleared DDL. I can't remember the reason.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:58 am I think I most suspect Speed at this point?

Which is weird cause I’d have called him my top townread a few days ago.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:34 pm Like what kind of a question is “if you’re alive at f3 and chuck and Jules flipped town and Tony’s alive too, would you consider he might be mafia?”

What am I gonna say, “no I’ll bury my head in the sand and try to TK chuck a second time?”

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:24 pm Speed, come vote Tony with me.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:27 pm I mean I don’t think I’m ever considering Tony before Chuck and Jules tbh


Hyena, I’m not going to plan for chuck to flip scum, because if chuck flips scum the game ends? That’s uh...pretty basic?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:27 pm I just don’t see it as likely that we had two mafia up yesterday

Plus I really want to be able to say I was right about tony all along