The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:16 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:05 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:01 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:39 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:36 am I think DDL making a fuss over SKs makes him look needlessly suspicious at a crucial time.

You may not be wrong. That's how I felt about you making a fuss over confirmed tracker Mac.

Mafia don't have trackers to detect cops? Get out of here. I know that much.

I may have seen a mafia tracker once in seven years.

Really? Super common where I'm from.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:58 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:56 pm If you were giving Colin a pass, why did you say you didn't like his contrib?

cos i didn't. he was wrong. why would i like wrong reads?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:47 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:46 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:24 am i didn't like coliniscool's contrib. i don't actually believe colin thinks i'm the most suspicious person after reading the thread. i'll give him a pass for now since he's sick, but that shit don't slide by for The Syndicate's Best New Member.

I interpret this as "Colin's suspicion of me is fake."

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:17 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:15 pmi find impossible to believe colin would read the thread and decide that first post i made towards jay as the most supicious and vote-worthy thing in the game.

Why do you find that impossible?

because the thread progressed a lot from there, including that initial suspicion, my reads and expansions.

And then this thought process is weird because it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the above post. Feels like a backpedal.

see my post above. and also no, i didn't call it fake. now you're projecting.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:24 am i didn't like coliniscool's contrib. i don't actually believe colin thinks i'm the most suspicious person after reading the thread. i'll give him a pass for now since he's sick, but that shit don't slide by for The Syndicate's Best New Member.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:17 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:15 pmi find impossible to believe colin would read the thread and decide that first post i made towards jay as the most supicious and vote-worthy thing in the game.

Why do you find that impossible?

because the thread progressed a lot from there, including that initial suspicion, my reads and expansions.

reywaS wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:43 am JJJ looks like he's forcing the whole super civvie thing in this game. It doesn't look natural like it did in shockheaded peter mafia. in that game his posts sounded like he was running for president of the town. In this game he sounds like he's trying too hard to recreate that.

Im not buying it.

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:33 pm i got 5 pages to catch up on

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:15 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:13 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:08 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:59 pmI think this point was covered fairly well by DDL and JJJ so I don't need to rehash it

What are you referring to?

Covered above, but I'll restate my question:

"Don't buy Colin decided my post was most sus of all the posts" into "once he has read all the posts he'll find me less sus" is a progression I'm having trouble with

You said DDL and I handled that well enough for you. What conclusions did you draw?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:08 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:59 pmI think this point was covered fairly well by DDL and JJJ so I don't need to rehash it

What are you referring to?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:00 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:59 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:40 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:17 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:15 pmi find impossible to believe colin would read the thread and decide that first post i made towards jay as the most supicious and vote-worthy thing in the game.

Why do you find that impossible?

because the thread progressed a lot from there, including that initial suspicion, my reads and expansions.

Marking this in case what I'm curious about isn't addressed in the next 3 pages

I think this point was covered fairly well by DDL and JJJ so I don't need to rehash it

Here he goes again using human shields

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:40 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:17 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:15 pmi find impossible to believe colin would read the thread and decide that first post i made towards jay as the most supicious and vote-worthy thing in the game.

Why do you find that impossible?

because the thread progressed a lot from there, including that initial suspicion, my reads and expansions.

Marking this in case what I'm curious about isn't addressed in the next 3 pages

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:17 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:15 pmi find impossible to believe colin would read the thread and decide that first post i made towards jay as the most supicious and vote-worthy thing in the game.

Why do you find that impossible?

because the thread progressed a lot from there, including that initial suspicion, my reads and expansions.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:42 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:39 am

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:36 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:49 pm The biggest reason I have to civ-read Colin is the fact that he didn't appear until fairly late in the thread.

[VOTE: coliniscool] aubergine

and you didn't have any reason to scum-read any of the players that have actually been in the game for 2 days?

Putting words in my mouth here

you've contributed an agreeable amount which shows you are up to speed on the game and thread, and yet your first "changeable" vote was not on someone who you had reason to scum-read. i don't like that.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:36 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:49 pm The biggest reason I have to civ-read Colin is the fact that he didn't appear until fairly late in the thread.

[VOTE: coliniscool] aubergine

and you didn't have any reason to scum-read any of the players that have actually been in the game for 2 days?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:10 pm I'm rescinding my town read on Epignosis. DFaraday's suspicions lacked clear names in the absence of prods (as Epi validly observed), and his ensuing explanation seemed to force suspicion upon Mac.

These posts are horseshit though:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:38 amCivilians don't lose because nobody paid attention to chart. You are doing work to do work.

You know what I do when I'm bad? I count on my fingers how many civilians I need to knock off to win. That's a mafia chart.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:32 am Jay is more concerned with the setup than with who is bad. I have solved this thing for you.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:57 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:25 am

Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:13 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:10 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:07 amShe's completely different from what I'm used to, which has always been civ. So GTH she's bad.

But GTH sucks and fails to consider she is obviously roleplaying, so more like neutral from now.

What is completely different about her?

Normally I'm expecting a single, 8 line paragraph on how she is unsure about a bunch of different topics.

This is so specific that I struggle to believe it.

i can see why it feels fabricated, but is it an accurate representation of sabie outside roleplay? i checked the ongoing game and can see a lot of variety in her posts, more beefy content as the game progressed. we won't talk about that now since we don't know her alignment and the game is ongoing.

then i checked a world asunder and honestly, i did see more beefy content as a whole from her there. the observation isn't completely unwarranted for someone who's played with her in a few games recently. but it was day 0. she was role playing a character she loves in a show she expressed genuine excitement about even in the sign up thread. and she did have a funeral and personal reasons yesterday. the question is would she use roleplay to mask discomfort at being given a scum role or not?

as much as i'd like to give ddl shit for that, i don't think it was a bad observation. i just dislike how he made it, and tried to get it to stick, then pulled out of it.

reywaS wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:43 am JJJ looks like he's forcing the whole super civvie thing in this game. It doesn't look natural like it did in shockheaded peter mafia. in that game his posts sounded like he was running for president of the town. In this game he sounds like he's trying too hard to recreate that.

Im not buying it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:24 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:27 pmAre you saying J is hiding behind mechanics talk?

I've decided I don't care for this. The question seems rather pointless, as DDL clearly indicated that the parallel he was drawing regarding my mechanics post was to his own behavior as a bad guy. So whether I'm "hiding" or not, it's a definite accusation.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:50 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:43 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:41 pm Robert of the colonies, what do the gifs tell you about Epi and Mac?

They just seem too on the nose for a teammate interaction in thread

I’m not sure what is meant by “on the nose” in this context.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:41 pm Robert of the colonies, what do the gifs tell you about Epi and Mac?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:51 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:22 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:32 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:14 amBig if true

How do you feel about anything in the thread up to me calling you a mafioso?

I feel like I don't have enough time to sort all of the Mac/jjj/epi stuff out right now except I doubt epi/Mac w/w.

I doubt that this is a genuine post from a civilian. I can't see how he arrived to the conclusion at the end at all really.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:48 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:55 pm sabie12, any impressions of dunya, Epi, or myself (or anyone else that may have shimmied in a post)?

Maaaaaan I don't know my brain hurts I didn't know there was a quiz on the first day. Wait it's the zero day...or is it zeroth day?

This is a mild ping but also might just be a result of her role-playing rather than her normal posting style. Usually I would expect a lot of waffly stuff (not in a bad way) but this is short and doesn't mention anything about any of those players.

I would encourage sabie12 to do a little more talking about specific people (while keeping up the good RP )

I don't think this is a genuine post either. This is busywork.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:48 pm DDL is mafia

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:25 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:48 pm DDL is mafia

Tell me more.

Partly wanted in on the "blah is mafia" meme, partly sus of the way he latched onto your mechanics post. It was getting suspicion from other(s?), but for very different reasons than "JJJ is hiding behind mechanics talk" which is the typical accusation around that sort of thing. DDL expressed suspicion of a thing that other people found suspicious but for reasons that don't ring true. That makes my hunting instincts want to eat his face off.

I mind meld with ColonialBob when he is a civilian usually. I am finding myself unable to see his perspectives at all in every post he's made so far.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:25 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:48 pm DDL is mafia

Tell me more.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:55 pm sabie12, any impressions of dunya, Epi, or myself (or anyone else that may have shimmied in a post)?

Maaaaaan I don't know my brain hurts I didn't know there was a quiz on the first day. Wait it's the zero day...or is it zeroth day?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:06 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:24 am Numbers consciousness starting platform:

With 12 players to start and the setup closed, there are numerous potential alignment ratios:

A - 9 vs. 3
B - 9 vs. 2 vs./plus 1
C - 8 vs. 2 vs./plus 1 vs./plus 1
D - 8 vs. 3 vs./plus 1

There are other possibilities, but I think these are the four likely by a wide margin. Based on my own intuitions about balance (some of which I think Sloonei would share given his similar background), I'd rank them as follows by probability: B > A > C > D. This is a theme which lends itself nicely to independents, but that may not matter with the characters and alignments randomized (i.e. Chang isn't automatically a serial killer or something).

Either 9 vs. 3 or 8 vs. 2 allows two mislynches before a MyLo (assuming nightly kills of one civilian and not accounting for unknown indy variables). 9 vs. 2 allows 3 mislynches. For now I recommend a worst-case projection of 2 available mislyches. As such, POE work has to be quite expedient in this game to have a chance of working effectively. A pool of 4 or 5 is already necessary on Day 0, and that means the civilians need to make themselves visible. "Cards close to chest" and "exclusively roleplay in every post without regard for the hunt" are thus strategies which can lose the game on their own if employed irresponsibly -- that'll place people into POE pools by default.

Role abilities will likely matter at some point, but I refuse to wait for that. Everyone is vanilla. Find the bad guys, or find so many good guys that you don't need to.

You know what this reminds me of? That big role list I made in a World Asunder.

I was bad.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:32 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:14 amBig if true

How do you feel about anything in the thread up to me calling you a mafioso?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:39 pm MacDougall is a member of the mafia faction.

So is colonialbob.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:02 pm Sloonei, you may want to consider a slightly milder blue for your host color; it's a bit difficult to read on the gray skin. You're the boss though, boss.

How's this