The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:14 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:08 pm Yay my first Syndicate win! Good job Big Mountains, although I feel bad for Little Mountains for the bad luck.

I feel like I did alright, especially considering how focus on me supatown Sloonei was.
I'm really sorry

It happens. Not upset or anything, although I admit it was a little relief to be lynched and not worry anymore.

Yay my first Syndicate win! Good job Big Mountains, although I feel bad for Little Mountains for the bad luck.

I feel like I did alright, especially considering how focus on me supatown Sloonei was.

Blah. I'm waffling again. Epi is convincing and he's had pretty good instincts so far. But unfortunately I'm going to bed so I've got to make up my mind.

quin

Final answer.

[mention]dunya[/mention] I'd look into quin, DDL, and Wilgy (who's oddly gotten a total pass the last couple of days)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:58 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:38 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:15 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:10 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:21 pm I don't like this sequence.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:16 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:34 pm Sloonei

I don't feel you are genuine, and I think your go at Eloh was a try to score an easy lynch that people would find agreeable even if the result was no good.
Nope. I wanted you to share your thoughts on her, then I moved off.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:43 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:30 pm I don't want to be on Eloh come day end. It could go on Sloonei.
I advise against this.

I could go back to Eloh.
Voting Eloh because he wants Epi's thoughts, that's all? But then he's willing to vote there immediately after taking his vote off? Smells off.
I hate this. He acts like Sloonei's contradicted himself somewhere in that voting period. Also, even though he seems likely to vote either Sloonei or Jack, he barely weighs in his thoughts on Jack at all on Day 2 to decide which lynch is best. Claims Jack and Sloonei are likely w/w later though.
This was where the suspicion was born. Epi and Eloh were already on me, and then Bob seized onto this like it was damning evidence and didn't let go for the rest of the phase.
colonialbob, would you be able to take us back to this moment and walk us through what was going on in your mind?
You voted for a player to get a different player's reaction to them, then moved your vote while saying you could go back. To me that seemed like tacitly inviting somebody to 'convince' you back onto Eloh. As scum it lets you throw a name out there and get some townie focus on it while not really looking like the person who led a mislynch if it goes somewhere. I believe I explained this previously.
You did, but this conversation is happening right now and I like things to be fresh and present for everyone involved.
what do you have to say about Quin's argument that your justification "changed" rather than "evolved" after I corrected a mistaken observation you made?

Your post was 3 hours later but there also wasn't anything that happened in the thread in between. So "immediately" was an overstatement but the overall logic of my argument wasn't strongly affected.

sig

Buying Quin as town. Not gonna vote for myself.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:15 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:10 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:21 pm I don't like this sequence.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:16 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:34 pm Sloonei

I don't feel you are genuine, and I think your go at Eloh was a try to score an easy lynch that people would find agreeable even if the result was no good.
Nope. I wanted you to share your thoughts on her, then I moved off.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:43 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:30 pm I don't want to be on Eloh come day end. It could go on Sloonei.
I advise against this.

I could go back to Eloh.
Voting Eloh because he wants Epi's thoughts, that's all? But then he's willing to vote there immediately after taking his vote off? Smells off.
I hate this. He acts like Sloonei's contradicted himself somewhere in that voting period. Also, even though he seems likely to vote either Sloonei or Jack, he barely weighs in his thoughts on Jack at all on Day 2 to decide which lynch is best. Claims Jack and Sloonei are likely w/w later though.
This was where the suspicion was born. Epi and Eloh were already on me, and then Bob seized onto this like it was damning evidence and didn't let go for the rest of the phase.
colonialbob, would you be able to take us back to this moment and walk us through what was going on in your mind?

You voted for a player to get a different player's reaction to them, then moved your vote while saying you could go back. To me that seemed like tacitly inviting somebody to 'convince' you back onto Eloh. As scum it lets you throw a name out there and get some townie focus on it while not really looking like the person who led a mislynch if it goes somewhere. I believe I explained this previously.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:18 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:16 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:59 pm This is what scum Quin looks like
Epignosis can be my teammate in that game and still decide I become a poor demoralised baddie when my teammate gets lynched. I had two teammates lynched in succession in Mad Max and that only motivated me more.

Of course, his response to this will be "Fuck meta" so I don't know why I bring it up.
FWIW I'm not voting for you because I think you're discouraged scum or whatever.

Could you explain why you thought Epi was scum after using bad logic to vote JJJ, when then kicked off a bunch of people switching back to him and ultimately led to his lynch?
Can you rephrase?

The way I remember that phase, Wilgy and Speed were in the lead, with only a couple people on JJJ. Then Epi came out with his case, voted JJJ (I was thinking he was the 2nd vote, but maybe it was the 3rd). A lot of people switched over/back to JJJ after that.

Just trying to get the why behind your vote.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:38 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:32 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:29 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:27 pm Changed my vote to DDL.
Why?
I thought you had information. Bringing my flip into it is enough to dispel that theory.
I have only the information which is publically available, and this information leads me to believe firmly that bob is scum.

I also have a strong town read on DDL, so I'll ask again why he's your preferred target.
I dislike his reason for voting for me and his response to my earlier case on Kyle.

Do you mind linking? I'll go searching but a link would be helpful. I could be convinced on DDL.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:59 pm This is what scum Quin looks like
Epignosis can be my teammate in that game and still decide I become a poor demoralised baddie when my teammate gets lynched. I had two teammates lynched in succession in Mad Max and that only motivated me more.

Of course, his response to this will be "Fuck meta" so I don't know why I bring it up.

FWIW I'm not voting for you because I think you're discouraged scum or whatever.

Could you explain why you thought Epi was scum after using bad logic to vote JJJ, when then kicked off a bunch of people switching back to him and ultimately led to his lynch?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:42 pm I still like where my vote is and has been for the last two days. You're all welcome to come join me.

No thank you.

Anyway Quin I know it's tough when you're trying to defend yourself but I would appreciate reads/scum picks. Mostly the latter.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:06 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:51 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:46 pm what motive or gain would a scum Quin have for devaluing your argument?
Covering for himself not voting JJJ, with a side of Pax principle (in order to be able to say "why would I do that as mafia?")
How much easier would it have been for Quin to have hopped on that bandwagon? I'm not saying all his teammates voted for him, but I am saying those who didn't definitely presented some kind of valid case for not doing so imo and reasons why they voted for someone else.

Scum Quin doubling down on "this was a bad argument" as a way of making that case because it was too late to so anything else.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:46 pm what motive or gain would a scum Quin have for devaluing your argument?

Covering for himself not voting JJJ, with a side of Pax principle (in order to be able to say "why would I do that as mafia?")

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:26 pm I also don't understand what Epi's post meant and what 'he was cooking's cbob could you explain what you saw

He laid out some reasoning that points to Sig as town, then says it make a him suspicious of Quin saying he'd like to vote out sig. He then votes for Quin.

I thought he had some good points (smelled what he's cookin) and also had some suspicion of Quin, so I too voted for him.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:43 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:29 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:38 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:21 pm I liked Epi's thoughts on sig, in addition to my own, so I'll cast a vote there right now.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:24 pm Speed with the sudden entrance. I like it.

Voting LC for now.

Hey, let me in on the joke!
I'm pretty sure Epi's post was pro-Sig. Like in cbob's post there, where I was pro-LC and then he voted LC. It's amusing when people say they like a post that defends someone and then votes for the defended.

My post was D1 and iirc had happened just after you had first made an appearance in the thread, posting a bunch of content. I approved of the fact that you posted content, not necessarily all of the content itself.

(Not to get sidetracked but just to explain myself)

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:26 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:18 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:03 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:06 pm I'm smellin what Epi is cookin (although it could be those delicious-looking cakes I suppose), and I've expressed suspicion before, so:

Quin
This looks very go-along, get-along to me.
I honestly don't understand what this means.

And after I complimented your cakes, too!
I think she means it looks like you are trying to buddy Epi by going along with his case and joining his vote.

Oh, I guess that makes sense. I mean, the sentence, not as much the accusation. I listed Quin as one of my 4 suspects yesterday, and made clear two were inactives who were suspects from POE. So It's not like this is the first time I've talked about Quin.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:03 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:06 pm I'm smellin what Epi is cookin (although it could be those delicious-looking cakes I suppose), and I've expressed suspicion before, so:

Quin
This looks very go-along, get-along to me.

I honestly don't understand what this means.

And after I complimented your cakes, too!

I'm smellin what Epi is cookin (although it could be those delicious-looking cakes I suppose), and I've expressed suspicion before, so:

Quin

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:51 am
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:58 am Hmm.. well as far as we know, there's
-Aconcagua: immune to the first attempt on their life (lynch or NK)
[-Chimborazo: could have stolen Aconcagua's ability at some point, but seems highly unlikely as Dom/Malakim would have been an unlikely nk target]
-Kilimanjaro: can make themself immune to night actions 3x/game
-Mont Blanc: can switch targets 1x/game
(-Matterhorn: secrets)
(-Olympus Mons: secrets)

...Ehhh. Some of these may have happened, but maybe we really do have scummers sleeping on the job. I could vote an inactive.
I don't think that the scum team consists entirely of a inactives.

I'm not saying that 1 of 3 might not be inactive.

But let's absolutely not waste a day phase discussing people with no posts and actually try to discuss suspicions we have about people who we can hold accountable for their words to some degree.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:08 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:01 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:53 pm I've tried to see what Sloonei is seeing in colonialbob, but I'm not seeing it or feeling it.

I think he's a very strong intuitive player. In Pirates, he was a force not to be reckoned with and that was as a replacement.

If I'm wrong, Sloonei, then I'm wrong and owe you an apology. I've been wrong in this game before *jack ahem*, but I feel if you lay off bob for a day and look for the other two, you can see if you still feel the same way about Bob later.
I already laid off Bob while we looked wt Jay. I'm leaving the door wide open for him or anyone else to convince me I'm wrong. I am tunneling on him, but I want to be shown that I'm wrong if that's the case. I can't see it.
also: colonial bong
All I'm asking is that you spend the night world-building those scenarios. Assuming I'm mafia, who are my teammates and who looks town. Assuming I'm town, who looks worse and who looks better. You can't lynch me until tomorrow anyway, might as well spend some of that time doing something productive instead of just repeating how bad I am.
I don't like doing interactive reads for living players except in rare cases where I'm 99-100% certain they're bad.

Why?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:38 pm That observation by DDL might just be the strongest evidence against colonialbob in this entire thread, honestly. I'm psyched about it.

What do you think about my response?

(Well I have a feeling I know what you think but I'm curious what others think)

((Also WIFOM but if I'm town and mafia is laying off me specifically to have somebody make that point...))

(((i spent the last few years building up an immunity to tunneling)))

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:25 pm Tunneling has its uses.

*makes the sign of the cross*

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:53 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:46 pm On the Bob thing.

I don't feel anything bad about Bob. But so far I've just read Sloonei's posts and thought "he had a point". I agree with Sloonei's points, but not hard enough to think Bob is definite scum. I'm suspecting Bob by proxy. But I don't want to ISO Bob myself because I'll probably just confirmation bias my way into voting him.

But while I was showering now, I had a thought. It's weird that Sloonei is tunneling so hard on Bob and yet nobody else is caring too much. There have been some skirmishes with Bob here and there, but hardly anybody voicing a strong suspicion on him. Maybe Jack, but Jack suspected everyone. Sloonei made a mega post about Bob on Day 2 and only I voted with him. He did it again on Day 4 and we went for Malakim.

And this is where I put my tinfoil hat and think "if Bob is a civ, baddies would have seized this chance by now". I mean, look at the malakim lynch. Resistance to it was pitiful. Scum probably either voted for malakim or made sure not to oppose it too hard.

So guys, let's put this on the table. Sloonei believes Bob is bad, and seems to believe harder than anyone believes in anything in this game. How are the rest of you reading Bob? Do you see yourselves lynching Bob tomorrow? Opinions, please.
I've been tossing the same thought around, but surely we can't say that the general lack of attention he's received outside of me is indicative of all other players being scum. At most there can be only two others. But you put a spin on it that gives me an added confidence: I'm a big loud doofus and I won't shut up about Bob. If I'm wrong about him, it would be very easy for a scum player to apply a little pressure as well and hope that the dominos might fall. That has not happened. I feel like I've been screaming into a vacuum.

I've been waiting (practically begging) for somebody to make this post all game. Thank you.

Alternatively, why rush it because clearly you're going to push. No sense in pushing much yesterday, let Mal get lynched. Day off for scum, easy-street. Then let you push on me Day 5, that's 2 days in a row of the biggest suspect presumably not being mafia. There's been a lot of people saying "yeah I buy your case Sloonei" but not many saying "I read him as bad independent of you" (save Epi, but that was largely related to a scum Mal).

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:34 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:31 pm Honestly, I don't think it's good for a player to be replaced into a game so late into the game. What is INH going to contribute even if he does show up? ((what is sig even going to do when he finally comes back lol?)) I'm clearly the exception because I am obsessive, compulsive, competitive freak who will read everything and post like a madwoman. But after Day 1 and Night 1 have passed, players shouldn't usually be replaced imo.

anyway, INH is probably scum. If a vig still exists in the game, take him out.
INH probably had a fallout from CC123. He seemed mega stressed in that game. Which is completely NAI.

Agreed.

EBWOP: I had forgotten that Sig post about Epi, I didn't like that one either.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:28 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:08 pm Talk to me about Long Con.
Lean good, because he's playing the weirdest scum game if he's bad. I'm not putting that past him, based on his apparent reputation here, but that's some heavy tinfoil.

Him listing Jack as his biggest suspect two nights in a row before Jack is killed is one of the biggest reasons I lean town. I can't figure out a motive for that as scum at all. He also questions Epi when Epi said his JJJ vote made him look better, which is mostly a good look (if a bit WIFOM). I wish he had more content in the last few days though.
Someone who has a longer history with LC can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the underlined is his MO.
I feel the opposite as you do about his WIFOMy denial of credibility for thr Jay vote. The way he framed it and his tone in the post feels like he was saying it purely for the WIFOM factor. That sort of thing is not town-indicative.

Who's on your short list of suspects right now?

Quin, Wilgy, sig, inh. Last two are purely POE. Wilgy mostly hunch more than a real case atm. Need to look into more people - mal and Jack are gone, I've come around on speed, and apparently I was misinterpreting / missing context from some of Kyle's posts.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:08 pm Talk to me about Long Con.

Lean good, because he's playing the weirdest scum game if he's bad. I'm not putting that past him, based on his apparent reputation here, but that's some heavy tinfoil.

Him listing Jack as his biggest suspect two nights in a row before Jack is killed is one of the biggest reasons I lean town. I can't figure out a motive for that as scum at all. He also questions Epi when Epi said his JJJ vote made him look better, which is mostly a good look (if a bit WIFOM). I wish he had more content in the last few days though.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:01 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:53 pm I've tried to see what Sloonei is seeing in colonialbob, but I'm not seeing it or feeling it.

I think he's a very strong intuitive player. In Pirates, he was a force not to be reckoned with and that was as a replacement.

If I'm wrong, Sloonei, then I'm wrong and owe you an apology. I've been wrong in this game before *jack ahem*, but I feel if you lay off bob for a day and look for the other two, you can see if you still feel the same way about Bob later.
I already laid off Bob while we looked wt Jay. I'm leaving the door wide open for him or anyone else to convince me I'm wrong. I am tunneling on him, but I want to be shown that I'm wrong if that's the case. I can't see it.
also: colonial bong

All I'm asking is that you spend the night world-building those scenarios. Assuming I'm mafia, who are my teammates and who looks town. Assuming I'm town, who looks worse and who looks better. You can't lynch me until tomorrow anyway, might as well spend some of that time doing something productive instead of just repeating how bad I am.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:00 pm Also FWIW Mal's flip makes me want to look at people who pushed on him for JJJ-related reasons. I don't remember who they were but I want to reread those posts.

Specifically in regards to JJJ's late-day-4 ISOs, I should clarify.

Also FWIW Mal's flip makes me want to look at people who pushed on him for JJJ-related reasons. I don't remember who they were but I want to reread those posts.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:52 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:50 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:47 pm malakim
INH/sig (one not both, leaning INH if malakim is town)
Wilgy
speedchuck
Kyle

maybe Eloh. I haven't gotten a great grasp of her yet, but hoping it's busy townie rather than distracted scummy.

your 3 scummers are amongst those, I promise ya'll.

Whatcha pondering?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:44 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:36 pm "If Mal is bad we can definitely go after Bob next"

*mal flips town*

"Ok Bob is next"

Fun.
Hey now, you've been first on my list for days. This isn't an accurate assessment.

Were you defending Mal at some point?

It's an accurate assessment of things said in the thread, not necessarily by you. It's more an expression of frustration that there was talk centered around "if mal is bad, Bob is bad" and then mal isn't bad and the talk is still "Bob is bad." You're tunneling. Even if you're right on me (you're not) you're tunneling. I like speed's questions. If I'm mafia, who are my teammates? Who looks better? If I'm town, the same? I don't want you to ignore the rest of the game while trying to lead the charge against me.

I don't recall defending Mal, I thought he was probably bad. I've already discussed my defensiveness, which I agree was a bad look.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:47 pm malakim
INH/sig (one not both, leaning INH if malakim is town)
Wilgy
speedchuck
Kyle

maybe Eloh. I haven't gotten a great grasp of her yet, but hoping it's busy townie rather than distracted scummy.

your 3 scummers are amongst those, I promise ya'll.

But yeah. My reaction to the Mal stuff was bad. I shouldn't skim posts right before bed and try to respond to stuff. I literally saw Epi's "If malakim2099 is also bad, I would give heavy consideration to Sloonei's voice in the wilderness crying out against colonialbob." and defended myself against an accusation he wasn't making. I've got no real defense for that, totally get why it looks bad, I just messed up. I'll try to go back to respond to the actual accusation now, if it's still relevant post-flip.

"If Mal is bad we can definitely go after Bob next"

*mal flips town*

"Ok Bob is next"

Fun.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:49 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:43 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:39 am I was already coming around to putting a vote down on malakim, but if his badness would get people to start listening to my rants about colonialbob then that just about settles it.
Why would it?

A) I'm not bad
B) if I'm mafia why am I trying to save a teammate who can't even be bothered to show up to defend himself
A) Yeah you are
B) For thr numbers and the chance to make this statement and because that's how Mafia works.

Fine, I'm done arguing with you, because what always happens is I explain myself and you go "no I don't believe you" and I shrug because how does one defend themselves against that.

And no that's a stupid defense because even I don't actually think anybody is going to swap off mal, he's been a primary suspect for a while and most people are already asleep. Meanwhile Quin does the same thing yesterday (voting Epi? Lolcomethefuckon) and... you say nothing. Frustrating.

I need to be done tonight. See y'all after the flip.

Linki: @Epi I hadn't read your post when I posted that, just Sloonei's (tbh I just skimmed your post even after that). If you're suspicious of me because mal's interactions with me, that's fine and a different kettle of fish.

@kyle no. I'm fact I'll switch over to him, I do think he's mafia especially after he no-showed today. So vote mal .

And stepping away now. Good night everybody.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:38 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:16 amBecause it's stuff like misrepresenting the context of what Quin was responding too to make his Kyle/Eloh answer sound suspicious/bad,
That's not actually what happened. Quin was confused (or I was?) about which instance of Quin being asked to name suspects that we were talking about.

Then apparently I'm confused too?

or saying Jack wouldn't answer his questions when they were a) dangerously close to asking him to break the rules and b) not alignment indicative.

I thought he was lying and using sloonei to gain civvie cred. My mistake was asking him directly instead of questioning his claims in general. Also, I was apparently wrong anyways.[/quote]
I still don't understand what you were trying to get out of that questioning, and feel you were using Jack's refusal to answer as evidence he was bad without actually listening to why he was refusing to answer.

And from what I read of pirates, he was better at making cases than this.

who did you hear that from?[/quote]
Me, when I told it to myself after replacing into that game.

If he's been off for a while, I can absolutely see him struggling to make townie-sounding cases as mafia,

probably true, but I haven't had to experience it yet.[/quote]allegedly

and his response to your "I'm always sincere no matter my alignment" post points that direction as well.

it was a pointed question. I asked it that way on purpose.
[/quote]what? Quin didn't ask a question, he said "I am very sincere when I play mafia" and you responded with "well you must not ever say people are bad when you're mafia then" which a) is silly and b) seems to support an inability to make authentic-feeling cases when you're mafia.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:39 am I was already coming around to putting a vote down on malakim, but if his badness would get people to start listening to my rants about colonialbob then that just about settles it.

Why would it?

A) I'm not bad
B) if I'm mafia why am I trying to save a teammate who can't even be bothered to show up to defend himself

Because it's stuff like misrepresenting the context of what Quin was responding too to make his Kyle/Eloh answer sound suspicious/bad, or saying Jack wouldn't answer his questions when they were a) dangerously close to asking him to break the rules and b) not alignment indicative. And from what I read of pirates, he was better at making cases than this. If he's been off for a while, I can absolutely see him struggling to make townie-sounding cases as mafia, and his response to your "I'm always sincere no matter my alignment" post points that direction as well.

Plus as I've said, I'd bet one of the voters after me on JJJ is a teammate, and Jack got NKed, so.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:37 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:29 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:56 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:33 pm @Quin my accusation of you wasn't specifically about your suspect list choices. My suspicion is that your behavior looks like how a baddie would act in an increasingly hopeless situation.
Because my suspects didn't line up with the generic lynch candidates, yeah. I got that.
No no, the point is that you've seemed less motivated lately, despite the fact that we're doing really good.

Maybe I made a mistake in pointing it out, you've been talking about this with me all day instead scum hunting and it's not you can argue with a psychology based theory.
Fair enough. I am just very difficult to motivate.

I moved my vote off you to malakim. I disliked bobs reason for voting you. There are better cases out there than 'I don't agree with him'.

It's not really "I don't agree" it's "I have no idea why you think the case you're laying out makes X scum." And it hasn't just been you, it's been multiple things.

vote Kyle

He hasn't made a case I remember agreeing with once.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:08 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:06 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:56 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:42 amQuin is bad for saving Jimmy yesterday, trying to save him today and continually arguing the cause against Jimmy is bad, is a misrepresentation and there was an actually case against Mesk because....nothing. Over and over he repeats these lies and cannot explain. Additionally, he repeated the "lets lynch lasagna" noncase while Domalakim and Jimmy were on the chopping block.
This makes me want to cry. And also throw things at you. Begone, Satan.
Gimme a short list of suspects
Eloh and Kyle.

[mention]Kylemii[/mention] I was literally just ISOing Quin so this sequence was fresh in my mind. Your accusation doesn't really fit the conversation.

Ok, caught up. Gonna clean the kitchen then do some ISOs / reread the end of Day 4.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:11 pm How does Malakim usually do under pressure?

He's often somewhat angry-ish, at least when presented with reasons like "you replaced into somebody we think is mafia" that (valid as it may be) is hard to defend against. At least from what I can recall. This is where I miss Jack, he's way better at meta than me.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:24 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:17 pm Let me tell you something about my meta, nutella.

Pretty much the only thing I know how to do in mafia is be genuine. I can only play by those standards. My suspicions are authentic or they are nothing. I don't say someone looks bad unless they look bad. When nobody looks bad, I say nobody looks bad. If you ever think I've made something up, reconsider. Because "making things up" is not something I care to do, and not something I'm confident I can do.

That is how I play mafia, both as a civilian and as scum.
If this were word-for-word true then you'd go through every mafia roll game suspecting no one at all.

Townies never look bad?

(Lol look at me defending Quin who is probably one of my bigger scumreads before really digging into everybody)

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:35 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:27 pm
Okay. And why is that scummy again?
It's scummy because a scum quin following a lynch of teammate jay, in a game where his teammates may already under fire, and so many players are difficult to accuse because of the general civvie-trust vibes of the thread, when being asked what his suspects are, might quickly respond with listing two suspected players who aren't on his team.

Why me and Eloh? Why not Cbob or speedchuck or sog or LC. Why specifically list those two players? You weren't specifically asked for 2 suspects.

Now *this* is circular logic. Quin is scummy for naming two suspected players who aren't on his team. How do you know Eloh is town? As speedchuck says why are the other four better? If he had said "Kyle and cbob" or "Eloh and speed" is this somehow now not scummy?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:27 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:30 pm You, Eloh and malakim.
Talk about bob

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:47 pm Sloonei tinfoil is definitely interesting (especially considering his Mesk vote switch that saved jay), but I thought that pretty much all of the theories as to how he survived Day 2 involved him being town. Unless... wait, there is one possibility. Hold on, I'm rethinking everything I had in mind for Jack and Sloonei and recalculating.... hmm I'll have to think about this more, it's really confusing. Bottom line is I think the chances of Sloonei being bad are very, very, very slim.

Yeah Sloonei tinfoiling is understandable (I don't get why he refuses to consider Mal at all either, Jack), but it's a waste of time. I'm firm town on him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:49 pm Another question for people who are good at analyzing this sort of thing: Why might Jack have been killed? He was still on a lot of people's radar and has been a controversial figure for much of the game.

He was after myself and Quin most recently, as well as malakim.

That was pretty surprising to me too. But I'm not in the habit of trying to analyze mafia kills, for one because WIFOM but mostly because I come from power madness setups so usually mafia is trying to leverage their info to take out town power roles.

Sorry all, busy Monday. Will be catching up over the next couple of hours (although dinner is in there too).

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:51 pm Last but not least, anyone who doesn't vote colonialbob is literally the Grinch.

You mean initially they were mean and grumpy and going to vote for me but then they realized the true meaning of Christmas and that I'm town and their heart grew three sizes and everybody loved them?

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