The Syndicate

Thanks for the host

Yeah, got stuck in a G-Man thing early, and the Whole Mac thing bugged me every time he said something more made me scum read him more. Which is strange because I never really scum read to begin with. Though I was never "melting down". Also a 2 person AFK vote on the 4th, first mislynch I recall in quite some time maybe ever, funny it went down like that.

Was right on DF, and I should have followed my suspicion on Spirit but got distracted by G-Man. So was off and didn't have a great game, but was only off because I got too into my hard reads. I do think I would have eventually come down on Wilgy, but DDL would have been distracting as well.

Good job by Wilgy to kind of stay out of everything until the end game. His pushes on Dyz and switch to Tink make a lot of sense now.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:53 am Fredwood is still bad obviously. He scum slipped.

And you still flinched like a red headed stepchild.

Nice revisionist history though.

Well they were lynching a civ no matter what, so.

Well I'm self pressing so...

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:08 pm @Gman
1. Fredwood, the other 3 are unlikely
2. Eloh, followed by Dizzy (where did dizzy go?). Domoquin is interchangeable as they are still afk.
3. DDL

@DF, Eloh had pinged me towards the end of last cycle with the Tink claim. What were your thoughts on this?

I am somewhat made hesitant from Eloh taking the lead while I was away.

There's four others from G-Man's list not 3.

Does anyone have the day 2 vote? I know LC, Spirit and Eloh were on boo. I don't recall the others and the polls thread has a the missing link thing.
If LC wasn't dead I would have easily put him in the possible scum with Spirit group.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:01 pm Also he mentions Mac twice as someone as he'd like to give evolution points, or am I misconstruing that information? His reason for giving an evolution point to Dom and Mac on day 1 are similar and that it has more to do with his history. But then amends his list and takes Dom off because he hasn't shown up after day 1, but leaves Mac on who also hasn't shown up.

Why eliminate one but not the other in that case?

I'm getting too close to confbias here, so I should probably stop extrapolating. So I will let someone else answer the question I guess

Edited within posts.

Also he mentions Mac twice as someone as he'd like to give evolution points, or am I misconstruing that information? His reason for giving an evolution point to Dom and Mac are similar and that it has more to do with his history. But then amends his list and takes Dom off because he hasn't shown up, but leaves Mac on who also hasn't shown up.

Why eliminate one but not the other in that case?

I'm getting to confbia here, so I should probably stop extrapolating.

1. Me and Never, and stretch for Tink...so taking myself out for me it's Never. Though attacking your list could be cover for just trying to protect himself. If he's defending collectively, a town flip for any of those other people discredits your reads in general.

2. That's rough, I can say I doubt you and Boo would be teammates, the rest are a lot of low activity and Wilgy. So it makes sense to throw a low activity teammate. I would feel really bad for Spirit if his team was him/Mac and Dom...how horrible.

3. Obviously omitting Mac stands out, he listed all the other low activity players but him in his look into list. I think he said though he likes playing with Mac earlier, so it could be WIFOM. I can see potential for a DF and DDL possibility.

Ah, yeah I'll agree with that.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:57 pm I feel that if we lynch Elo today and she flips civ, there will be an assumptive rush to lynch Fred tomorrow. I can't say the same is true if we lynch Fred today and he flips civ.

Not sure how I'm tied to Eloh, I counter voted her day 2. Pretty sure if I get lynched it will be for reasons independent of Eloh's flip, no one has even mentioned that.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:09 pm I just unwon a game of mafia.

https://forums.hero-academia.com/thread ... 14/page-48

Such a troll rez.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:51 pm Ha Yeah I was scum, and I was playing bambi. I got triggered by something, looks like day 1 and golden and spirit talked me down after asking for a replacement.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 81#p335481

Along with it being tonally different, the things I'm being aggressive with Mac/DDL and last phase G-Man, are content related not really personal I guess. In fact the majority of personality attacks have come from them iirc.

I come off strong, I think I made 5 people vote or threaten to vote for themselves in Mass Effect and I never even voted for them. I'm not afraid of being wrong and over representing a read to press someone to see if their response to the pressure and how it lines up with that read.

IE Macs response to my pressure being erratic and evasive, until the post you quoted, in which he still doesn't allow that there is a possibility for scum to vote for a teammate in that scenario instead attacking my logic. As opposed to my row with G-man last phase and his response satisfied me.

I think it's interesting that an early phase 2 on 1 the narrative is being dictated by the 2 agitators actively trying provoke an emotional response and it is being so easily parroted by others, and now DDL can't run fast enough away from the fire.

Edited within post

Ha Yeah I was scum, and I was playing bambi. I got triggered by something, looks like day 1 and golden and spirit talked me down after asking for a replacement.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 81#p335481

Along with it being tonally different, the things I'm being aggressive with Mac/DDL and last phase G-Man, are content related not really personal I guess. In fact the majority of personality attacks have come from them iirc.

I come off strong, I think I made 5 people vote or threaten to vote for themselves and I never even voted for them. I'm not afraid of being wrong and over representing a read and pressing someone to see if their response to the pressure and how it lines up with that read.

IE Macs response to my pressure being erratic and evasive, until the post you quoted, in which he still doesn't allow that there is a possibility for scum to vote for a teammate in that scenario. As opposed to my row with G-man last phase and his response satisfied me.

I think it's interesting that an early phase 2 on 1 the narrative is being dictated by the 2 agitators actively trying provoke an emotional response and it is being so easily parroted by others, and now DDL can't run fast enough away from the fire.

It was Phenom, not sure the day, but it's the legit time I remember ever blowing up. I can go diving for it

Emotional, smh. I've been emotional one time during a mafia game, ask Quin. I don't see how aggressive ='s emotional.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:36 am Who here still thinks Mac is bad?

Also, unless we had 2 mafia in the running for lynching last night (which I doubt), Eloh was right about Tink. This pings me, and what pings me is the soft voice she used while making this post.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:14 pm Why tink? Because she's quiet? I really think if you're civ, you ought to keep tink around. I doubt she is bad. She is on vacation too and very busy with water slides all day long like me.

The bolded portions do nothing but weaken her opinion on the matter, it's like she wanted to he committed to this claim but wasn't fully there.

I guess why this stands out, is because I fully expected either tink or eloh to die last night if they were both civilians.

Thoughts?

Why would Tink or Eloh be killed if they were both civs over a G-Man or Nut? Eloh looks worse today then she has previously, and while Tink is clear for a few phases it's not as if she's a lock clear. I agree that I don't think it was a W/W wagon though, but others are still open to that possibility.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:40 am

Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:34 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:23 am Your ping on me was based on me being right about who I voted for. You need better pings.

Now see, it's posts like these is why we can't be friends.

I gave you a meh clear, there's perfectly valid reasons for afk scum to come in and throw a vote on a teammate like that.

All my pings that you got is the chest thumping shortly after EOD after being quiet beforehand, and your reaction to me even suggesting there could be an alternate non-town motivation to your vote.

Okay bozo.

1. What's a meh clear? Is that some kind of throat lozenge?

2. You still haven't clarified this. You suggested that it was convenient that I appeared just after sprityo's flip as though to imply that I was around beforehand. You also suggested that if I was town and I was around (which you would need to be resigned to as fact to even reach this line of thought) I would have been pushing harder for my sprityo vote given that according to me I had a huge read on him (I didn't, I just trust my gut pings on early game posts and they are right 9 times out of 10 no hyperbole, I was just having some fun after the flip because I was excited).

So you are implying that I was here before the flip, by virtue of the coincidental timing of my celebratory posts, and that I am unlikely to be town because if I was, I would be pushing my sprityo votes sooner. Yet if I was Mafia and I was online before the end of day I would have had to have been being intentionally silent while sprityo got put into tie vote while my own vote which would easily be perceived as a chaos vote that meant nothing ergo could easily be moved without anyone really being able to hold it against me (and which exhibits behaviour that is demonstrably in line with both my mafia and my town meta), was still on sprityo. I simply could have moved my vote to the other person who had votes (assuming that all three of us are not Mafia friendz, which we definitely are).

So for your arguments to hold water, you would be required to believe that I was

1. Around at end of day before the lynch
2. Am Mafia
3. Intentionally threw a vote on teammate sprityo as my first post
4. Chose not to remove said vote at any time despite being able to
5. Likely a teammate of the other vote getter

Given the leaps of logic required to reach this conclusion as a genuine case I choose to believe that you didn't put any real thought into the hypothesis you were proposing lest you would have realised that it was highly improbable. This is most likely because of having an emotional reaction to my gesticulating about the flip ... probably because you were upset about said flip and feeling exposed as a result of having softly attempted to prevent the lynch of the deceased mafioso.

tl;dr u bad now faint

1. A meh clear, is just that, I'm clearing him, but not locking him clear.

2. It was pretty clear my initial reaction to your "celebratory posts" were. You made them 5 minutes after EOD, you made one post threw it down and then don't say anything rest of the phase. So you come in strong and just take credit for lynch. Do you think it's an unreasonable expectancy to think if you were there 5 minutes after lynch that you were not around before it? Why does a town that's there not push or even reiterate his read harder? It doesn't clash with the possibility that you were an AFK scum that bussed a teammate to buy town equity. The timing isn't damning it was interesting, and really isn't the issue currently. If you truly were just coincidentally around 5 minutes after EOD but not before that's fine, but it really isn't provable or pertinent. It was just the reason for my initial concern.

As to your special 90 percent day 1 accurate scum read, I've seen no verification from anyone else that it's that high or accurate, so I'm just inclined to think it's Hyperbole. If I was that accurate on one post reads I'd be a lot more aggressive after all this time on them.

As to implications, I think, you're reading a lot into my stating a possibility. A number of those things can be true, in a scenario where you are mafia though, a Spirit lynch is the best outcome for the team to deflect heat from you, you need a flip to get a successful bus. So I'm not sure why you would think that a scum would make a switch there, it defeats the whole purpose of the vote in the first place. Not arguing and arguing for the lynch...is w/e, you already said you weren't there, it has no bearing on the discussion really.

2nd list

1. Around at end of day before the lynch
Nope, you can be mafia and still not be around at EOD. The timing, again, is just an additional thing that makes one go hmm. The vote and actions wren't a clear. It wasn't a particularly strong argument, and didn't appear to be influential to anyone that voted.

2. Am Mafia
Um yeah? For you to be mafia you'd have to be mafia.

3. Intentionally threw a vote on teammate sprityo as my first post
Yep, you're coming in at a disadvantage if you're an AFK scum. I've seen active scum hardbuss both teammates with much more enthusiasm then your one post to create town equity. If the whole mafia team wins, what does it matter? In fact it's an optimal play for a Scum Team with an inactive to make. If you were scum, I don't see how you're going to avoid suspicion for the rest of the game without "catching" any. So it's either coast til POE or make a power move.


4. Chose not to remove said vote at any time despite being able to


Again, I'm not sure why you would move to save Spirit at EOD (IF YOU WERE HERE). That's a good way to put both of you on an auto-lynch. At that point you're locked into the Spirit vote no matter what happens.

5. Likely a teammate of the other vote getter


What? I don't think you and Tink are teammates. I think it's possible you could be teammates with someone who voted for Tink.

I had no negative emotional response to the flip, in fact I was excited for it because we had 5 strong leads for the next phase. You stumbling in loudly and obnoxiously just made me look at you more closely.

Frankly my concerns now are less to do with your EOD activity or lack thereof, it's your back and forth. Pushing an to a motivation of an LC kill as a possible frame to frame me. I mean it's kind of absurd even for a meta that enjoys NK analysis.

Additionally, your entire argument hinges on my argument against you. Mine is based off your interactions with the thread, Spirit and me.

Explain how me opening Tink before Spirit was openly discussed as a lynch option, getting a lynch majority wagon on her, then jumping off of her at EOD thus giving Spirit a lead fits in a Spirit/Fred wolf team? What about G-Man's and my squabble? What's your take away from that? How about how I threw some shade at Spirit after EOD Day 2 for a similar reason I threw shade at you and got a reaction out of him? What about Day 2 EOD? Do you think me tying the vote so the lynch wouldn't be decided by Eloh was bad or good for town? Do you think the analysis I gave on players and what their flips mean for other players is incorrect and manipulative? I mean I'm asking for you to make me faint, but you haven't yet, so I'll give you another opportunity to give more fuel to your fire.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:41 am

On top of that we're obviously headed to a Thunderdome, which will be fun.

I pass. This will only make me want to lynch you more. I'm already lynching you so I don't need to add an ingredient of bias to it.

The we does not include you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:23 am Your ping on me was based on me being right about who I voted for. You need better pings.

Now see, it's posts like these is why we can't be friends.

I gave you a meh clear, there's perfectly valid reasons for afk scum to come in and throw a vote on a teammate like that.

All my pings that you got is the chest thumping shortly after EOD after being quiet beforehand, and your reaction to me even suggesting there could be an alternate non-town motivation to your vote.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:20 am Well you see Fredwood it's because you hurt his feelings. It's okay man I don't think you've really done anything wrong but I can see how your posts could come across as emotionally driven enough to provoke an emotional response. Also you are bad.

It's ok I think you're bad too.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:39 am This is weird because the wagon is forming way early than usual.

But you are having such a violent meltdown that I can't possibly not vote for you. You are setting off every alarm at once, by throwing gasoline, setting them on fire, and then running around them naked and screaming.

If you're a civ this is a pretty terrible play from you. You need to learn how to chill.

But if you are bad... Yeah you also need to learn how to chill.

This is all kinds of hedge, you're protecting yourself from a possible Fred town flip. None of my posts have been throwing gasoline on a fire, I've had a mutually progressively aggressive discussion with Mac. Violent is completely unfair, I've never wished bodily harm on anyone, and I'm pretty sure my sarcasm has been rather tame, I've not been frothing at the mouth or seething, or even that angry. The progression between me mac has gotten actively absurd as the argument continues so if anything the reverse of what you say here is true.


Either you think I'm scum or you don't, can't have it both ways, because this lynch will probably boil down to that and whether you want to be or not, you're in the narrative because I poked a sore spot by implying that you and Mac could be a team. Wild accusations get thrown out all the time, I've thrown out many this game alone, you two are the only ones to respond to them with this much fervor.

Even my argument with G-Man seemed kind of tame (shrug)

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:05 am

Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:03 am

Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:27 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:15 am I love when someone sees a wagon and decides the only way that possibly could happen if it the entire mafia team is on it.

Oh the Straw Man is strong in this one. I said one scum was LIKELY on the Tink wagon, not that ALL were. And as far as OMGUS goes, I've been on you pretty hard since your about face on your policy of no lynching inactives on day 1 to day 3, so next.

So which wagon are you speaking of?

My assumption at EoD was that at least one scum was on Tink wagon. Or you trying to imply that I was representing that all scum was on Spirits wagon.

Either way neither is a good representation of what I have stated in thread.

This one right now.

I didn't even know you had voted for me, it doesn't really matter. Either way I had pings on both of you before the phase started and said as much, I expected pushback, I'm not going to completely dismiss it's possibility out of hand.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:02 am Your posts make me feel bad. Too much aggressiveness and sarcasm. I'll stop for now. Imma just wait for you to flip.

Don't see the sarcasm, Pretty sure Mac is dropping the thicc sarcasm. I''d say there's a moderate amount of sarcasm in mine, while still trying to address the few points that are presented to me.

Also, Aggressive? Why wouldn't I be aggressive, I've been aggressive the entire game? I think I've caught scum and he, in his own was is fighting back. It's part of the thrill of the game. On top of that we're obviously headed to a Thunderdome, which will be fun. I just didn't expect to get 2 others involved. If either one of you are scum, my job is done, if all 3 of us are town, then we collectively created a lot of white noise and a big smokescreen to hide and wasted time.

I'm not sure why you're shying away now, almost feels like a distance.

We also had like 10 posts yesterday, today will be a much better read.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:27 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:15 am I love when someone sees a wagon and decides the only way that possibly could happen if it the entire mafia team is on it.

Oh the Straw Man is strong in this one. I said one scum was LIKELY on the Tink wagon, not that ALL were. And as far as OMGUS goes, I've been on you pretty hard since your about face on your policy of no lynching inactives on day 1 to day 3, so next.

So which wagon are you speaking of?

My assumption at EoD was that at least one scum was on Tink wagon. Or you trying to imply that I was representing that all scum was on Spirits wagon.

Either way neither is a good representation of what I have stated in thread.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:51 am

Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:48 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:39 am This is weird because the wagon is forming way early than usual.

But you are having such a violent meltdown that I can't possibly not vote for you. You are setting off every alarm at once, by throwing gasoline, setting them on fire, and then running around them naked and screaming.

If you're a civ this is a pretty terrible play from you. You need to learn how to chill.

But if you are bad... Yeah you also need to learn how to chill.

It's not a wagon, it's two people that I've been pressuring. Meltdown...no, I'm actually having fun. If I get mislynched it will probably be my first one in either ever, or in years, so it's a new fresh experience.

Yet you think I am flinching and having a meltdown even though all my posts reek of chill and talent. This isn't my first rodeo matus.

lol is meltdown your buzzword, or you just latching onto an existing use of it? You're flinching because you're not actually engaging the discussion you're avoiding it in a flamboyant way.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:53 am

Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:46 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:34 am I mean you just said you think me and Mac are the bad team and now you accuse me of strawmanning when I call you out on that?

I said it's likely The strawman is about you misrepresenting my stance on the Tink wagon.

Where did I even mention Tink

The quote I posted you in. I love it when someone sees a wagon and immediately thinks the entire scum team is on it, or something along those lines.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:47 am You immediately moved to discredit players who voted for the dead scum guy and tried to take the mic from me when I was on FIYAHHHH. And I am still on fiyahhh and you are still bad and you did kill Long Con because he said I was probably bad and this meltdown is basically entirely because I called you out on it and you can't believe how talented I am.

I Overcleared Tink and undercleared the train, you know to mitigate the NK risk, I literally did it to the other 3 people on the train, and none of them blew up about it. Someone took the bait and killed LC.

That's my point, you weren't on the mic, you were an the mic when it was incredibly convenient for a scum Mac to be on mic. Now, you're saying you had a lock read on scum from one post with your one post and you shut up for the rest of the phase. Now, you supposedly have a strong read on me and are actually engaging. So either you didn't have as strong a read as you said on Spirit, or you didn't necessarily care if he got lynched.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:39 am This is weird because the wagon is forming way early than usual.

But you are having such a violent meltdown that I can't possibly not vote for you. You are setting off every alarm at once, by throwing gasoline, setting them on fire, and then running around them naked and screaming.

If you're a civ this is a pretty terrible play from you. You need to learn how to chill.

But if you are bad... Yeah you also need to learn how to chill.

It's not a wagon, it's two people that I've been pressuring. Meltdown...no, I'm actually having fun. If I get mislynched it will probably be my first one in either ever, or in years, so it's a new fresh experience.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:34 am I mean you just said you think me and Mac are the bad team and now you accuse me of strawmanning when I call you out on that?

I said it's likely The strawman is about you misrepresenting my stance on the Tink wagon.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:31 am Did you even look what post I quoted

Yeah did you? You keep propping up that my thought was that everyone on Tinks wagon was bad, which is not only untrue but numerically impossible Of the 3 remaining (Thanks Mac for killing LC) on that wagon, you have the biggest ping...you know, my whole argument with you about wanting to vote Dys.

You then come back with some stretched argument about suspecting me and only giving a feeble "You missed vote" you bad. So I say that's interesting I want to look into this, you say YOU BAD BRO, I say OMGUS, then I say a Mac/DDL could be possible, you say OMGUS. It's hard to double down on the OMGUS when you're already OMGUSING....It's like a Triple OMGUS, an OMGUS wrapped in an OMGUS in another OMGUS.

I will say to your credit you're a contrarian almost exclusively, I even mentioned it in my first post, so I'm not even inclined to say you're the last scum just because you're arguing with me. I like to argue so if you engage me I engage you, I really don't think disagreeing with me is AI and will move on if I understand what you're selling or I like the tone. I engaged G-Man last phase, his response was enough for me to give him a chance to clear himself. Do I have concerns about you? Yes, but not so much more then I have for Eloh, DFaraday, or another inactive.

For that matter I'm only about 70 percent on Mac right now, but he keeps talking and raising that percentage.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:13 am

Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:53 am Yeah you did. It's about you. But its cool, avoid confrontation on your Jell-O logic.

This post confirms my suspicions about you. You are more interested in getting one over on the old Mac than genuinely finding bad guys.

Time to faint.

Nah you're just bad. At least you're putting more effort in this "push" then one post. You do realize the point of trying to push for a mislynch is that you have to actually argue with them. You're flinching so much it's sad.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:15 am I love when someone sees a wagon and decides the only way that possibly could happen if it the entire mafia team is on it.

Oh the Straw Man is strong in this one. I said one scum was LIKELY on the Tink wagon, not that ALL were. And as far as OMGUS goes, I've been on you pretty hard since your about face on your policy of no lynching inactives on day 1 to day 3, so next.

Yeah you did. It's about you. But its cool, avoid confrontation on your Jell-O logic.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:09 am RIP LC Sensing a pattern here that spells my fate

The Fredwood vs. Mac discussion is going a bit over my head, I think I'll have to reread their posts from the lynch. From what I remember I do kind of wonder if Fred was trying to save Sprit, but I think I could also see it as misguided/well-intentioned. If I have the time and inclination I might look at sprityo's interactions, but if I don't get any leads from that I could be on board with a Fred lynch.

Except Spirit wasn't even a discussed option when I voted Tink, and me switching off Tink put Spirit in the lead and on the line for a lynch. If I'm looking to save Spirit there, I did a p. bad job of it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:45 pm [

Way to dance around me unraveling your logic. Also awesome attempt at framing me with that night kill choice too.

You are still using the irrational argument that I was silent before the kill reveal and didn't change my vote off a teammate. You a crazy jesus.

You go from me saying I'm not town clearing you to me saying you're a top suspect. Defensive much. You get bent out of shape when people say they won't give you credit, and then when they say why you don't get credit you get all flustered by it and say they're scum reading you. Please, the amount of crazy you're spewing is pretty impressive.

More ad hominem...and aren't apparently grasping the issue with your vote. You miss 3 days, pull some random reason to vote for someone say literally nothing when it matters, then 3 minutes after EOD act like you did something. You could be a lucky towny on a lean, or you could be an inactive scum that wants to buy credit. For you if you're scum the best outcome for you is if Spirit get's lynched. So yeah, you're not going to switch off your teammate, but you're also not opposed to a tink lynch. You say nothing and let it go down, you've placed yourself in a win/win.

The comment about timing is interesting, because you think I mean to say you were trying to save a teammate...which is laughable, you were a null factor in the lynch, nothing you said convinced anyone to vote for Spirit. So taking credit for it minutes after eod is interesting. The derpy pushback on this is questionable and I think that a DDL/Mac team is very likely at this point.

Also at that NK analysis.



First off, how the heck does a LC kill frame you? He literally parroted a parrot. On top of that if you really did think that LC was a good target to NK to try and push the OMG Fred is trying to frame me, you're quite ridiculous. First LC was one of 5 people I was placing underneath you in order of interest, I might have even put Tink under you. Instead of killing a clear, or a pretty high clear, did you really think that killing LC was your best move to push for the mislynch? In fact most of what I was doing last night was trying to mitigate the risk to strong town reads, I cast shade on Nut and G-man with some tinfoil BS, yet you're the only one to overtly and react to it in such a egregious manner.

I LITERALLY OVER CLEARED TINK AND UNDERCLEARED EVERYONE ELSE (this includes you). The amount of mental wrangling that you and your partner had to come to NK LC is beyond me, and frankly even if I do get lynched you guys made a huge mistake killing LC.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:35 pm You are analysing the fuck out of it and yet you smoothly avoided getting involved in last night's lynch, despite being online all the time. You stink.

I opened the Tink lynch wagon...so I was involved in the lynch. I did flinch on voting for Spirit so I missed the vote. I didn't want to vote Tink but wasn't sure if I wanted to vote Spirit because the wagon built quick and didn't have a chance to reassess. Then when I did vote it was at 21. From a point a view Wilgy is right that a draw was best outcome anyway.

Why wouldn't I analyze it, I know I'm town, I don't need to convince myself I'm town.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:07 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2017 7:31 am Mac is a neutral one, coming early and voting for a teammate out of the blue with no reason isn't really costly. He could be bad and this was just bad luck.

I'd say Mac is probably bad. Pretty sure I've seen him do this before on a teammate.

Stop stealing my tinfoil

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2017 7:30 am

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:39 pm Fucking A...So clears Tink...no way does Mafia save her over Spirit so I think they were a V/W wagon. Glad I at least moved my vote off her to at least give her the chance in a tie.

Implying mafia was the one to decide that lynch tho. What if all players on Tink's wagon (excluding Tink) are civ? Then mafia didn't have a sway.

Which is likely because this was a CFD, more or less. Mafia doesn't prepare for those.

Anyway, Nutella looks 99% civ, and Gman looks pretty good too.

You mean on Spirit's wagon? I don't know, I'm giving them all credit and would not be a priority. Including Tink, I'm inclined to at least think G-Man and nut are the most town cus I don't think either of them chooses to save her if she's a team with Spirit. So I never said that mafia decided lynch I said that at least one Mafia was on the Tink wagon. I'm not particularly worried about Tink if we get no where with who was on her at EoD then voting her makes sense, but for now there's 5 better candidates then her tomorrow. If we need to lynch her later we can lynch her later. How probable do you think that one mafia wasn't on that wagon? Or which do you think was more likely, that everyone but tink that voted was civ, or that there was at least non-Tink mafia voter?

Spirit wasn't a CFD at all, that would imply that there was any wagons to begin with. In actuality both wagons were fast forming at EoD as we had 3 votes with an hour to go.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:38 am

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:55 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:43 pm

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:00 pm IE if you're town you got lucky, if you're scum you're calculated.

There is nothing lucky about it. I am highly attuned to sensing forced posts.

lol k, if were so sure where were you at EOD arguing your case? You left G-Man to do it...kind of, you had no imput in EOD and Spirit got lynched because of G-Man's/nuts reads. You seemed to be on pretty quickly after it, why I threw shade at Spirit in the first place. You had a lean, and got lucky if you were town.

I'm not giving anyone a town clear for one post clear of anybody especially when there was 2 other people more pivotal in the lynch then you. If you're that good you'd be insta-jibbed by scum immediately. I'm not putting you in bottom tier either, but giving yourself this much credit is gauche and aggravating,

I was just exaggerating and having a bit of fun buddy. Wth does gauche even mean?

I always scumread people correctly on day one. It is my thing. I don't get killed by Mafia because nobody ever lunches my day one suspects with me because people prefer to talk themselves into getting lynched.

So... You are suggesting my arrival after end of day indicates I was likely around before end of day and as town if I was that I should have been fighting for a sprityo lynch? When the implication is that I was around and that makes me bad ... yet I let sprityo get lynched. Devious. I would do that.

As it were I wasn't around, due primarily to doing other things in my life. Do you want an alibi?

I think you are bad. Your dissatisfaction with the result is shining through in your tone.

Na result was good, your reaction was bad guy.

Friendo, I don't want to see your alibi, cus frankly, compadre, I really don't care. Cochise, if you were so busy, being around 3 minutes after EOD is an awfully convenient time for you to suddenly not be busy Amigo.


I'd need some empirical evidence to back up your claim of always correctly guessing scum on day 1 before I actually believe that pallie.

Don't fret comrade, I didn't say you were bad, I said there was more then a logical reason for me to not full clear you. Notice how I didn't full clear my other chum G-Man?


That too passive aggressive, or not sarcastic enough?
Mafia: Where smokescreens and trolling are fun.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2017 7:32 am

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:48 pm Those on Tink: LC looks kind of bad, DDL too, DF was kind of middle of the road before this. Of all 4 voters I'm a little more inclined to give Wilgy a little more of town lean then the other 3, unless Dom is Wilgy's partner and he's super bussing him to build town equity to make the best out of a bad situation and had "yolo" inspired push to save Spirit. I'll have to analyze the vote I think to see if it was to build an even wagon to get another vote to force a lynch.

TLDR I can see why a town would be on a Tink lynch, but I'll eat my hate if at least one scum wasn't on the Tink lynch. Wilgy/Dom makes sense, don't know if Wilgy/Dom/Spirit make sense. 3 other three could be in a them/Spirit/Dom mafia.

Null for non-voters.

I think you look bad on this lynch.

Good OMGUS, I really wish you would put more effort into them. That's two in 12 hours.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:55 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:43 pm

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:00 pm IE if you're town you got lucky, if you're scum you're calculated.

There is nothing lucky about it. I am highly attuned to sensing forced posts.

lol k, if were so sure where were you at EOD arguing your case? You left G-Man to do it...kind of, you had no imput in EOD and Spirit got lynched because of G-Man's/nuts reads. You seemed to be on pretty quickly after it, why I threw shade at Spirit in the first place. You had a lean, and got lucky if you were town.

I'm not giving anyone a town clear for one post scumread of anybody especially when there was 2 other people more pivotal in the lynch then you. If you're that good you'd be insta-jibbed by scum immediately. I'm not putting you in bottom tier either, but giving yourself this much credit is gauche and aggravating,

EPWIP.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:43 pm

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:00 pm IE if you're town you got lucky, if you're scum you're calculated.

There is nothing lucky about it. I am highly attuned to sensing forced posts.

lol k, if were so sure where were you at EOD arguing your case? You left G-Man to do it...kind of, you had no imput in EOD and Spirit got lynched because of G-Man's/nuts reads. You seemed to be on pretty quickly after it, why I threw shade at Spirit in the first place. You had a lean, and got lucky if you were town.

I'm not giving anyone a town clear for one post clear of anybody especially when there was 2 other people more pivotal in the lynch then you. If you're that good you'd be insta-jibbed by scum immediately. I'm not putting you in bottom tier either, but giving yourself this much credit is gauche and aggravating,

DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:45 pm

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:39 pm Fucking A...So clears Tink...no way does Mafia save her over Spirit so I think they were a V/W wagon. Glad I at least moved my vote off her to at least give her the chance in a tie.

I'm taking a couple pings of G-Man because I think he was the first to vote Spirit post Macs Early vote. Though I don't want to town clear him fully yet, I think he fully knows if he votes Tink there and it's a town flip, his goose is cooked. However he did cast shade on Spirit early in the phase, so he's in my wary group.

Not sure what to do about Mac's vote, and the last time I gave voter credit for Nutella it came back to bite me in the ass.

I think given the timing Nutella's vote makes her look really good. I agree that Mac's isn't saying much either way.

Yeah, but Nut had good timing on the last one. I think this one does look better for her in the scenario, because there wasn't much writing on the wall about who was going to be lynched, and I don't see a reason for scum nutella to save Tink if she's not a partner, and I don't see a good reason for scum Nutella to save a scum Tink partner.

IE if you're town you got lucky, if you're scum you're calculated.

Considering G-man, myself and Wilgy had expressed concerns over Spirit, it's not like there hadn't been mentions of being concerned about Spirit. But it just happened to be going down a low activity rabbit hole.

I can see very much a scenario where a scum player who has missed 3 days, looks for any random reason to scum read a teammate throw a hail mary vote on him and hope it catches steam to build town equity. You made one post, didn't say anything at EOD and now are thumping your chest shortly after it. You're not Rocky, you didn't overcome the odds and made a one post read on a guy and have no input and nail it.

boo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:46 pm Hmm, I'd go the other way with that. I think it mostly clears all of the spirit voters except for tink. I mean, it's by no means a sure thing any of them are good, but I certainly don't see us lynching any of them in the near future now.

Tink, on the other hand, I don't think is cleared at all. Spirit got piled on quickly, and a baddie tink would see that as an opportunity for some excellent cred to switch their vote there. Now that they're active(ish) it's worth bussing a teammate that got that kind of pile on since it can buy you more time, while making the future of said teammate extremely doubtful.

Yeah but a baddie tink wouldn't have voted for DDl in the first place, I didn't get a devious vibe for any reason for her to not vote G-man.

Baddie Tink, or any Baddie would try to exploit my read on Gman I think. Especially since DDL had expressed a desire to vote G-man too.

I'm guess full clearing her is strong, but I'd rather suss out those on her wagon first, and then we can POE her later if it comes down to it.

Those on Tink: LC looks kind of bad, DDL too, DF was kind of middle of the road before this. Of all 4 voters I'm a little more inclined to give Wilgy a little more of town lean then the other 3, unless Dom is Wilgy's partner and he's super bussing him to build town equity to make the best out of a bad situation and had "yolo" inspired push to save Spirit. I'll have to analyze the vote I think to see if it was to build an even wagon to get another vote to force a lynch.

TLDR I can see why a town would be on a Tink lynch, but I'll eat my hate if at least one scum wasn't on the Tink lynch. Wilgy/Dom makes sense, don't know if Wilgy/Dom/Spirit make sense. 3 other three could be in a them/Spirit/Dom mafia.

Null for non-voters.

Fucking A...So clears Tink...no way does Mafia save her over Spirit so I think they were a V/W wagon. Glad I at least moved my vote off her to at least give her the chance in a tie.

I'm taking a couple pings of G-Man because I think he was the first to vote Spirit post Macs Early vote. Though I don't want to town clear him fully yet, I think he fully knows if he votes Tink there and it's a town flip, his goose is cooked. However he did cast shade on Spirit early in the phase, so he's in my wary group.

Not sure what to do about Mac's vote, and the last time I gave voter credit for Nutella it came back to bite me in the ass.