The Syndicate

I don't remember any of those people being in Mass Effect

Dom wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Hey Dom, is Raven your teammate?

Raven mentioned you once as a civ read w/o any context nor prior interaction. I'd bet afew bucks that if he's bad, you're his teammate.

i am not bad and i don't have btsc with raven.

Fredwood wrote:

Dom wrote:

Fredwood wrote: Dom - I really have no clue. The bulldoggedness about Jack's "rainbow slip" feels silly. But unless someone can tell me otherwise, it feels like tunneling and tunneling is kind of townie no? If I'm wrong let me know and I'll change my assessment on tunneling, I never really know what to make of it, INH tunneled on Diz last game and he was a neutral.

y ignore half of case?

To clarify, I'm not ignoring half the case, the fact that the whole Rainbow thing IS half your case is confusing to me. Just doesn't make much sense as a line of questioning/pressure. Jack is clearly on my ping list.

You did entirely mischaracterize what I pushed though.


I'm asking Jack to play ball on the nutella/mp issue. He reverts back to the rainbow issue time and time again. I wonder why.

Fair enough

TonyStarkPrime wrote:

Fredwood wrote:

TonyStarkPrime wrote: 2. I, before today, was confident that Nifty was town, but today his posts seem like he is fishing for an easy lynch if he can get it. I don't like that, especially considering I don't feel he has adequately clarified that suspicion well.


Vote on JOH, who I am pretty sure is scum

Says someone is scummy for trying to go after easy lynches, votes for an easy lynch.

Hypocrisy! Get him!
I don't have a problem with Nifty voting for Epi, I have a problem with Nifty trying to get others to vote for Nifty.

Isn't that the whole point of the day phase? Wilgy is trying to get people to vote for Gfish and IR, is that scummy?

Why did you vote for Jack instead of Nifty then? You laid a vote down on Jack with no explanation, but gave a reason to vote for Nifty but didn't.

Long Con wrote:

Fredwood wrote:8 is hard lynch right? Something something, low hanging fruit, something something.

Define "hard lynch".

Is there no majority hard lynch, just full on most at the end of 48? I don't see one, but I have been known to miss things >.> <.<

TonyStarkPrime wrote: 2. I, before today, was confident that Nifty was town, but today his posts seem like he is fishing for an easy lynch if he can get it. I don't like that, especially considering I don't feel he has adequately clarified that suspicion well.


Vote on JOH, who I am pretty sure is scum

Says someone is scummy for trying to go after easy lynches, votes for an easy lynch.

8 is hard lynch right? Something something, low hanging fruit, something something.

sprityo wrote:

Fredwood wrote:

sprityo wrote: But there are currently bigger fish to fry in my opinion instead of Gfish.

Who are they?

points at who i'm voting for

That one. I'm interested in that one.

he still hasnt answered my question from day 1 still im pretty sure, but if he has i apologize in advance

Which question? The only one I see is who he would save between Wilgy, MP and Fish.

Oh Jack...yeah he seems to be popular. It's a cacophony of dissension.

sprityo wrote: But there are currently bigger fish to fry in my opinion instead of Gfish.

Who are they?

DrWilgy wrote:

Fredwood wrote:Jesus Wilgy, I really hope you're not scum. You could probably convince me I was scum at this point...why the hell did town lynch you day 1 in Phenom?

I got nk'd homie. Is this why you said congratz for living lol?

Oh derp, I knew you died early, town lynched sig and we scumkilled Nacho...Silver vig'd you.

And yeah, I had it in my mind they lynched you.

Jesus Wilgy, I really hope you're not scum. You could probably convince me I was scum at this point...why the hell did town lynch you day 1 in Phenom?

Dom wrote:

Fredwood wrote: Dom - I really have no clue. The bulldoggedness about Jack's "rainbow slip" feels silly. But unless someone can tell me otherwise, it feels like tunneling and tunneling is kind of townie no? If I'm wrong let me know and I'll change my assessment on tunneling, I never really know what to make of it, INH tunneled on Diz last game and he was a neutral.

y ignore half of case?

To clarify, I'm not ignoring half the case, the fact that the whole Rainbow thing IS half your case is confusing to me. Just doesn't make much sense as a line of questioning/pressure. Jack is clearly on my ping list.

Was just talking through my suspicions and why I didn't like the vote, and it turned into a basic rainbow. That's where I'm at, I don't want to vote for Fish or IR right now lol.

Biggest issue is I'm not sold on the options. Jack....."shrug" maybe I can see it, but he's still claiming work.

I buy Epi, not sure why LC is voting for him, don't see the aha in his aha moment.

Gfish I'm not buying as scum either.

I like WIlgy, and LC spelled out a claim for everyone which I don't feel like mafia would do, but at the same time it's an easy way to garner cover. Adam is still null but his interactions have at least attempted to engage and illicit.

I am very interested in Wilgy's interest in nutella, but she did answer and it feels like a gut feeling. SVS felt genuine in her interactions so far.

That leaves:

SIlver - Still feels like he's playing a parody of himself instead of actually playing himself...it's a shitty reason for suspicion because it's hard to pin down why I think that, but I said it before it feels like he's relying too much on his reputation for being aggressive, and not actually being aggressive.

Dom - I really have no clue. The bulldoggedness about Jack's "rainbow slip" feels silly. But unless someone can tell me otherwise, it feels like tunneling and tunneling is kind of townie no? If I'm wrong let me know and I'll change my assessment on tunneling, I never really know what to make of it, INH tunneled on Diz last game and he was a neutral.

Spirit - Null, nothing he's done has been overtly civ or overtly scum, no experience with him to generate a read on his behavior.

Nifty - It's either been a long time since I've played with him, or we haven't played together that much. So it's really a null read as well. It feels like he's not pressuring people enough to be obvious but just enough to be used as a cover.

IR - I want to give him the benefit of the doubt

TSP - not a lot of interaction. Feels typical, but it's also typical for people to use this method to skate.

MP - generated a lot of content day 1...don't think it means much of anything, but I wouldn't be interested in really pursuing a lynch right now because of the type of player he appears to be when he's engaged.

Diz - well feels Diz??? Again nothing really pinging me but then again not a ton of interaction.

So TLDR:

Biggest pings:
Jack, Silver, nut, TSP, Nifty

Totally confused by: LC and Dom

Null:Adam, Spirit, IR, MP, Diz

OK with for now: Wilgy, SVS, Epi, Fish.

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:People who have voted for me so far.

gfishfunk
CaptainNifty
Adam
Long Con

People who have listed their voters:

Epignosis

This could go on for a while.

Dyslexicon wrote:Anyone want to buy my vote today?

First come, first served.

I'll trade you a nickle for that pickle.

DrWilgy wrote:

Adam wrote:I am removing my vote from Epi and placing it on Raven

I want to see some more posts from IR.

How active is Raven normally?

Nifty, Gfish, how do you feel about Adam's swap?

Linki - Neat. Now let's just band together and lymch Gfish.

Last I checked Raven was recovering from some serioius surgery and even said that he was retiscent to sign up. So I wouldn't put too much stock in what Raven typically does as defense or damning evidence.

See, I knew that's who I was thinking as well. The most self-targeting self-targeter in the game.

I just didn't want to blow up a spot, there's still a couple who I guess could technically self-target, but not sure they would be allowed to within the rules.

Long Con wrote:

Fredwood wrote:I also didn't say I was more suspicious of you then Epi, I said you both were pinging slightly green because of the interaction.

I think they're teammates.

Seriously? You think this is a mutual bussing? I love bussing as much as the next guy so kudos if they are.

I also didn't say I was more suspicious of you then Epi, I said you both were pinging slightly green because of the interaction.

gfishfunk wrote:

Long Con wrote:So, Freud would say you think Epi is fake-claiming, is that correct?

I assume you mean me as Fred is more suspicious of me than Epi.

I inherently find hint claiming suspicious. I don't think s/he is fake claiming. I don't think s/he is claiming at all and hiding behind righteous ambiguity.

lol no, I think he's calling your first post a Freudian slip. Though I'm not sure if I'm honored or offended that I'm mistaken for Freud.

Long Con wrote:So, Freud would say you think Epi is fake-claiming, is that correct?

How is it a fake claim if he doesn't know who he is claiming? Or that he is in fact claiming. I never thought it was a hint claim, my assumption of his role was based off a mechanics response to the roleblock.

CaptainNifty wrote:

DrWilgy wrote: I think Epi is trying. He even linked posts from a game he hosted. What makes you uncomfortable? Is it the "home site unity?" Is it the means that caused you to vote together?

It makes me uncomfortable that I'm on the vote with adam and gfish. I'm feeling better about adam, but I'm still not quite to him being civ. I'm not remotely convinced on gfish. He's making sense, but I don't like it that he's one of the most suspicious people and I'm sharing the lynch with him.

@Epi
All information is good information. Even with extra roles we can still catch people in bad claims.

In the realms we have historically relied too heavily on info-dumps. Over the course of the last year as we've had people who have played on other sites bring those play styles to the Realms, we've made a conscious effort to rely less on info-dumps. However, Syndicate's revulsion to info dumping and role-claiming is crazy to me. The problem in the Realms is that it's a tool we relied on too much, but to completely ignore a tool is debilitating for the town. Withholding info is almost always detrimental to the town. I know Jack has been spending too much time here because he helped teach me that, and got lynched in a game in HCR because he withheld info.

How is it withholding info? If he info-dumps it doesn't clear anything up in the slightest. Now if there was solid evidence that required a claim and he still withheld, then yes, I would agree that withholding is counter-productive, but I don't see anything coming close to solid evidence point to his scumminess.

Additionally it behooves him not to claim, not claiming keeps him around. Mafia shouldn't be likely to kill him because he's a source of heat that can distract from them, and with the amount of non-realms players he's not likely to get lynched for refusing to claim.

Epignosis wrote:

Spoiler: show

gfishfunk wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I have to leave for forty minutes. See if you can work out my role.

Time starts...now.

In that time I plan on running out for a haircut and will do no such thing. My vote stays.

CaptainNifty wrote:

S~V~S wrote:
I am not dismissing anything; but it IS a leap, especially since the protector role is not dead. It is also possible that someone missed a PM or one of the role switchers was at work. This is a super complex role list, and while what you say is super possible, it is certainly not conclusive.

Overall, I like this post, but I'm not sure I follow everything you are saying. What do you mean by missed a PM. I don't know how it works in the Syndicate, but in the Realms if the faction has to kill they can't get around it by not sending in a PM.

Epignosis wrote:Here's something to chew on:

If I am bad and on a team, I'm usually not going to be the one carrying out the kill. Can you guess why?

But y'all go ahead with yay role blocks if you want to. Civilians are fucked if that's the operating procedure.

Epignosis wrote: Worried? Not at all, but I will lose my shit if I'm lynched because someone role blocked me and the kill was missed.

That's elementary-level analysis. In a set-up that involves a dead protector, a living blocker, and a killer, and that's it, okay fine. You got me. Them's the breaks.

In this? Not straightforward at all. I don't fault fish for realizing he has a clue, but I do think it's lazy if he lynches me. I didn't try to kill anybody, so fish's block is irrelevant, and was sadly wasted.

For those who experienced it, does RotTK N1 mean anything?

Your first argument is ridiculously weak.

Someone has said you were blocked last night and there wasn't a kill. You could potentially end this by saying, "Well, you wasted your block I did nothing." or "Well, I tried to X." or "I'm character X."

You have 3 votes against you, maybe that's not enough to get you to talk and I can respect that. I've played 1 day real day phase with you guys, and I'm doing my best to try to adapt to the way you guys do things, while still bringing something from HCR. It may not be how you do things here, but there is value to this line of inquiry.

You guys act like I care about your little "pressure votes." It's cute. I have no intention to vote to save myself if it comes to that. If you want my lynch, you will have it, and you will have to deal with two poor lynches in a row.

You know what else is cute? That some think you can figure out who is bad by getting people to claim. That isn't going to work. Know how come?

There are eleven civilians. There are twenty-three civilian roles listed. There are six mafia and two independents.

Twenty-three minus eleven leaves twelve. That's twelve roles to spare, and I bet you they're not sitting there just for show. So if your game plan is to make people claim and then see who counterclaims, you're doing it wrong. There won't be any counterclaiming.

YUSSSSS. Though it's not about counter claiming. Realms haven't had any experience with open or semi-open set ups often, so I will step in and say that isn't the reason fish wants a claim.

Realms SOP is for pressure on a player to build and then the generally approved practice is to have the one being pressured claim, so then they can debate on the merits and likelyhood of a claim. This leads to a wifom arguments constantly because there those power roles that are considered to be strong claims and those power roles that tend to be weak claims, and doesn't relieve the pressure.

I really hate the random pressure trains (or weak pressure trains), I've railed about it constantly and find it to be the most infuriating thing to come up against as a town member (and as a result a part of the reason I really hate voting unless I'm sure of my target), because the outcomes really don't end up in a net useful scenario for town.

Strong Power role claim:
1. If the pressure target is scum, it's a win win, it buys them time, or outs the real power.
2. If the pressure target is town, then a road map has been drawn for scum, and if they have RT powers can find more helpful town roles to night kill. Or midsirection powers they make that power role essentially vanilla.


It only really works if it's a weak power claim and it's an immediate lynch and it turns out to be scum. Otherwise, the town will waste time debating the claim for the next 3 phases without getting things accomplished.

Then there are people who actually take a stand and refuse to submit to the pressure and sometimes the town will lynch them, but there is also fear for lynching them because they're viewed as an easy lynch.

I will say that Gfish's pressure isn't random and between other players suspicion of you and his tenuous evidence. I sitll don't think there needs to be a full claim. From my experience, even in a power heavy game in Phenom, that without massive claims (until end game) there wasn't a whole lot of difficulty for town to suss out scum after day 1 without random pressure voting or claiming.

I'm just really enjoying the whole "You have votes on you claim"

"No, Fuck you" nature of this reaction to pressure voting.

I guess I don't then, was basing it off something specific, and what role and power is likely to fit with that criteria. Maybe I'm zeroing in one something too specific and am missing a broader context clue. All three roles are civ roles though.

DrWilgy wrote:I think I have a wide enough range of views for a read list atm.

Confident civ - LC, Epi, SVS
Feeling good - Nifty, Fredwood
Suspect - Gfish, Raven, Hazlenut

Any questions?

Why are SVS and nut where they are? SVS and Nut seemed to be the strongest circumstantial case for Epi being scum (at least for me), so why the separation on your reads list?

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:I know I know!

Only one winner?

Hey I get a prize too, I'm pretty sure, if it's not who I think it is, there's only one or two other things it could be.

Long Con wrote:

Fredwood wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@LC

I agree with Nifty's meta analysis of the Bob kill. The last Hybridity aside, Realms players tend to kill threats. "Bob is smart and may catch us. Kill Bob. Link will get himself lynched eventually. Ignore Link at night." We may have discussed this during Phenom?

GFish's "I blocked Epi" play is a GFishian play. As town, he goes for this lead to potentially get scum. As scum, he goes for this to potentially catch opposing scum/mislynch and to look like town GFish. It's a null look, imo. But it's definitely not a bad look and I'd disagree with anyone who says this is a reach and therefore GFish is bad. Without looking at the player list, I lean towards GFish being a blocker. That is, he only does this as town if he really has a block and is significantly more likely to do this as scum if he (or a teammate) really blocked Epi.

I agree with your analysis on Fred. Fred is only scum if someone counterclaims Joker (unlikely) or if Bob's role was forged (also unlikely?).

Again I still disagree on the NK assesment of a N1 Bobkill. I don't see the kill strong players n1 meta as much anymore, because the meta shifted to protecting or info gathering on strong players n1. Now with the limited power structure of this game, maybe I can see killing the strongest player. But with as much Syndicate as Realms players and how the game is also geared towards their style of play I don't know if people would consider the Bob the biggest threat to them in this game anyway because of the strength of the Syndicate players, maybe they view Bob as the strongest Realms player and then NK him, but that feels like a shitty reason to kill Bob N1 in a crossover. Like I said, I still feel Bob was the most neutral or random kill they could come up with.

I also believe this is likely:

"Who should we kill?"
"People think Bob is Civ, so he won't be getting lynched."
"Good call, let's kill him."

Maybe both teams targeted Bob as well.

I think that's very likely as well, and was part of my argument, but not a strongly emphasized part of it.

I hadn't thought of that, there really isn't any Write up clues to discredit or credit it, so it's just another detraction for the whole RB evidence thread.

DrWilgy wrote:

gfishfunk wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Were you that confident in your read of Epi? That was the important one.

Confident enough to use it. I wanted to interact with someone outside the realms. His posts right around end phase struck me as someone happy with the lynch and happy to not have his name attached. You can disagree with the read or with my ability to analyze, but its what I did.

It doesn't take a rb to interact. It's not a matter of disagreeing, more so not believing.

Here's why -
1. Open roleclaim without soft investment beforehand.
2. The doctor is dead making role blocks more important. You can't throw them willy-nilly.
3. You used a roleblock on someone you don't know, your read on a player you know would be better and more warranting of a rb.

I don't think you were confident enough to declare a role block. It's not an alignment check. There's no definitive answer.

Syndicate point of view: Epi will never be sent to kill N1. He has the highest amount of wins as mafia on the site.

You also have ignored my claim regarding Epi's alignment altogether. Why? I didn't see a single comment regarding it.

JoH, vote Gfish before you can't counter your own wagon w/o voting Epi. If it came down to you and Epi I'd vote you.

I really like this post.

Long Con wrote:

gfishfunk wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:I agree with your analysis on Fred. Fred is only scum if someone counterclaims Joker (unlikely) or if Bob's role was forged (also unlikely?).

Whats forged? I don't think I've seen that term.

And no - the haircut guys couldn't get me in yet when I called them - but its going to look amazing.

I used to have hair. Then I started to have less hair, so I decided to go with no hair. Enjoy your hair, haired one!

@Jack Hybridity looks like something right up my alley. I love superheroes, I love lots of role powers, I love cool storylines, and I love a good, cohesive series.

Forgers make a player seem to have a different role when they get lynched. That's what it was in Phenon, my first Forger experience.

Although I have toyed with it a little in the past. In Mafia: A World Apart (my first solo-hosted game) I made up the Seemer, who looks like whatever role they like for rolecheckers and upon death, and I had an Illusionist, who could influence the host posts and add misinformation. Heh heh he made the Living Statue look like they killed someone at night, and the town lynched their outed, unkillable, protector.
Delicious!

Yeah I love mafia Ghostwriters (What we call your illusionists over at the Realms) it easily adds so much mayhem to the game that's it's so much fun to have as a mod, not so much for town though.

gfishfunk wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:I agree with your analysis on Fred. Fred is only scum if someone counterclaims Joker (unlikely) or if Bob's role was forged (also unlikely?).

Whats forged? I don't think I've seen that term.

And no - the haircut guys couldn't get me in yet when I called them - but its going to look amazing.

It was a role in the last game we played (I was the forger coincidentally), where it was essentially a janitor, but after a mod mistake they allowed us to flip the alignment of a player so they appeared to be the opposite of their alignment upon death.

The role didn't have that much power to actually change the role to something specific, and because of the set up I don't see any forger in the power list (unless I just missed it) so it's unlikely and is probably Jack just CYA.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@LC

I agree with Nifty's meta analysis of the Bob kill. The last Hybridity aside, Realms players tend to kill threats. "Bob is smart and may catch us. Kill Bob. Link will get himself lynched eventually. Ignore Link at night." We may have discussed this during Phenom?

GFish's "I blocked Epi" play is a GFishian play. As town, he goes for this lead to potentially get scum. As scum, he goes for this to potentially catch opposing scum/mislynch and to look like town GFish. It's a null look, imo. But it's definitely not a bad look and I'd disagree with anyone who says this is a reach and therefore GFish is bad. Without looking at the player list, I lean towards GFish being a blocker. That is, he only does this as town if he really has a block and is significantly more likely to do this as scum if he (or a teammate) really blocked Epi.

I agree with your analysis on Fred. Fred is only scum if someone counterclaims Joker (unlikely) or if Bob's role was forged (also unlikely?).

Again I still disagree on the NK assesment of a N1 Bobkill. I don't see the kill strong players n1 meta as much anymore, because the meta shifted to protecting or info gathering on strong players n1. Now with the limited power structure of this game, maybe I can see killing the strongest player. But with as much Syndicate as Realms players and how the game is also geared towards their style of play I don't know if people would consider the Bob the biggest threat to them in this game anyway because of the strength of the Syndicate players, maybe they view Bob as the strongest Realms player and then NK him, but that feels like a shitty reason to kill Bob N1 in a crossover. Like I said, I still feel Bob was the most neutral or random kill they could come up with.

Serious Fred Hat*

I have a good idea, but there is also a couple of other options as well. I have it at least narrowed down to 3.

Realmsers don't like vaguery though. I feel like John Attenborough right now, this is so exciting.

Series fred hat. At this point I'm inclined to slightly green both of you. It's dangerous for Scum to push hard for a claim even on the realms and the meta there. Epi's hints are good enough for me to green him as well, and chalk it up to a superiority complex and nut and SVS are rusty or scummy enough to use you as a whipping post.

Yeah, the good old info drop debate. Might be easier to get some people to crap with their clothes on then info dump. There's a big enough group of Cindy Kate players that wouldn't lynch for not infodumping as there are Realms guys that would.

This was the most interesting thing I was looking forward to in this crossover, how this would play out.

(Observes intently)

Dunno, I think I curse often, even when I mod. Just in realms it comes up pound signs. Me cursing is not indicative of me being hateful, it's just me being me. Science has proven that there is a correlation between superior intellect and profanity.

Between that and how messy my sink is, I'm a fucking genius.


(The sink thing is a Bukowski reference when he said the smarter a person is the messier their sink is.)

DrWilgy wrote:

gfishfunk wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

gfishfunk wrote:Re: DrWigly: I am not terribly concerned about not getting killed tonight.

Just a quick ctrl F search shows all possible roleblock roles on the front page if you all want to take a look. There are six roles that can roleblock, all alliance. I think all are one-shots (if I am not misreading or skipping one). There are no dedicated Roleblocks.

Are you a one shot? What prompted you to use it day 1? Were you that confident in your read of Epi?

All roleblocks are one-shots.

I tend to use powers rather than let them linger and potentially go unused after I am dead.

Were you that confident in your read of Epi? That was the important one.


@Nifty, I'd say that I don't have hatred in my posts or tone. I'd think it's more respect. I look to adress players, suspicion, and thoughts within the game in a respectful manner for that of a humorously sane intellectual. What key words led you to read a tone of hate?

He was saying I was throwing hate, when I just like having a potty mouth.

On N1 I mean.

gfishfunk wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Immortal_Raven wrote:
For what it's worth, I don't think bob got killed because people read him as civ. bob got killed because someone from the Realms told their buddies that the longer bob stayed around the worse it would be for them. Jack is prone to having the town turn against him, I_R was too quiet yesterday to be a factor in the decision, gfish was too suspect to be a good target. I'm never a N1 kill, I don't become dangerous until the midgame. Silver is also under a lot of suspicion and is likely to set himself on fire and take people with him. From a Realms perspective a non-faction cbob or adam are the best first night, and adam has been off his game.

That last paragraph is interesting. I'd like to hear some Realmsfolk weigh in on it.

I don't disagree, but I tend to believe that scum plays more opportunistically. My own first night kill targets tend to be more gut feel than a meta-analysis, other than staying away from players that have had hard runs or recently had night 1 deaths.

I think its more possible that scum teams comprised of primarily one side or another (syndicate v. hcrealms) would wind up targeting someone from the other site to avoid meta - especially since we discussed meta so heavily yesterday.

I guess it depends on your fear of Bob maybe. A couple of years ago maybe this is true where the meta was kill the best players first. The games I've played in recently at the realms are no longer like this, or maybe it is and now the opinions greatly differ.

I tend to randomly kill, or kill the most neutral player I can possibly pick on N1. So if I were on the scum team a Bob kill means literally nothing. If someone like me dies, it was likely random, I'm not considered a scumhunting threat. So all that to say
I've never learned much by trying to decipher scum kill targets.

I think more damning then the RB is the pinging of those he normally plays with. The RB is just giving him an excuse to deflect any and all shade on him as unfounded. RB at this point is just distracting because we're arguing about that now instead of the actual heat.

CaptainNifty wrote:

gfishfunk wrote:

Fredwood wrote:So Saren is in the game, I'm vanilla now.

Kinda sucks, not as much as EDI dying (sniff)

I didn't initially follow this, but Wigly(?) connected the dots for me. Still, Why would you jump to the Saren thing instead of reading your own damn role? This might have been a mistake (Lord knows I've made similar in mafia), but I don't think you'll ever be able to get out of the yellow now for me.

Like I give a shit, I'm pointless now anyway. Lynch me or don't who gives a fuck all I am is a vote, which is silly on a player who doesn't vote that often. Don't really care if you or LC think it's impossible to make a quick assumption in the moment, overlook something, and then be wrong, yep impossible. There would be no point for me to claim Joker if I wasn't fucking Joker.

Now who's being ominous.

Essentially, since I went and outed it then later I realized what really happened. Either way I'm vanilla now, so it's not as if it matters much.

Damnit I though I had some helpful information to add, guess not. Of to a great start, lynch our doctor and lose our bodyguard.

Long Con wrote:Damn, so

Jeff “Joker” Moreau
You and EDI have forged a unique relationship in the cockpit of the Normandy. The ship and its crew rely heavily upon the both of you to handle its operation and navigation. You work much better together than you do separately. If either of you dies, the other will be stripped of any special abilities and become vanilla. If you are in the game, EDI is guaranteed to be in the game as well.

Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may select a player A and a Player B. Actions performed by Player A will be targeted to Player B, and actions performed by Player B will be targeted to Player A. They must be two different players.

...loses his power and becomes vanilla as well. Lame.

Oh well, I guess that makes more sense lol.

So Saren is in the game, I'm vanilla now.

Kinda sucks, not as much as EDI dying (sniff)

DrWilgy wrote:

Fredwood wrote:Congrats on surviving Day 1 Wilgy

Well that's ominous.

You gotta have more thoughts on me than just that.

Not really I have no context for a read. And I haven't iso'd anyone at this point. its general thoughts from catching up.

S~V~S wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Err alignment indicative.

There used to be someone who played here, Kate, who retired from Mafia. She could ALWAYS pull me out of a hat when bad. When she finally told me why, it was pretty basic. It was smilies and typos. When I was civ, I just typed and posted to get my thoughts out into the thread. When I was bad, I crafted that post. I proofed it and I put the approporiate smilies in the appropriate places.

She said she did not have to even read what I said, she just saw all the smilies and she knew.

So things like that can be alignment indicative. They aren't always for everyone, or even for most people. but they can be for some people.

Yeah, but contextual tells are a lot different then a giant gif. I expect if it was anything that was alignment indicative it would be compensated for.

I made the gif comment as a joke, it wasn't a serious accusation. I put as much weight in the lack of gifs as I do in the great Jack buddying conspiracy debate.